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    Human Potential Lab

    For eleven years and 478 episodes, Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman hosted The Psychology Podcast, one of the most listened-to psychology shows in the world, with more than 30 million downloads. Human Potential Lab is what that show has become.

    The questions have moved. What is a mind? What makes something conscious? What happens to being human when the things we build start to look like minds themselves? Too much of the work is happening out of public view. In this new show, Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman sits down with the scientists, philosophers and technologists working at the frontier — the people whose work is actively deciding what we could become as a species.

    Scott Barry Kaufman is a cognitive scientist and the founder of the Center for Human Potential. He holds a Ph.D. from Yale and an M.Phil. from Cambridge, has taught at Columbia, NYU and the University of Pennsylvania, and is the author or editor of twelve books, including Transcend, Ungifted, Wired to Create and Rise Above. New episodes every other week from October 28, 2026.

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    Jim Tucker || The Science of Reincarnation Jun 16, 2022
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    Today we welcome Dr. Jim Tucker who is a child psychiatrist and the Bonner-Lowry Professor of Psychiatry and Neurobehavioral Sciences at the University of Virginia. He is Director of the UVA Division of Perceptual Studies, where he is continuing the work of Dr. Ian Stevenson on reincarnation. He has been invited to speak about his research on Good Morning America, Larry King Live, and CBS Sunday Morning. He recently published BEFORE: Children's Memories of Previous Lives, a 2-in-1 edition of his previous books.

    In this episode, I talk to Dr. Jim Tucker about the science of reincarnation. We delve into his research findings and methodology on children who claim to remember their previous lives. Dr. Tucker notes that these children don’t just recall biographical details of their past, but they also retain feelings and emotions. His findings have important implications for how we understand consciousness. We also touch on the topics of mortality, trauma, quantum physics, and panpsychism.

    Website: www.uvadops.org

    Facebook: /jimbtuckermd

    Topics

    02:15 Dr. Ian Stevenson’s research

    04:59 Psychophore

    06:39 Dr. Jim Tucker’s interest in reincarnation

    10:01 Past life statements and unusual play

    18:34 Announcing dreams, predictions, birthmarks

    25:13 Fraud, self-deception, fantasy

    30:18 Genetic memory

    34:21 Transfer of consciousness

    39:07 Why are past memories so fleeting?

    41:10 Are we all reincarnated?

    42:20 Death, trauma, and growth across lifetimes

    48:08 Panpsychism and multiverses

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    Whitney Goodman || Toxic Positivity Jun 09, 2022
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    Today we welcome Whitney Goodman, the radically honest psychotherapist behind the hugely popular Instagram account Sit With Whit. She is the owner of The Collaborative Counseling Center, a private therapy practice in Miami. Whitney has her own column in Psychology Today and has been featured in The New York Times, Teen Vogue, NY Magazine, Instyle, Good Morning America, and other publications. Her most recent book is called Toxic Positivity: Keeping It Real in a World Obsessed with Being Happy.

    In this episode, I talk to Whitney Goodman about toxic positivity. A happy outlook in life is a strength; but when taken too far, it can backfire and work against us. Positivity stops becoming helpful when we deny the realities of hardship and trauma. Whitney believes positivity is not the panacea to our problems—it needs to be applied in the right time, place, and purpose. She shares with us ways on how to be supportive without being dismissive of our own well-being and of others. We also touch on the topics of authenticity, gratitude, hope, relationships, and work.

    Website: sitwithwhit.com

    Instagram: @SitWithWhit

    Topics

    03:14 When positivity becomes toxic

    04:36 Pretending to be happy

    08:20 Do positive people always succeed?

    11:53 Changing toxic positivity

    15:33 Well-being > positive thinking

    21:31 Stop shaming yourself

    23:19 Realistic affirmations and organic gratitude

    27:11 How to complain effectively

    29:15 Ingredients of communication

    31:28 Discrimination with a smile

    35:10 A value-driven life

    40:20 It’s okay to just be

    41:18 Positive fantasy can be helpful

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    Mollie West Duffy || Big Feelings Jun 02, 2022
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    Today we welcome Mollie West Duffy who is an expert in organizational design, development, and leadership coaching. She’s helped advise and coach leaders and founders at companies including Casper, Google, LinkedIn, Bungalow, and Slack. She’s experienced in designing talent processes and systems, as well as organizational structures and behaviors, cultural values, and learning and development programs. Mollie is the author of the Wall Street Journal bestselling book No Hard Feelings. Her most recent book with Liz Fosslien is called Big Feelings: How To Be Okay When Things Are Not Okay.

    In this episode, I talk to Mollie West Duffy about how to navigate big feelings. Our emotion-phobic society has a lot of misconceptions about dealing with difficult emotions and what they mean. According to Mollie, big feelings can lead to a deeper understanding of ourselves if we sit with our emotions and work through them. Mollie and I share our personal experiences with depression and anxiety and how we coped. We also touch on the topics of anger, perfectionism, social comparison, burn out, and uncertainty.

    Website: molliewestduffy.com

    Twitter: @molliewest

    Topics

    01:43 Mollie and Liz’s collaborations

    05:08 How Big Feelings was published

    08:31 Our emotion-phobic society

    12:26 Illustrating emotions

    15:13 Myths about big feelings

    18:32 Emotional labor

    21:14 Anxiety, uncertainty, resilience

    25:03 Scott’s tips to manage anxiety

    29:48 Separate the “withins” from the “beyonds”

    32:14 Assess your tolerance of uncertainty

    36:26 Embrace comparison

    43:00 Mollie’s tips to manage depression

    48:30 Translate your anger

    50:43 Perfectionism isn’t as helpful as we think

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    John Kaag || How William James Can Save Your Life May 26, 2022
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    Today we welcome John Kaag, the Chair and Professor of philosophy at the University of Massachusetts Lowell. He received his Masters in Philosophy from Pennsylvania State University and his Ph.D. in Philosophy from the University of Oregon. His writing has been published in The Paris Review, The New York Times, and Harper’s Magazine. He is the author of Hiking with Nietzsche, American Philosophy: A Love Story, and his most recent book is Sick Souls, Healthy Minds: How William James Can Save Your Life.

    In this episode, my conversation with John Kaag revolves around the existential question we’ve all had: is life worth living? John expounds on William James’ answer of “maybe”. He shares about his near-death experience and how vulnerable moments in his life have led him to a more nuanced understanding of philosophy. We also touch on the topics of metaphysics, determinism, suffering, religion, and transcendence.

    Website: johnkaag.com

    Twitter: @JohnKaag

    Topics

    03:53 Existential anxiety, fear, freedom

    08:50 Is life worth living?

    11:14 Seizing control over existence

    14:23 Metaphysical chance is real

    17:36 The unseen order and human blindness

    25:43 “Living unnecessarily near our surface”

    30:18 Pragmatism, zest, authenticity

    33:26 Resignation or hope in the face of mortality

    38:10 Dissolution of the self

    42:26 Spiritual narcissism

    44:24 Companions in misery

    49:28 Melancholy among philosophers

    52:13 Life is for living

    53:41 The loving cup

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    Frans de Waal || Gender Through the Eyes of a Primatologist May 19, 2022
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    Today we welcome Dr. Frans de Waal, a Dutch American biologist and primatologist known for his work on the behavior and social intelligence of primates. He is a professor in Emory University's psychology department and the Director of the Living Links Center at the Yerkes National Primate Research Center. Chimpanzee Politics, The Age of Empathy, The Bonobo and the Atheist, and Mama's Last Hug are among his most popular books that have been translated in over 20 languages. His latest book is called Different: Gender Through the Eyes of a Primatologist.

    In this episode, I talk to Frans de Waal about sex and gender. As a primatologist, he shares his research findings on the biological differences between male and female primates. Despite obvious distinctions between masculine and feminine behavior, great apes have no trouble accepting non-binary individuals—a behavior we humans need to practice more of. Dr. Frans clears up what alpha male really means and debunks the “natural order” of male supremacy. We also touch on the topics of socialization, power, altruism, reproduction, and equality.

    Website: www.emory.edu/LIVING_LINKS

    Facebook: /franspublic

    Topics

    03:11 What is a primatologist?

    04:15 Biology in the gender debate

    08:42 Donna: the non-binary chimpanzee

    13:08 Dominance, power, and prestige

    17:12 Alpha males and alpha females

    20:50 Sex differences in play and aggression

    24:45 Gender identity and self socialization

    31:30 The Selfish Gene

    35:11 The evolution of the clitoris

    40:26 The stigma of female sexuality

    45:35 Extra-pair copulation and paternity testing

    50:35 Competition, rivalry, and conflict resolution

    54:54 Maternal instinct and xenophobia among primates

    59:03 Embodied cognition

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    Todd Rose (Part II) || Collective Illusions May 12, 2022
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    Today we welcome Todd Rose, the co-founder and president of Populace, a nonprofit think tank that works to find solutions to redistribute opportunity, so all people have the chance to live fulfilling lives in a thriving society. Prior to Populace, he was a faculty member at Harvard University where he founded the Laboratory for the Science of Individuality and directed the Mind, Brain, and Education program. Todd is the best-selling author of Dark Horse and The End of Average. and his most recent book is called Collective Illusions.

    For part two of our interview, I talk to Todd Rose about collective illusions. Humans are a tribal species, prone to conformity. In a lot of instances, we will act according to what our in-group wants rather than what we want as individuals. Ironically, Todd's research shows that we make poor inferences about the majority consensus. Failing to recognize collective illusions can have negative consequences on our identities, relationships, values, and society. To avoid falling into conformity traps, Todd encourages us to live congruent private and public lives that adhere to our personal convictions.

    Website: www.toddrose.com

    Twitter: @ltoddrose

    Topics

    03:10 What is a collective illusion?

    06:16 Social media and perceived consensus

    13:38 Self-fulfilling political polarization

    19:10 Socializing the concept of collective illusions

    20:49 Gender bias in politics

    22:59 Conformity traps in groups and relationships

    28:15 Do republicans think the 2020 elections were rigged?

    31:32 Preference falsification and manipulation

    36:22 The need for belonging and self-expression

    38:26 False expectations distort relationships

    39:48 Congruence, positive deviance, and authentic responsibility

    46:54 Norms as checking mechanisms

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    Todd Rose (Part I) || Rethinking Intelligence May 05, 2022
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    Today we welcome Todd Rose, the co-founder, and president of Populace, a nonprofit think tank that works to find solutions to redistribute opportunity, so all people have the chance to live fulfilling lives in a thriving society. Prior to Populace, he was a faculty member at Harvard University where he founded the Laboratory for the Science of Individuality and directed the Mind, Brain, and Education program. Todd is the best-selling author of Dark Horse, The End of Average, and his most recent book is called Collective Illusions.

    For part one of our interview, I talk to Todd Rose about intelligence. From both history and research, we know that standardized tests made the false assumption that an average baseline of intelligence can be captured through IQ. Until today, our education system continues to value general cognitive ability over more specific skills. Instead of focusing on test scores, Todd asks us to look at jagged profiles so we can create environments where everyone can thrive. To truly cultivate human potential, Todd asserts that we need to rethink our traditional frameworks about intelligence.

    Website: www.toddrose.com

    Twitter: @ltoddrose

    Topics

    01:50 Dropping out of high school

    04:20 Kurt Fischer’s Dynamic Skill Theory

    09:33The problem with standardized testing

    12:00 Jagged profiles matter more than IQ scores

    15:26 There is no aptitude without strategy

    22:54 Everybody is capable of excellence

    23:58 Changes to improve our school system

    28:23 Education transforms lives

    33:59 How Todd got into an honors program

    40:46 The bell curve of intelligence

    43:22 Stop pathologizing natural human variation

    47:40 IQ limits our view of human potential

    58:43 Individual contribution over cognitive ability

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    Dan Pink || Normalize Regret Apr 28, 2022
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    Today we welcome Dan Pink who is the New York Times bestselling author of When, Drive, A Whole New Mind, and To Sell is Human. Dan’s books have won multiple awards, have been translated into 42 languages, and have sold millions of copies around the world. His articles and essays have also appeared in The New York Times, Harvard Business Review, The Atlantic, Slate, and other publications. His most recent book is called The Power of Regret: How Looking Backward Moves Us Forward.

    In this episode, I talk to Dan Pink about regret. Dan collected regrets from over 15,000 people across different countries and sorted them into four major categories. He shares insights from his research and shows us how to reframe regret so we can live out the rest of our lives with more authenticity and purpose. We also touch on the topics of happiness, mortality, philosophy, post-traumatic growth, and personality.

    Website: www.danpink.com

    Twitter: @DanielPink

    Topics

    02:52 The universality of regret

    05:40 Demographic differences in regrets

    11:53 Free will and fatalism

    15:47 What could have beens

    19:13 Action vs inaction

    24:12 The four core regrets

    28:40 Regret done right

    36:04 Debunking “No regrets”

    37:59 We don’t talk enough about mortality

    41:20 Deathbed regrets

    42:38 Regret and gratefulness

    45:40 Treat yourself with kindness

    47:30 Shame, guilt, remorse

    48:21 Do public figures experience more regret?

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    Lisa Miller || The Awakened Brain Apr 21, 2022
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    Today we welcome Dr. Lisa Miller, the founder and director of the Spirituality Mind Body Institute. Her innovative research has been published in more than one hundred peer-reviewed articles in leading journals, including Cerebral Cortex, The American Journal of Psychiatry, and the Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry. She is the New York Times bestselling author of The Spiritual Child and The Awakened Brain.

    In this episode, I talk to Lisa Miller about the new science of spirituality. Despite what skeptics might believe, science and spirituality don’t necessarily contradict each other. Lisa’s research has found that humans are born with a natural capacity to connect with the spiritual. By being open to the transcendent, our brains can reap the benefits of resiliency, creativity, and more. We also touch on the topics of neuroscience, existentialism, mindfulness, and empiricism.

    Website: www.lisamillerphd.com

    Twitter: @lisamillerphd

    Topics

    01:34 The Awakened Brain

    06:14 Conversations with Martin Seligman

    13:20 The spiritual child

    15:16 Science augments spirituality

    17:26 Defining spirituality and devotion

    25:04 Personality correlations with spirituality

    27:25 A monism approach to consciousness

    31:27 Searching for life’s meaning

    37:08 Schumann resonances

    39:56 Religious war is outdated

    43:34 Transcendence is a process

    46:57 Meditation practice with Lisa

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    Carl Hart || Drug Use for Grown-Ups Apr 14, 2022
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    Today we welcome Carl Hart. He is the Ziff Professor of Psychology in the Departments of Psychology and Psychiatry at Columbia University. He is known for his research on neuropsychopharmacology and his advocacy for the decriminalization of recreational drugs. Carl is the author of High Price and has co-authored the introductory textbook Drugs, Society, and Human Behavior with Charles Ksir. His most recent book is called Drug Use for Grown-Ups.

    In this episode, I talk to Carl Hart about drug use and addiction. Society is quick to judge all drug users as addicts but Carl’s research found that the majority of drug users do not meet the criteria for pathology. Recreational drugs, when used responsibly, can have positive effects on people. Instead of waging a war on drugs, Carl advocates for laws that better regulate the production and sale of substances. We also touch on the topics of health, law, racism, cognition, and sociology.

    Website: drcarlhart.com

    Twitter: @drcarlhart

    Topics

    02:32 Carl’s interest in neuropsychopharmacology

    06:12 The brain disease model of addiction

    11:22 Should we talk about drugs with kids?

    13:47 Responsible drug use for grown-ups

    17:08 Drugs in pursuit of happiness

    22:54 The Harrison Narcotics Tax Act

    29:28 Scott’s experience with edibles

    33:21 Why we need drug checking facilities

    37:01 The drug user tropes in media

    41:59 Predictors of drug abuse and addiction

    46:42 Drug overdose and safety

    50:09 Personal responsibility in drug addiction

    52:45 Our moralism is killing us

    55:06 Coming out as a heroin user

    57:52 Bob Marley and James Baldwin

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