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    Human Potential Lab

    For eleven years and 478 episodes, Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman hosted The Psychology Podcast, one of the most listened-to psychology shows in the world, with more than 30 million downloads. Human Potential Lab is what that show has become.

    The questions have moved. What is a mind? What makes something conscious? What happens to being human when the things we build start to look like minds themselves? Too much of the work is happening out of public view. In this new show, Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman sits down with the scientists, philosophers and technologists working at the frontier — the people whose work is actively deciding what we could become as a species.

    Scott Barry Kaufman is a cognitive scientist and the founder of the Center for Human Potential. He holds a Ph.D. from Yale and an M.Phil. from Cambridge, has taught at Columbia, NYU and the University of Pennsylvania, and is the author or editor of twelve books, including Transcend, Ungifted, Wired to Create and Rise Above. New episodes every other week from October 28, 2026.

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    Skye Cleary || Simone de Beauvoir and the Quest for Authentic Living Aug 25, 2022
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    Today we welcome philosopher Skye Cleary. She is a lecturer at Columbia University and the City College of New York. Skye is the author of Existentialism and Romantic Love and co-editor of How to Live a Good Life. Her writing has appeared in The Paris Review, Aeon, Business Insider, TED-Ed, and The Los Angeles Review of Books, among other outlets.

    In 2021, she was a MacDowell Fellow and In 2017, she won the New Philosopher Writers’ Award. Her latest book is called How to Be Authentic.

    In this episode, I talk to Skye Cleary about Simone de Beauvoir’s life and how it has informed her existentialist philosophy. As a feminist during the forties, Simone was passionate about freedom of choice. It's not a surprise then that her definition of authenticity also revolves around self-determination. Authenticity is not about finding a true self, but rather a process of creating who we want to be. We also touch on the topics of gender, power, social justice, narcissism, and fulfillment.

    Website: skyecleary.com

    Twitter: @Skye_Cleary

    Topics

    01:54 French existentialist philosophy

    04:05 “One is not born, but rather becomes, woman”

    09:58 Creating our essence

    12:46 Transcending our impulses

    18:01 Creative rebellion

    22:19 Skye’s Critique of Simone de Beauvoir

    24:03 Authenticity is responsible freedom

    27:33 Power and freedom

    32:00 Skye’s background in philosophy

    33:15 Intersubjectivity: the foundation of ethical relations

    34:48 Inauthenticity, social media, narcissism

    38:37 Windows of freedom, genetics, motherhood

    41:38 Fulfillment is embracing life

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    Colin Seale || Tangible Equity in Education Aug 18, 2022
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    Today we welcome Colin Seale, the founder and CEO of thinkLaw. Colin was born and raised in Brooklyn, New York, where his struggles gave birth to his passion for educational equity. Using lessons from his experience as a math teacher, attorney, and keynote speaker, he helps educators teach critical thinking to all students, regardless of race or achievement through his award-winning organization thinkLaw. Colin is also the author of Thinking Like a Lawyer. His latest book is called Tangible Equity.

    In this episode, I talk to Colin Seale about tangible equity in education. For Colin, real equity work should help reduce the predictive power of demographics on outcomes. In order to do that, we need to teach kids how to think for themselves, so they learn to question instead of comply with unfair systems. Colin shares concrete actions that educators can take to contribute towards tangible equity. We also touch on the topics of privilege, race, bias, and gifted education.

    Website: thinklaw.us

    Twitter: @ColinESeale

    Topics

    02:55 What is tangible equity?

    05:28 Reforming the pathways to success

    09:33 Why equity has become a challenge

    16:42 The pressure of success and compliance

    18:56 Critical race theory in schools

    25:01 Understanding race and privilege

    30:53 Colin as a keynote speaker

    35:15 Leveraging privilege for equity

    36:39 We all have power

    41:50 Disrupting gifted education

    49:24 Shatter the ceiling of education

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    Josh Szeps || Thinking Freely Aug 11, 2022
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    Today we welcome Josh Szeps who is a television, radio and podcast host who shakes up the status quo with his fierce intellect and infectious sense of humor. Josh's interviews with prominent figures and celebrities like Jane Goodall, Ron Howard, Russel Brand, and Neil Patrick Harris have attracted billions of online views and sold out event tickets. Currently, he can be heard on ABC Radio Sydney and on his award-winning podcast Uncomfortable Conversations.

    In this episode, I talk to Josh Szeps about what it means to think freely. In this social media age, it's become increasingly challenging to become an independent thinker. Our tribal nature and online echo chambers tend to reinforce ideologies we already believe in. Even the way we talk sounds scripted! Josh and I discuss how to genuinely search for truth so we can broaden our worldviews. We also touch on the topics of intersectionality, wokeism, ethics, and racism.

    Website: linktr.ee/joshszeps

    Twitter: @joshzepps

    Topics

    02:35 Are we living in a simulation?

    10:39 The clique of provocateurs

    16:58 Compromise through conversation

    23:27 The excess of wokeism

    27:01 Moral foundations and disgust

    31:36 Racism in the gay community

    35:11 Reverse racism

    37:00 Respecting individual identity over group identity

    43:16 Should we be proud of intrinsic attributes?

    49:08 Scripted ideologies

    51:40 How to overcome binary thinking

    58:01 Pushing limits through radical curiosity

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    Hitendra Wadhwa || Inner Mastery, Outer Impact Aug 04, 2022
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    Today we welcome Hitendra Wadhwa, Professor of Practice at Columbia Business School where he teaches Columbia’s most popular leadership course, the award-winning “Personal Leadership & Success.” Hitendra is also the founder of Mentora Institute, which is at the forefront of creating a new model of leadership that is agile, authentic, and attainable. Hitendra’s research and teaching on personal leadership have been covered by Forbes, Fortune, CNN, Psychology Today, Wall Street Journal and others. He is the author of Inner Mastery, Outer Impact.

    In this episode, I talk to Hitendra Wadhwa about personal development. Growth is often associated with the mastery of skills. But Hitendra reminds us that inner work is also growth. The internal battles we face lead us to become more attuned to our most authentic selves. In order to unlock our full potential, Hitendra shares with us Five Core Energies and how to activate them. We also touch on the topics of leadership, service, purpose, and transcendence.

    Website: www.hitendra.com

    Twitter: @HitendraWadhwa

    Topics

    02:31 Hitendra’s background and upbringing

    06:16 Personal leadership

    09:23 Public leadership

    13:44 Ashoka the Great

    18:01 Dominion over yourself

    21:30 Authenticity and our real selves

    27:05 Core Energy: Purpose

    29:33 Core Energy: Wisdom

    30:48 Core Energy: Growth

    32:04 Core Energy: Love

    33:33 Core Energy: Self-Realization

    37:34 Conceptualizing the Five Core Energies

    39:50 Living vs leading

    43:41 The mystic in all of us

    48:22 From inner dominance to inner surrender

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    Kristi Nelson || Wake Up Grateful Jul 28, 2022
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    Today we welcome Kristi Nelson, the executive director of A Network for Grateful Living. Her life’s work in the non-profit sector has focused on leading, inspiring, and strengthening organizations committed to progressive social and spiritual change. Being a long-time stage IV cancer survivor moves her every day to support others in living and loving with great fullness of heart. She is the author of Wake Up Grateful: The Transformative Practice of Taking Nothing for Granted.

    In this episode, I talk to Kristi Nelson about gratefulness. She differentiates gratefulness from gratitude by describing the former as an orientation towards life, without being dependent on internal or external circumstances. Kristi shares with us the practice of Stop, Look, Go and her five guiding principles that can inspire you to live a life of gratefulness. We also touch on the topics of positive psychology, mindfulness, play, and self-compassion.

    Website: gratefulness.org

    Topics

    03:01 Kristi’s cancer diagnosis

    04:17 Gratitude vs gratefulness

    08:50 Gratefulness during hard times

    12:37 Reclaim play, curiosity, courage

    15:58 Life is a gift

    18:08 Everything is a surprise

    20:41 The ordinary is extraordinary

    23:48 Appreciation is generative

    26:55 Say yes to your life

    32:46 Love is transformative

    34:35 Stop, Look, Go

    38:18 Befriending our full selves

    40:43 Leaving a grateful legacy

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    Mark Manson || Podcast Improv Jam Jul 21, 2022
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    Today we welcome three-time #1 New York Times bestselling author Mark Manson. Before becoming an author, he was a blogger. His blog started in 2007 and within a few years it was being read by more than a million people each month. Today, his site is read by more than 15 million people each year. Mark’s books have sold over 14 million copies worldwide and have been translated into more than 65 languages. According to Amazon Charts, his book The Subtle Art of Not Giving A F*ck was the most-read non-fiction book worldwide in 2017.

    For this episode, we did something a little different. Mark Manson and I had an unstructured chat about issues that we both care deeply about. We tackled all sorts of questions like: What makes social media so polarizing? Why are self-help quotes so cheesy? Are all pick-up artists narcissists? Does free will exist? We hope you enjoy the conversation about relationships, politics, self-esteem, and neurodiversity as much as we did.

    Website: markmanson.net

    Twitter: @IAmMarkManson

    Topics

    02:03 Mark and Scott as adolescents

    04:30 Online discourse in a hyper-connected world

    11:36 Troll behavior and non-verbal cues

    17:18 Extreme curiosity and criticism of politics

    25:00 Mark hates Tiny Buddha?

    29:59 The self-help industry

    33:24 Neurodiversity and empathy

    39:30 Are all traits double-edged swords?

    46:26 Co-dependency of grandiose and vulnerable narcissists

    54:48 Scott’s unique value proposition

    57:08 The bachelor life vs the married life

    1:04:22 Co-writing Will Smith’s biography

    1:08:53 Free will, law and punishment

    1:12:53 Overrated or underrated: meditation

    1:15:49 Overrated or underrated: twin studies

    1:18:31 Overrated or underrated: self-esteem

    1:21:22 Overrated or underrated: social media

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    Michael Bungay Stanier || How to Begin Jul 14, 2022
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    Today we welcome Michael Bungay Stanier, the Founder of Box of Crayons. He is the author of the best-selling book The Coaching Habit, with over a million copies sold. He was a Rhodes Scholar and in 2019 was named the #1 thought leader in coaching. Michael has a masters degree in Philosophy from Oxford, a law degree and a BA with highest honors from the Australian National University. His latest book is called How to Begin.

    In this episode, I talk to Michael Bungay Stanier about how to begin. When we set goals, the most popular framework that often comes to mind is the idea of SMART goals. Instead of starting with what’s measurable, Michael urges us to start with what’s important. He shares his criteria for identifying what a worthy goal is, as well as advice on how to stay committed to that worthy goal. We also touch on the topics of coaching, empathy, change, and community.

    Website: www.mbs.works

    Twitter: @mbs_works

    Topics

    02:22 About Box of Crayons

    03:20 Michael’s interest and expertise in coaching

    07:15 The Coaching Habit

    12:20 “SMART goals are dumb”

    16:32 What is a worthy goal?

    23:19 The magic is in the drafting

    25:50 Before action, learn to commit

    30:27 Adaptive change vs technical change

    33:01 Calling in the directions

    37:51 Stick with the journey

    43:20 Celebrate the journey

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    Steve Magness || Real Toughness Jul 07, 2022
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    Today we welcome back Steve Magness who is a world-renowned expert on high performance. He has been a consultant on mental skills development for professional sports teams, including some of the top teams in the NBA. Steve is the co-author of Peak Performance, The Passion Paradox, and the author of The Science of Running. Collectively, his books have sold more than a quarter-million copies in print, ebook, and audio formats. His latest book is called Do Hard Things.

    In this episode, I talk to Steve Magness about real toughness. The prevailing narrative around achievement extols the merits of unrelenting resolve. To show vulnerability is to show weakness. According to Steve, the hyperfocus on external bravado is detrimental to performance and mental health. He outlines his four core pillars of resilience to replace our broken model of toughness. We also touch on the topics of stoicism, self-esteem, emotions, mindfulness, and sports psychology.

    Website: stevemagness.com

    Twitter: @stevemagness

    Topics

    04:49 Why machismo is so popular

    08:47 UFC vs artistic swimming

    14:15 Ditch the facade, embrace reality

    19:31 Accept what you’re capable of

    24:24 Know when to grit and when to quit

    26:38 Listen to your body

    31:34 Do hard things more efficiently

    35:17 Steve’s 4 minute mile

    39:42 Personal wins

    43:12 Respond, instead of react

    47:12 Transcend discomfort

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    Alexi Robichaux || The Future of Coaching Jun 30, 2022
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    Today we welcome Alexi Robichaux who is the co-founder and CEO of BetterUp, a mobile platform that brings together world-class coaching, AI technology, and behavioral science to deliver sustainable positive change. Alexi is also the Chairman of Youth Leadership America (YLA). They have collaborated with leading companies including Disney, Google, and Hilton Hotels to coach and mentor future leaders. Alexi holds a B.A. in political science and non-profit management with summa cum laude distinction from the University of Southern California.

    In this episode, I talk to Alexi Robichaux about the future of coaching. There are countless ways to practice coaching, but Alexi believes coaching must be rooted in science-backed techniques for reliable outcomes—which is precisely what they do at BetterUp. Coaching is not a replacement for therapy, but it can help individuals become more resilient and purposeful in their daily lives. We also touch on the topics of self-actualization, flow, languishing, imagination, and Alexi’s vision for the future of coaching.

    Website: www.betterup.com

    Twitter: @arobichaux

    Topics

    04:06 What is coaching?

    07:30 Better Up’s coaching model

    10:26 Coaching vs therapy

    14:37 What good coaching looks like

    19:40 Peak experiences and dichotomy transcendence

    25:22 Research and innovation as a for-profit business

    30:39 Humanistic coaching philosophy

    32:45 How to overcome languishing

    37:10 Better Up Labs

    41:40 Alexi’s current coaching practice

    44:30 The future of coaching

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    Christine Robinson || Community Psychology Jun 23, 2022
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    Today we welcome Christine Robinson who is an executive coach, consultant, facilitator, and strategist whose expertise lies in building pathways to policy and systems change. She has worked as a consultant to the White House, the Ford Foundation, Harvard Medical School, the Lumina Foundation and other notable organizations. Christine studied at Vassar College, Brandeis University, and the University of Pennsylvania, and is trained as a developmental and community psychologist.

    In this episode, I talk to Christine Robinson about community psychology. In order to nurture a culture of well-being, Christine says it’s crucial to acknowledge the multifaceted identities of individuals. Instead of seeing marginalized groups as “others”, she encourages us to view diversity as a valuable asset to society. We need to listen to everyone’s perspective before we can bring forth social change and co-create an inclusive and equitable community.

    Website: christinerobinsonconsulting.com


    Topics

    02:44 What is community psychology?

    06:59 Urie Brofenbenner’s ecological systems theory

    13:58 Community well-being and collective efficacy

    18:24 Intersectionality of social identities

    24:41 Socialization and meaning making

    27:30 Othering - a barrier to well being

    34:25 Intersectional equity

    40:53 The paradox of differences

    50:20 Inclusive society psychology

    55:28 Co-creation and capacity building

    58:41 Negative impacts of discrimination

    1:01:56 Cultural intelligence and competence

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