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    The Social-Engineer Podcast

    The Social-Engineer Podcast is about humans. Understanding how we interact, communicate and relay information can help us protect, mitigate and understand social engineering attacks

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    Ep. 161 - Human Element Series - Do You Want To Go Fast Or Far with Amy Herman Jan 10, 2022
    Show notes

    This month Chris Hadnagy is joined by the fascinating Amy Herman. Amy is a lawyer and an art historian who uses works of art to sharpen observation, analysis, and communication skills. She developed her Art of Perception seminar in 2000 and since then has worked with the New York City Police Department, the FBI, Department of Defense, Fortune 500 companies and more. She is also a TED speaker and an author of 2 books. Her latest book, "Fixed: How to Perfect the Fine Art of Problem-Solving was just released in December of 2021. She is also going to be bringing her fascinating training seminar to the Human Behavior Conference this March! [January 10, 2022]

    00:00 – Intro

    • Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/
    • Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/
    • Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/
    • Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/
    • Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb
    • CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/
    • innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/
    • Human Behavior Conference – https://humanbehaviorcon.com/

    02:39 - Amy Herman Intro

    04:17 – Tell us how you got to where you are today

    07:12 – How did you get to the conclusion where two different people from the same class have different needs?

    10:00 – Is there an equation or secret about how an every day person can use that skill?

    13:33 – Amy's new book, "Fixed"

    15:00 – How did you come up with the concept of this book?

    18:00 – What is the hope you want for people who read this?

    19:52 – How has the past 18 months changed the concepts of visual intelligence?

    25:55 – Are you going to keep virtual training?

    29:50 – Being more empathetic and finding common ground

    32:31 – Can you explain "pertinent negative" from your book?

    35:34 – Tell the story about your book cover

    40:36 – Besides yours what are some of your favorite books?

    • (Amy's book) Fixed.: How To Perfect The Fine Art of Problem Solving
    • (Amy's book) Visual Intelligence: Sharpen Your Perception, Change Your Life
    • The Boys In The Boat – Nine Americans and Their Quest for the Gold - by Daniel James Brown

    43:27 – Who is your greatest mentor?

    • Angela Merkel

    45:15 – Guest Wrap Up

    Website: www.artfulperception.com

    Twitter: www.twitter.com/AmyhermanAOP

    Instagram: @AmyHermanAOP


    Ep. 160 - Security Awareness Series - Go To The Source So There's No Remorse with Adam Levin Dec 20, 2021
    Show notes

    This month, Chris Hadnagy and Ryan MacDougall are joined by Adam Levin. Adam is a nationally recognized expert on cybersecurity, privacy, identity theft, fraud, and personal finance and has distinguished himself as a fierce consumer advocate for the past 50 years. Adam is the former Director of the New Jersey Division of Consumer Affairs, and currently is the founder of CyberScout and co-founder of Credit.com. He is also author of the critically acclaimed book Swiped: How to Protect Yourself in a World Full of Scammers, Phishers, and Identity Thieves. Adam is also the host of the podcast What the Hack with Adam Levin,where they talk to fascinating people about the most terrifying things that ever happened to them in cyberspace. December 20, 2021

    00:00 – Intro

    • Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/
    • Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/
    • Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/
    • Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/
    • Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb
    • CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/
    • innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/
    • Human Behavior Conference – https://humanbehaviorcon.com/

    03:26 - Adam Levin Intro

    04:37 – How did you get started in the industry?

    07:42 – What has the shift been like in the types of attacks from the 90s until now?

    09:53 – How does the recent Robinhood breach tie into what we're discussing?

    12:00 – What should people be focusing on when they hear stories like this?

    14:28 – Do these simplistic solutions really work?

    18:45 – What type of advice would you give to companies that have public facing employees?

    20:22 – You said something interesting earlier, "the company has to deal with it empathetically". What does that mean to you?

    24:51 – Empathy, continued

    30:22 – What do you see coming in the near future, what types of scams will become popular?

    33:53 – What are some things people can look out for to avoid scams?

    38:20 – Do you find that catastrophe and the emotional factor is used to get people to fall for scams?

    41:39 – Finding Adam on the web:

    www.adamlevin.com

    https://adamlevin.com/what-the-hack/

    42:57 – What are some action steps corporations can take to protect themselves?

    45:13 – Who is your greatest mentor?

    • Virginia Long, director of Consumer Affairs
    • Ian Cohen – CEO of Lokker, a privacy company
    • Bill Tait – Vice Chairman at Humana
    • Jennifer Leuer – came from Experian

    47:40 – Book Recommendations

    • Condor – TV Show
    • Spy novels (none specifically suggested) authors: Tom Clancy, Brad Thor, Vince Flynn
    • Yellowstone – TV Show series
    • FBI series and all spinoffs

    49:16 – Outro

    • www.innocentlivesfoundation.org
    • www.social-engineer.com
    • www.pro-rock.com

    Ep. 159 - Human Element Series - Can You Fly A Helicopter with Anne-Maartje Oud Dec 13, 2021
    Show notes

    This month Chris Hadnagy is joined by our good friend, Anne-Maartje Oud. For 20 years Anne-Maartje has been a behavioral advisor, consultant, chairwoman, and keynote speaker. On top of that she is the CEO and founder of The Behavior Company based in Amsterdam where she helps customize personal development programs for companies and organizations worldwide.

    Anne-Maartje is also a trainer who gives lectures and training at several universities in the Netherlands. She is also going to be a trainer at the Human Behavior Conference in March 2022.

    [December 13, 2021]

    00:00 – Intro

    • Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/
    • Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/
    • Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/
    • Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/
    • Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb
    • CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/
    • innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/
    • Human Behavior Conference – https://humanbehaviorcon.com/

    03:12 – Anne-Maartje intro

    04:22 – What got you started in conflict resolution?

    06:23 – Can you teach people to control behavior that's based on emotion?

    08:53 – Before words come out, what would you tell someone to do to not react and show that emotion?

    12:30 – How do you start a conversation that leads to some benefit?

    15:35 – What if that doesn't work?

    17:41 – How do you instruct people to remember it all?

    19:51 – How important is understanding for managers and leaders?

    20:52 - How would you instruct managers to go about learning this?

    22:27 – Do you find that companies that have upper level management that focus on behavioral analysis have less conflict down the ladder?

    27:01 – HuBe Con – what will you do there?

    29:24 – Joe Navarro co session – what is that session all about?

    36:51 – Finding Anne Maartje on the web:

    www.twitter.com/BehaviourC

    www.twitter.com/annemaartjeoud

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/annemaartjeoud/

    www.behaviourcompany.eu

    37:39 – Book Recommendations:

    Shakespeare's Plays – favorite is Hamlet

    39:24 – Who would you consider your biggest mentors?

    Joe Navarro

    41:09 – Outro

    www.humanbehaviorcon.com

    www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

    www.pro-rock.com


    Ep. 158 - Security Awareness Series - Don't Act Old And Other Advice with Paul Asadoorian Nov 15, 2021
    Show notes

    This month, Chris Hadnagy and Ryan MacDougall are joined by Paul Asadoorian. Paul is the founder of Security Weekly, a security podcast network. Paul spends time "in the trenches" coding in Python, testing security products and evaluating and implementing open-source software. Paul's career began by implementing security programs for a lottery company and then a large university. As Product Evangelist for Tenable Network Security, Paul also built a library of materials on the topic of vulnerability management. When not hacking IoT devices, web applications or Linux, Paul can be found researching his next set of headphones, devices for smoking meat, and e-bikes. November 15, 2021.

    00:00 – Intro

    • Social-Engineer.com
    • Managed Voice Phishing
    • Managed Email Phishing
    • Adversarial Simulations
    • Social-Engineer channel on SLACK
    • CLUTCH
    • innocentlivesfoundation.org
    • Human Behavior Conference

    03:34 – Paul Asadoorian Intro

    05:08 – How did you get started in infosec?

    13:19 – When did you decide you were going to start a podcast?

    24:26 – What have you learned from the guests you've had on your podcasts over all of these years?

    27:00 – What is your perspective on the shifting of hacking culture in the community?

    34:53 – What are the best qualities someone could have to be attractive to a potential employer in this industry?

    37:14 – How do we get the younger generation to have the qualities we are not seeing?

    41:38 – Who is your greatest mentor?

    • Laurie Baker
    • Stephen Northcutt @ SANS
    • Ed Skoudis @ SANS

    46:00 – Book Recommendations

    • Code Girls
    • The Phoenix Project
    • The Unicorn Project
    • Countdown to Zero Day
    • The Cuckoo's Egg
    • Cyberpunk

    51:00 – Guest Wrap Up

    • https://securityweekly.com
    • www.twitter.com/securityweekly

    53:31 – Outro

    • innocentlivesfoundation.org

    Ep. 157 - Human Element Series - Turn Your Mess Into Your Message with Marilise de Villiers Nov 08, 2021
    Show notes

    This month, Chris Hadnagy is joined by Marilise de Villiers. Marilise is a mindset and performance coach, a TEDX speaker, and a cybersecurity awareness, culture, and talent expert. While at one time she was a female executive in a Big Four consulting firm she is now the founder and CEO of her own company, ROAR! Coaching and Consulting, which helps people find their purpose, their power, and gives people the courage to speak their truth. November 8, 2021

    00:00 – Intro

    • Social-Engineer.com
    • Managed Voice Phishing
    • Managed Email Phishing
    • Adversarial Simulations
    • Social-Engineer channel on SLACK
    • CLUTCH
    • innocentlivesfoundation.org
    • Human Behavior Conference

    04:35 – What made you leave an amazing corporate company and forge a path for yourself?

    08:09 – How did you escape the bad things in your life and turn into a person who helps other people find their strength?

    10:47 – How did you get out of the cycle of abuse?

    14:42 – Figuring out the role you play and taking back the power

    17:06 – Finding a hobby

    21:00 – How did you come upon this trifecta of things to better yourself?

    25:10 –What have you found is the overwhelmingly common problem that people have when you first start working with them on bettering themselves?

    27:56 – Changing your "self" view

    30:32 – What would be a suggestion to give someone to "start today"?

    34:35 – How do you suggest people find balance when most of us have spent most of our lives being imbalanced?

    37:20 – How has this life change for you affected your kids?

    38:55 – Who do you consider your greatest mentors?

    • Family: Mom, dad, grandmother, grandfather
    • Brendon Burchard
    • Tony Robbins
    • Dean Graziosi
    • Maya Camerota

    41:05 – What books would you recommend to our listeners?

    • Marilise's Book – Roar!: How To Tame The Bully Inside and Out
    • Radical Compassion – Tara Brach
    • Think And Grow Rich – Napoleon Hill
    • How To Break The Habit Of Being Yourself – Joe Dispenza
    • Unbound – Kasia Urbaniak

    --

    43:15 – How to find Marilise

    https://www.marilise-de-villiers.com

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/marilise-de-villiers-9184521a

    https://www.marilise-de-villiers.com/podcasts/roar-marilise-de-villiers

    44:40 – Outro

    • Social-Engineer.org
    • Social-Engineer.com
    • The Innocent Lives Foundation

    Ep. 156 - Security Awareness Series - Are You Speaking My Language with Les Correia Oct 18, 2021
    Show notes

    This month Chris Hadnagy and Ryan MacDougall are joined by Les Correia, who leads the evangelization of Estee Lauders Application Security. In his position Les wears many hats, but they are all worn with the mission of protecting Estee Lauders critical assets from the risk of a security breach. Prior to this, Les held Senior and Advisory roles providing thought leadership at companies such as AT&T and Lucent. Les also holds an MSc in Cyber Security as well as an exhaustive list of certifications. In his free time, Les pilots small aircraft and drives racecars. October 18, 2021

    00:00 – Intro

    www.social-engineer.com

    Managed Voice Phishing

    Managed Email Phishing

    Adversarial Simulations

    Social-Engineer channel on SLACK

    CLUTCH

    www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

    Human Behavior Conference – website coming soon

    05:10 – Les Correia Intro

    09:15 – How did you get into this industry?

    12:05 – How are you trying to be proactive in stopping breaches?

    14:00 – How important has top level support been?

    15:03 – How do you get other business units to give you time for what you're doing?

    16:30 – Understanding the business like a business consultant helps them know you care about that business unit

    20:19 Whisky

    24:08 – What kind of attacks have you seen in the wild that people need to be aware of?

    26:10 – How do we get people that may not think they can be a victim to understand these threats can still be against them?

    27:55 – Being a worldwide company, how do you translate your security processes through all those different cultures?

    32:01 – How important is it to have hobbies outside of your work?

    34:41 – How do you help your team deal with burnout when you have so much work on your plate?

    37:56 – Has there anyone you could consider your greatest mentor?

    Dr. Tafar

    INS (International Network Services)

    Dr. Patarsh

    Dr. Menamen – NYU

    39:32 – Book Recommendations

    • Thinking Fast and Slow
    • Seven Habits of Highly Effective People
    • Good To Great
    • Chris' Books

    41:57 – Guest Wrap Up

    42:20 – Reaching Les on social media: QvittlbBgZseL100xP0S

    linkedin.com/in/les-correia

    43:12 – Outro

    www.social-engineer.org

    www.social-engineer.com

    www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

    QvittlbBgZseL100xP0S

    QvittlbBgZseL100xP0S

    QvittlbBgZseL100xP0S


    Ep. 155 - Human Element Series - Positively Influencing Behavior Change with Jessica Barker Oct 11, 2021
    Show notes

    This month Chris Hadnagy is joined by Dr. Jessica Barker. Jessica is an award-winning global leader in the human side of cyber security. She is Co-Founder and co-CEO of Cygenta, where she follows her passion of positively influencing cyber security awareness, behaviour and culture in organisations around the world. Jessica was also named one of the top 20 most influential women in cyber security in the UK and is the former Chair of ClubCISO. She is the author of the best-selling book Confident Cyber Security: how to get started in cyber security and futureproof your career AND co-author of Cybersecurity ABCs: delivering awareness, behaviours and culture change. October 11, 2021.

    00:00 – Intro

    www.social-engineer.com

    Managed Voice Phishing

    Managed Email Phishing

    Adversarial Simulations

    Social-Engineer channel on SLACK

    CLUTCH

    www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

    04:21 - How did you get into cyber security?

    06:48 – What were you researching before all that?

    08:30 – How does human behavior influence technology?

    10:00 – How has Covid-19 and the world scene impacted us when it comes to security?

    14:26 – When we look on the internet at how aggressive people have gotten, and the anonymity has enabled people to be more terrible to each other, have you seen this aggression over the last 18 months affect security?

    17:20 - Bullying

    22:05 – Why is it looked at as "bad" to use bonuses when training people?

    28:00 – What are the most positive ways to do it right?

    32:37 – How would you suggest a company chooses the right "champion"?

    36:26 – Finding Jessica on the web:

    Twitter: @drjessicabarker

    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessica-barker/

    Instagram: @drjessicabarker

    www.cygenta.co.uk

    37:20 – Who is your greatest mentor?

    Jane Frankland – business leader in cyber security

    https://jane-frankland.com/in-security/

    39:37 - Favorite Books

    Confident Cyber Security: How to Get Started in Cyber Security and Futureproof Your Career

    Cybersecurity ABCs: Delivering awareness, behaviours and culture change

    Human Hacking – Chris Hadnagy

    Crime Dot Com – Geoff White

    The Optimism Bias – Tali Sharot

    Black Box Thinking – Matthew Syed

    43:26 – Outro


    Ep. 154 - Security Awareness Series - Whispering Sweet Security Nothings with Ed Skoudis Sep 20, 2021
    Show notes

    In this episode, Chris Hadnagy and Ryan MacDougall are joined by Ed Skoudis. Ed is a SANS Institute Fellow, Instructor, and Director of Cyber Ranges. He is the founder of Counter Hack, an innovative cyber security company that works as trusted information security advisors to government, military, and commercial enterprises by providing in-depth security architecture, penetration testing, red teaming, incident response, and digital forensics expertise. Ed frequently presents industry keynotes based on the latest attack vectors he identifies during his team's penetration testing projects, expert witness work on large-scale breaches, security research into late-breaking malware and exploits, and incident response engagements. Over his career, Ed has taught over 20,000 students in computer incident response and penetration testing. Ed and his team are also the creators of the SANS Holiday Hack Challenge, a free gift to the community every December challenging tens of thousands of people to build their cyber security skills in a fun, quirky adventure to save the holiday season. September 20, 2021

    00:00 – Intro

    www.social-engineer.com

    Managed Voice Phishing

    Managed Email Phishing

    Adversarial Simulations

    Social-Engineer channel on SLACK

    CLUTCH

    www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

    03:26 – Ed Skoudis Intro

    05:26 – How did you get started, how did you get into this field?

    09:18 – What do you looking for when building your team?

    10:47 – How long will you observe a person to determine if they have the integrity or skill that you want?

    12:44 – What advice would you give for companies to find people with the skill and integrity they need more quickly than observing them for 2-4 years?

    22:00 – "Nothing new" in social engineering vs infosec, which is constantly changing

    23:45 – Why do you feel experience like participating in CTF's are so valuable for people in this community?

    28:57 – What is your advice for people on how to find quality CTF's?

    www.holidayhackchallenge.com

    www.ctftime.org

    www.wechall.net

    https://opentoallctf.github.io/

    32:04 – How long does it take your team to construct these challenges?

    35:54 – If someone wants to sponsor this event, where can they go?

    www.holidayhackchallenge.com

    36:42 – Who are the colleagues or mentors that have been most influential to you, people you wouldn't be where you are today if not for them?

    Ed's Nana – Evelyn Hiddings

    Manager at Bellcore - Miriam Hernandez Cagle

    SANS instructor, founder of In Guardians - Mike Poor

    Security Expert - Johnny Long

    SANS founder – Alan Paller

    40:30 – What are some action steps corporations should start doing right now based on the advice you gave today to build a great team?

    Have a good corporate culture and leadership

    Be thoughtful and meaningful, make it fun, and challenge them

    Take input from your team and empower them

    43:09 – Do you have any advice for employees dealing with burnout, how to practice self-care, or other coping mechanisms?

    Monthly meeting with state of the business, business reflections

    Rituals – Get a bagel and call mom on Saturdays, morning walk, calling friends out of the blue

    Gratefulness – when stressed, pause and think about what you're grateful for

    Get off social media for a few days

    50:27 – Book Recommendation

    The Code Book by Simon Singh

    51:53 – Outro

    www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

    www.social-engineer.com


    Ep. 153 - Human Element Series - You Are Special And Other Lies With Cortney Warren Sep 13, 2021
    Show notes

    In this episode, Chris Hadnagy is joined by Dr. Cortney Warren. Dr. Warren is a Board-Certified Clinical Psychologist and former tenured Associate Professor of Psychology at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas (UNLV). She is an expert on addictions, self-deception, eating pathology, and the practice of psychotherapy from a cross-cultural perspective. In addition to publishing in some of the field's top scientific, peer-reviewed journals, Dr. Warren is passionate about bringing theoretically grounded, empirically-supported psychological research to the general public. So, in addition to her academic work, Dr. Warren is a research consultant, keynote speaker, and writes a blog for Psychology Today. September 13, 2021

    00:00 – Intro

    www.social-engineer.com

    Managed Voice Phishing

    Managed Email Phishing

    Adversarial Simulations

    Social-Engineer channel on SLACK

    CLUTCH

    www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

    02:10 – Cortney Warren Intro

    03:35 – How did you get started?

    07:28 – Why is it so hard to be honest with ourselves?

    10:01 – What gets the person from "it's easy to lie to myself" to "I'm readily open to admit this"

    13:25 – Admitting the truth is just the first step

    13:20 – There are certain ways humans lie to themselves. One of them is "The Specialness Fallacy"

    17:43 – How do people make the change in someone who doesn't want to make the change, they're not at that point yet?

    21:45 – Is self-deception the same in every culture?

    25:47 – Is there a particular culture that is more honest with themselves than others?

    28:12 – Why is bringing research to the public such a mission for you?

    31:41 – How do we make the change out of self-deception?

    41:30 – Have you helped people in abusive relationships with your methods?

    44:31 – When does your book come out?

    44:47 – How to reach Cortney:

    www.choosehonesty.com

    Email: cortneywarren@choosehonesty.com

    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/CortneySWarren

    Twitter: https://twitter.com/DrCortneyWarren

    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-cortney-s-warren-phd-abpp-a4188772/

    YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQGXD7Ms5oR3GzsPZl3Tjl_9qj71MezHj

    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cortneywarren/

    45:37 – Who is your greatest mentor?

    My mother, Karen J Warren

    48:25 – Favorite Books:

    Victor Frankl –Man's Search for Meaning

    50:16 – Outro

    www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

    www.social-engineer.com


    Ep. 152 - Security Awareness Series - Sharing With Your Frenemies with Bernie Acre Aug 16, 2021
    Show notes

    In this episode, Chris Hadnagy and Ryan MacDougall are joined by Bernie Acre. Bernie is the Chief Information Officer for the City of Bryan, TX where he's responsible for all technology and communications systems, including the Fire, Police, Public Works, the municipal electric utility, and a myriad of general support organizations. Bernie is currently an appointed Member of the Texas Cybersecurity Council. Bernie has a combined 41-years of experience in information technology; including 20+ in the US Air Force and 21 years in the electric utility industry and municipal government. August 16, 2021

    00:00 – Intro

    www.social-engineer.com

    Managed Voice Phishing

    Managed Email Phishing

    Adversarial Simulations

    Social-Engineer channel on SLACK

    CLUTCH

    www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

    03:34 – Bernie Acre Intro

    04:43 – How did your transition into this position take place?

    08:18 – What makes you proud of the culture that you created around employee awareness?

    12:25 – How do you get all senior management on board?

    14:24 – What did it take to find the people to make such a great team?

    15:35 – What were you looking for in these people

    17:15 – Setting the bar

    19:15 – Team Advocate vs. Adversary

    23:59 – Was your senior management always on board with being part of the testing?

    27:06 – So the third hour of their required training is something the employees choose?

    27:54 – Have you always had the philosophy that the security training you do at work should become personal?

    29:21 – What are three things you would tell someone beginning in the field to focus on?

    32:51 – Taking the time to grow

    34:49 – What do you do to help combat burn out? How about promoting self-care?

    37:31 – What lacks the most sometimes in an organization is communication

    37:43 – Who in this industry do you respect the most?

    • One of Bernie's commanders in the service, for overall leadership
    • For this industry:
    • Chris Hadnagy
    • Roger Grimes (KnowBe4)
    • Stu Sjouwerman (KnowBe4)
    • Kevin Mitnick (KnowBe4)

    40:13 – Book Recommendations

    • Winning America by Allan Eckert
    • All works by James Michener
    • Valor Across The Lone Star by Charles M. Neal

    43:55 – What got you so heavily into history?

    44:38 – Finding Bernie on the internet:

    • www.linkedin.com/in/bernie-acre-cgcio-7838375a/
    • www.bryantx.gov

    47:04 – Outro

    Thanks to Bernie

    www.innocentlivesfoundation.org


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