Show notes
On this episode of Conversations with Tom, Donald Hoffman and Tom Bilyeu discuss the fascinating possibilities that stem from the theory that evolution gave us the equivalent of a desktop interface that hides the real truth from us so that we can take effective action. They discuss the nature of consciousness, free will, space-time, causality and the self.
[Original air date: 5-28-20].
SHOW NOTES:
Most of us believe that we see reality as it is. But we don’t. [1:14]
Donald describes how mathematical game theory explains natural selection [3:42]
Donald talks about a game he created to simulate evolution [9:33]
Seeing the truth and seeing what you need to survive are very different things [13:51]
Evolution gave us the equivalent of a desktop interface, not the truth [18:11]
Every creature has a different user interface and perceives a different reality [24:57]
If we let go of logic and reasoning, then we have nothing left [32:10]
There will always be unprovable truths. You can never know it all. [35:14]
Donald describes the process by which you “see” an apple [42:05]
Evolution tells us that the language of space and time does not describe reality [47:53]
Donald proposes that reality is a vast social network of conscious agents [49:39]
A conscious agent creates their interpretation from their experiences [53:32]
What is consciousness? [57:12] What does a conscious agent need to do? [1:00:49]
Donald and Tom discuss fascinating cases of split-brain patients [1:08:13]
If space-time is doomed then is causality doomed as well? [1:22:17]
Donald discusses free will and its relationship to cause and effect [1:28:01]
The self is a construction just like space and time [1:30:27]
You can never experience yourself choosing [1:39:15]
Donald describes the experience of realizing that he is just inside a VR headset [1:40:01]
What’s the difference between math all the way down and turtles all the way down? [1:50:25]
Tom and Donald discuss the double-slit experiment in physics [1:56:18]
Donald talks about his wife and his marriage [2:01:49]
Donald and Tom discuss the possibility of taking off the headset [2:03:10]
Donald and Tom discuss why they haven’t used psychedelics [2:07:10]
Since space-time is doomed, what’s next? [2:13:27]
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