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    Trinity Forum Conversations

    Trinity Forum Conversations is a podcast exploring the big questions in life by looking to the best of the Christian intellectual tradition and elevating the voices, both ancient and modern, who grapple with these questions and direct our hearts to the Author of the answers. We invite you to join us in one of the great joys of life: a conversation among friends on the things that matter most.

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    The Challenge of Christian Nationalism with Mark Noll and Vincent Bacote Aug 22, 2023
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    The Challenge of Christian Nationalism with Mark Noll and Vincent Bacote

    As the lines between faith, politics, and patriotism have become, in some quarters, increasingly blurred, it is increasingly important to understand the origin, ideas, and consequences of Christian Nationalism — what it means, why it matters, and how best to respond.

    “Responsible Christian patriots try to show how Christianity can be a service to the nation; extreme nationalists make Christianity a servant of the nation.” - Mark Noll

    “If you think about the cross: patriotism, rightly construed from a Christian point of view, will put the flag at the foot of the cross. Christian nationalism wants to drape the [flag] over them. So is God serving your country, the sponsor of your country, or are you, as a Christian, operating wherever you are and having loyalty, but not your primary loyalty to your country over God?” - Vincent Bacote

    We hope you find this conversation insightful and helpful as you consider the state of our culture and shared political life, and your role in reviving responsible Christian patriotism.

    This podcast is an edited version of an Online Conversation recorded in June of 2021. You can access the full conversation with transcript here. Learn more about Mark Noll and Vincent Bacote.


    Authors and books mentioned in the conversation:

    The Scandal of the Evangelical Mind by Mark Noll

    God and Race in American Politics: A Short History, by Mark Noll

    The Civil War as Theological Crisis, by Mark Noll

    In the Beginning Was the Word: The Bible in American Public Life, by Mark Noll

    The Political Disciple, A Theology of Public Life, by Vincent Bacote

    Reckoning with Race and Performing the Good News, by Vincent Bacote

    The Spirit in Public Theology: Appropriating the legacy of Abraham Kuyper, by Vincent Bacote


    Related Trinity Forum Readings:

    A Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass

    City of God by St. Augustine of Hippo

    Children of Light and Children of Darkness by Reinhold Niebuhr

    Letter from a Birmingham Jail by Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.


    Related Conversations:
    Rebuilding our Common Life with Yuval Levin
    The Challenge of Christian Nationalism with Mark Noll and Vincent Bacote
    The Decadent Society with Ross Douthat
    Science, Faith, Trust and Truth with Francis Collins
    Beyond Ideology with Peter Kreeft and Eugene Rivers
    Justice, Mercy, and Overcoming Racial Division with Claude Alexander and Mac Pier
    Healing a Divided Culture with Arthur Brooks
    After Babel with Andy Crouch and Johnathan Haidt
    Trust, Truth, and The Knowledge Crisis with Bonnie Kristian
    Hope in an Age of Anxiety with Curtis Chang & Curt Thompson


    To listen to this or any of our episodes in full, visit ttf.org/podcast and to join the Trinity Forum Society and help make content like this possible, join the Trinity Forum Society


    Special thanks to Ned Bustard for our podcast artwork.


    Rebuilding our Common Life with Yuval Levin Aug 08, 2023
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    Rebuilding our Common life with Yuval Levin

    One of the greatest problems in our civic life is that our institutions are weak. And they're weak not merely because they are distrusted by outsiders, but because their leaders fail to take their institution-building responsibilities seriously. Rather than submitting to the responsibilities and constraints that any functioning institution imposes, those leaders have come to use the institution as a personal platform to gain attention and express themselves.


    On our podcast, Yuval Levin explains how institutions have historically served to connect, mediate, and structure much of our social interaction, but as they’ve been hollowed out from within, they’ve lost their sense of authority and are no longer able to serve a morally formative purpose:

    “A lot of people are using institutions as platforms to express themselves in the culture war, rather than as molds that might form us into better men and women. And that contributes enormously to that loss of confidence and also to the broader social crisis that we're all living with.” - Yuval Levin

    We hope this conversation inspires you to look afresh at the institutions you lead or of which you are a part, and ask, “what is my responsibility here?” Please share it with a friend and other institution builders you know.

    This podcast is an edited version of an Online Conversation with Yuval recorded in November of 2020. You can access the full conversation with transcript here. Learn more about Yuval Levin.


    Authors and books mentioned in the conversation:

    A Time to Build: From Family and Community to Congress and the Campus, How Recommitting to Our Institutions Can Revive the American Dream, by Yuval Levin

    Rabbi Johnathan Sacks


    Related Conversations:
    Rebuilding our Common Life with Yuval Levin
    The Challenge of Christian Nationalism with Mark Noll and Vincent Bacote
    The Decadent Society with Ross Douthat
    Science, Faith, Trust and Truth with Francis Collins
    Beyond Ideology with Peter Kreeft and Eugene Rivers
    Justice, Mercy, and Overcoming Racial Division with Claude Alexander and Mac Pier
    Healing a Divided Culture with Arthur Brooks
    After Babel with Andy Crouch and Johnathan Haidt
    Trust, Truth, and The Knowledge Crisis with Bonnie Kristian
    Hope in an Age of Anxiety with Curtis Chang & Curt Thompson


    To listen to this or any of our episodes in full, visit ttf.org/podcast and to join the Trinity Forum Society and help make content like this possible, join the Trinity Forum Society


    Special thanks to Ned Bustard for our podcast artwork.


    All the Lonely People with Ryan Streeter and Francie Broghammer Jul 25, 2023
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    All the Lonely People with Ryan Streeter and Francie Broghammer

    Why is it, in the midst of relative peace and prosperity, we are increasingly alienated, lonely, and depressed? Even before we lived through a global pandemic, we were (and are) living through a deadly loneliness epidemic.


    In this conversation Ryan Streeter and Francie Broghammer join us to wrestle with tough questions such as how to think about reinvigorating relational and community ties that encourage the flourishing of both the individual and the body politic.


    We discuss the antidotes to isolation in a time of pandemic and strive to find hope for connecting lonely people in a divided and polarized nation:

    Loneliness is the subjective feeling of being alone. You can feel alone in a crowded room. And so this is important that we highlight because what happens when you start feeling that way is that not far from there is this inability to find meaning in your life and daily actions. - Francie Broghammer

    We hope this conversation on America’s epidemic of loneliness and the path towards meaningful connection inspires you to consider how you can further cultivate enduring friendships and engage with your community.


    Our podcast is an edited version of an Online Conversation with Ryan and Francie from April, 2021. You can access the full conversation with transcript here.

    Learn more about Ryan Streeter and Francie Broghammer.


    Authors and books mentioned in the conversation:

    Transforming Charity, by Ryan Streeter

    Religion and the Public Sphere in the 21st Century, by Ryan Streeter

    The Soul of Civil Society, by Ryan Streeter

    The Pursuit of Loneliness, by Philip Slater

    The Lonely Crowd, by David Riesman

    Bowling Alone, by Robert Putnam

    Arthur Brooks

    George Orwell

    Yuval Levin

    Alexis de Tocqueville


    Related Trinity Forum Readings:

    On Happiness, by Thomas Aquinas

    On Friendship, by Cicero

    Man’s Search for Meaning, by Viktor Frankl

    Augustine’s Confessions

    The Long Loneliness, by Dorothy Day

    Wrestling with God, by Simone Weil


    Related Conversations:
    Strength in the Second Half with Arthur Brooks
    Cultivating a Life of Learning with Zena Hitz
    Being, Living, and Dying Well with Lydia Dugdale
    Hope, Heartbreak, and Meaning with Kate Bowler
    The Burden of Living and the and the Goodness of God with Alan Noble
    All the Lonely People with Ryan Streeter and Francie Broghammer


    To listen to this or any of our episodes in full, visit ttf.org/podcast and to join the Trinity Forum Society and help make content like this possible, join the Trinity Forum Society


    Special thanks to Ned Bustard for our podcast artwork.


    The Burden of Living and the Goodness of God with Alan Noble Jul 11, 2023
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    The Burden of Living and the Goodness of God with Alan Noble

    We don’t often talk about the courage required to face ordinary life. Such common human challenges as sorrow, despair, anxiety, and mental illness may cause us to experience life more as a burden than a gift. For many, this struggle is a constant one.


    In his new book, On Getting Out of Bed: The Burden & Gift of Living, author and professor Alan Noble considers the challenges that face each one of us every morning. He concludes that the simple decision to engage with the world each day constitutes a declaration of the goodness of God.

    “One of the things I want to remind people of is that actually just by choosing to go through the basic motions of life, you are affirming to other people that this life is good.

    “And just putting your feet on the ground and getting up despite the suffering you might be experiencing, communicates to other people that this life is worth living even when you are suffering. And that's a powerful witness.”


    Bearing witness and Carrying Each Other

    As Alan so eloquently makes the case, our call to faithfulness is not a solo journey. When we persevere despite our suffering, we communicate that God’s creation is good, and it’s an encouragement to others. It's by carrying and being carried by others that the pilgrim can make it home.

    “Now, there may come times when you are required by your suffering to radically depend upon others to carry you out of bed. My advice is to embrace those moments, knowing that you'll carry your neighbor in return when the time comes.”

    We hope you’ll enjoy this conversation and share it with your community.

    This podcast is an edited version of an Online Conversation with Alan recorded in April of 2023. You can access the full conversation with transcript here. Learn more about Alan Noble.


    Authors and books mentioned in the conversation:

    On Getting Out of Bed: The Burden & Gift of Living, by Alan Noble

    Disruptive Witness: Speaking Truth in a Distracted Age, by Alan Noble

    You Are Not Your Own: Belonging to God in an Inhuman World, by Alan Noble

    Jacques Ellul

    The Soul of Shame: Retelling the Stories We Believe About Ourselves, by Curt Thompson

    Related Trinity Forum Readings:

    On Happiness, by Thomas Aquinas

    On Friendship, by Cicero

    Man’s Search for Meaning, by Viktor Frankl

    Augustine’s Confessions

    The Long Loneliness, by Dorothy Day

    Wrestling with God, by Simone Weil

    Tale of Two Cities, by Charles Dickens

    Related Conversations:

    Strength in the Second Half with Arthur Brooks
    Cultivating a Life of Learning with Zena Hitz
    Being, Living, and Dying Well with Lydia Dugdale
    Blessings for Imperfect Days with Kate Bowler
    The Burden of Living and the and the Goodness of God with Alan Noble
    All the Lonely People with Ryan Streeter and Francie Broghammer

    To listen to this or any of our episodes in full, visit ttf.org/podcast and to join the Trinity Forum Society and help make content like this possible, join the Trinity Forum Society


    Special thanks to Ned Bustard for our podcast artwork.


    Blessings for Imperfect Days with Kate Bowler Jun 27, 2023
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    The Blessing of Imperfect Days with Kate Bowler

    It’s easy to be caught in the trap of perfectionism, especially when those around us seem to have it all together. But we can find ourselves alone and discouraged when things don’t go as we’ve planned, and the lives we actually have fail to resemble those we’d hoped to lead.


    In her recently released book The Lives We Actually Lead, New York Times best-selling author and Duke University professor Kate Bowler (along with co-author Jessica Richie) offer a collection of blessings that center gratitude and hope while acknowledging the reality of our often messy and frantic everyday lives. They show how embracing our limitations and vulnerabilities, as well as those of others, can open new possibilities for healing, hope, and community.

    Finitude, Gratitude, and Being of Help
    In this conversation, Kate shares about her work detailing the Prosperity Gospel movement from an academic standpoint, and how her own setbacks and health catastrophe in a cancer diagnosis both deepened her sense of being loved by God and softened her toward those desperate for a miracle.

    Kate and Cherie's conversation goes through deep waters, but does so with much humor and heart. We hope you'll listen and share it with your friends and loved ones.

    This podcast is an edited version of an Evening Conversation with Kate recorded in February of 2023. You can access the full conversation with transcript here. Learn more about Kate Bowler.


    Authors and books mentioned in the conversation:

    Blessed: A History of the American Prosperity Gospel, by Kate Bowler

    The Preacher's Wife: The Precarious Power of Evangelical Women Celebrities, by Kate Bowler

    Everything Happens For a Reason: And Other Lies I've Loved, by Kate Bowler

    No Cure for Being Human: (And Other Truths I Need to Hear), by Kate Bowler

    The Lives We Actually Have: A Hundred Blessings for Imperfect Days, by Kate Bowler and Jessica Richie

    Seneca

    Joel Osteen

    Oprah

    Joanna Gaines

    Rev. Dr. Stephen B. Chapman

    Wendell Berry


    Related Trinity Forum Readings:

    On Happiness, by Thomas Aquinas

    On Friendship, by Cicero

    Man’s Search for Meaning, by Viktor Frankl

    Augustine’s Confessions

    The Long Loneliness, by Dorothy Day

    Wrestling with God, by Simone Weil

    Tale of Two Cities, by Charles Dickens


    Related Conversations:

    Strength in the Second Half with Arthur Brooks
    Cultivating a Life of Learning with Zena Hitz
    Being, Living, and Dying Well with Lydia Dugdale
    Hope, Heartbreak, and Meaning with Kate Bowler
    The Burden of Living and the and the Goodness of God with Alan Noble
    All the Lonely People with Ryan Streeter and Francie Broghammer


    To listen to this or any of our episodes in full, visit ttf.org/podcast and to join the Trinity Forum Society and help make content like this possible, join the Trinity Forum Society


    Special thanks to Ned Bustard for our podcast artwork.



    Being, Living, and Dying Well with Lydia Dugdale Jun 13, 2023
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    Being, Living, and Dying Well with Lydia Dugdale

    In the wake of the Black Plague of the middle ages, people cried out for help to die well. What developed over the ensuing centuries was a work called the Ars Moriendi, a book designed to help Christians die well. In the midst of the global COVID-19 pandemic in 2021 we were joined by professor and physician Lydia Dugdale to discuss her book The Lost Art of Dying Well which explores the wisdom of the Ars Moriendi:

    “The Christian theology about death is one of paradox in many ways. Death is overcome. That is what Christians celebrate on Easter Sunday. But death still has a sting. It still is bitter. It hurts, it rips, a hole in the fabric of our lives. And so we hold in tension this idea that death has this sting, but also is ultimately overcome. So we don't need to accept death, but we need to start by acknowledging finitude.”

    Acknowledging our Finitude and Call for Community
    Over the course of our conversation, Lydia explains how acknowledging our finitude and investing in our community are the two crucial first steps in preparing to die well. And these steps in preparation for a good death ultimately help us to live well too.


    We trust you’ll find much to think about and wrestle with in this conversation, and we hope it inspires you to live wisely and well today.


    This podcast is an edited version of an Online Conversation with Lydia recorded on Good Friday in April of 2021. You can access the full conversation with transcript here.

    Learn more about Lydia Dugdale.


    Authors and books mentioned in the conversation:

    The Lost Art of Dying: Reviving Forgotten Wisdom, by Lydia Dugdale

    This Republic of Suffering: Death and the American Civil War, by Drew Gilpin Faust

    Philippe Ariès

    A Tale of Two Cities, by Charles Dickens

    The Christian Art of Dying: Learning from Jesus, by Allen Verhey

    Related Trinity Forum Readings:

    On Happiness, by Thomas Aquinas

    On Friendship, by Cicero

    Man’s Search for Meaning, by Viktor Frankl

    Augustine’s Confessions

    The Long Loneliness, by Dorothy Day

    Wrestling with God, by Simone Weil

    Tale of Two Cities, by Charles Dickens

    Related Conversations:

    Strength in the Second Half with Arthur Brooks
    Cultivating a Life of Learning with Zena Hitz
    Being, Living, and Dying Well with Lydia Dugdale
    Hope, Heartbreak, and Meaning with Kate Bowler
    The Burden of Living and the and the Goodness of God with Alan Noble
    All the Lonely People with Ryan Streeter and Francie Broghammer

    To listen to this or any of our episodes in full, visit ttf.org/podcast and to join the Trinity Forum Society and help make content like this possible, join the Trinity Forum Society


    Special thanks to Ned Bustard for our podcast artwork.


    Cultivating a Life of Learning with Zena Hitz May 30, 2023
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    Cultivating a Life of Learning with Zena Hitz

    How can we cultivate the habits and discipline required for a life of learning, especially in an age of distraction? And is such a life really worth it?


    Zena Hitz is a humanities scholar and author of Lost in Thought: The Hidden Pleasures of an Intellectual Life, and she joins our podcast to argue that few experiences are as formative and fulfilling as the cultivation of a rich inner life of learning and contemplation:

    “Virtually any intellectual activity, any piece of thinking or contemplation involves others. Even just sitting reading a book, there's an author that wrote that book and there are characters within the book that the author is sharing with you. And a lot of what I think we do and in a great books education is you encounter the minds of these authors and…even if they're long dead you see something about who they were and what they saw. So there's a human connection at the bottom of it.”

    Learning in Community, and the need for Perseverance
    Zena argues that learning is worth doing for its own sake, as something intrinsically valuable, reflective of, and fortifying to our dignity as human beings and a vital part of the good life. And when we find our energy flagging or our motives for learning to be mixed, community and perseverance are the necessary prescription for deepening and sustaining our intellectual lives.


    Our podcast is an edited version of an Online Conversation with Zena from September, 2022. You can access the full conversation with transcript here.

    Learn more about Zena Hitz.

    Authors and books mentioned in the conversation:


    Lost in Thought: The Hidden Pleasures of the Intellectual Life, by Zena Hitz
    Augustine

    Plato
    Aristotle

    Jonathan Haidt

    David Hume

    Jessica Hooten Wilson


    Related Trinity Forum Readings:

    On Happiness, by Thomas Aquinas

    On Friendship, by Cicero

    Man’s Search for Meaning, by Viktor Frankl

    Augustine’s Confessions

    The Long Loneliness, by Dorothy Day

    Wrestling with God, by Simone Weil


    Related Conversations:

    Strength in the Second Half with Arthur Brooks
    Cultivating a Life of Learning with Zena Hitz
    Being, Living, and Dying Well with Lydia Dugdale
    Hope, Heartbreak, and Meaning with Kate Bowler
    The Burden of Living and the and the Goodness of God with Alan Noble
    All the Lonely People with Ryan Streeter and Francie Broghammer


    To listen to this or any of our episodes in full, visit ttf.org/podcast and to join the Trinity Forum Society and help make content like this possible, join the Trinity Forum Society


    Special thanks to Ned Bustard for our podcast artwork.


    Strength to Strength with Arthur Brooks May 16, 2023
    Show notes

    As we start to approach middle age (or beyond), how do we think about our vocation and purpose? Should our sense of mission change? What should we do to equip ourselves for a joyful, purposeful, and meaningful second half?


    Arthur Brooks joined us to discuss ideas in his latest book Strength to Strength, which weaves together philosophy and research on human flourishing to illuminate the inescapable fact of change as we grow older — and to offer practical guidance on flourishing in new stages of life:

    “I can tell you that if you boil the ocean of 10,000 research articles, you'll find the happiest people, they pursue four things every day. Faith, family, friendship, and work that serves others. In other words, love, love, love. And more love.”

    Friendship, crystalized intelligence, and the beatific vision
    This conversation is rich in reflections on achievement, the way our intelligence changes as we age, the importance of making and sustaining real friendships, and how pondering our own mortality can lead to greater joy.


    Our podcast is an edited version of our Online Conversation from February, 2022. You can access the full conversation with transcript here.

    Learn more about Arthur Brooks.

    Authors and books mentioned in the conversation:

    Love Your Enemies, by Arthur Brooks

    From Strength to Strength, by Arthur Brooks

    Summa Theologica, by Thomas Aquinas

    The Nicomachean Ethics, by Aristotle

    The Dalai Lama

    The Apostle Paul

    St. Augustine

    David Foster Wallace

    Abraham Maslow


    Related Trinity Forum Readings:

    On Happiness, by Thomas Aquinas

    On Friendship, by Cicero

    Two Old men, by Leo Tolstoy
    How Much Land Does a Man Need? by Leo Tolstoy
    Man’s Search for Meaning, by Viktor Frankl


    Related Conversations:

    Strength in the Second Half with Arthur Brooks
    Cultivating a Life of Learning with Zena Hitz
    Being, Living, and Dying Well with Lydia Dugdale
    Hope, Heartbreak, and Meaning with Kate Bowler
    The Burden of Living and the and the Goodness of God with Alan Noble
    All the Lonely People with Ryan Streeter and Francie Broghammer


    To listen to this or any of our episodes in full, visit ttf.org/podcast and to join the Trinity Forum Society and help make content like this possible, join the Trinity Forum Society


    Special thanks to Ned Bustard for our podcast artwork.



    The Soul of Desire with Curt Thompson May 02, 2023
    Show notes

    We all long to be fully known. Yet so often this desire for true connection and community is impaired by trauma, shame, and suffering. In October of 2021, we hosted psychiatrist Curt Thompson to discuss his book, The Soul of Desire: Discovering the Neuroscience of Longing, Beauty, and Community.


    In his book, Thompson weaves together neurobiological insight and spiritual formation to open up new ways of understanding our longing for connection with God and each other. Curt explored the ways cultivating presence with ourselves, others, and God can move us from brokenness to beauty:


    “The reason that this is important is because our trauma and our shame, all that stuff–if I don't take care of that, I'm necessarily literally going to have to be burning neurobiological energy to contain it, and that is energy that I then will not have available to create those artifacts of beauty and goodness in the world that God has prepared for me and you together, along with the presence of the Holy Spirit from before the foundation of the world, to create.”


    Confessional Community and the Imagination
    During our conversation, Curt offers up a vision for the ways in which a confessional community can reshape our imaginations and reveal new possibilities for better knowing and loving God ourselves and others. It's a redemptive, hopeful, even beautiful vision, and we hope it inspires you to press into your community too.

    This podcast is an edited version of our Online Conversation from October, 2021. You can access the full conversation with transcript here.

    Learn more about Curt Thompson.


    Authors and books mentioned in the conversation:


    The Soul of Desire: Discovering the Neuroscience of Longing, Beauty, and Community, by Curt Thompson

    Daniel J. Siegel

    Tina Payne Bryson
    James K.A. Smith

    The Silver Chair, by C.S. Lewis

    Related Trinity Forum Readings:

    Insights from Great Literature
    Man’s Search for Meaning


    Related Conversations:

    Strength in the Second Half with Arthur Brooks
    Cultivating a Life of Learning with Zena Hitz
    Being, Living, and Dying Well with Lydia Dugdale
    Hope, Heartbreak, and Meaning with Kate Bowler
    The Burden of Living and the and the Goodness of God with Alan Noble
    All the Lonely People with Ryan Streeter and Francie Broghammer

    To listen to this or any of our episodes in full, visit ttf.org/podcast and to join the Trinity Forum Society and help make content like this possible, join the Trinity Forum Society


    Special thanks to Ned Bustard for our podcast artwork.



    Public Faith in Polarized Times Apr 18, 2023
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    Public Faith in Polarized Times with Mark Labberton, Claude Alexander, Walter Kim


    In a public square increasingly riven by tribalism, identity politics, and polarization, how can Christians wisely and faithfully engage?


    We were joined by Mark Labberton, Claude Alexander, and Walter Kim in August of 2021 to explore ways of understanding and approaching Christian public engagement beyond the ruts of timid quietism or belligerent culture-warring:


    “It's easy to think about public faith in terms of our public character. In other words, how we conduct ourselves in public. And that's critical, that's very important. The posture, the characters of integrity. The ability to bring joy and peace to others. But there's a deeper issue at stake of not merely character, but the very presence of the gospel in society, the presence of faith in society.

    "So the gospel no longer becomes this narrow vision of personal and characterological transformation, which it is including, but it also encompasses this very expansive vision of the implications of faith for every sector of human existence and endeavor.” - Walter Kim


    The Church's Historic and Global Witness
    Drawing on both the church’s historic witness under times of stress and persecution, and the ways in which the faith is expressed globally, Labberton, Alexander, and Kim offer a vision that is both sobering and hopeful:


    “I do think for me, there's the assurance that God is not the least bit surprised or undone by this moment. In fact, it's quite familiar if you look back on the pages of both the Hebrew scriptures and the New Testament, you find plenty of evidences of the makings of such moments as this.

    “So the sense of faith against staggering power or resistance to change, or to deep confession or all of that, that's familiar biblical terrain. That's why it required the death of God in Jesus to be able to actually take all of this with the deep seriousness that it requires.” - Mark Labberton


    The Church can be a Blessing in Polarized Times

    We believe you’ll find their vision for a church that can thrive in the midst of difficulty and serve as an exemplar of unity in a time of fragmentation and political polarization inspiring.


    This podcast is an edited version of our Online Conversation from August, 2021. You can access the full conversation with transcript here.

    Learn more about Mark Labberton, Walter Kim, and Claude Alexander.


    Authors and books mentioned in the conversation:

    Martin Luther King. Jr.

    Yuval Levin

    G.K. Chesterton

    St. Paul

    Related Trinity Forum Readings:

    Crisis-Ready Leadership Collection
    The Confessions of St. Augustine
    City of God
    Children of Light and the Children of Darkness, by Reinhold Niebuhr
    Politics and the English Language, by George Orwell
    Politics, Morality, and Civility, by Václav Havel


    Related Conversations:

    Leadership in Tumultuous Times with Ron C. White

    Lincoln in Private with Ron C. White
    Crisis Ready Leadership
    Redeeming Power with Diane Langberg

    Character, Virtue, and Leadership with Michael Lamb


    To listen to this or any of our episodes in full, visit ttf.org/podcast and to join the Trinity Forum Society and help make content like this possible, join the Trinity Forum Society


    Special thanks to Ned Bustard for our podcast artwork.


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