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    The Social-Engineer Podcast

    The Social-Engineer Podcast is about humans. Understanding how we interact, communicate and relay information can help us protect, mitigate and understand social engineering attacks

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    Ep. 173 - Human Element Series - Empathetic Chameleons and Painful Lobsters with Laurie Segall (Original Air Date: July 11, 2022) Jul 31, 2023
    Show notes

    (Original Air Date: July 11, 2022)

    Today Chris is talking with Laurie Segall. Laurie is the founder of Dot Dot Dot, a media company focused on onboarding the mainstream into a new era of the internet, Web3. Laurie is an award-winning journalist who has interviewed the world's most influential tech leaders including Mark Zuckerberg and Tim Cook. Prior, she was CNN's senior tech correspondent, covering technology and culture for a decade and a former reporter for 60 Minutes.

    00:00 - Intro

    - Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/

    - Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/

    - Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/

    - Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/

    - Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb

    - CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/

    - innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/

    03:23 - Laurie Segall intro

    04:20 - Starting your career in the "wee hours"

    07:54 - Was journalism always the goal?

    12:31 - Navigating chaos

    15:57 - Taking on Revenge Porn

    21:20 - What motivated you to write about your life so early?

    24:46 – Writing during the pandemic

    29:50 - How lobsters grow

    35:44 - Building a company

    38:40 - Wearing 2 hats

    40:54 - Who would you consider your biggest mentors?

    - CNN Digital – Susan Grant

    43:38 - Book Recommendations:

    - Slouching Towards Bethlehem - Joan Didion

    - (Laurie's book) Special Characters - Laurie Segall

    45:56 - Find Laurie Segall online

    - Website link: https://www.d3network.io/

    - Instagram: @LaurieSegall & @d3_network

    - Twitter: @LaurieSegall & @d3_network

    48:32 - Guest Wrap Up & Outro

    - www.social-engineer.com

    - www.innocentlivesfoundation.org


    Ep. 220 - The SE ETC Series -Social Engineering in Everyday Life with Patrick and Chris Jul 24, 2023
    Show notes

    Welcome to the Social-Engineer Podcast: The SE Etc. Series. This series will be hosted by Chris Hadnagy, CEO of Social-Engineer LLC, and The Innocent Lives Foundation, as well as Social-Engineer.Org and The Institute for Social Engineering. Chris will be joined by his co-host Patrick Laverty as they discuss topics pertaining to the world of Social Engineering. [July 24, 2023]

    00:00 - Intro

    00:18 - Patrick Laverty Intro

    00:53 - Intro Links

    - Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/

    - Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/

    - Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/

    - Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/

    - Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb

    - CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/

    - innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/

    12:40 - Todays Topic: Social Engineering in Everyday Life

    14:09 - A Controversial Definition

    18:30 - Purpose in Practice

    24:24 - Time for Tea

    28:16 – Dealers & Servers

    35:00 - The Power of Cookies

    36:49 - The Power of Trust

    38:21 - Another Principle of Influence

    39:03 - The Parent Trap

    40:00 - Next Month: ???

    40:17 - Wrap Up & Outro

    - www.social-engineer.com

    - www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

    Find us online

    - Chris Hadnagy

    - Twitter: @humanhacker

    - LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/christopherhadnagy

    - Patrick Laverty

    - Twitter: @plaverty9

    - LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/plaverty9


    Ep. 219 - Security Awareness Series - Involve Me and Ill Understand with Ganesh Krishnan Jul 17, 2023
    Show notes

    Today on the Social-Engineer Podcast: The Security Awareness Series, Ryan and Chris are joined by Ganesh Krishnan, a cybersecurity superhero with over 25 years of experience protecting the digital world from cyber threats. As a two-time founder with a track record of success at some of the world's top tech companies, he's earned a reputation as a thought leader at the forefront of cybersecurity. Now at the helm of Anzenna, his latest security startup, he's out to revolutionize the industry by making cybersecurity accessible to every employee, not just the security team. [July 17, 2023]

    00:00 - Intro

    01:01 - Intro Links:

    - Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/

    - Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/

    - Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/

    - Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/

    - Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb

    - CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/

    - innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/

    04:13 - Ganesh Krishnan Intro

    05:34 - Starting on the Path Towards History

    10:57 - The Importance of Trust

    14:17 - Breaking into an Establishment

    17:37 - Make It Personal

    18:58 - Changing Minds

    22:05 - Getting the Top on Board

    25:03 - Omnidirectional Communication

    27:38 - Be Visible

    29:48 - Mentors

    - Wife

    31:17 - Book Recommendations

    - Think Like a Rocket Scientist - Ozan Varol

    32:03 - Find Ganesh Krishnan online

    - LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/ganeshkrishnanlinkedin/

    - Twitter: twitter.com/gkparanoid

    - Website: https://www.anzenna.ai/

    32:32 - Explaining Anzenna

    35:35 - Wrap Up & Outro

    - www.social-engineer.com

    - www.innocentlivesfoundation.org


    Ep. 218 - Human Element Series - Adjusting Your Conscious Experience with Patrick McAndrew Jul 10, 2023
    Show notes

    Today we are joined by Patrick McAndrew. As the Founder & CEO of HARA, Patrick focuses on developing the whole person, knowing that high performance is determined by how you live – not just how you work.

    Patrick helps develop habits of mind to thrive in competitive environments. He has trained leaders and high-performing teams to bring more structure into their lives for greater: Focus; Energy; Productivity; Mental Resilience & Life Balance.

    With a background in corporate law, Patrick moved into sales, leading the expansion of BriteVenue across North America, the #1 venue software for weddings and events.

    In 2018, Patrick worked with Iris as a high performance coach and instructor to Hedge Funds, Investment Banks and MBA programs at Ivy League Universities. During the same period Patrick launched his first business - an audio marketing business which launched Spotify's first global audio marketing campaign to brands and agencies.

    In 2019, Patrick launched Momentum Mind, which would become HARA to help organizations develop the whole human. [July 10, 2023]

    00:00 - Intro

    00:17 - Intro Links

    - Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/

    - Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/

    - Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/

    - Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/

    - Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb

    - CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/

    - innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/

    03:03 - Patrick McAndrew Intro

    04:43 - Making Sense of the Path

    08:41 - Your Attention is All You Have

    14:31 - Our Issues with Paradox

    20:37 - Gaining Control of Our Attention

    24:29 - Trading Impact for Activity

    27:22 - Being Led by Values

    31:11 - Value-Driven Results

    32:57 - Making Space

    36:13 - A Break Needs to be a Break

    41:46 – Mentors:

    - Mother

    - Marshall McLuhan

    - John O'Donohue

    - L.M. Sacasas

    43:26 - Book Recommendations

    - Ancient Futures - Helena Norberg-Hodge

    - Stand Out of Our Light - James Williams

    - The Boy Who Was Raised as a Dog - Bruce D. Perry

    46:41 - Find Patrick McAndrew online

    - LinkedIn: in/patrickmcandrewonline/

    - Substack: theinnerlandscape.substack.com

    - Website: hara.co

    - Website: patrickmcandrew.co

    47:38 - Guest Wrap Up & Outro

    - www.social-engineer.com

    - www.innocentlivesfoundation.org


    Ep. 217 - The Doctor Is In Series - The Truth about Detecting Deception Jul 03, 2023
    Show notes

    Welcome to the Social-Engineer Podcast: The Doctor Is In Series – where we will discuss understandings and developments in the field of psychology.

    In today's episode, Chris and Abbie are discussing: Deception Detection. While there are many misconceptions about this topic, we are not completely in the dark; we are just not as good as we think. [July 3, 2023]

    00:00 - Intro

    00:18 - Dr. Abbie Maroño Intro

    01:18 - Intro Links

    - Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/

    - Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/

    - Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/

    - Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/

    - Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb

    - CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/

    - innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/

    04:44 - The Topic of the Day: Deception Detection

    06:15 - Lying About Lying

    09:20 - The Dangers of Being Wrong

    11:09 - The "What" is NOT the "Why"

    13:41 - The False Narrative of NLP

    18:37 - We Love a Myth

    21:33 - Mythbusters

    24:50 - That's Entertainment!

    26:17 - It's Not Deception, It's Stress

    31:40 - "We need to talk"

    33:11 - Lying in Order

    37:23 - Information is Key

    38:46 - The Need for a Big-Picture Approach

    41:00 - Shameless Plugs

    42:27 - Wrap Up

    43:21 - Next Month: Learned Helplessness

    44:35 - Outro

    - www.social-engineer.com

    - www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

    Find us online:

    - Twitter: https://twitter.com/abbiejmarono

    - LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/dr-abbie-maroño-phd-35ab2611a

    - Twitter: https://twitter.com/humanhacker

    - LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/christopherhadnagy

    References:

    Vrij, A. (2019). Deception and truth detection when analyzing nonverbal and verbal cues. Applied Cognitive Psychology, 33(2), 160-167.

    Vrij, A., Granhag, P. A., & Porter, S. (2010). Pitfalls and opportunities in nonverbal and verbal lie detection. Psychological science in the public interest, 11(3), 89-121.

    Vrij, A., Hartwig, M., & Granhag, P. A. (2019). Reading lies: Nonverbal communication and deception. Annual review of psychology, 70, 295-317.

    DePaulo, B.M. (2004). The many faces of lies. In A.G. Miller (Ed.), The social psychology of good and evil (pp. 303–236). New York: Guilford Press.

    DePaulo, B.M., Blank, A.L., Swaim, G.W., & Hairfield, J.G. (1992). Expressiveness and expressive control. Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin, 18, 276–285.

    DePaulo, B.M., Charlton, K., Cooper, H., Lindsay, J. L., & Muhlenbruck, L. (1997). The accuracy–confidence correlation in the detection of deception. Personality and Social Psychology Review, 1, 346–357.

    Ekman, P. (2001). Telling lies: Clues to deceit in the marketplace, pol[1]itics and marriage. New York: Norton. (Original work published 1985).

    Ekman, P., & Friesen, W.V. (1969). Nonverbal leakage and clues to deception. Psychiatry, 32, 88–106.

    Julia Hirschberg, Stefan Benus, Jason M. Brenier, Frank Enos, Sarah Friedman, Sarah Gilman, Cynthia Girand, Martin Graciarena, Andreas Kathol, Laura Michaelis, et al. 2005. Distinguishing deceptive from non-deceptive speech. In In Proceedings of In[1]terspeech 2005 - Eurospeech, pages 1833–1836.

    Tsikerdekis, M., & Zeadally, S. (2014). Multiple account identity deception detection in social media using nonverbal behavior. IEEE Transactions on Information Forensics and Security, 9(8), 1311-1321.

    O'Sullivan, M. (2005). Emotional intelligence and deception detection: Why most people can't "read" others, but a few can. Applications of nonverbal communication, 215-253.


    Ep. 216 - The SE ETC Series - Acting Your Way in Social Engineering with Curt Rosa Patrick and Chris Jun 26, 2023
    Show notes

    Welcome to the Social-Engineer Podcast: The SE Etc. Series. This series will be hosted by Chris Hadnagy, CEO of Social-Engineer LLC, and The Innocent Lives Foundation, as well as Social-Engineer.Org and The Institute for Social Engineering. Chris will be joined by his co-host Patrick Laverty as they discuss topics pertaining to the world of Social Engineering. [June 26, 2023]

    00:00 - Intro

    00:19 - Patrick Laverty Intro

    00:58 - Practical Application for Social Engineering

    02:37 - Intro Links

    - Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/

    - Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/

    - Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/

    - Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/

    - Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb

    - CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/

    - innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/

    04:53 - ILF News

    06:32 - Todays Topic: Acting Your Way in Social Engineering

    08:32 - Rosa Rowles & Curt Klump Intro

    09:52 - Dressing the Part

    14:22 - A Background Made for SE

    19:46 - Getting Out of Your Own Head

    20:46 - Alter Ego

    22:32 - Using Real Life as a Tool

    25:49 - When Your Alias is Real

    29:51 - Breaking Bad

    36:02 - Security Isn't Convenient

    37:57 - Keeping It Fresh

    42:43 - Being Helpful Helps

    45:15 - In the Classroom

    46:45 - Wrap Up

    47:28 - Next Month: Subscribe to Find Out

    48:05 - Outro

    - www.social-engineer.com

    - www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

    Find us online

    - Chris Hadnagy

    - Twitter: @humanhacker

    - LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/christopherhadnagy

    - Patrick Laverty

    - Twitter: @plaverty9

    - LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/plaverty9


    Ep. 215 - Security Awareness Series - Do You Live in the City of NO with Jason Rebholz Jun 19, 2023
    Show notes

    Today on the Social-Engineer Podcast: The Security Awareness Series, Ryan and I are joined by Jason Rebholz. Jason is the Chief Information Security Officer at Corvus Insurance. He has over a decade of experience performing forensic investigations into sophisticated cyber attacks and helping organizations build secure and resilient environments. As Corvus's CISO, Jason leverages his incident response, security, and infrastructure expertise to drive security strategy and reduce the risk of security threats internally at Corvus and for Corvus's policyholders. Prior to joining Corvus, Jason held leadership roles at Mandiant, The Crypsis Group, Gigamon, and MOXFIVE [June 19, 2023]

    00:00 - Intro

    01:03 - Intro Links:

    - Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/

    - Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/

    - Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/

    - Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/

    - Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb

    - CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/

    - innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/

    05:04 - Jason Rebholz Intro

    05:47 - How did you get to where you are?

    11:32 - Eating the Elephant

    12:53 - The Gospel of Ryan

    15:39 - Back to Basics

    16:49 - Finding the Right Alleyway

    20:32 - You're Allowed to Change Your Mind

    23:14 - The Right Tools for the Job

    24:58 - Maximizing ROI

    25:54 - The City of No

    27:11 - What's Bad MFA?

    29:41 - 3-2-1...1

    32:52 - Quality Fishing

    36:32 - Holistic Security Program

    39:07 - Realistic Expectations

    41:31 - Mentors

    - Steve Surdu

    42:58 - Book Recommendations

    - Atomic Habits – James Clear

    45:16 - Wrap Up

    - LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/jrebholz/

    - Youtube: www.youtube.com/@teachmecyber

    - Website: www.corvusinsurance.com/

    46:07 - Outro

    - www.social-engineer.com

    - www.innocentlivesfoundation.org


    Ep. 214 - Human Element Series - Augmented Reality and Thought Suppression with Dr. David Rawaf Jun 12, 2023
    Show notes

    Today we are joined by Dr. David Rawaf. Dr. Rawaf is a surgeon, researcher, technologist, innovator and policy developer. As well as studying and working in both UK and US, David is involved with Imperial College WHO Collaborating Centre (for Public Health Education & Training), as well as medical writing, research and hosting conferences. David has a role as Surgical Skill Faculty and is Centre Accredited by the Royal College of Surgeons. In addition, he is an abstract and content reviewer for a number of institutions including the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation amongst a number of other scientific societies. In addition, David is the Clinical Excellence Lead for Inovus Medical, the world-leaders in high-fidelity medical and surgical simulation, and beyond this is also heavily involved in medical device & software consulting, including validation, accreditation and approval through bodies such as the FDA. David is a Co-Executive Director for the International Organization for Reconstruction for war torn-countries, and a Director for QCapital Ventures specializing in tailored start-up advice including investment acquisition, financial & business-strategy and scale up methods. [June 12, 2023]

    00:00 - Intro

    00:34 - Intro Links

    - Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/

    - Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/

    - Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/

    - Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/

    - Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb

    - CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/

    - innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/

    03:18 - Dr. David Rawaf Intro

    05:01 - From Studies to Startups

    07:22 - Practice Makes Perfect

    09:16 - How do you "simulate" surgery?

    11:48 - Simulation Benefits

    14:47 - Redefining Fidelity

    19:16 - Augmented Over Virtual

    20:30 - Minority Report

    23:08 - Google Glass 2.0

    25:48 - Depressing Desire

    29:39 - Stop Thinking!

    35:33 - The Value of Support

    41:17 – Mentors

    - Professor Adrian Wilson

    - Professor Fares Haddad

    - Father

    - Late Uncle

    46:33 - Book Recommendations

    - The Genius Zone - Gay Hendricks

    - The 15 Commitments of Conscious Leadership - Jim Dethmer, Kaley Klemp & Diana Chapman

    50:02 - Find Dr. Rawaf online

    - LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/davidrawaf/

    - Twitter: twitter.com/DavidRawaf

    - David's Paper: Effect of Suppressing Thoughts of Desire to Smoke on Ratings of Desire to Smoke and Tobacco Withdrawal Symptoms

    50:51 - Guest Wrap Up & Outro

    - www.social-engineer.com

    - www.innocentlivesfoundation.org


    Ep. 213 - The Doctor Is In Series - Everything You Remember is False Jun 05, 2023
    Show notes

    Welcome to the Social-Engineer Podcast: The Doctor Is In Series – where we will discuss understandings and developments in the field of psychology.

    In today's episode, Chris and Abbie are discussing: False Memories. Although memory processes and systems usually operate reliably, they are sometimes prone to distortions and illusions. Today's discussion will examine how and why this happens. [June 5, 2023]

    00:00 - Intro

    00:20 - Dr. Abbie Maroño Intro

    01:02 - Intro Links

    - Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/

    - Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/

    - Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/

    - Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/

    - Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb

    - CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/

    - innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/

    07:43 - The Topic of the Day: False Memories

    08:11 - Defining Our Memories

    10:17 - Challenging Your Reality

    11:48 - Remember the Good Times

    13:01 - The Exception

    15:07 - Unintentional Ego Inflation

    17:27 - Putting it in Context

    18:46 - The Dangers of Distorting Memories

    23:19 - Not-So-Total Recall

    25:40 - Repression vs Suppression

    28:35 - Eyewitness Error

    32:10 - Shameless Plug: Ep. 134

    - Altered Memories and Alternate Realities with Dr. Elizabeth Loftus

    34:14 - Emotional Influence

    37:22 - How Accurate Are You???

    39:56 - Emotional Defense

    44:35 - Belief System

    47:48 - Don't Be Certain (Because You're Not)

    49:31 - Confirmation Bias

    52:39 - Simple Does Not Equal Easy

    54:08 - Shades of Grey

    56:38 - Wrap Up

    56:58 - Next Month: Deception Detection

    57:45 - Outro

    - www.social-engineer.com

    - www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

    Find us online:

    - Twitter: https://twitter.com/abbiejmarono

    - LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/dr-abbie-maroño-phd-35ab2611a

    - Twitter: https://twitter.com/humanhacker

    - LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/christopherhadnagy

    References:

    Damiano, C., & Walther, D. B. (2019). Distinct roles of eye movements during memory encoding and retrieval. Cognition, 184, 119-129.

    Robins, S. K. (2019). Confabulation and constructive memory. Synthese, 196, 2135-2151.

    Schacter, D. L. (2022). Constructive memory: past and future. Dialogues in clinical neuroscience.

    Murphy, G., Loftus, E. F., Grady, R. H., Levine, L. J., & Greene, C. M. (2019). False memories for fake news during Ireland's abortion referendum. Psychological science, 30(10), 1449-1459.

    Sedikides, C., & Skowronski, J. J. (2020). In human memory, good can be stronger than bad. Current Directions in Psychological Science, 29(1), 86-91.

    Otgaar, H., Howe, M. L., & Patihis, L. (2022). What science tells us about false and repressed memories. Memory, 30(1), 16-21.

    Loftus, E. F. (1993). The reality of repressed memories. American psychologist, 48(5), 518.

    Anderson, M. C., & Hulbert, J. C. (2021). Active forgetting: Adaptation of memory by prefrontal control. Annual review of psychology, 72, 1-36.

    Loftus, E. F., & Pickrell, J. E. (1995). The formation of false memories. Psychiatric annals, 25(12), 720-725.

    Otgaar, H., Candel, I., Merckelbach, H., & Wade, K. A. (2009). Abducted by a UFO: Prevalence information affects young children's false memories for an implausible event. Applied Cognitive Psychology: The Official Journal of the Society for Applied Research in Memory and Cognition, 23(1), 115-125.

    Otgaar, H., Candel, I., Scoboria, A., & Merckelbach, H. (2010). Script knowledge enhances the development of children's false memories. Acta Psychologica, 133(1), 57-63.


    Ep. 161 - Human Element Series - Do You Want To Go Fast Or Far with Amy Herman (Replay) May 29, 2023
    Show notes

    (Original Air Date: 01/10/2022)

    This month Chris Hadnagy is joined by the fascinating Amy Herman. Amy is a lawyer and an art historian who uses works of art to sharpen observation, analysis, and communication skills. She developed her Art of Perception seminar in 2000 and since then has worked with the New York City Police Department, the FBI, Department of Defense, Fortune 500 companies and more. She is also a TED speaker and an author of 2 books. Her latest book, "Fixed: How to Perfect the Fine Art of Problem-Solving was just released in December of 2021.

    00:00 – Intro

    - Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/

    - Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/

    - Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/

    - Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/

    - Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb

    - CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/

    - innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/

    - Human Behavior Conference – https://humanbehaviorcon.com/

    02:39 - Amy Herman Intro

    04:17 - Tell us how you got to where you are today

    07:12 - How did you get to the conclusion where two different people from the same class have different needs?

    10:00 - Is there an equation or secret about how an everyday person can use that skill?

    13:33 - Amy's new book, "Fixed" (put full title here)

    15:00 - How did you come up with the concept of this book?

    18:00 - What is the hope you want for people who read this?

    19:52 - How has the past 18 months changed the concepts of visual intelligence?

    25:55 - Are you going to keep virtual training?

    29:50 - Being more empathetic and finding common ground

    32:31 - Can you explain "pertinent negative" from your book?

    35:34 - Tell the story about your book cover

    40:36 - Besides yours what are some of your favorite books?

    - (Amy's book) Fixed.: How To Perfect The Fine Art of Problem Solving

    - (Amy's book) Visual Intelligence: Sharpen Your Perception, Change Your Life

    - The Boys In The Boat – Nine Americans and Their Quest for the Gold - by Daniel James Brown

    43:27 - Who is your greatest mentor?

    - Angela Merkel

    45:15 - Guest Wrap Up

    - Website: www.artfulperception.com

    - Twitter: www.twitter.com/AmyhermanAOP

    - Instagram: @AmyHermanAOP


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