Two Point Conversion with BYU Football: A Gospel Discussion Podcast

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Genesis 5; Moses 6 with Ryan Rehkow Jan 26, 2026

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Join hosts Connor Pay and special guest co-host Trevor Pay as they sit down with former BYU punter and current Cincinnati Bengals player Ryan Rehkow. In this episode, the crew dives deep into Moses Chapter 6 and the story of the prophet Enoch—a man who felt completely unqualified for his calling. Sound familiar? Ryan shares his wild journey from an undrafted free agent workout to becoming an NFL punter, including moments of crippling self-doubt during his second season. Connor opens up about transitioning from NFL dreams to coaching and nonprofit work, while Trevor reflects on returning from his mission completely out of shape and questioning if he belonged. The trio also discusses how to move forward when you feel inadequate, what it means to "walk with God" in everyday life, and finding confidence not in ourselves, but in our divine identity.

Genesis 3-4; Moses 4-5 with Connor and Chase Jan 19, 2026

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Former BYU football players Connor Pay and Chase Roberts return for a new season of Two Point Conversion, this year exploring the Old Testament. In this episode, the duo reconnects after a few weeks away, catching up on major life changes: Chase is now training in California for the NFL Combine (complete with his new post-BYU beard), while Connor continues coaching at BYU. Despite being remote, they dive deep into Genesis 3-4 and Moses 4-5, discussing the Fall of Adam and Eve and what it teaches us about divine identity, opposition, and growth.

New Episodes Coming Soon! Jan 08, 2026

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Two Point Conversion is coming back soon. Host Connor Pay explains why an episode hasn't been released and when the next one is expected to be released.

Christmas with Sheri Dew Dec 22, 2025

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Connor Pay and Chase Roberts welcome Sheri Dew, author and executive VP of Deseret Management Corporation. In this heartfelt conversation, Sheri shares her journey from a Kansas farm to leading major media organizations and writing biographies of prophets. The discussion dives deep into faith, resilience, and the lessons learned from both football and spiritual leadership. The trio reflects on the power of tradition, the meaning of Christmas, and the enduring hope found in Jesus Christ.

The Family Proclamation with Gail Pay Dec 15, 2025

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In this episode of Two Point Conversion, hosts Connor Pay and Chase Roberts are joined by a very special guest—Connor’s grandmother, Gail Pay—for a deep and personal discussion about family, faith, and the importance of the Family Proclamation. Gail shares her life story, family history, and the powerful experiences that have shaped her testimony. Together, the trio explores the significance of family, children, the eternal nature of relationships, and the challenges and blessings that come with living gospel principles in today’s world.

The Articles of Faith and Official Declarations with Terrance Motley Dec 08, 2025

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Hosts Connor Pay and Chase Roberts welcome special guest Terrance Motley, BYU’s Director of Rehabilitation. The trio kicks things off with a look behind the scenes of BYU football, discussing preparation for the conference championship. Terrance shares his journey from Albuquerque to BYU, his experiences as a walk-on athlete, and his transition from strength coach to physical therapist. The discussion then dives deep into faith and doctrine, exploring the Articles of Faith, the history and context of polygamy, and the significance of Official Declarations 1 and 2 in Latter-day Saint history. Terrance offers a personal perspective on the priesthood ban and its reversal, emphasizing the importance of core beliefs, living prophets, and the power of the Atonement.

D&C 137-138 with Mark Ogletree Dec 01, 2025

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Join hosts Connor Pay and Chase Roberts as they welcome back BYU Religion Professor Mark Ogletree. Together, they dive deep into the Doctrine and Covenants, exploring Sections 137 and 138, and discuss the powerful doctrines of salvation, revelation, and God’s mercy. The conversation weaves football insights and heartfelt testimonies into a discussion on visions of those who have died. The trio elaborates on their own spiritual journeys and the comfort these revelations bring to families.

D&C 135-136 with Logan Lutui Nov 24, 2025

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Hosts Connor Pay and Chase Roberts welcome special guest Logan Lutui, BYU defensive end, to share his inspiring journey from Weber State to BYU. The trio reflects on the team’s recent victory over TCU, the importance of resilience, and the power of positive leadership from Coach Kalani Sitake. Logan opens up about balancing family, faith, and football, and how unexpected turns led him to a pivotal role on the team. The conversation also dives deep into spiritual themes, including a heartfelt discussion of Doctrine and Covenants Section 135, the legacy of Joseph and Hyrum Smith, and the enduring impact of faith during times of adversity.

D&C 133-134 with Chase and Connor Nov 17, 2025

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In this episode of Two Point Conversion, hosts Connor Pay and Chase Roberts go solo, delving into lessons learned from a tough loss, the importance of focusing on standards over outcomes, and how preparation impacts both football and life. They reflect on spiritual insights from Doctrine & Covenants sections 133 and 134, discussing themes of preparation, repentance, building Zion, and balancing faith with civic responsibility. Plus, they get some honest answers from ChatGPT on how they embody the principles in section 133.

D&C 129-132 with Steven Lund Nov 10, 2025

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Join hosts Connor Pay and Chase Roberts, along with their guest Steven Lund, the recently released Young Men's General President. Steven shares his journey from law to business, his experiences in church leadership, and the lessons learned along the way. The conversation delves into spiritual insights, including the importance of diligence and sacrifice (on and off the field), and taking prayer seriously. Tune in for a blend of sports, faith, and real-life lessons—plus a few fun football analogies you won’t want to miss!

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