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    XChateau Wine Podcast

    A podcast delivering wine perspectives ex-chateau. Insights, analysis, and perspectives on news and trends in the wine industry beyond winemaking, such as marketing, finance, and consumer trends. From noted wine blogger Robert Vernick (@wineterroir) and leading wine business consultant and author of Luxury Wine Marketing Peter Yeung (@winebizguy), this podcast navigates the business of wine with unique perspectives and insights.


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    Investing in Experiences w/ Aly Wente, Wente Vineyards Sep 28, 2022
    Show notes

    From weddings to concerts to a golf course, Wente Vineyards has a whole portfolio of experiences to share the Wente brand with consumers. Aly Wente, VP of Marketing & Customer Experiences, shares how Wente thinks about managing the portfolio of experiences and how they embed wine and the Wente brand into everything they do. From becoming more of a data company to refactoring their tasting rooms and driving people to the wine club, driving deeper connections with their customers is core to the ROI of experiences at Wente.


    Detailed Show Notes:

    Wente Experiences overview

    • Championship golf course designed by Greg Norman
    • Tasting room with food & wine experiences
    • Concerts, including a tribute band series
    • Rent space for weddings and corporate events

    Experiences are viewed as a connected portfolio

    • Everything should feel cohesive and true to the brand
    • Hospitality team overseas golf grill, tasting room, and booking events
    • Embody wine in every experience - concerts -> wine & music events; 5-star restaurant -> tasting lounge
    • Look at ROI across experiences to see which to invest more in with limited resources
    • Refactored tasting rooms, had two with different feels (one older, traditional, one more modern and food driven where the wine was more lost), into a single “tasting lounge” focused on wine with wine & food experiences

    Recently upgraded tech to become more of a data company

    • Use CRM to take notes on customers
    • Track demographics and target some events to specific groups

    Key metrics used for ROI

    • Customer surveys
    • Event ticket sales and difficulty in selling tickets
    • Social media engagement
    • Contextual ROI when at events
    • Wine sales at events - Wente makes money on wine, not ticket sales

    Better understanding customer journeys and how they impact:

    • New vs. existing customers
    • Repeat visitation
    • Club membership
    • LTV of customers
    • The primary goal of the tasting room and events is to engage customers and create relationships vs. being the most significant profit driver for the brand

    The team needs to be resourced to dig into the data and track it

    Weddings

    • Get a rental fee for property (high margin)
    • Require min # of cases of wine purchased, and most people buy more
    • Pre-2020 - did >60 weddings/year, full-service incl wedding planning and catering - was not the most profitable business
    • Today - leaner experience - rent out the property with resources for planning

    Primary priority - Flow into the wine club

    • The “pinnacle” of ROI for experiences
    • Club members often spend more than club shipments
    • Food & wine experiences convert the highest to the club - the more attention people get, the more likely they will join the club
    • ~6-8% of visitors become club members
    • Provide incentives for staff for club signups (~$30-50/signup + club prizes for top performers)
    • Now have a “club booth” at experiences with customer incentives (e.g., 30% off 1st shipment if they sign up at the event)

    Secondary priority - Getting everyone’s emails that attend events

    Believes digital experiences will always be around now

    • During the pandemic, Wente was 1st to have Amazon Alexa and Google Home virtual wine tastings, buying wine at the grocery store



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    Casting Long Shadows over Columbia Valley w/ Gilles Nicault, Longshadows Sep 21, 2022
    Show notes

    After spending two decades promoting the wines of Washington State, Allen Shoup founded Longshadows, a collective of partnerships leveraging internationally renowned winemaking talent to express the best of the Columbia Valley. Director of Winemaking, Gilles Nicault, describes how the partnerships work from both a business and winemaking perspective; what he’s learned from making wines with the likes of Michel Rolland to Randy Dunn; and how Washington State’s wine profile has been elevated from this concept.


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    Detailed Show Notes:

    Allen Shoup founded Longshadows

    • He was CEO of Ste Michelle Wine Estates (“SMWE”) for 20 years
    • His mentor was Robert Mondavi, who founded Opus One, a collaboration between the old and new world
    • At SMWE, Allen started collaborations with Eroica (Dr. Loosen) and Col Solari (Antinori)
    • Wanted to build partnerships for Longshadows - showcase the Columbia Valley, which is east of the Cascade Mountains and has very dry terroir (~6 inches of rain/year), enabling great diversity of grapes to be grown (Bordeaux, Rhone, Italian, Spanish varieties)
    • The name “Long Shadows” refers to renowned winemakers casting long shadows over the Columbia Valley

    Partnerships

    • Poet’s Leap, a Riesling w/ Armin Diel (Schollsgut Diel in Nahe, Germany)
    • Saggi, a Super Tuscan (Sangiovese, Cabernet Sauvignon, Syrah blend) w/ Ambrogio & Giovanni Folonari (Tuscany)
    • Pedestal, a Merlot w/ Michel Rolland (Pomerol)
    • Pirouette, a Bordeaux style blend w/ Agustin Huneeus, Sr and Phillipe Melka (Napa)
    • Feather, a Cabernet Sauvignon w/ Randy Dunn (Napa)
    • Sequel, a Syrah w/ John Duval (Barossa Valley, Australia)
    • Gilles crafts his own Cab / Syrah blend with 30 months in French oak

    All partnerships were established when Longshadows was founded in 2003 except Folonari, which came in 2004

    All are true partnerships - each partner owns 25% of their labels, which are separate companies. They are not consultants and are not paid any other fees

    Longshadows does the sales & marketing for the wines

    Working relationships w/ partners vary

    • John Duval can be there during harvest (Southern Hemisphere)
    • Partners did not give any recipes for wines but pitched in and developed styles together
    • Fruit sourced from across Columbia Valley and its 15 sub-AVAs through acreage contracts
    • Source both old vines and can work with growers to plant specific clones (e.g., German clones for Poet’s Leap Riesling vineyards)
    • Volume of wines set by Allen Shoup and Dane Narbaitz (current President and Allen’s son-in-law), choose quality over quantity
    • Wines that don’t make the main wines go into 2nd label Nine Hats

    Each winemaker is so different. Gilles learned there are many ways to make wines

    • E.g., Randy Dunn wants the jacks of the fruit in the wine, whereas Michel Rolland wants all of them out
    • Winemakers are interested in what each other does but do not work together
    • Each winemaker has their own allocation of vineyards and blocks for their wines

    Selling Longshadows

    • The wine club “Key Club” is a big part of sales
    • 2 tasting rooms - at the winery (Walla Walla) and in Woodinville (near Seattle)
    • Some distribution in the US and a few international markets

    Longshadows was honored to be selected 4x to be served at the White House

    The future - partners are getting older, and many are on the verge of retirement. Gilles to carry the flame forward with lessons he’s learned from them

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    Keeping a Family Business Family Owned w/ Aly Wente, Wente Vineyards Sep 14, 2022
    Show notes

    Family-owned businesses are notoriously hard to keep family-owned over multiple generations. Wente Vineyards in Livermore Valley, California, has managed to keep it going for 5 generations. Partially through having fewer children, but also through structures put in place to keep the family connected and business family-owned, Aly Wente, VP of Marketing & Customer Experience, describes how they’ve focused on connection and fun to keep the family business together for generations to come.


    Detailed Show Notes:

    Wente Vineyards was founded in 1833 by Aly’s Great Great Grandfather, CH Wente

    • Grandfather worked in Napa for Charles Krug
    • Livermore was similar to Napa in grape growing back then
    • Wente is ~800k cases in total
    • Brands include Wente Vineyards (~600-700k cases), Murrieta’s Well, Hayes Ranch, Angels Ink, and Ravel & Stitch
    • Has small lot wines only available in tasting rooms

    Each generation has left its legacy

    • 2nd generation - brought Chardonnay to California (1908, 1912) with the Wente Clone
    • 3rd generation - bought a property in Arroyo Seco and pioneered it as a region for grape growing
    • 4th generation - helped write the AVAs for Arroyo Seco, San Francisco Bay, and Livermore Valley; spearheaded experiences business, including concerts and golf course
    • 5th generation - still starting out but focused on sustainability, company culture, and innovation

    Family ownership has been intact through 5 generations

    • Partially due to the limited number of children
    • CH had 7 children, including 3 sons, only 2 interested in winery
    • Of 2 sons - Ernst & Herman (Gen 2), only 1 had children (1 - Carl)
    • Carl (Gen 3) had 3 kids (Gen 4)
    • Gen 4 has 6 kids (Gen 5)
    • Gen 6 will have many more people in the family

    Benefits of being family owned

    • Not subject to shareholders, the family has complete control
    • Multi-generational relationships w/ other family-owned businesses can be helpful (e.g., Southern Glazers is family owned)
    • Large corporations may not have built the golf course or fine dining restaurant

    Structures to pass on ownership to future generations

    • Annual “family council”
    • Prepares next generations for ownership and if they want to work in the company
    • Meet once a year
    • Topics include business topics to align on, educational topics (e.g., tax law), and even individual’s visions for the business
    • As more family works together, prioritizing more fun and bonding
    • Attendance starts as children, though not babies
    • Have policies in place for members who want to leave the company or sell shares, but no one has used them to date
    • The goal is to remain family owned

    Wente Vision changing

    • Old - to be one of the most respected family wineries in the world
    • Changing to be more about employees

    Family vs. external management

    • The current CEO is 2nd CEO to be non-family
    • External people can help balance family and business interests and inter-generational interests
    • Wente doesn’t create roles for family members
    • If a family member wants a role, they still interview others for it and choose the best candidate, though the family member has a slight advantage

    3 keys to maintaining and evolving a family-owned business

    • 1) transparency - bringing family members in at a young age
    • 2) respect - need to treat each other with respect
    • 3) fun - need to have fun while working in wine and with family



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    The Economics of Sustainability w/ Anna Brittain, Napa Green Sep 07, 2022
    Show notes

    As designer and Executive Director of sustainability non-profit Napa Green, Anna Brittain is passionate about taking action on the 7 pillars of sustainability. Spreading the word about how pursuing sustainability can save money is critical. Anna describes how she defines the 7 pillars of sustainability, what makes Napa Green unique, gives concrete examples of how wineries save money with sustainability, and the launch of the symposium Napa Thrives to accelerate the pace of action.


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    Detailed Show Notes:

    Definition of sustainability for agriculture has 6 pillars, now expanding to 7

    • 1. Water efficiency
    • 2. Energy efficiency
    • 3. Waste prevention and green purchasing
    • 4. Integrated pest management and biodiversity
    • 5. Social equity, diversity, and inclusion
    • 6. Climate action and regenerative agriculture
    • 7. Communications and engagement

    Napa Green

    • 1 of 4 programs nationwide that have sustainability certification for vineyards and wineries
    • Addresses all parts of sustainability vs. 1 issue (most programs are only environmental; e.g., organic only for vineyards and not using synthetic pesticides)
    • ~15 programs globally that address sustainability holistically
    • Boots on the ground for direct support achieve more action
    • 90 wineries, 15k acres in the program
    • Policy vs. boots on the ground give very different perspectives
    • Certification requires >120 standards for wineries and >100 for vineyards

    Economics of sustainability

    • Myth: sustainability will cost a lot of money -> it can actually help save money
    • Money-saving examples:
    • Variable frequency drives for energy efficiency, 1-3 year payback
    • Turn down the water heater temp when you don’t need it super hot - save thousands on water and energy bills
    • Chateau Montelena - used Tooley Technologies for real-time data on water needs on an underperforming vineyard, saved $0.5-1M in improving the vineyard w/in a few years; phased out wooden boxes for wine to branded cardboard, reducing shipments from 5 to 2 (less space and weight), cut materials cost 50%, cut emissions, reduced wine breakage
    • ~50% of members have solar, but people don’t notice when inverters go down and don’t fix it until they see a high electric bill, it could save tens of thousands through monitoring and maintenance
    • Cakebread - focused on reducing waste, bought Big Belly solar trash compactors reducing trash pickups, saved ~$30k in first 3 years
    • Areas of opportunity: vineyards - develop a custom carbon farm plan (e.g., cover crop, compost, biodiversity, etc.), lays out how much carbon can be stored; compost is a big bang for the buck for carbon and water storage and nutrients; winery - water usage, including energy to transport, heat, and treat water, new regulations around wastewater also need consideration
    • ~30-50% of emissions from packaging and distribution

    Best practice: think systematically, from vineyards to winery to getting wine to consumers; members often think of one-off projects vs. looking at the entire landscape

    Marketing sustainability

    • Hosts ambassador training to get people talking about it
    • Potentially $1-3/bottle premium for organic/sustainable wines
    • Wineries are often willing to pay a premium to buy sustainably grown grapes

    Napa Thrives - symposium w/ Martin Reyes MW

    • Goal is to accelerate the pace of sustainability and climate action

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    Ex-Pats, Tycoons, and Hand Carry - Hong Kong Wine w/ Polly Aylwin-Foster & Ian Ford, Nimbility Asia Aug 31, 2022
    Show notes

    Revolutionized by eliminating taxes on wine in 2008, Hong Kong has become a significant wine investment and trading hub for China and Asia in general. Polly Aylwin-Foster and Ian Ford of Nimbility Asia go deep into all aspects of the Hong Kong ("HK") wine market. From the HK wine consumer, the retail landscape, cross border transactions with China, the large "hand carry" market, and the British influence on the wine culture, they provide lots of essential data and detail for HK wine.


    Detailed Show Notes:

    2008 - all wine duties removed for anything <30% abv, making HK the preferred place to store and trade wine

    • Wine importers - 310 (2008) - 790 (2021)
    • Speciality wine shops - 140 (2008) - 470 (2021)

    HK wine consumers - 7M people

    • Expats - 500k - consumed wine at 5-star hotels, int’l restaurants
    • Indigenous people - wine consumption not part of daily culture
    • "Tycoons" - wealthy people, drive fine wine consumption, high value of wine purchased
    • Consumption mostly at restaurants and bars, big eating out culture
    • Pre-pandemic - 5-star hotels, int’l on trade, & large restaurant groups sold most of the wine
    • Culture of private kitchens, wine clubs, private room dining - for top wines

    HK's more mature wine market

    • Bordeaux historically, massive Burgundy growth, some iconic American wines
    • The influence of British wine culture over many decades created HK wine culture (e.g., trading houses, merchants)
    • Average fine wine consumer more advanced in HK than China (started in 60s vs 90s in China)

    HK retail landscape

    • Supermarkets drive bulk of sales (2 main players - Welcome, Park n Shop; Watsons wine owned by a supermarket) - sell big brands, sub-HK$ 100 (~$7-9/bottle)
    • Independent wine shops - importers' retail / private client arms, a few independents, British wine merchants, Enoteca (Japan) -fine wine
    • Online very small, <7%
    • Auctions influential - attract attention for brands, provides halo effect for in mainland China, mainland buyers participate
    • Pandemic - local airline encouraged uses miles on products, including wine, 1 importer sold $1M in wine via airline

    HK wine market

    • 4.3M 9L cases imported (2021), +10% from 2019, expected to grow 5-6%/year over the next few years
    • HKTDC figures - 26% officially re-exported (to China, Asia), 74% conveyed out by individuals, in storage, and local consumption

    The "hand carry" market

    • People are allowed to take 2 bottles/person into China w/o paying taxes (~50%)
    • At HK/Shenzen border - many people would take 2 bottles, drop them off on the other side and go back and take 2 more bottles repeatedly
    • Impossible to know the scale, but a significant amount of wine goes across the border this way
    • Wines then put into commercial distribution in China

    HK as a trading hub - initial idea of shipping to HK and re-exporting flawed

    • Add’l logistics costs make it more expensive
    • Taxes are paid on landed costs, including the add'l shipping costs
    • Need diff back labels for SE Asia and China (HK doesn't have requirements)

    Cross border e-comm into China (TMall, JD.com)

    • Chinese consumers buy offshore at favorable tax rates
    • Limitations per year and per transactions
    • Opens up the availability of products to consumers

    HK has a more Western media landscape

    • Douyin illegal (Chinese TikTok)
    • Does not have KOL (key opinion leader) industry like China
    • James Suckling invested a lot in HK, has a wine club, events
    • Int’l wine critics are critical - Jancis Robinson, Wine Spectator, Wine Advocate

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    Tradition and Evolution of the UK Wine Market w/ Katy Keating, Lay & Wheeler Aug 24, 2022
    Show notes

    Drinking wine since Roman times, the UK market for wine is both mature and competitive. Changes happen slowly, and old traditions remain as the market evolves. Katy Keating, Managing Director of Lay & Wheeler, one of the UK’s oldest wine merchants, gives a deep dive into the UK wine market. She explains the history of wine drinking, its impact on wine purchasing, the up-and-coming wine regions, and the fragmentation of the UK wine retail marketplace.


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    Detailed Show Notes:

    Lay & Wheeler (“L&W”)

    • Fine wine merchant, storage, and broker
    • Founded in 1854, after Berry Bros & Rudd (1698), Justerini & Brooks (1749), Corney & Barrow (1780)
    • Owned by Wheeler Family until 2009, when sold to Majestic
    • Never integrated into Majestic, it was a breakeven business doing ~£10-15M/year
    • Had access to the best wines in the world and a loyal, long-standing customer base
    • 2016 - started turnaround to put L&W back on the map
    • 2019 - L&W sold to a private family, expanded the team, and brought MWs to buying team
    • Mission - “Connect the right people with the right wines.”

    UK Wine Drinking

    • Very competitive and mature market - drinking wine since Roman times, customers know a lot about wine, buying is very relationship-driven
    • 2nd largest wine importer (20% from France, Italy)
    • 70% of households buy wine regularly
    • Beer & spirits are also big - pub culture
    • ~50% on-premise, ~50% off-premise
    • Commercial wines - ~75% by volume, grocery stores mostly
    • Fine wine - ~25% by volume, ~40% by value, UK is ~33% of £5B fine wine trade
    • UK drinker drinks wine more mature (the US drinking 2009s & 2010s, UK equivalent is 1990s, early 2000s)

    Wine storage is mostly in bonded warehouses

    Popular regions / varieties

    • Old world love - history with Bordeaux
    • Fine Wine - L&W is 40% Bordeaux and Burgundy
    • Appetite for Burgundy is “insatiable” - high pricing has driven renewed interest in Bordeaux and some intrigue with Oregon PN
    • South Africa has been growing last 5-6 years (L&W has seen a 50% CAGR over the previous 5 years)
    • Champagne growing
    • Fortified wines - Port is most relevant for traditional settings (including Christmas, which is significant in the UK); Sherry & Madeira are not as popular

    Organic/biodynamic not asked about by fine wine consumers

    UK trends

    • Wine for investment
    • UK wine production - growing overall pie for sparkling, not taking from Champagne (L&W is <0.5% the UK sparkling vs. 10% for Champagne)

    UK retail market - very fragmented

    • No 3-tier system, merchants can buy direct from producers and sell to consumers
    • Consumers need to go to 5-7 merchants to get everything b/c of exclusivity with producers (fine wine)
    • Exclusive relationships often occur when a merchant sells to private clients and restaurants
    • UK wine trading is standard; L&W gets ~25% of revenue from trading
    • En Primeur/Futures - a big part of L&W business for Bordeaux, Burgundy, & Italy
    • Low end - very competitive on price, grocery dominates
    • Online is slow to be adopted, and many still don’t have online ordering

    DTC from Europe

    • Historically, Brits drive to France and buy at the cellar door
    • In the UK, buying direct online is not a thing

    Brexit impact - more paperwork, more delays, hosting tastings and bringing in samples more difficult

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    Building roads for Wine in China w/ Ian Ford & Nichole Mao, Nimbility Asia Aug 17, 2022
    Show notes

    Navigating a very fragmented and dynamic Chinese wine market is challenging. Ian Ford, Founding Partner, and Nichole Mao, Partner of Nimbility Asia, help guide wineries to the right pathways for import partners and building demand in China. They also discuss how important domestic Chinese wine production is, the market for US wine in China, and the importance of wine education.


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    Detailed Show Notes:

    Wine buying is very fragmented

    • An importer can sell direct, with no middlemen
    • With few regulations, one can buy wine everywhere, e.g., supermarkets, distributor friends, wine bars
    • Online ordering important, ~10-20%, WeChat, Alibaba, Jing Dong

    "Go to retailers"

    • Sam's Club - known for wine sales to the mass market
    • Leading grocery stores - Jing Dong, Hema

    Promoting and selling in China

    • Chinese social media platforms have integrated e-commerce (e.g., WeChat vs. Whatsapp, Douyin vs. TikTok), so people can immediately click and buy
    • KOLs get commission or paid upfront to promote, lifestyle influencers are important
    • Traditional wine media stays w/in the wine trade and doesn't reach the mass market
    • Need good importer(s) for availability, no longer need to be exclusive
    • View importers as partners, 1,000s of active importers, e.g., DTC importers (Vine Hu, Wiki Wines), big guys (ASC, Summergate, Torres) have extensive sales teams, operate omnichannel
    • Wine trials are necessary - tastings at festivals, grocery stores, etc.
    • Word of mouth is increasing in importance - as large KOLs are now often paid, people relying on smaller KOLs in their network more

    Domestic production

    • Majority consumed in China, exports growing off a small base
    • Boutique wineries (50-100k bottles) - looking at more exports, most in Ningxia, the premium winegrowing region
    • Guochao movement ("national wave") - Chinese supporting domestic brands

    US wine in China

    • 9th largest by volume, 6th by value
    • Punitive tariffs hit imports, tariffs are more than tariffs, but a signal by the gov't not to buy the wines becomes a stigma
    • US wine doesn't have the legacy or prestige of Bordeaux, Burgundy, or Tuscany, but have the prices
    • Premium US producers are American centric not good at exports (Ridge being an exception)

    Import duties

    • Including import, consumption, and VAT duties and taxes
    • Three levels:
    • Free Trade - ~26% - Chile, NZ, Australia (previously); wines ~1x US price
    • Baseline - ~48.5% - France, Italy; wines ~1.5x US price
    • Punitive - US, Australia (now); wines ~2x US price
    • Australia went off a cliff since tariffs - France benefitted the most, then New Zealand and South Africa

    Wine Education important for growth

    • China's #2 largest student registration for WSET
    • WSET had to stop in 2021 due to a corporate registration issue - almost back up and running


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    De-mystifying Wine in China w/ Ian Ford & Nichole Mao, Nimbility Asia Aug 10, 2022
    Show notes

    As one of the biggest alcohol markets in the world, China is slowly waking up to wine. Ian Ford, Founding Partner, and Nichole Mao, Partner of Nimbility Asia, walk through how the Chinese wine market has changed, what has led to success, and the current wine trends in the country. With significant growth potential, the Chinese market is a critical global wine market to grasp and understand.


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    Detailed Show Notes:

    Nimbility Asia

    • It doesn’t transact wines; not an importer
    • Acts like an export team for producers
    • Creates GTM strategy and aligns w/ the right partners
    • Creates research reports for data-driven decision making
    • Serves China (biggest market), S Korea (#2), Indonesia, India, Australia
    • Japan & China ~75% of wine shipments into Asia

    Chinese wine consumer

    • Still very early stages for wine, not a daily drink for most people
    • 2019 - 1.3 L wine/capita/year vs 51.9L for Portugal, 12.2L for US
    • ~0.2L wine/capita/year 10-20 years ago - wine was for gifting, banqueting, and hosting, not home consumption
    • Coastal cities (including Beijing & Shanghai) have young consumers that go to wine bars, bistros, drink at home
    • The growing trend of home consumption, helped by e-commerce, gifting still exists

    Chinese alcohol market

    • big, dynamic alcohol market - strong food & drink culture, no religious objections, very social culture
    • The largest beer market in the world, dominated by domestic production
    • Beer is a daily consumption item
    • Craft beer is stunted by regulations requiring a large minimum volume
    • Some craft beers (e.g., Boxing Cat, Great Leap) started as brewpubs

    China wine market

    • 50-60M 9L cases imported, expected to double in next 10-15 years
    • ~100-120M 9L cases of domestic wine, hard to measure
    • Big domestic producers - Great Wall, Changyu, Dynasty
    • Emerging quality producers - Silver Heights, Grace Vineyard

    Success in China

    • Consumer awareness creates customer pull (e.g., Casillero del Diablo, Penfolds)
    • Cluttered marketing environment
    • Unique digital landscape (no Instagram, Facebook, Twitter)
    • Penfolds Example (pre-tariffs) - Grange provides halo, central to the story (good formula for success), profit driver is 300k cases of Bin 407 & 389 at ~$400-450/9L case, also sold ~800-1,000 cases of Rawson’s Retreat entry-level wine
    • Lafite Example - Los Vascos (Chile) has higher demand due to Lafite affiliation
    • Sommeliers and lifestyle KOLs (key opinion leaders) can help
    • Social media amplification is massive

    Popular regions / wines styles

    • Mass market - more price and style driven, like fruity, easy drinking style around ~100 RMB/bottle (~$15); Chile doing well; Cabernet and Shiraz are recognized varieties
    • Fine Wine - Burgundy has been the “hot bun” the last two years - pricing rising dramatically, can’t get enough; also helping NZ Pinot Noir
    • Very diverse market (e.g., natural wine bars in Chengdu)
    • Premium sparkling rising (e.g., Champagne, aged Cava)
    • More adventurous wine consumers (e.g., blind tasting clubs that compete with each other)
    • Rosé is a very small, but growing category
    • Fortified, sweet wines are tiny
    • Sustainable/organic help and are important for the future, but not big today

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    The Wine Monopoly w/ Trond Erling Pettersen, Vinmonopolet Aug 04, 2022
    Show notes

    Celebrating its 100th year in 2022, Vinmonopolet, the retail wine monopoly of Norway, is tasked with reducing overconsumption of alcohol while enabling a growing food and beverage culture in Norway. With over 32,000 selections, covering 95% of the population, and educating customers with podcasts and other programs, Trond Erling Pettersen, category manager, describes how the monopoly serves all segments of its customers and operates in a fair, transparent manner.


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    Detailed Show Notes:

    Vinmonopolet = “wine monopoly”

    • ~95% of the population lives w/in 30 min drive of a retail store
    • 340 shops
    • >32,000 different products, >20,000 wines
    • Basic range - ~1,000 wines, always on display in stores
    • Ordering range - importers can stock anything, can be ordered from monopoly website or app, and have wines delivered or available for pickup
    • Stores can select ~25% of shelf space from the ordering range
    • 2021 - 118M liters of alcohol sold, 96M liters of wine (10.6M 9L cases) worth KR27B (~$2.7B) - taxes and profits go back to the government

    Monopoly’s purpose

    • Established due to overdrinking at the turn of the 20th century - it was a source of poverty, hunger, and social issues
    • Founded in 1922 - 100th birthday in Nov 2022
    • 1919 - ban on spirits
    • 1922 - created monopoly to have the responsible sale of alcohol

    Restaurants and bars

    • Buy directly from importers and producers, do not go through monopoly
    • Some trends start in restaurants, then customers go to the monopoly to buy
    • Restaurants have higher-end wines and often cellar wines

    Wine sourcing

    • >600 importers supply monopoly, needs to go through a supplier, no direct purchasing allowed
    • Ordering range - free access to market, suppliers that list whatever they want
    • Special selection - high-end, allocated wines purchased for monopoly
    • Basic range:
    • It starts by looking at sales figures, trends, customer demands, and holes in the range
    • Conduct research by meeting with producers and importers
    • Develop a tender plan (tenders 2x/year) to outline what to purchase for the next year with very detailed specifications (e.g., max price, packaging, region, etc.)
    • Get samples and conduct a blind tasting panel which is scored
    • Launched in stores with guaranteed placement for one year
    • Wines then compete based on sales volume
    • An extensive and fair process

    Pricing - uses a standard formula

    • Average wine - ~50% taxes, ~10-15% monopoly margin, ~35-40% supplier share
    • Monopoly provides calculators for suppliers to set pricing
    • Pricing transparency on the website

    Secondary market

    • Started auctions ~10 years ago for people to trade wines
    • Monopoly has people that value and inspect wines
    • Set % fee for monopoly margin (lower than US auction houses)
    • Partnered with an auction house


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    The Norwegian Wine Consumer w/ Trond Erling Pettersen, Vinmonopolet Jul 27, 2022
    Show notes

    While traditionally a beer and spirits market, wine has now risen to equal footing in Norway. As a category manager for Vinmonopolet, the retail wine monopoly of Norway, Trond Erling Pettersen describes the wine culture in Norway, the four categories of wine consumers, and the major trends for wine consumption.


    Detailed Show Notes:

    Wine in Norway

    • Wine is now equal to beer and spirits, traditionally was more beer & spirits
    • Norwegians into food and wine pairing, don’t have the traditions of Continental Europe
    • Higher taxes on alcohol reduce consumption, but it doesn’t impact wine; taxes are set by abv, so spirits are taxed higher than wine which is higher than beer - pushing consumers to lower alcohol drinks
    • Alcohol advertising is banned
    • Consumption is lower than in other Scandinavian countries - Denmark (which does not have a monopoly) - 10L alcohol/person/year, Finland ~9L, Sweden ~7L, Norway ~6L
    • Big seasonal impacts - more spirits and big reds in winter, whites and rose in summer, but changing with more sparkling and rose year round
    • Norwegians don’t have a strong restaurant culture, so most wine is bought from monopoly and consumed at home

    The monopoly sells 96M liters of wine (10.6M 9L cases) - 53M liters red, 27M liters white, 8M liters sparkling, 5M liters rose

    • No other retailers of wine, not allowed to buy wine at a restaurant and take it home

    Four main customer groups

    • “Open Minded” - the largest group has a price limit but is willing to spend (KR150-200, ~$15-20), likes to try something new - often recommended by monopoly staff or a journalist
    • “Assured Customer” - know what they want, educated in wine, clear preferences
    • “Price Focused” - ~20% of customers; lower priced wines, convenience is essential
    • “Collectors” - ~10% of customers, very educated in wine and food, willing to pay for quality
    • Higher end segment is growing
    • Pandemic got more people into wine
    • The average price is rising for all segments

    Organic, biodynamic, and fair trade are important to some customers

    Lightweight bottles, bag-in-box preferred by customers for environmental impact and practical use for bringing to summer cabins and on boats

    Bag-in-box popular last 15-20 years, now top categories supply it (e.g. - Chablis, Sancerre, Piedmont Nebbiolo); up to KR500-600/ 3L box ($50-60)

    Journalists have a large impact on sales

    • Bodega Weinert (Argentina) said 30% of sales are to Norway, and wine reviews drive sales
    • Journalists are important because of no advertising
    • Collectors may follow international wine journalists, but the majority follow national or local newspaper wine writers
    • Local journalists use dice as a rating scale (1-6) vs. 100 point system
    • Monopoly has >32k products to select from, so journalists help with recommendations
    • Monopoly’s podcast educates on drinks and food, regions and grapes, and answers consumers’ questions (e.g., glassware), but doesn’t mention specific producers or products

    Norwegian wine trends - 7 main ones

    • 1) Known and Dear - the classics on the rise
    • 2) Expanding Wine World - emerging wine regions (e.g., UK, Canada, Scandinavia, cool climate regions, etc.)
    • 3) Alternative Packaging - bag-in-box (can be 50-60% of sales for some categories)
    • 4-6) Green and sustainable, authentic/handcrafted, organic/natural, vegan/no sugar/lower alcohol (the no-low alcohol wine trend is also in Norway)
    • 7) Young, Urban Consumer - into natural wines, skin contact whites, juicy red wines, more social eating and drinking, want genuine, handcrafted products (e.g., pet nats)

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