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    The Pain Trade Podcast

    The Pain Trade Podcast — what it costs, and what it pays.

    In markets, the pain trade is the position that hurts to hold, and pays because it hurts. Every field has one: the last rep, the lean years, the comeback nobody expected.

    Weekly in-studio conversations with people who overcame what should have broken them — in business, in markets, in health, in life.

    Hosted by Michael A. Gayed, CFA — active portfolio manager, five-time Dow Award winner, founder of Lead-Lag Media, and publisher of The Lead-Lag Report.

    Health, fitness, finance, entrepreneurship, and the struggle that connects them. New episodes weekly.

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    Brian Drubetsky: Unlocking Small Cap Potential Mar 06, 2025
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    Dive into the intricacies of small-cap investing as Michael Gayed and Brian Drubetsky explore the current economic landscape and its implications for market opportunities. With interest rates being a pivotal factor for many small-cap firms, our discussion unpacks the latest trends in earnings growth and the potential for favorable shifts in monetary policy.
    From analyzing the essential characteristics that can help small-cap stocks thrive, to recognizing the undervalued opportunities in sectors like consumer discretionary and real estate, this episode aims to equip you with the knowledge to recognize and seize upcoming market trends. As we uncover the transformative influence of technology and automation on small caps, listeners will gain a better understanding of how to navigate this often-overlooked segment of the market effectively.
    Join us as we dissect key questions surrounding the future of small caps, from their historical performance to robust strategies for capitalizing on growth. Don't miss this insightful episode—subscribe, leave a review, and share your thoughts! Your engagement is invaluable as we continue to explore the evolving world of finance together.

    DISCLAIMER – PLEASE READ: This is a sponsored episode for which Lead-Lag Publishing, LLC has been paid a fee. Lead-Lag Publishing, LLC does not guarantee the accuracy or completeness of the information provided in the episode or make any representation as to its quality. All statements and expressions provided in this episode are the sole opinion of Cullen Capital and Lead-Lag Publishing, LLC expressly disclaims any responsibility for action taken in connection with the information provided in the discussion. The content in this program is for informational purposes only. You should not construe any information or other material as investment, financial, tax, or other advice. The views expressed by the participants are solely their own. A participant may have taken or recommended any investment position discussed, but may close such position or alter its recommendation at any time without notice. Nothing contained in this program constitutes a solicitation, recommendation, endorsement, or offer to buy or sell any securities or other financial instruments in any jurisdiction. Please consult your own investment or financial advisor for advice related to all investment decisions.

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    Investing Like a Yale Endowment: Secrets Revealed with Meb Faber Mar 03, 2025
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    Dive into the intriguing world of endowment investing as we explore the performance strategies of Yale University, one of the top-performing institutions. With unique insights from experts, we dissect why Yale's model has consistently outperformed traditional portfolio allocations and what lessons everyday investors can apply to their financial strategies.
    In this episode, we take you through an analysis of Yale's innovative investment strategies, including their remarkable asset allocation, which noticeably differs from common practices. You’ll learn about the advantages of tax-exempt investing, and how these long-term strategies can serve as guiding principles for individual investors looking to optimize their own portfolios.
    We also introduce the concept of the Endowment ETF, a new vehicle that aims to democratize access to sophisticated investment strategies previously reserved for elite investors. By providing an opportunity for diversification and efficiency, this ETF could reshape the current landscape, allowing more people to benefit from strategies that have stood the test of time.
    Join us as we navigate critical market trends and discuss investor psychology throughout various political landscapes. This episode not only informs but also inspires listeners to reconsider their approaches to investing. Subscribe now to ensure you never miss a chance to enhance your financial literacy!

    DISCLAIMER – PLEASE READ: This is a sponsored episode for which Lead-Lag Publishing, LLC has been paid a fee. Lead-Lag Publishing, LLC does not guarantee the accuracy or completeness of the information provided in the episode or make any representation as to its quality. All statements and expressions provided in this episode are the sole opinion of Cambria and Lead-Lag Publishing, LLC expressly disclaims any responsibility for action taken in connection with the information provided in the discussion. The content in this program is for informational purposes only. You should not construe any information or other material as investment, financial, tax, or other advice. The views expressed by the participants are solely their own. A participant may have taken or recommended any investment position discussed, but may close such position or alter its recommendation at any time without notice. Nothing contained in this program constitutes a solicitation, recommendation, endorsement, or offer to buy or sell any securities or other financial instruments in any jurisdiction. Please consult your own investment or financial advisor for advice related to all investment decisions.

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    Income from Options: Understanding Covered Call Strategies with Howard Chan Feb 28, 2025
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    Are you aiming for steady income from your investments? Discover the ins and outs of covered call strategies in our engaging episode featuring Howard Chan from Kurv Investments. We dive deep into how this strategy can generate additional returns while strategically managing risks.
    Throughout the episode, we unpack the mechanics of writing covered calls and explore the volatility premium's significance in this context. Howard sheds light on when this strategy is best employed and the underlying market conditions that can influence its efficacy. With increasing uncertainty in the markets, the conversation delves into the role of covered calls in achieving a balance between income generation and capital appreciation, particularly for investors focused on cash flow.
    The discussion also touches upon technological advancements that have streamlined the use of covered calls, enabling more investors and advisors to incorporate these tactics into their portfolios efficiently. Listening to this episode equips you with perspectives on the complexities of options trading, how to capitalize on various market cycles, and the potential tax benefits related to income derived from covered calls.
    Join us as we explore practical insights and expert opinions on optimizing investment strategies for generating stable returns. Don’t forget to subscribe and share your thoughts on how covered call strategies fit into your investment philosophy!


    DISCLAIMER – PLEASE READ: This is a sponsored episode for which Lead-Lag Publishing, LLC has been paid a fee. Lead-Lag Publishing, LLC does not guarantee the accuracy or completeness of the information provided in the episode or make any representation as to its quality. All statements and expressions provided in this episode are the sole opinion of Kurv Investments and Lead-Lag Publishing, LLC expressly disclaims any responsibility for action taken in connection with the information provided in the discussion. The content in this program is for informational purposes only. You should not construe any information or other material as investment, financial, tax, or other advice. The views expressed by the participants are solely their own. A participant may have taken or recommended any investment position discussed, but may close such position or alter its recommendation at any time without notice. Nothing contained in this program constitutes a solicitation, recommendation, endorsement, or offer to buy or sell any securities or other financial instruments in any jurisdiction. Please consult your own investment or financial advisor for advice related to all investment decisions.

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    Diversified Returns: The Case for Risk Parity with Alex Shahidi Feb 27, 2025
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    Dive into the world of investment strategies with our latest episode focused on risk parity and the innovative ETFs, RPAR and UPAR. Join financial expert Alex Shahidi as he unpacks the evolving landscape of portfolio management, encouraging listeners to reassess their traditional views on asset allocation. The conversation covers the importance of diversification, revealing the limitations of the conventional 60/40 model that many investors continue to favor.
    With insights backed by historical data, we explore how equities, commodities, treasuries, and gold have performed through various market cycles. Shahidi clarifies the concept of risk parity, shedding light on how it can create a resilient investment portfolio that adapts to market fluctuations while aiming for consistent returns. He discusses the potential returns from traditionally lower-risk assets, explaining how leverage can enhance their performance to match or even exceed that of equities.
    Through this engaging discussion, listeners gain a better understanding of how to structure their portfolios for greater stability and consistency. Shahidi also highlights the risks associated with focusing solely on short-term market trends, urging investors to adopt a long-term perspective that prioritizes diversity in their asset allocation.
    As you tune in, consider your own investment approach. Are you gambling by putting all your eggs in one basket, or are you ready to embrace a diverse, strategic framework that stands the test of time? Share your thoughts about risk parity and how it has influenced your financial planning. Your journey to informed investing starts here—demand the answers you need and engage with us! Remember to subscribe and leave a review for more insightful discussions!

    DISCLAIMER – PLEASE READ: This is a sponsored episode for which Lead-Lag Publishing, LLC has been paid a fee. Lead-Lag Publishing, LLC does not guarantee the accuracy or completeness of the information provided in the episode or make any representation as to its quality. All statements and expressions provided in this episode are the sole opinion of Evoke Advisors and Lead-Lag Publishing, LLC expressly disclaims any responsibility for action taken in connection with the information provided in the discussion. The content in this program is for informational purposes only. You should not construe any information or other material as investment, financial, tax, or other advice. The views expressed by the participants are solely their own. A participant may have taken or recommended any investment position discussed, but may close such position or alter its recommendation at any time without notice. Nothing contained in this program constitutes a solicitation, recommendation, endorsement, or offer to buy or sell any securities or other financial instruments in any jurisdiction. Please consult your own investment or financial advisor for advice related to all investment decisions.

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    Will Rhind on High Income Pass-Through Securities, Yield Boost Strategies, and Strategic Portfolio Diversification Feb 20, 2025
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    Prepare to transform your income strategy as we explore the world of High Income Pass-Through Securities (HIPS) with our expert guest, Will. Discover how these unique investment vehicles can serve as robust alternatives during high inflation by tapping into the power of REITs, MLPs, closed-end funds, and business development companies. These securities not only offer the potential for higher income levels than traditional fixed-income sources but also come with significant tax advantages. Join us as we uncover the strategic design behind HIPS and their resilience during tumultuous times, including the 2020 COVID-19 pandemic, all while emphasizing the critical role of diversification.
    We spotlight the remarkable stability of the HIPS income portfolio during market upheavals, highlighting its ability to maintain consistent income distributions when the going gets tough. You'll gain insights into the tax efficiency of HIPS and explore the nature of return on capital, debunking common misconceptions about pass-through securities' expense ratios. Together, we'll navigate the intricate relationship between inflation, wage stagnation, and the rising demand for yield-generating investment products, offering a comprehensive understanding of why HIPS stand out as a compelling option in uncertain economic climates.
    Additionally, venture into the innovative Yield Boost strategy, an options-selling approach that combines high yield generation with downside protection through selling out-of-the-money put options. We'll use Tesla as a case study to demonstrate how Yield Boost achieves impressive returns while minimizing NAV erosion. By comparing this strategy with HIPS, we reveal how both methods can cater to those seeking consistent income and total return in their investment portfolios. Tune in for a deep dive into crafting a well-rounded portfolio that meets fixed liabilities while offering income certainty and robust total returns.


    DISCLAIMER – PLEASE READ: This is a sponsored episode for which Lead-Lag Publishing, LLC has been paid a fee. Lead-Lag Publishing, LLC does not guarantee the accuracy or completeness of the information provided in the episode or make any representation as to its quality. All statements and expressions provided in this episode are the sole opinion of GraniteShares and Lead-Lag Publishing, LLC expressly disclaims any responsibility for action taken in connection with the information provided in the discussion. The content in this program is for informational purposes only. You should not construe any information or other material as investment, financial, tax, or other advice. The views expressed by the participants are solely their own. A participant may have taken or recommended any investment position discussed, but may close such position or alter its recommendation at any time without notice. Nothing contained in this program constitutes a solicitation, recommendation, endorsement, or offer to buy or sell any securities or other financial instruments in any jurisdiction. Please consult your own investment or financial advisor for advice related to all investment decisions.

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    Jake Hanley and Sal Gilberti on Commodity Trading Dynamics, Agricultural Stability, and Strategic ETF Innovations Feb 16, 2025
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    Unlock the secrets to navigating the complex world of commodity trading with insights from Jake Hanley and Sal Gilberti of Tucreum ETFs. As key industry voices, Jake and Sal dissect the intricate relationship between tariffs, the strength of the dollar, and their profound effects on capital markets, especially agricultural commodities. With the looming possibility of Donald Trump's re-election in 2024, they offer an analysis of potential tariff strategies and their impact on U.S. trade relations with global competitors like China. Gain a deeper understanding of how America's strategic advantages—such as its reserve currency status and natural resource wealth—play into market trends and shape investment strategies as we project towards 2025.
    Discover the vital role of non-correlated returns in agriculture as we face a shifting bond market landscape. With traditional investment models feeling the strain, the pursuit of diversification becomes paramount. Hear how the Tucreum Agricultural Fund Benchmark Index exemplifies stability during market corrections, demonstrating agriculture's potential as a diversification tool. Jake and Sal shed light on the composition of the agricultural index, featuring staples like corn, soybeans, wheat, and sugar, and discuss these commodities' dynamic role in shaping the agricultural market and offering non-correlated returns in volatile economic times.
    Get ready for the launch of an innovative broad-based ETF commodities model that promises diverse exposure to commodities ranging from oil and natural gas to gold and coffee. We delve into how this model aims to outperform broad market indices by strategically managing commodity exposure. With unique offerings that include metals like gold, silver, and copper, this model provides a comprehensive avenue for investors seeking single commodity exposure without the intricacies of futures markets. As we draw our session to a close, we extend gratitude to Jake, Sal, and our engaged audience, inviting you to revisit the insights via the Lead Lag Report YouTube channel.

    DISCLAIMER – PLEASE READ: This is a sponsored episode for which Lead-Lag Publishing, LLC has been paid a fee. Lead-Lag Publishing, LLC does not guarantee the accuracy or completeness of the information provided in the episode or make any representation as to its quality. All statements and expressions provided in this episode are the sole opinion of Teucrium and Lead-Lag Publishing, LLC expressly disclaims any responsibility for action taken in connection with the information provided in the discussion. The content in this program is for informational purposes only. You should not construe any information or other material as investment, financial, tax, or other advice. The views expressed by the participants are solely their own. A participant may have taken or recommended any investment position discussed, but may close such position or alter its recommendation at any time without notice. Nothing contained in this program constitutes a solicitation, recommendation, endorsement, or offer to buy or sell any securities or other financial instruments in any jurisdiction. Please consult your own investment or financial advisor for advice related to all investment decisions.

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    Jay Hatfield on Small-Cap Stocks, Tariff Impacts, and Strategic Investment Success Feb 14, 2025
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    Unlock the secrets of informed investing and sidestep the pitfalls of market gambling with insights from Jay Hatfield of Infrastructure Capital Advisors. Explore the nuanced interplay between tariffs, political narratives, and inflation expectations, as revealed by a University of Michigan survey. Jay shares his 35-year Wall Street journey, highlighting the stark differences between hedge fund analytical frameworks and traditional investment analysis, all while emphasizing the critical importance of informed decision-making in building successful investment strategies.
    Venture into the dynamic world of small-cap stock investments, where political maneuvers like tax cuts and interest rate adjustments can dramatically reshape company profitability. Discover the disciplined approach of the SCAP ETF, known for its focus on profitable and dividend-paying stocks, and learn how rigorous analysis and a well-curated portfolio are pivotal in capturing market opportunities. We also shed light on the structure of investment teams and the strategic allocation within the Russell 2000, underscoring the importance of experience and analytical rigor in achieving investment success.
    Navigate the intricacies of writing calls for alpha in the aerospace sector, and understand how small-cap stocks can offer unexpected market surprises compared to their large-cap counterparts. Explore the strategic potential of short-term call writing on large-cap stocks and how institutions are capitalizing on market behaviors influenced by less experienced traders. Finally, turn your focus to the bond market, where active management and sector diversity reveal opportunities amidst fluctuating interest rates. Experience the challenges and triumphs of balancing equities and bonds to pursue solid returns through informed, strategic investing.


    DISCLAIMER – PLEASE READ: This is a sponsored episode for which Lead-Lag Publishing, LLC has been paid a fee. Lead-Lag Publishing, LLC does not guarantee the accuracy or completeness of the information provided in the episode or make any representation as to its quality. All statements and expressions provided in this episode are the sole opinion of Infrastructure Capital Advisors and Lead-Lag Publishing, LLC expressly disclaims any responsibility for action taken in connection with the information provided in the discussion. The content in this program is for informational purposes only. You should not construe any information or other material as investment, financial, tax, or other advice. The views expressed by the participants are solely their own. A participant may have taken or recommended any investment position discussed, but may close such position or alter its recommendation at any time without notice. Nothing contained in this program constitutes a solicitation, recommendation, endorsement, or offer to buy or sell any securities or other financial instruments in any jurisdiction. Please consult your own investment or financial advisor for advice related to all investment decisions.

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    nlocking True Health: Escape the Drug Dependency Mindset Feb 13, 2025
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    Michael Gayed on Gold's Resilience, Japan's Interest Rate Challenges, and Strategic Investment Insights Feb 11, 2025
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    Why is gold shining brighter while the yen wobbles? Join us for an enlightening conversation as we host Michael Gayed, the astute mind behind The Lead-Lag Report, who doesn't shy away from bold predictions. Michael explores the complexities of Japan's interest rate hikes and their impact on global market volatility. We dissect the turbulent trade winds blowing between the US, China, Canada, and Mexico, scrutinizing how tariffs and erratic policies from the Trump era might reshape businesses and markets. Amidst these discussions, Michael deciphers the recent spike in gold prices as a harbinger of economic unease and weighs in on the crypto market's erratic tides under a pro-crypto Trump administration.
    On a more personal note, witness the exhilarating yet taxing journey of rapid business growth. We share insights into streamlining operations, the thrill of expansion, and the silver linings amidst chaos. Our dialogue offers a fresh perspective on the investment landscape, with a spotlight on treasuries and the intriguing potential of existing funds. Despite the bearish sentiment surrounding treasuries, we unwrap a strategic investment play that could benefit from widening credit spreads. Whether you're a seasoned investor or just stepping into this dynamic world, this episode provides a feast of insights and optimism.


    The content in this program is for informational purposes only. You should not construe any information or other material as investment, financial, tax, or other advice. The views expressed by the participants are solely their own. A participant may have taken or recommended any investment position discussed, but may close such position or alter its recommendation at any time without notice. Nothing contained in this program constitutes a solicitation, recommendation, endorsement, or offer to buy or sell any securities or other financial instruments in any jurisdiction. Please consult your own investment or financial advisor for advice related to all investment decisions.

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    Seth Cogswell on Diversification Myths, Active ETF Strategies, and Mid-Cap Investment Opportunities Feb 09, 2025
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    Unlock the secrets to achieving true diversification in your investment portfolio with insights from Seth Cogswell of Running Oak. Ever wondered if your large-cap portfolio is truly diversified, or if it's just another tech-heavy collection? We tackle the illusion of diversification, using SCHG as a critical case study, and reveal how active ETFs can be leveraged to balance exponential growth with sustainable returns. This episode promises to equip you with a strategic, risk-aware approach that navigates the volatile markets of today with confidence and foresight.
    Join us as we challenge the misconception that large-cap growth portfolios provide adequate diversification. With 60% of SCHG concentrated in a mere handful of tech giants, there's a whole world of mid-cap investments that are often overlooked. Drawing from Invesco's research, we delve into the potential of mid-caps, which have historically outperformed their larger counterparts. We make the case for active management, an approach that not only distinguishes between various market capitalizations but also steers clear of unprofitable companies, ensuring the preservation and growth of your wealth over the long term.
    Finally, we explore the power of quantitative investment strategies. Discover how a rules-based, unemotional approach to investing can provide stability, reduce volatility, and serve as a foundational element of your portfolio. From the promising undervaluation of mid-cap stocks to the impact of emerging technologies like AI, we cover it all. Seth and I dissect the current market dynamics and offer practical strategies for financial advisors seeking an efficient growth style. By balancing growth and value, our conversation offers a roadmap to constructing a portfolio that stands the test of time, acting as a reliable anchor in a sea of market fluctuations.

    DISCLAIMER – PLEASE READ: This is a sponsored episode for which Lead-Lag Publishing, LLC has been paid a fee. Lead-Lag Publishing, LLC does not guarantee the accuracy or completeness of the information provided in the episode or make any representation as to its quality. All statements and expressions provided in this episode are the sole opinion of Running Oak and Lead-Lag Publishing, LLC expressly disclaims any responsibility for action taken in connection with the information provided in the discussion. The content in this program is for informational purposes only. You should not construe any information or other material as investment, financial, tax, or other advice. The views expressed by the participants are solely their own. A participant may have taken or recommended any investment position discussed, but may close such position or alter its recommendation at any time without notice. Nothing contained in this program constitutes a solicitation, recommendation, endorsement, or offer to buy or sell any securities or other financial instruments in any jurisdiction. Please consult your own investment or financial advisor for advice related to all investment decisions.

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