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    We Saw the Devil: A True Crime Podcast

    Day-by-day courtroom coverage of the cases everybody’s arguing about, done with the filings in front of me. Not vibes. Not a theory somebody’s cousin saw on TikTok. The actual record: what the witness said, what the document says, which expert has never treated the condition they were hired to testify about. Murder, medical neglect, prosecutorial games, and the cases nobody bothers covering because the victim wasn’t the right kind of victim.

    Then the part most true crime skips. Who let it happen. Which agency looked away, which law made it possible, which doctor never returned the call, which department was too underfunded to answer the phone. Every case sits inside a system, and the system is usually the whole story. That’s where the politics shows up, and it shows up because the facts drag it in, not because I went looking for a soapbox.

    Hosted by Robin Coleman. Sourced, furious, filthy, and allergic to pretending cruelty is just another perspective. Y’all, this is not a polite little show for people who want everything softened, centered, and served with a bipartisan garnish.

    No spin. No filter. Just facts. We don’t do fair. We do factual.

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    Lindsay Clancy Trial (Days 14-16): The Unforeseen Circumstance Aug 20, 2026
    Show notes

    The Lindsay Clancy trial stopped today and nobody will say why. Judge William Sullivan sent the jury home mid-afternoon citing an "unforeseen circumstance," told them not to speculate about it, and offered no further explanation. There was also an unexplained delay starting the morning. Two stoppages in one day, and no outlet has reported the cause.
    This episode covers three days of testimony in Plymouth Superior Court: Days 14, 15, and 16 of the trial of Lindsay Clancy, the Duxbury, Massachusetts labor and delivery nurse charged with first-degree murder in the deaths of her three children, Cora, Dawson, and Callan.
    Monday, the prosecution rested after 72 witnesses over 13 days. Tuesday, the defense brought its medical case. And today, forensic psychologist Dr. Paul Zeizel delivered the sentence Kevin Reddington has been building toward for four weeks: that Lindsay Clancy had a mental disease, was unable to conform her behavior to the rule of law, and had no appreciation for the wrongfulness of her act. That is the Massachusetts standard for not criminally responsible, recited almost word for word.
    Also covered: the Andrea Yates testimony nobody is reporting on, the prosecution asking a grandmother whether she knew murder is a mortal sin, a defense witness found on TikTok by a private investigator, McLean Hospital's staffing records entering evidence, and the suicide hotline that Lindsay Clancy called twice in December.
    Plus a full Reality Check on Patrick Clancy. He is not a suspect and never has been, but the trial record contains a different indictment.
    SOURCES
    All reporting in this episode is drawn from primary trial coverage and courtroom livestreams:

    • CBS Boston (WBZ), daily trial coverage and livestream
    • ABC News and ABC7
    • Boston 25 News live updates
    • NBC Boston
    • The Boston Globe
    • Newsweek

    RESOURCES
    If you are pregnant or postpartum and struggling, postpartum psychosis is a medical emergency and it is treatable.
    • 988 Suicide and Crisis Lifeline: call or text 988, 24 hours a day
    • Postpartum Support International HelpLine: 1-800-944-4773 (call or text)

    Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/we-saw-the-devil-a-true-crime-podcast--4433638/support.
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    Eugene Horsch: The Philadelphia House of Horrors (Current Case) Aug 17, 2026
    Show notes

    Karen Riley paid a psychic to find her daughter. Not because she believed in psychics. Because after fourteen years, the psychic was the only one who would pick up the phone.
    Gabrielle Amarando disappeared from Philadelphia in September 2012. She was 22. Amy McHale vanished in 2016 after leaving a voicemail saying she was fine. Maribel Fresses in 2018. Blair Tonzelli in 2023.
    Four women, eleven years, one address in Olney, and not one of them got a task force.
    Here's what finally moved the Philadelphia Police Department: on June 19, 2026, a park ranger noticed a BMW parked where it shouldn't be.
    This episode is what was inside that car, what came out of that house, and the fifty-year career of the published pornographer who spent his life making sure nobody could ever tell what was real. That last part isn't background. It may be the reason nobody is ever convicted.
    Eugene Horsch is charged with guns and fake federal credentials. He has not been charged in connection with any missing woman. We explain why that gap matters more than anyone covering this case wants to admit.
    TIMELINE
    Sept 2012 — Gabrielle Amarando, 22, reported missing. Her mother's last contact is a Christmas Day call from a Philadelphia prison.
    June 2016 — Amy McHale leaves her daughter a voicemail saying she is at Ray Horsch's house and is okay. It's the last anyone hears from her.
    Feb 2018 — Maribel "Bella" Fresses, 27, reported missing after her father goes to Kensington to check on her.
    2023 — Blair Tonzelli, 35, disappears from Kensington. Last seen at the Olney house, where she had worked as a home health aide for Raymond Horsch.
    May 2025 — Raymond "R.C." Horsch dies of a lung condition at 82.
    Nov 2025 — Eugene Horsch convicted of possession with intent to distribute.
    June 19, 2026 — Park ranger stops a BMW on the 600 block of Market Street. Eugene Horsch arrested.
    June 25, 2026 — Search of 417 West Chew Avenue begins. It lasts days.
    June 30, 2026 — Horsch held in federal custody after initial appearance.
    July 9, 2026 — Federal grand jury indicts on firearms and false credentials.
    July 22, 2026 — Police, FBI, and the Water Department excavate the sewer line and front yard. Nothing substantial recovered.
    Aug 6, 2026 — Philadelphia withdraws all five state charges. Federal case proceeds.
    Aug 12, 2026 — Police announce footage on one hard drive appears to show Gabrielle Amarando and Maribel Fresses dead inside the house.
    Sept 8, 2026 — Federal trial date. Guns and badges only.
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    The Lindsay Clancy Trial, Day 13: Eight Minutes of Wikipedia and a Bag of Pills in the Trunk Aug 15, 2026
    Show notes

    On Thursday, August 13th, the Commonwealth of Massachusetts spent a morning of a triple murder trial walking a jury through a country music deep dive. Then Kevin Reddington got up and took about six questions to blow it up.
    Day 13 of the Lindsay Clancy trial in Plymouth Superior Court. Three witnesses: State Police Sgt. Kyle Pavao on the tablet, Sgt. Timothy Chiappini on the cellphone, and lead investigator Trooper Joshua McKelligan. Eight minutes of browser history from August 2022. Journal entries and affirmations read into the record. A note last modified the day before her children died. A bag of medication that went to the defense attorney instead of the State Police. And a prosecutor asking a judge for the visitor logs of a priest.
    We also do the thing half the internet is screaming about, which is who did the Googling. Carefully, on the record, with the transcript. Two separate device examinations are getting spliced together online into one theory, and the real answer is worse than the conspiracy.
    Plus: what postpartum psychosis actually does, why it isn't a standalone diagnosis in the DSM, the December appointment where a nurse practitioner said the words "underlying bipolar disorder" out loud, and a TikTok that tried to walk into a courtroom and got told this is not Tripadvisor.
    Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/we-saw-the-devil-a-true-crime-podcast--4433638/support.
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    The TikTok Jury, the Clancy Trial, and the Business of Being Sure Aug 14, 2026
    Show notes

    Did Patrick Clancy kill his children? No. And the Lindsay Clancy trial record says so, including in her own defense attorney's opening statement.
    Millions of people on TikTok and Instagram have convinced themselves that Patrick Clancy strangled Cora, Dawson, and Callan Clancy in Duxbury, Massachusetts, and framed his wife for it. This episode goes through that theory claim by claim against the actual trial evidence: the surveillance footage, the CVS and ThreeV timeline, the 911 call, the medical records, and the sworn testimony.
    Robin covers what Kevin Reddington really said in his opening statement, the "he changed his shoes" theory, what the twelve unaccounted minutes before CVS do and do not prove, who actually sent Patrick out for the takeout order that night, and why Patrick Clancy's remarriage happened three years and three months after the killings, not three months.
    She also covers the part almost nobody is clipping: Lindsay Clancy's MyChart messages to her psychiatric nurse practitioner in the weeks before her children died, and what happened when she reported intrusive thoughts she had never had before.
    Facts, filings, and transcripts. No conspiracy theories.
    Questions discussed in this episode:

    • Did Patrick Clancy kill his children?
    • Did Lindsay Clancy's lawyer admit she killed her kids?
    • Did Patrick Clancy change his shoes between CVS and ThreeV?
    • What are the twelve missing minutes in the Patrick Clancy timeline?
    • Did Patrick Clancy send an email from home at 5:24?
    • When did Patrick Clancy remarry, and who is Rachel Danis?
    • Is Kevin Reddington secretly building a case against Patrick Clancy?
    • Why did a judge say "this is not Tripadvisor" during the Lindsay Clancy trial?

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    Lindsay Clancy Trial, Day 11: "This Is Not Tripadvisor" Aug 12, 2026
    Show notes

    On December 20th, 2022, a doctor at Women and Infants Hospital in Providence looked at Lindsay Clancy's medication list and decided she was too medicated to safely enter their postpartum program. That doctor picked up a phone and called the nurse practitioner prescribing them. Nobody answered. Nobody called back.
    Thirty-five days later her three children were dead.
    Today that nurse practitioner testified, and Kevin Reddington read her the note.
    Day 11 in Plymouth Superior Court, on what happened to be Lindsay Clancy's 36th birthday. Julie Paul retook the stand and got a one-minute cross that was more devastating than any of the grillings that came before it. Rebecca Jollotta, the psychiatric nurse practitioner who inherited Clancy's care in November 2022, spent nearly the entire day answering for a treatment record she only ever saw a fraction of. And before the jury walked in, Judge William Sullivan heard argument on whether a former McLean Hospital social worker who posted about the trial on TikTok can testify about holiday staffing on a psychiatric unit.
    I go through the MyChart messages Clancy sent her provider in December, in her own words, in real time. I go through the bipolar question and the 5K that nobody knew about. And I get into the detail nobody else is covering: Jollotta could not get her patient's psychiatrist notes, could not get the McLean records, and did not know about fourteen psychiatric appointments, but she could pull every controlled substance Clancy had ever been dispensed in Massachusetts in about ninety seconds. We built one interoperable health database in this country. We built the one that watches you.
    Also in here: why blaming HIPAA for this is a myth, with the actual regulation cited. Why there are five inpatient perinatal psychiatric programs in the entire United States and forty-five states have none. And why every provider on that witness stand is also a defendant in a civil suit over the same care.
    ***This episode is not edited
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    The Lindsay Clancy Trial, Day 10 Recap: The Comma That Could Decide This Case Aug 11, 2026
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    Lindsay Clancy trial Day 10 recap. Her psychiatrist, Dr. Jennifer Tufts, testified for five hours and revealed she treated Clancy fourteen times over five months without ever meeting her in person, never pulled her psychiatric hospital records, and never knew about two crisis line calls. Then the entire trial turned on an argument about a comma.
    Robin breaks down every witness, what the Commonwealth is actually required to prove under Massachusetts law, why the jury is not entertaining any theory about Patrick Clancy, and a verdict prediction based on where the evidence stands after Day 10.
    Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/we-saw-the-devil-a-true-crime-podcast--4433638/support.
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    The Lindsay Clancy Trial Week 2: "Without Psychotic Features" (Part 2) Aug 08, 2026
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    Part 2 of Week 2. Twenty seven internet theories about Patrick Clancy, taken apart against the trial record, and the real critique of him that's been sitting in the transcript the whole time.
    Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/we-saw-the-devil-a-true-crime-podcast--4433638/support.
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    The Lindsay Clancy Trial Week 2: "Without Psychotic Features" (Part 1) Aug 08, 2026
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    A McLean psychiatrist admitted she has never treated a case of postpartum psychosis. Week 2 of the Lindsay Clancy trial, day by day: the journals, the stipulation, the missing fingerprints, the autopsy, and the doctors. Part 1 of 2.
    Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/we-saw-the-devil-a-true-crime-podcast--4433638/support.
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    Abdul El-Sayed Won the Michigan Primary. I Think He Loses in November. Aug 07, 2026
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    AIPAC and its affiliates spent more than thirty million dollars trying to stop Abdul El-Sayed in Michigan, the largest single-race investment in that organization's history. Total outside spending cleared sixty million. He won by fourteen thousand eight hundred ninety-three votes. Thirty million dollars bought a coin flip. So the left won. This episode is about why it probably loses anyway in November.
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    Thirteen Prescriptions: The Lindsay Clancy Trial Aug 04, 2026
    Show notes

    Lindsay Clancy killed her three children. Nobody's arguing that.
    What the state of Massachusetts wants you to skip past is the part where an entire medical apparatus watched a woman disintegrate in real time, handed her a fistful of scripts, cycled her on and off drugs like a science fair project, and then clutched its pearls when the worst thing imaginable happened in a house in Duxbury.
    This week I'm walking through the Clancy case as her trial finally gets going in Plymouth County. Postpartum psychosis, the kind that's rare enough for every provider to treat like someone else's problem. A stack of prescriptions and a psychiatric system that failed her at every single door she walked through, including the one she checked herself into. And a prosecution that would rather cage a paralyzed woman than say out loud that the failure was systemic and it was theirs.
    This is not a redemption arc and I'm not going to send you off feeling better about any of it.
    Content note: This episode discusses the deaths of children, postpartum psychosis, and suicide. Postpartum mental illness is treatable and the vast majority of people who experience it never harm anyone. If you're struggling, the 988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline (call or text 988) and Postpartum Support International (1-800-944-4773) are there.
    Keywords: Lindsay Clancy, Lindsay Clancy trial, Lindsay Clancy case, Clancy trial, postpartum psychosis, postpartum depression, Duxbury, Plymouth County, maternal mental health, PMADs, perinatal mood disorders, overmedication, insanity defense, lack of criminal responsibility, Patrick Clancy, Kevin Reddington, psychiatric system, true crime, true crime podcast, political commentary, crimes of the powerful, We Saw the Devil, WSTD
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