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    The Social-Engineer Podcast

    The Social-Engineer Podcast is about humans. Understanding how we interact, communicate and relay information can help us protect, mitigate and understand social engineering attacks

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    Latest Episodes:
    Ep. 333 - Security Awareness Series - DISC and Pivoting with Shelby Dacko Dec 15, 2025
    Show notes

    Today on the Social-Engineer Podcast: The Security Awareness Series, Chris is joined by Shelby Dacko. Chris and Shelby delve into the intricacies of social engineering, focusing on the challenges of pivoting during on-site security assessments. Their discussion highlights the importance of adaptability and teamwork in overcoming unexpected obstacles, emphasizing how diverse communication styles can enhance the effectiveness of security operations. [Dec 15, 2025]

    00:00 - Intro

    00:34 - Shelby Dacko Intro

    - LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shelbydacko/

    01:18 - Intro Links:

    - Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/

    - Offensive Security Vishing Services - https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/vishing/

    - Offensive Security SMiShing Services - https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/smishing/

    - Offensive Security Phishing Services - https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/smishing/

    - Call Back Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/call-back-phishing/

    - Adversarial Simulation Services - https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/adversarial-simulation/

    - Social Engineering Risk Assessments - https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/social-engineering-risk-assessment/

    - Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb

    - CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/

    - innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/

    03:42 - The Importance of Pivoting

    05:42 - DISC

    06:59 - A Difference in Planning Styles

    10:34 - Strength Through Diversity

    12:40 - Over the River...

    19:29 - And Through the Woods

    20:24 - Being Onsite

    21:40 - Pivot! Pivot! Pivot!

    24:02 - What if?

    25:29 - Stray From the Path

    28:25 - Strength In Numbers

    29:27 - Playing Into Biases

    31:43 - Wrap Up & Outro

    - www.social-engineer.com

    - www.innocentlivesfoundation.org


    Ep. 332 - Human Element Series - Health, Fitness and Mindset with Toby Wright Dec 08, 2025
    Show notes

    Today we are joined by Toby Wright. Toby is an online coach and personal trainer with a passion for mental health. Toby believes true wellness begins from the inside out. Blending evidence-based training with a focus on mental health and mindset. [Dec 8, 2025]

    00:00 - Intro

    00:26 – Dr. Abbie Maroño Intro

    00:51 - Intro Links

    - Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/

    - Offensive Security Vishing Services - https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/vishing/

    - Offensive Security SMiShing Services - https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/smishing/

    - Offensive Security Phishing Services - https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/smishing/

    - Call Back Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/call-back-phishing/

    - Adversarial Simulation Services - https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/adversarial-simulation/

    - Social Engineering Risk Assessments - https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/social-engineering-risk-assessment/

    - Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb

    - CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/

    - innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/

    02:17 - Toby Wright Intro

    03:09 - Having a Purpose

    04:02 - The Accountability Factor

    05:36 - Mindset

    07:02 - Finding What Works For You

    08:37 - The Happiness Scale

    12:40 - When to Push Through

    15:53 - Finding Balance

    17:39 - Masterclass Ad

    - https://www.masterclass.com/socialengineer

    19:12 - Focus on the 95%

    21:33 - Know What You're Taking

    23:34 - Cover Your Bases First

    25:27 - You Just Gotta Go

    29:54 - Find Toby Wright Online

    - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/tobyywright/

    31:08 - Mentors

    32:24 - Book Recommendations

    - SAS: Who Dares Wins - Ant Middleton

    34:15 - Guest Wrap Up & Outro

    - www.social-engineer.com

    - www.innocentlivesfoundation.org


    Ep. 331 - The Doctor Is In Series - What Is Cognitive Dissonance? Dec 01, 2025
    Show notes

    Welcome to the Social-Engineer Podcast: The Doctor Is In Series – where we will discuss understandings and developments in the field of psychology.

    In today's episode, Chris and Dr. Abbie explore cognitive dissonance, focusing on its impact on self-concept and emotional regulation. They discuss how dissonance occurs when actions conflict with core beliefs, creating psychological tension. Emphasizing self-awareness and reflection, they warn against rationalizing harmful behaviors and highlight the importance of embracing discomfort for personal growth and identity development. [Dec 1, 2025]

    00:00 - Intro

    00:26 - Dr. Abbie Maroño Intro

    00:43 - Intro Links

    - Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/

    - Offensive Security Vishing Services - https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/vishing/

    - Offensive Security SMiShing Services - https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/smishing/

    - Offensive Security Phishing Services - https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/smishing/

    - Call Back Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/call-back-phishing/

    - Adversarial Simulation Services - https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/adversarial-simulation/

    - Social Engineering Risk Assessments - https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/social-engineering-risk-assessment/

    - Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb

    - CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/

    - innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/

    02:40 - The Topic of the Day: What is Cognitive Dissonance?

    05:53 - A Threat to Self-Concept

    07:49 - Commitment to Consistency

    09:51 - Freedom to Choose

    10:51 - Changing Beliefs

    14:19 - Trying to Escape

    18:21 - Going From Bad to Worse

    21:53 - Self-Awareness is Key!

    24:55 - Growth Hurts

    28:49 - Everything, Not All At Once

    29:43 - It's Not A Flaw

    31:11 - Wrap Up

    31:36 - Next Month's Topic: Is Everyone a Psychopath?

    31:52 - Outro

    - www.social-engineer.com

    - www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

    Find us online:

    - LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/dr-abbie-maroño-phd

    - Instagram: @DoctorAbbieofficial

    - LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/christopherhadnagy

    References:

    Aronson, E. (1969). The theory of cognitive dissonance: A current perspective. Advances in Experimental Social Psychology, 4, 1–34.

    Bandura, A. (1999). Moral disengagement in the perpetration of inhumanities. Personality and Social Psychology Review, 3(3), 193–209.

    Brehm, J. W. (1956). Postdecision changes in the desirability of alternatives. Journal of Abnormal and Social Psychology, 52(3), 384–389.

    Festinger, L. (1957). A theory of cognitive dissonance. Stanford University Press.

    Kunda, Z. (1990). The case for motivated reasoning. Psychological Bulletin, 108(3), 480–498.

    Schumann, K., & Dweck, C. S. (2014). Who accepts responsibility for their transgressions? Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin, 40(12), 1608–1622.

    Sherman, D. K., & Cohen, G. L. (2006). The psychology of self-defense: Self-affirmation theory. Advances in Experimental Social Psychology, 38, 183–242.

    Staub, E. (1990). Moral exclusion, personal goal theory, and extreme destructiveness. Journal of Social Issues, 46(1), 47–64.

    Steele, C. M. (1988). The psychology of self-affirmation: Sustaining the integrity of the self. Advances in Experimental Social Psychology, 21, 261–302.

    van Veen, V., Krug, M. K., Schooler, J. W., & Carter, C. S. (2009). Neural activity predicts attitude change in cognitive dissonance. Nature Neuroscience, 12(11), 1469–1474.


    Ep. 330 - The 4th Monday Series - Is Your Pet In Pain? with Dr. Liz Moses Nov 24, 2025
    Show notes

    Welcome to the Social-Engineer Podcast: The 4th Monday Series with Chris Hadnagy and Mike Holfeld. Chris and Mike will be covering cutting edge global news to help people remain safe, secure and knowledgeable in a world where it is hard to know what is real and what is fake news.

    Today Chris and Mike are joined by Dr. Liz Moses. Dr. Moses is an emergency veterinarian at Veterinary Emergency Group (VEG) in South Tampa, where she helps pets and their families through some of their most urgent and stressful moments. A graduate of the University of Prince Edward Island's Atlantic Veterinary College, Dr. Moses has a special passion for client education and loves explaining common pet emergencies in a way that helps owners feel informed and empowered. [Nov 24, 2025]

    00:00 - Intro

    00:39 - Mike Holfeld Intro

    01:17 - Today's Guest: Dr. Liz Moses

    01:47 - Always Call

    02:57 - Always Loyal

    04:20 - Don't Put it Off!

    05:10 - Tough Love

    07:19 - Understanding GDV

    11:05 - The Causes

    11:56 - MasterClass Ad

    - https://www.masterclass.com/socialengineer

    13:24 - Good Catch

    16:11 - Exotics

    16:58 - Warning Signs

    19:26 - Dealing with Ear Infections

    22:27 - Tips for Caregivers

    23:04 - Tips for Little Aliens (Cats)

    24:22 - Age (Not) Related

    25:30 - Animal Pain Awareness Month

    26:10 - Find Dr. Liz Moses Online

    - TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@liizniicole_

    - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/liizniicole_/

    - Website: https://www.veg.com/

    26:52 - Next Month: Christie Hudson

    27:17 - Wrap Up & Outro

    - www.social-engineer.com

    - www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

    Find us online:

    - Chris Hadnagy

    - Twitter: @humanhacker

    - LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/christopherhadnagy


    Ep. 329 - Security Awareness Series - Mistakes, AI and Empathy: Being a Powerful Leader with Michelle Li Nov 17, 2025
    Show notes

    Today on the Social-Engineer Podcast: The Security Awareness Series, Chris is joined by Michelle Li. Chris and Michelle delve into the transformative role of AI in social engineering, highlighting both its potential and pitfalls. Their conversation emphasizes the critical need for empathy in leadership and the importance of maintaining human-centric processes in an increasingly automated world. [Nov 17, 2025]

    00:00 - Intro

    00:27 - Intro Links:

    - Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/

    - Offensive Security Vishing Services - https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/vishing/

    - Offensive Security SMiShing Services - https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/smishing/

    - Offensive Security Phishing Services - https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/smishing/

    - Call Back Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/call-back-phishing/

    - Adversarial Simulation Services - https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/adversarial-simulation/

    - Social Engineering Risk Assessments - https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/social-engineering-risk-assessment/

    - Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb

    - CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/

    - innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/

    02:34 - Michelle Li Intro

    03:14 - A Roundabout Journey

    05:40 - The Importance of Legacy

    07:26 - Using AI Honorably

    10:00 - The Effects of AI on Social Engineering

    11:52 - AI for Protection

    13:47 - Still About the Human Role

    14:49 - Masterclass Ad

    16:27 - Origins of FASE

    20:01 - Reflection of Self

    25:52 - The Role of Core Principles

    30:15 - New Kid in Town

    34:08 - Find Michelle Li Online

    - LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michelle-li-mba-ssbb-0850b975/

    - Website: https://www.bisblox.com/

    34:47 - Book Recommendations

    - Blink - Malcolm Gladwell

    - The Book of Forgiving - Desmond Tutu

    36:11 - Mentors

    38:52 - Wrap Up & Outro

    - www.social-engineer.com

    - www.innocentlivesfoundation.org


    Ep. 328 - Human Element Series - Empathy Communication and Storytelling with Tanya Van Cott Nov 10, 2025
    Show notes

    Today we're joined by Tanya Van Cott. Tanya is a New York–based architect, industrial designer, and educator whose work explores how design and storytelling can drive social change. A graduate of Pratt Institute, Tanya has been recognized by the National Endowment for the Arts with a Presidential Design Achievement Award and has been published for her innovative approach to interdisciplinary design. Before launching her own practice and press, WomanBecool PRESS, she honed her skills at world-renowned studios Pentagram and Lippincott.

    Through both design and the written word, Tanya examines how disruptive technologies shape our lives — often through the eyes of powerful female protagonists. [Nov 10, 2025]

    00:00 - Intro

    00:25 - Intro Links

    - Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/

    - Offensive Security Vishing Services - https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/vishing/

    - Offensive Security SMiShing Services - https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/smishing/

    - Offensive Security Phishing Services - https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/smishing/

    - Call Back Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/call-back-phishing/

    - Adversarial Simulation Services - https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/adversarial-simulation/

    - Social Engineering Risk Assessments - https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/social-engineering-risk-assessment/

    - Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb

    - CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/

    - innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/

    02:12 - Tanya Van Cott Intro

    03:04 - The Path to Architecture

    03:58 - Primal Screams

    06:57 - Bandwidth

    - Bandwidth - Tanya Van Cott

    08:15 - The Human Element

    10:42 - Lack of Empathy

    16:51 - The Parent Trap

    19:26 - Is Empathy an Action?

    24:22 - We're the Problem!

    29:14 - Mentors

    32:50 - Book Recommendations

    - Cat's Cradle - Kurt Vonnegut

    35:13 - Find Tanya Van Cott Online

    - LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tanyavancott/

    - Website: http://www.tanyavancott.com/

    36:37 - Valuing Real Connections

    39:35 - Guest Wrap Up & Outro

    - www.social-engineer.com

    - www.innocentlivesfoundation.org


    Ep. 327 - The Doctor Is In Series - Healthy vs. Obsessive Ambition Nov 03, 2025
    Show notes

    Welcome to the Social-Engineer Podcast: The Doctor Is In Series – where we will discuss understandings and developments in the field of psychology.

    In today's episode, Chris and Dr. Abbie discuss the complexities of ambition, emphasizing its connection to identity and intrinsic motivation. They explore how ambition can be healthy or obsessive, influenced by personality traits and life experiences. Their conversation warns against destructive ambition, which can harm relationships and ethical standards, and stresses the importance of regularly redefining success to maintain a healthy balance. [Nov 3, 2025]

    00:00 - Intro

    00:45 - Dr. Abbie Maroño Intro

    01:01 - Intro Links

    - Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/

    - Offensive Security Vishing Services - https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/vishing/

    - Offensive Security SMiShing Services - https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/smishing/

    - Offensive Security Phishing Services - https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/smishing/

    - Call Back Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/call-back-phishing/

    - Adversarial Simulation Services - https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/adversarial-simulation/

    - Social Engineering Risk Assessments - https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/social-engineering-risk-assessment/

    - Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb

    - CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/

    - innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/

    02:35 - The Topic of the Day: Healthy vs. Obsessive Ambition

    05:58 - Narcissism for Good

    06:42 - Building Ambition

    08:26 - Ambition the Destructor!

    10:05 - Take the Long Road Home

    15:18 - Development

    17:02 - Social Obsession

    19:02 - The Gift of Adversity

    22:45 - From the Inside

    26:35 - Dichotomies

    29:02 - Redefining Success

    31:27 - Growing Values

    33:28 - Healthy or Obsessive???

    34:44 - Wrap Up

    34:57 - Next Moth: Cognitive Dissonance

    35:10 - Outro

    - www.social-engineer.com

    - www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

    Find us online:

    - LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/dr-abbie-maroño-phd

    - Instagram: @DoctorAbbieofficial

    - LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/christopherhadnagy

    References:

    Deci, E. L., & Ryan, R. M. (2000). The "what" and "why" of goal pursuits: Human needs and the self-determination of behavior. Psychological Inquiry, 11(4), 227-268.

    Duckworth, A. L., Peterson, C., Matthews, M. D., & Kelly, D. R. (2007). Grit: Perseverance and passion for long-term goals. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 92(6), 1087-1101.

    Judge, T. A., & Kammeyer-Mueller, J. D. (2012). On the value of aiming high: The causes and consequences of ambition. Journal of Applied Psychology, 97(4), 758-775.

    Locke, E. A., & Latham, G. P. (2002). Building a practically useful theory of goal setting and task motivation. American Psychologist, 57(9), 705-717.

    McClelland, D. C. (1961). The achieving society. Van Nostrand.

    Wrosch, C., Scheier, M. F., Carver, C. S., & Schulz, R. (2003). The importance of goal disengagement in adaptive self- regulation. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 85(3), 503-508.


    Ep. 326 - The 4th Monday Series - Back From The Dead with Carrie Hatton Oct 27, 2025
    Show notes

    Welcome to the Social-Engineer Podcast: The 4th Monday Series with Chris Hadnagy and Mike Holfeld. Chris and Mike will be covering cutting edge global news to help people remain safe, secure and knowledgeable in a world where it is hard to know what is real and what is fake news.

    Today Chris and Mike are joined by Carrie Hatton. Carrie lives in Northeastern PA near Lake Wallenpaupack. A single mother of two boys, Carrie became disabled in 2021 after a severe case of COVID-19. She was hospitalized for three months, during which doctors had declared her clinically dead.

    A former private music teacher and vocalist, Carrie can no longer sing but continues to teach private music lessons from her studio. She also collaborates with DNF Brass and Woodwind in Honesdale, Pennsylvania. In addition, she works as a substitute teacher for the local school district and is pursuing her Master's Degree in Curriculum and Instruction online through Eastern University.

    Although her daily activities may seem normal, Carrie still relies on supplemental oxygen for exertion and while sleeping. [Oct 27, 2025]

    00:00 - Intro

    00:28 - Mike Holfeld Intro

    01:02 - Today's Guest: Carrie Hatton

    01:54 - Carrie's Story

    08:02 - Going Public

    - Book: Clinically Dead - Carrie Hatton

    11:53 - MasterClass Ad

    13:39 - Declared Dead

    17:42 - Long Covid

    21:23 - Being Your Own Advocate

    22:55 - Preventive Health

    25:41 - The Future

    27:36 - Sharing Stories

    28:14 - Wrap Up

    29:01 - Next Month: Elizabeth Moses

    29:25 - Outro

    - www.social-engineer.com

    - www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

    Find us online:

    - Chris Hadnagy

    - Twitter: @humanhacker

    - LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/christopherhadnagy


    Ep. 325 - Security Awareness Series - A Crystal Ball for Mitigating Threats With Chris and Carter Oct 20, 2025
    Show notes

    Today on the Social-Engineer Podcast: The Security Awareness Series, Chris is joined by Carter Zupancich. Chris and Carter explore the evolving landscape of social engineering threats, focusing on the rise of vishing attacks and the role of AI in enhancing these tactics. Their discussion underscores the importance of empowering employees as a human firewall and the need for continuous education and testing to strengthen organizational security. [Oct 20, 2025]

    00:00 - Intro

    00:31 - Carter Zupancich Intro

    - Website: https://carterzupancich.com/

    01:30 - Intro Links:

    - Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/

    - Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/

    - Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/

    - Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/

    - Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb

    - CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/

    - innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/

    03:35 - Tools, Tactics and Procedures

    05:19 - Tech Advances

    08:16 - The Classics

    10:01 - The Need for Testing

    12:16 - Callback Phishing

    17:26 - Setting Expectations

    21:56 - Approved Language

    23:56 - Verify!

    25:16 - Empowerment

    26:17 - And Now a Horrible Story

    28:47 - Investing In Employees

    31:19 - Wrap Up & Outro

    - www.social-engineer.com

    - www.innocentlivesfoundation.org


    Ep. 324 - Human Element Series - It Cant Be About Me with Jay Izso Oct 13, 2025
    Show notes

    Today we are joined by Jay Izso. Jay is a high-energy mindset and resilience coach, keynote speaker, bestselling author, and media personality. Known as "Coach Jay," he helps people shift their thinking, master their mindset, and unlock their potential in business and life. Drawing on his background in psychology and years of coaching leaders, entrepreneurs, and athletes, Jay blends humor, science, and real-world stories that resonate with audiences everywhere. As the host of A New Direction and Real Estate Right Now, he's built a reputation for engaging conversations that inspire action, growth, and results. [Oct 13, 2025]

    00:00 - Intro

    00:53 - Intro Links

    - Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/

    - Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/

    - Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/

    - Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/

    - Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb

    - CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/

    - innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/

    01:58 - Jay Izso Intro

    02:48 - Lessons From the Farm

    - Book: Lessons From the Farm - Jay Izso

    09:11 - Kindness as a Core Value

    14:37 - MasterClass Ad

    16:16 - The Electric Fence

    23:24 - I'll Figure It Out

    29:16 - Losing Your Ego

    34:40 - The Gift of Servitude

    37:07 - 100% Rule

    38:14 - I Was Wrong

    39:17 - Find Jay Izso Online

    - LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/coach-jay/

    40:14 - Book Recommendations

    - Human Hacking - Christopher Hadnagy

    - Iron-Sharpened Leadership - John L. Gronski

    - Success Mindsets - Ryan Gottfredson

    - The Creator Mindset - Nir Bashan

    42:11 - Mentors

    45:29 - Wrap Up & Outro

    - www.social-engineer.com

    - www.innocentlivesfoundation.org


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