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Daniel Temkin on Esoteric Programming Languages Sep 24, 2025

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In this episode, Samuel Arbesman speaks with Daniel Temkin, a writer and artist working in the digital art space who has been creating strange and provocative programming languages for years. These “esoteric languages” or “esolangs” [esso] explore the limits and breadth of what programming and code can be. Temkin recently released a book collecting languages he created, titled Forty-Four Esolangs, a work that is both wild and fascinating.

Together, Arbesman and Temkin explore the nature of esolangs, the benefits of playful constraints, how to think about programming languages more broadly, code poetry, the balance between the unforgiving and human properties of code, and how Temkin was able to turn these experiments and projects into a book.

Parker Owens on Parker's Brick Builds Sep 17, 2025

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In this episode, Samuel Arbesman speaks with Parker Owens, whose passion for Lego has grown into something remarkable. In addition to working as an attorney, Parker runs Parker’s Brick Builds, a company where he designs and sells custom Lego creations. His sets range from vehicles and a siege tower to even a Lego “dumpster fire” that fans can build themselves.

Arbesman and Owens explore Parker’s Lego journey—from childhood play, through a hiatus during his young adult years, to rediscovering the bricks and eventually becoming a Lego TikTok star. Their conversation covers the origins of Parker’s business, his win in a business competition, the broader Lego-adjacent ecosystem of creators and companies beyond the official Lego Group, how he approaches design, and the mission that guides his work, including the kind of customer he envisions for his sets.

Kristoffer Tjalve on The Internet Phone Book Sep 10, 2025

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Samuel Arbesman is joined once again by Kristoffer Tjalve. The two previously spoke about the poetic web and the delightful aspects of the internet. This time, Kristoffer shares his new project: the Internet Phone Book—a physical book that lists personal websites alongside essays about the internet. After selling out its first run, the book is now available again as a reprint from Metalabel.

In their conversation, Arbesman and Tjalve discuss the origins and nature of the Internet Phone Book, the spirit of the early web it seeks to recapture, and the lessons Kristoffer learned while making it. They also explore ideas such as the Internet as an “underdeveloped ecosystem,” the notion of “organic software,” ways of supporting the poetic web, and what today’s online world might learn from the traditions of books and print publishing.

It’s a wide-ranging and playful exchange that captures both the wonder and the seriousness of building a more poetic internet.

Edward Ashton on The Fourth Consort Sep 03, 2025

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In this episode, Samuel Arbesman speaks with Edward Ashton. Edward Ashton is a science fiction writer and the author of numerous novels, including Mickey7, which became the basis for the movie Mickey 17. His most recent novel is The Fourth Consort, a fascinating first contact story that touches upon many different topics, from humanity’s uniqueness to how to think about interstellar confederations.

Arbesman and Ashton discuss the origins of The Fourth Consort, the science fiction features Ashton was playing with and subverting, and why science fiction shouldn’t simplify alien species or human beings. They also explore the unique features of humanity, the power of storytelling and its role in humanity’s triumph on Earth, the qualities that allow for technological intelligence, and much more. Their conversation even touches on the dark forest theory, underestimating humans, interstellar federations and the exploitation of other species, as well as other authors and works Ashton recommends.

Neal Agarwal on neal.fun Aug 27, 2025

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In this episode, Samuel Arbesman speaks with Neal Agarwal. Neal has been building online playthings for most of his life. He runs neal.fun, which many listeners may already be familiar with, home to such games and internet toys as Infinite Craft and Internet Roadtrip. For example, Infinite Craft begins with the four elements of earth, air, fire, and water, which can be recombined in open-ended ways to build almost anything: water plus earth yields plant; plant plus fire equals smoke; smoke plus fire equals volcano—and then you’re off to the races. These websites are delightful, strange, and exciting, showcasing the sheer breadth of what the web can be.

Samuel and Neal discuss Neal’s origins and history making things on the web, and how he came to build neal.fun full time. Their conversation explores the unique nature of the web as a medium, and what it means to take it seriously. This connects to the challenge of describing the internet toys Neal creates, since they represent something truly new and delightful. They also touch on programming, how AI might make building weird online things easier, the communities that have grown around Neal’s creations, and his process for designing these games. Along the way, they even consider fellow travelers in this world of fun online creations.

Julian Gough on the Evolution of Universes Aug 20, 2025

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In this episode, Samuel Arbesman speaks with Julian Gough — a writer, musician, and now researcher in cosmology. Julian was part of Toasted Heretic, an Irish rock group, has written novels for both children and adults, and even composed Minecraft’s end poem. More recently, he has turned his attention to cosmology, exploring ideas at the intersection of evolution and universe formation to better understand why the cosmos is the way it is. He writes about this work in his newsletter The Egg and the Rock, where he argues that “our universe appears to be the result of an evolutionary process at the level of universes,” drawing on recent data from across many fields.

Samuel and Julian discuss his career in music and writing, and how he gradually became drawn into big questions about cosmology. Their conversation explores cosmological natural selection, the idea of the universe as a developmental process, Julian’s blowtorch theory, and the challenges and opportunities of doing research outside the scientific establishment. Along the way, they consider the implications for our understanding of the cosmos, the role of intelligent life in the universe, how scientific paradigm shifts occur, and the value of interdisciplinary thinking.

Étienne Fortier-Dubois on Tech Trees Aug 13, 2025

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In this episode, Samuel Arbesman speaks with Étienne Fortier-Dubois, a writer and programmer whose work has appeared in publications such as Asterisk Magazine and Works in Progress. He also authors the newsletter Hopeful Monsters. With a vast and eclectic set of interests—from the intricate details of technological history to the sweeping arcs of human civilization—Fortier-Dubois recently created The Historical Tech Tree, a website mapping the vast interconnections and interdependencies of technological advances across millions of years.

Arbesman and Fortier-Dubois delve into the concept of a tech tree (and its connections to the game Civilization) and examine the nature of the tech tree he built. Their discussion ranges from decisions about what qualifies as a technology to the sources he used, as well as fascinating edge cases and stories uncovered during the project. They explore how such a tech tree can and cannot be used, its implications for education in technological history and literacy, and the potential for other kinds of “trees” to be constructed. The conversation also touches on worldbuilding, the so-called “illusion of complexity” in most fantasy and science fiction worlds, and how this perspective may have influenced Fortier-Dubois’s interest in history.

Chris Ferrie on Writing "Quantum Physics for Babies" Aug 06, 2025

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In this episode, Samuel Arbesman speaks with Chris Ferrie, an associate professor of quantum information at the University of Technology Sydney and the author of an impressive range of books for audiences of all ages — from adults and children to even babies. Ferrie is best known for Quantum Physics for Babies, but his prolific output spans titles such as Night Night Tyrannosaurus, Newtonian Physics for Babies, 42 Reasons to Hate the Universe (and One Reason Not To), and ABCs of Artificial Intelligence. The breadth of his work is astonishing.

Their conversation explores Ferrie’s background and the origins of his science-for-babies books, but also ventures far beyond. They discuss his nonlinear approach to building a career, his comfort with embracing the strange and unpredictable paths his professional life has taken, and his thoughts on communicating ideas clearly. Along the way, they touch on scientific jargon and gatekeeping, the value of generalists, perspectives on education and its future, and the work of raising children.

Evan Armstrong on Launching The Leverage and Rethinking Tech Media Jul 30, 2025

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In this episode, Samuel Arbesman speaks with Evan Armstrong, the writer behind The Leverage, a newsletter devoted to exploring and explaining the rapid changes in technology markets. Before launching his own publication, Evan was the lead writer at Every, where he helped grow the platform to over 100,000 subscribers.

Samuel and Evan discuss Evan’s path to writing and what it takes to build a new tech publication in today’s evolving media landscape. Evan shares his taxonomy of tech media publications, his thoughts on the nature of newsletters, and the kind of writing he believes the Internet needs more of. Their conversation also ventures further afield—touching on how to rekindle the tech world’s interest in the humanities, T.S. Eliot’s historical sensibility, and a vision of the future rooted in beauty, taste, and curiosity.

Gabe Henry on "Enough is Enuf" Jul 23, 2025

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In this episode, Samuel Arbesman sits down with writer Gabe Henry, whose latest book Enough is Enuf delves into the long-running crusade to simplify English spelling (note the purposeful “ENUF” in the title). Everyone senses that English orthography can feel downright irrational, yet spelling-reform campaigns often make readers bristle. Henry unpacks those efforts—missteps, breakthroughs, and all.

Together, Arbesman and Gabe trace the tangled roots of English irregularity, explore past attempts to tame it, and spotlight the luminaries who tried: Benjamin Franklin, Noah Webster, Melvil Dewey, Teddy Roosevelt, and more. Their conversation weighs the case for and against reform, debates how fast change must move to stick, and considers the fresh pressures (and opportunities) technology brings to the spelling frontier.

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