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UGO08: The Coming Hunger Games for Global Savings ft. David Dredge Nov 19, 2025

Show notes

Recorded live from the Cboe RMC floor in Munich, Cem Karsan sits down with volatility veteran David Dredge for a deep exploration of what truly drives risk. From the crash of 1987 to today’s era of correlation, Dredge reframes volatility not as fear, but freedom. Through his F1 “brakes” analogy, he reveals why protection enables performance, and how convexity builds resilience in an uncertain world. Together, they trace the arc from structured-product flows to demographics, fiscal repression, and the coming global “Hunger Games” for savings. A masterclass in compounding through uncertainty.

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Episode TimeStamps:

00:01:29 – Cem introduces David Dredge live from Munich.

00:03:28 – Dredge recalls arriving in Asia before the 1987 crash.

00:05:06 – The F1 brakes analogy—why protection enables speed.

00:07:45 – The “preserve and enhance” portfolio that defied 65/35.

00:10:57 – Rethinking 60/40 and the illusion of diversification.

00:14:33 – Cem on $500 trillion of correlated assets.

00:17:22 – Why covered calls lose to convexity over time.

00:19:14 – Misreading 2022: correlation, not equities, was the risk.

00:21:20 – When diversification fails, only convexity endures.

00:27:13 – Value investing in volatility—buying what others suppress.

00:37:48 – Euro FX vol: the paradox of cheap risk.

00:44:07 – Demographics and the quiet mathematics of decline.

00:47:46 – The “Hunger Games” for global savings begins.

00:52:57 – Lessons from 1997: FX and gold vol as survival trades.

00:56:11 – The anti-fiat portfolio—Bitcoin, gold, and long vol.

01:01:13 – Closing reflection on resilience as freedom.

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SI374: When the Data Goes Dark: Trend Following, Turbulence & Total Portfolios ft. Katy Kaminski Nov 15, 2025

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What happens when the data goes dark, yet markets barely flinch? In this episode, Niels and Katy unpack the month of October defined by missing economic releases, relentless equity strength and three extraordinary days of Liberation Day turbulence. They explore why price often tells the truest story, how total portfolio thinking could rewrite the role of trend, and why short term strategies faltered while precious metals surged. The conversation then shifts to the coming wave of alternatives in private wealth and the silent risk inside target date funds, asking how managed futures can reshape retirement outcomes when timing paths go wrong.

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Episode TimeStamps:

00:00 - Introduction and catching up from Boston

02:00 - Life without economic data and what markets really need

04:20 - Price as the only truth and the limits of official data

05:45 - CalPERS, total portfolio thinking and what it means for trend

08:20 - AI, data centers and the inflation story hiding in electricity

10:30 - Inflation regimes, unstable prices and why trend cares about change

12:40 - Year to date trend review across equities, metals, FX and bonds

15:10 - Why short term traders struggled in a headline driven year

20:00 - Picking “the best strategy” and why robustness matters more than Sharpe

24:10 - Parameters, speed of response and treating markets differently

26:20 - Liberation Day: three consecutive shock days and what CTAs learned

33:40 - Economic trend, price trend and the blurry line with global macro

39:00 - Crisis alpha, convexity and when fundamentals stop mattering

44:50 - The rise of alternatives and why “core” portfolios are changing

48:20 - How the industry can tap private wealth and model portfolios

52:00 - Trend in target retirement funds and the sequence of returns problem

56:40 - Looking ahead, volatility forecasting and next week’s guest

58:25 - Wrap up, disclosures and final reflections

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GM91: Inside China’s Growth Dilemma ft. George Magnus Nov 12, 2025

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China’s ascent tells two stories. One of power, precision, and industrial brilliance - the other of imbalance, aging, and constraint. In this episode, Alan Dunne and George Magnus trace the hidden geometry of that divide. They explore how a nation that builds for the future struggles to sustain its present: an economy split between advanced manufacturing and fading momentum, between the Party’s control and the market’s gravity. From local debt and demographic drag to rare-earth diplomacy and the politics of currency, Magnus sketches China not as a riddle to be solved, but as a system nearing the limits of its own design.

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IT’s TRUE ? – most CIO’s read 50+ books each year – get your FREE copy of the Ultimate Guide to the Best Investment Books ever written here.

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Episode TimeStamps:

00:00 – Opening and disclaimer

02:23 – George Magnus on career path and China focus

06:56 – Data, distortions, and how to analyze China credibly

11:37 – Two-track reality: advanced industry vs. a strained macro base

16:56 – Why consumption rebalancing keeps failing

22:29 – Stock-market boosts vs. household wealth effects

25:45 – China’s “QE by other means”: credit, banks, LGFVs

27:40 – Who’s levered? Local governments and off–balance sheet debt

29:51 – Japan echoes and key differences

33:23 – Trade frictions, rare-earth leverage, and U.S.–China tactics

38:01 – Belt & Road 2.0: fewer loans, more influence

42:56 – Capital controls and the ceiling on RMB internationalization

49:00 – Hong Kong’s evolving financial role

50:54 – CCP control after the plenum; succession optics

53:47 – Taiwan scenarios and risk contours

55:51 – Plateau vs. precipice: what could still break

57:54 – Career advice for macro and China analysis

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SI373: Why Trend Thrives When Inflation Returns ft. Yoav Git Nov 08, 2025

Show notes

What if markets move not by logic, but by pressure? In this conversation, Alan Dunne and Yoav Git trace the invisible currents behind price formation, namely how a single dollar of inflow can lift valuations fivefold, and why that distortion challenges everything the efficient market promised. From the slow mechanics of supply and demand to the moral hazards of policy and liquidity, the discussion follows money as it reshapes narrative. They revisit research that foresaw inflation’s return, and question why QIS indices so often fade in practice. Beneath it all lies a quiet question: what truly drives the modern market?

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50 YEARS OF TREND FOLLOWING BOOK AND BEHIND-THE-SCENES VIDEO FOR ACCREDITED INVESTORS - CLICK HERE

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Follow Niels on Twitter, LinkedIn, YouTubeor via the TTU website.

IT’s TRUE ? – most CIO’s read 50+ books each year – get your FREE copy of the Ultimate Guide to the Best Investment Books ever written here.

And you can get a free copy of my latest book “Ten Reasons to Add Trend Following to Your Portfolio” here.

Learn more about the Trend Barometer here.

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Episode TimeStamps:

00:00:23 – Opening and agenda for the discussion

00:01:05 – Math education in the UK and XTX’s push to fund young talent

00:03:39 – Market performance recap for early November

00:04:49 – Reflections on volatility and fixed income trading conditions

00:05:13 – Introduction to the “Inelastic Markets Hypothesis”

00:05:53 – Supply, demand, and elasticity explained in market terms

00:10:30 – Instrumental variables and how economists measure elasticity

00:14:51 – The debate: if markets clear, how can flows move prices?

00:15:44 – Why equities are more inelastic than bonds

00:21:04 – Questioning the 5x effect and how flows follow prices

00:23:48 – Policy and moral hazard implications of inelastic markets

00:26:07 – How elasticity differences shape trend-following speeds

00:29:57 – Should all markets use the same trading models?

00:36:19 – “Best Strategies for Inflationary Times” revisited

00:38:30 – Why the paper predicted 2022 so accurately

00:42:03 – The nature of trend following: slow losses, fast wins

00:44:24 – Inflation mandates and the overlooked role of CTAs

00:48:33 – Why TIPS and real estate can fail as inflation hedges

00:50:05 – Examining “Quantifying Backtest Overfitting” in QIS

00:53:59 – The 60% haircut between backtests and live returns

00:56:00 – How CTAs add value beyond bank QIS products

01:00:40 – QIS as a low-cost, capital-efficient exposure

01:01:15 – Closing thoughts and next week’s preview

01:01:59 – Outro and disclaimer

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GM90: The Quiet Repricing of Reality ft. Adam Rozencwajg & Cem Karsan Nov 05, 2025

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Power shifts quietly, until it doesn’t. In this episode, Niels Kaastrup-Larsen and Cem Karsan are joined by Adam Rozencwajg to trace the slow fracture of a system built on leverage, politics, and belief. From the echo of LBJ’s confrontation with the Fed to today’s invisible coercions, they explore how monetary regimes die, not in crisis, but in exhaustion. Inflation returns as behavior, debt becomes geometry, and commodities reclaim their voice. Through the lenses of shale decline, Venezuela’s unrealized oil, and the steady ascent of gold, this conversation reveals a cycle completing itself. The story isn’t new. Only the setting has changed.

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50 YEARS OF TREND FOLLOWING BOOK AND BEHIND-THE-SCENES VIDEO FOR ACCREDITED INVESTORS - CLICK HERE

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IT’s TRUE ? – most CIO’s read 50+ books each year – get your FREE copy of the Ultimate Guide to the Best Investment Books ever written here.

And you can get a free copy of my latest book “Ten Reasons to Add Trend Following to Your Portfolio” here.

Learn more about the Trend Barometer here.

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Episode TimeStamps:

00:00 - Introduction

03:12 - The rise of carry trades and the rhythm of global financial cycles

08:44 - Political pressure, Fed history, and lessons from past monetary regimes

13:47 - The end of carry, the dawn of stagflation, and the return of real assets

20:47 - Inflation’s return, debt dynamics, and the coming shift in the monetary system

27:33 - Gold, negative real rates, and the psychology of inflation

34:57 - The debt spiral, liquidity traps, and the quiet monetization of risk

41:40 - Energy policy, shale decline, and the politics of “Drill Baby Drill”

49:10 - Venezuela’s oil chessboard and the geopolitical struggle for supply

55:48 - Oil’s forgotten value and echoes of past energy cycles

01:00:19 - Gold, miners, and the new hierarchy of precious assets

01:07:23 - Helium, the next frontier, and closing reflections on a changing world

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1. eBooks that cover key topics that you need to know about

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OI19 BONUS: Living With Ed Seykota ft. David Druz Nov 03, 2025

Show notes

Dave Druz spent six months living with Ed Seykota - not shadowing a trading system, but watching a way of being. In this bonus episode, he shares what that experience revealed: a style built on instinct, pattern, and total psychological clarity. No screens. No signals. Just presence. Dave tried to trade that way himself - made 300%, unraveled, and walked away. What emerges is less a portrait of Seykota than a meditation on the limits of imitation, the pressure of performance, and the discipline it takes to trade like yourself - especially after witnessing someone who doesn’t.

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50 YEARS OF TREND FOLLOWING BOOK AND BEHIND-THE-SCENES VIDEO FOR ACCREDITED INVESTORS - CLICK HERE

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Follow Niels on Twitter, LinkedIn, YouTubeor via the TTU website.

IT’s TRUE ? – most CIO’s read 50+ books each year – get your FREE copy of the Ultimate Guide to the Best Investment Books ever written here.

And you can get a free copy of my latest book “Ten Reasons to Add Trend Following to Your Portfolio” here.

Learn more about the Trend Barometer here.

Send your questions to info@toptradersunplugged.com

And please share this episode with a like-minded friend and leave an honest Rating & Review on iTunes or Spotify so more people can discover the podcast.

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Episode TimeStamps:

02:21 - Introduction to part 2

02:57 - Anecdotes from Druz' time working with Ed Seykota

06:46 - The best trader the world has ever seen

17:13 - The optimal bed size

21:24 - What Druz learned from working with Seykota

24:42 - Key lessons for managing drawdowns

26:54 - How does one gets to become an apprentice of Ed Seykota

31:58 - Living with Ed Seykota

34:16 - Seykota's 10.000 dollar cookie mania

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1. eBooks that cover key topics that you need to know about

2. Daily Trend Barometer and Market Score

3. Other Resources that can help you

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SI372: QIS Unboxed: Rules, Wrappers, and Reality ft. Nick Baltas Nov 01, 2025

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As equity markets grind higher and trend strategies navigate sharp reversals, Moritz Siebert welcomes Nick Baltas of Goldman Sachs for a conversation that moves beyond performance to examine structure. Together they unpack the machinery of the $1.3 trillion QIS industry - from index design and client behavior to the subtle forces shaping capacity and crowding. They discuss how trading speed has become a key axis of dispersion, why volatility remains the hidden cost in systematic portfolios, and what resilience in markets might really be masking. This is not just about strategy. It’s about how products scale, and how ideas hold.

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50 YEARS OF TREND FOLLOWING BOOK AND BEHIND-THE-SCENES VIDEO FOR ACCREDITED INVESTORS - CLICK HERE

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Follow Niels on Twitter, LinkedIn, YouTubeor via the TTU website.

IT’s TRUE ? – most CIO’s read 50+ books each year – get your FREE copy of the Ultimate Guide to the Best Investment Books ever written here.

And you can get a free copy of my latest book “Ten Reasons to Add Trend Following to Your Portfolio” here.

Learn more about the Trend Barometer here.

Send your questions to info@toptradersunplugged.com

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Episode TimeStamps:

00:23 - Moritz opens the show and introduces Nick

01:16 - Nick’s quick life update and setting the tone

02:45 - Market resilience vs. fragility in 2025

04:18 - Performance rundown: CTAs, trend, equities, bonds

06:10 - October reversals: metals and livestock giveback

07:32 - What’s working: equities, gold, copper; sugar shorts

08:58 - Trend speed, April V-shape, and dispersion

10:40 - Position exits, re-entries, and neutral zones

11:55 - How QIS differs and why it’s opaque from the outside

14:40 - How big is QIS? Asset class split and caveats

18:05 - Who uses QIS: from asset owners to hedge funds

21:30 - What QIS really provides: rules, access, and efficiency

28:05 - The four pillars of product design (research, clients, tech, markets)

30:20 - Why thousands of indices exist (customization, wrappers)

33:22 - Delta-1 vs. options on indices: when each makes sense

36:58 - Vol targeting trade-offs for optionality and recovery

38:55 - Built for scale, but with capacity discipline

42:00 - Innovating without data-mining traps

47:12 - Crowding: congestion, vol carry, and trend mechanics

56:35 - Wrap-up and what to expect next week

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PLUS: Whenever you're ready... here are 3 ways I can help you in your investment Journey:

1. eBooks that cover key topics that you need to know about

2. Daily Trend Barometer and Market Score

3. Other Resources that can help you

And if you are hungry for more useful resources from the trend following world...check out some precious resources that I have found over the years to be really valuable. Click Here

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OI19: The Trader Who Never Spoke...Until Now ft. David Druz Oct 29, 2025

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Dave Druz has never told his story... not like this, not anywhere. For over 40 years, he traded quietly, systematically, and on his own terms. No marketing, no headlines, no need to explain. Until now. In this unique conversation with Moritz Seibert, Dave - Ed Seykota’s first apprentice - shares how he built his approach, why he never identified as a trend follower, and what matters when your edge comes from standing opposite commercial hedgers. He explains why portfolio construction outranks entries, why volatility is the price of real risk, and why staying small was a choice, not a limitation. From medicine to markets, from apprenticeship to independence, this isn’t just how he traded - it’s why he stayed silent, and why he’s speaking now.

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50 YEARS OF TREND FOLLOWING BOOK AND BEHIND-THE-SCENES VIDEO FOR ACCREDITED INVESTORS - CLICK HERE

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Follow Niels on Twitter, LinkedIn, YouTubeor via the TTU website.

IT’s TRUE ? – most CIO’s read 50+ books each year – get your FREE copy of the Ultimate Guide to the Best Investment Books ever written here.

And you can get a free copy of my latest book “Ten Reasons to Add Trend Following to Your Portfolio” here.

Learn more about the Trend Barometer here.

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Read more about David.

Episode TimeStamps:

02:11 - Introduction to Dave Druz

13:50 - Druz' time in the Commodities Corporation

19:14 - How did Druz discover trend following?

23:57 - The core philosophy behind Druz' trend following strategy

28:08 - Who wins and loses in the markets?

37:37 - Determining hedging flows in commodity markets

41:03 - Managing money in trend following

43:40 - How does Druz size a position and get out of it?

45:16 - Coping with a high level of volatility

50:23 - Mitigate drawdown or take the ride?

55:20 - Put your affection on portfolio selection

58:19 - Mastering systems

59:50 - Druz' approach to market selection

01:08:33 - Sizing signals optimally

01:12:43 - A new way of running an investing business

01:19:24 - Creating a personalized portfolio with an edge

01:28:36 - Why Tactical is no longer a business

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PLUS: Whenever you're ready... here are 3 ways I can help you in your investment Journey:

1. eBooks that cover key topics that you need to know about

2. Daily Trend Barometer and Market Score

3. Other Resources that can help you

And if you are hungry for more useful resources from the trend following world...check out some precious resources that I have found over the years to be really valuable. Click Here

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SI371: Trends Don’t Form Randomly. They Form Reflexively ft. Richard Brennan Oct 25, 2025

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Richard Brennan returns this week to explore how markets truly move - not through randomness or rationality, but through impact, feedback, and memory. What begins with a single trade builds into structure, not pattern; alignment, not noise. Drawing from neuroscience and fractal geometry, Rich challenges the idea that markets can be understood without understanding interaction. The episode builds toward a pointed exchange on position sizing - closed equity versus dynamic exposure - not as a technical footnote, but as a reflection of first principles. In a system where the path shapes the outcome, how you define risk... often reveals how you think the world works.

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50 YEARS OF TREND FOLLOWING BOOK AND BEHIND-THE-SCENES VIDEO FOR ACCREDITED INVESTORS - CLICK HERE

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Follow Niels on Twitter, LinkedIn, YouTubeor via the TTU website.

IT’s TRUE ? – most CIO’s read 50+ books each year – get your FREE copy of the Ultimate Guide to the Best Investment Books ever written here.

And you can get a free copy of my latest book “Ten Reasons to Add Trend Following to Your Portfolio” here.

Learn more about the Trend Barometer here.

Send your questions to info@toptradersunplugged.com

And please share this episode with a like-minded friend and leave an honest Rating & Review on iTunes or Spotify so more people can discover the podcast.

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Episode TimeStamps:

00:00:00 – Welcome to the Systematic Investor Series

00:00:23 – Niels’ intro, show setup, and warm welcome to Rich

00:00:57 – Heatwave down under: context and small talk

00:02:10 – Rich: divided brain, AI vs embodiment, and markets needing rules

00:07:50 – AI’s edge shrinks prediction windows; why that helps trend following

00:10:35 – Gold’s violent selloff; electricity vs oil as the new macro lens

00:14:51 – “Trend heaven”: why the backdrop now looks robust

00:18:12 – Post-GFC compression vs today’s decoupling and trends

00:22:43 – Impact and reflexivity: trades reshape the next trade

00:28:23 – Non-ergodic markets: path dependence beats Gaussian assumptions

00:35:48 – Volatility ≠ risk: compression warehouses latent tail risk

00:40:08 – Engineer robustness, don’t optimize to statistics

00:49:41 – From micro impulses to structure: feedback builds trends

00:50:06 – Patterns vs structure; outliers as phase transitions

00:55:00 – Ensemble design: behavioral (not correlational) diversification

01:03:05 – Survival first: closed-equity sizing in a non-ergodic world

01:05:43 – Niels’ counterpoints: dynamic sizing, flows, and “cutback” debate

01:12:20 – Rich: why he frames it as outlier hunting

01:16:30 – Wrap-up, programming notes, and disclaimer

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PLUS: Whenever you're ready... here are 3 ways I can help you in your investment Journey:

1. eBooks that cover key topics that you need to know about

2. Daily Trend Barometer and Market Score

3. Other Resources that can help you

And if you are hungry for more useful resources from the trend following world...check out some precious resources that I have found over the years to be really valuable. Click Here

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UGO07: The Illusion of Safety: How Markets Became the Economy ft. Keith DeCarlucci, Patrick Kazley & Hari Krishnan Oct 22, 2025

Show notes

Recorded amid the noise and pulse of the RMC conference in Munich, this episode of U Got Options follows a market learning to see itself anew. Cem Karsan speaks with Keith DeCarlucci on the return of macro discipline through EM carry and the quiet yield of volatility. Patrick Kazley traces the fault lines of diversification, where beta, convexity, and policy now intersect. And Hari Krishnan confronts the uneasy coexistence of human intuition and machine logic in risk. Together, they chart the tension between structure and surprise - a world still trading on old instincts, but guided by new intelligence.

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50 YEARS OF TREND FOLLOWING BOOK AND BEHIND-THE-SCENES VIDEO FOR ACCREDITED INVESTORS - CLICK HERE

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Follow Niels on Twitter, LinkedIn, YouTubeor via the TTU website.

IT’s TRUE ? – most CIO’s read 50+ books each year – get your FREE copy of the Ultimate Guide to the Best Investment Books ever written here.

And you can get a free copy of my latest book “Ten Reasons to Add Trend Following to Your Portfolio” here.

Learn more about the Trend Barometer here.

Send your questions to info@toptradersunplugged.com

And please share this episode with a like-minded friend and leave an honest Rating & Review on iTunes or Spotify so more people can discover the podcast.

Follow Cem on Twitter.

Episode TimeStamps:

00:00 - Opening and introductions

01:29 - Overview of guests and themes: EM, volatility, and AI

03:10 - Keith DeCarlucci on EM FX, commodities, and volatility trades

14:13 - Relative value in equity vol and tail-hedging strategies

21:20 - Patrick Casley on portfolio construction and convexity

32:24 - Reassessing 60/40, nominal illusion, and macro correlations

39:44 - The new regime: long assets vs limited diversifiers

44:39 - Hari Krishnan on AI, options, and the future of volatility

56:06 - Upside skew, real assets, and structural market shifts

01:05:21 - Closing remarks and disclaimers

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PLUS: Whenever you're ready... here are 3 ways I can help you in your investment Journey:

1. eBooks that cover key topics that you need to know about

2. Daily Trend Barometer and Market Score

3. Other Resources that can help you

And if you are hungry for more useful resources from the trend following world...check out some precious resources that I have found over the years to be really valuable. Click Here

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