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Welcome to a podcast about performance climbing, self-improvement, and being a human being.
5M+ downloads.
“One of the best long-form interview podcasts in the outdoor space.” – Climbing Magazine
Copyright: © 2020 The Nugget Climbing, LLC
Tyler Algeo is a Canadian who moved to Africa and started a climbing gym, with the goal of creating a socio-economically inclusive climbing community in Malawi. We talked about learning to climb in Ireland, living in Africa, founding Climb Malawi, adopting and raising his two black sons, Tyler’s work with The Climbing Initiative, and creating a better world through climbing.
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Nuggets:
5:05 – Living in Cincinnati and growing up in Calgary
6:14 – Learning to climb in Ireland
9:50 – Working in Ireland
10:13 – How Tyler and his wife ended up in Malawi
14:24 – Having to return to the States due to Covid, and salary differences between foreign workers and locals in Malawi
17:25 – Description of Malawi, the topography, and rock climbing
21:39 – The population of Malawi, and why so many people move there from neighboring African countries
24:23 – Day-to-day life in Malawi
27:05 – Having a housekeeper, and the risks of creating an upside-down economy
30:05 – Good intentions gone awry
32:58 – Tyler’s climbing leading up to Malawi, and building a wall in his backyard
37:21 – The socioeconomic divide in Malawi, and how Climb Malawi was born
42:26 – Other artificial climbing in Malawi
44:50 – Outgrowing the backyard climbing wall
45:35 – Local climbing in Malawi
47:24 – The Climb Malawi climbing wall and location description
52:44 – Ernest
54:29 – Outdoor trips and introducing Malawians to rock climbing
55:31 – Memphis Rox as an inspiration, and the Climb Malawi business model
1:00:03 – The impact of covid on Climb Malawi, and Malawi itself
1:03:17 – Tyler’s continued involvement with Climb Malawi
1:05:38 – How living in Malawi has shaped Tyler’s perspective of what the global climbing community looks like
1:09:05 – Ugly entitlement, the game of climbing, and introducing people to climbing with humility
1:14:11 – The Chichewa language, and some route names and phrases
1:18:47 – Bodie and Moses (Tyler’s adopted boys)
1:22:42 – Tyler’s thoughts on moving to Denver with two black sons, and how to provide them with mentorship
1:31:33 – “Try to use your privilege with honor.”
1:33:16 – The Climbing Initiative
1:49:48 – How listeners can support Climb Malawi and TCI
1:51:45 – Tyler’s current climbing, and working on his mental performance and making sport climbing more life-giving
1:58:43 – Who’s doing the more impressive thing, climbing at your emotional limit, grades, and having a relationship with each route
2:03:01 – A better world through climbing
2:07:35 – Gratitude for family and his wife
This full episode is available for Patrons right now! This is a teaser of my second Follow-Up with Steve Bechtel. We talked about when to stick with a training program vs. when to pivot, lessons from studying the NBA, how much LeBron James deadlifts, Steve’s climbing background, and how he climbed his first 5.14 at age 47, and his advice for me to improve power endurance.
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Virtual Performance Climbing Coach Summit:
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Steve's other episodes:
Follow-Up: Steve Bechtel (our first one from January 2021)
Nathaniel Coleman is the men’s silver medalist of the Tokyo Olympics. We talked about his preparation for the games, training in a climbing sauna, the Olympic experience and winning silver, favorite root beer, Kendama as focus training, chess, why Nathaniel still practices the basics of climbing, doing the FA of ‘The Grand Illusion’ V16, and sport climbing plans.
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Nuggets:
4:30 – Garbage trucks, and a Tuesday morning in the life of Nathaniel Coleman
6:04 – What the two months following the Olympics have looked like for Nathaniel
8:20 – Finding out that climbing would be in the Olympics and having qualifying as a goal
10:44 – How Nathaniel’s goals evolved throughout the process
11:45 – Nathaniel’s mantra for combined nationals 2019, and the journey to qualifying
15:25 – How Nathaniel used his mantra, and self-belief vs. letting go of expectations
17:25 – Confidence, upbringing, and competing for himself
20:27 – The dice roll of competition
22:10 – Climbing with Kyle O’Meara, Nathaniel’s relaxed approach to training as a teenager, comparing himself to Sean Bailey, and thriving on a plan with “adequate rest”
25:50 – Balancing listening to motivation and pushing through it
26:46 – Typical training volumes for World Cup climbers
30:39 – How Nathaniel’s training to qualify for the Olympics vs. how he trained for Tokyo
34:25 – Balancing World Cups with prep for Tokyo
36:01 – Building a climbing “sauna” at the USA training center
36:15 – Getting used to climbing in the heat and humidity
40:41 – How Tokyo compared to the training sauna
43:19 – What it was like to get on the plane and fly to Tokyo
46:28 – The qualifying round in Tokyo, and realizing he made finals
52:16 – Recalibrating goals after making finals
53:48 – Finals
1:03:18 – Watching Jacob top the lead route
1:05:55 – Patron Question from Tyler: When it was all said and done, what did you think about the Olympic format?
1:08:19 – More context about the Olympic format, and Nathaniel’s thoughts on continuing to speed climb after Tokyo
1:10:35 – Great Aunt Armida
1:13:04 – Nathaniel’s Instagram posts after winning silver in Tokyo
1:14:54 – What Nathaniel’s accomplishment meant for US climbing
1:17:59 – The first and second perspective-changing events in Nathaniel’s climbing career
1:19:55 – Thoughts about hard outdoor rock climbing vs. competitions moving forward
1:21:54 – How Nathaniel balances training for outdoor routes vs. competitions, and preparing for a trip to the Red
1:24:25 – Context about ‘The Grand Illusion’
1:25:02 – Patron Question from Nick: Do you have any plans to come back to work on the ‘Lee Majors’ extension?
1:27:34 – Patron Question from Timothy: Does Nathaniel ever see himself getting into highball bouldering or trad/big wall climbing?
1:28:54 – Thoughts on retiring from competitions (when and why)
1:30:40 – Rootbeer
1:32:58 – Kendama
1:35:55 – How Nathaniel still practicing the basics in climbing
1:38:56 – Bonz Atron (the Chris Sharma of Kendama)
1:40:18 – Chess
1:41:28 – What Nathaniel does to relax and recharge
1:42:52 – Special thanks to Josh, Zach, and Meg
1:44:44 – Excited for the Red
1:45:58 – Gratitude
This is part 2 of my conversation with Tom Herbert. Tom shared some clarifications about part 1, we talked about the nervous system and the mind-body connection, how to relax before a session to improve your performance and power, how to turn off in the evenings to optimize recovery, and Tom shared about his childhood and ongoing struggle with anxiety from a chronic bladder issue.
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Nuggets:
4:35 – Tom’s anxiety about this conversation, my bleached hair, and red bush tea
7:30 – Clarifications from Part 1, more carb considerations, and keeping a training journal
18:12 – What Tom is currently working on with Aiden Roberts, and reducing fiber to drop water weight
24:45 – Alpha GBC supplementation for vegetarians and vegans, Tom’s experiment with climbing 30 days in a row, and lessons about hydration
29:44 – The mind-body connection
33:21 – Anxiety, butterflies in your stomach, falling in love, and the physical pain of heartbreak
36:27 – Examples of working with clients with fear of specific foods, the mathematics of fat gain, and intellectual vs. emotional conversations
39:49 – Phobias, catastrophizing, pain research, and looking upstream
44:21 – Referring clients out to therapy
48:31 – The hamstring test, and the connection between breathing and relaxation
51:35 – “Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee”, belly breathing, and the significance of climbing in a defensive (tight) state
55:18 – Reset send, and how to relax before your climbing session to increase your passat reserve
59:32 – “You have control over your mental state through your body”, the bidirectional influence of the nervous system, and heart rate variability
1:03:05 – How the parasympathetic state opens up opportunity, and the effect of imitating different postures (the Shawshank pose)
1:08:48 – Belly breathing for more passat
1:11:23 – Bracing vs creating tension
1:15:09 – Practicing turning tension on and off
1:17:31 – Strong First and creating inter abdominal pressure
1:18:43 – Sending the appropriate signal for your session, and how to prepare for powerful climbing
1:24:41 – Replenishing the creatine phosphate system
1:26:40 – How to turn off at the end of the day, and improve recovery
1:31:07 – Tricks for sleep, sleeping posture, and self-massage (knuckling)
1:35:15 – Tom’s foam roller ab stretch
1:37:37 – Where your mind should be during the evening breathing practice, and rewiring your brain patterns
1:40:35 – EMDR and brain spotting, and moving your eyes during your climbing session
1:49:39 – Opening our field of vision, and why we feel relaxed in nature or at the ocean
1:51:26 – How to increase power by marching in place, and climbing open
1:53:09 – My plans to try EMDR on Eternia
1:55:05 – Tom’s childhood
2:00:21 – Moving to the UK to become a techno DJ, and getting into debt
2:02:31 – Living off of milk and protein powder, getting kidney stones, and urinary urgency
2:04:52 – Trapped in a small world
2:08:20 – Empathy and patience for others
2:10:50 – Life is chaos, losing his sister, and turning 40
2:15:35 – Causing ripples and creating freedom for other people
2:19:10 – Doing things just because they are fun
2:21:07 – Going back to pole dance
2:22:54 – Good days and bad days, and moving in a better direction
2:24:45 – Hoping to start working with people in person again, and 2022 plans for usefulcoach
This full episode is available for Patrons right now! This is a teaser of my second Follow-Up with Natasha Barnes. We talked about how each of us has changed as climbers from gaining muscle mass, how Natasha balances training for climbing with powerlifting, how powerlifting has made her a more patient athlete, encouraging vs. forcing adaptation, separating performing and training, and each of our climbing goals.
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*The full version is 1:16:25.
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Tom Herbert is known as the usefulcoach, and is a leader in climbing sports nutrition. We talked about common themes in clients he works with, his philosophy of getting climbers to eat more calories to support a higher training volume, muscle protein synthesis, carbohydrate recommendations and timing, food quality, leucine supplementation, and much more.
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Nuggets:
5:37 – The ambiance of Boulder, CO
6:41 – Tom’s night at an outdoor club
8:39 – The ClimbSci podcast (Tom’s old podcast project)
10:23 – How Tom’s nutrition approach has changed since the ClimbSci podcast days, and seeking critique on Reddit
12:30 – How I connected with Tom via Hazel Findlay, and my goal for this conversation
15:04 – Who is Tom Herbert (@usefulcoach), and getting climbers to eat more to get more out of life
19:45 – Common themes in the clients Tom works with
22:56 – How climbers tend to eat the least amount of food they can get away with, and the weight of food and water
27:36 – Book recommendations are not real life, and Tom’s experiment with a cycling diet of very high carb
30:56 – Michael Phelps, and Tom’s central message of eating more so we can do more training
38:34 – Weight vs. lean mass and body composition
44:53 – Gaining lean body mass while training
47:45 – Progress in your training plan as a prime metric
50:53 – My experience with being stronger and lean but “fluffy around the middle”, Tom’s experience working with physique athletes, and breaking down the ideals we have in our heads as climbers
55:47 – The disconnect between looking badass and being badass, and “we tend to want to look like we climb harder than we actually climb.”
58:35 – “Is this everything I can do with my body?”, “Am I doing everything I can do to be healthy?”, and excepting our bodies
1:01:33 – Fat loss is not a linear process
1:02:24 – Aidan Roberts’ DEXA scan, and the cost of dieting
1:06:34 – Accounting for different bodies looking different at the same body fat percentage, and the selection bias of naturally lean people in pro climbing
1:10:42 – Tracking absolute strength, and focusing on improving the quality and the volume of your training over time
1:14:57 – Staying the same weight at higher calories, and reaching a new homeostasis if you do increase weight
1:17:44 – My experience with gaining weight, finding a new homeostasis, and getting stronger than ever before
1:20:20 – Energy availability, and how many calories Tom has his athletes eat on a rest day and training day (using me as an example)
1:29:17 – Protein, muscle-protein synthesis, and eating protein 4-5 times per day
1:37:57 – Tom’s thoughts on my daily protein intake
1:40:29 – Waving carb amounts, and Tom’s recommendations for me for daily carbs
1:44:21 – Saturating the climbing/training session with glucose, and the benefits of a low carb dinner
1:51:28 – Tom’s thoughts on carb backloading
1:57:08 – Two questions about carbs, and the main 2 reasons why Tom likes to wave carb amounts
2:04:20 – Summary of Tom’s carb strategy, and thoughts on skipping breakfast
2:06:28 – Food quality
2:08:12 – Patron question from Tyler: Thoughts on protein powders and artificial flavoring?
2:13:19 – Why Tom doesn’t like BCAA’s
2:15:51 – More on food quality and nutrient density
2:20:49 – Seed oils
2:22:19 – Tom’s stance on meat and animal products
2:24:34 – Beans, legumes, and anti-nutrients
2:27:06 – Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing (EMDR)
2:31:34 – Gratitude
Craig DeMartino is a rock climber, motivational speaker, and teacher. His life changed in 2002 when he took a 100-foot ground fall. We talked about Craig’s accident and recovery, the decision to amputate his leg, climbing harder than ever after the accident, doing El Cap in a day, dealing with chronic pain, teaching adaptive climbing, and embracing a new normal.
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Nuggets:
3:28 – El Cap, Craig’s son, and owning what you like
6:09 – His kids catching the climbing bug, and watching sports from the sidelines
8:12 – Adaptive sports, ball sports, and exploring sports outside the box
9:30 – Bouldering with a prosthetic leg
11:30 – Craig’s recent broken foot
15:23 – Trauma, avoiding getting hurt gain, and the hardware in his foot
17:00 – Being in Estes, relistening to EP 11 of the Enormocast, and sitting down in person
20:30 – Craig’s accident
36:05 – Waking up in the hospital, moving to an assisted living home, and eventually returning home
42:52 – The human body is amazing
43:51 – “Fuck it. I’m gonna cut my leg off and see what happens.” -Craig DeMartino
54:40 – “Who am I in this new form?”
56:04 – The barking dog, and the human barometer
58:42 – Pain and visualization
1:02:05 – Being honest about the ups and downs, and moving away from the accident
1:05:03 – New identities, and Hugh Herr
1:06:00 – “I would never change it”, and finding purpose in teaching adaptive sports
1:11:06 – Craig’s life before the accident, helping people now, and inclusivity
1:15:22 – Being a climber first, and the first all-adaptive ascent of El Cap
1:16:40 – Helping trauma patients find flow state through climbing
1:19:56 – Working through triggers and PTSD
1:22:56 – Craig’s recovery status
1:24:55 – How to hack the perspective without the injury, and how Will’s (Craig’s son’s) coach Mikey influenced him
1:29:15 – Question from Chris Kalous: “Why do you swear so much, Craig?”
1:31:54 – Patron question from Tyler: What made your story so captivating when you shared it on the Enormocast?
1:35:35 – Talking with Steve and remembering the accident, and going back to ‘White Man’
1:38:52 – Rannveig’s story, self-blame, and moving forward
1:41:48 – Patron question from Graham: How can people in the helping professions provide better opportunities for empowerment for people with disabilities?
1:47:23 – Patron question from Levi: How could we go about making a centralized group for adaptive climbers?
1:51:07 – How to connect with Craig
1:52:00 – Patron question from Andrew: Have you tried custom prosthetics for a specific move or route?
1:55:54 – Craig’s quiver of legs, and our amazing feet
1:58:24 – Patron question from Eli: What have been some of the hardest lessons, and best and encouraging ones since your fall?
2:00:40 – “When you get up there, don’t take no for an answer.” - HK
2:01:56 – Rock climbing is hard, and explaining rock climbing to your Grandma
2:04:04 – Patron question from Eli: What advice might you have for other climbers with kids?
2:09:09 – Most meaningful climbs since the injury, speed climbing El Cap with Hans Florine, and sport climbing with Cindy (Craig’s wife)
2:16:30 – Climbing his hardest after the accident
2:19:18 – Sending ‘Dirty Smelly Hippie’, soft grades, and feeling confident at 12d
2:23:16 – The steep style of the Red, climbing with one leg, and Tommy Caldwell as the most famous amputee
2:26:55 – Patron question from Ken Klein: Moving to Puerto Rico, what will you miss most about the Fort Collins scene? How has it evolved in your time there?
2:28:53 – Continuing the work in Puerto Rico, and chasing shorts weather
2:32:54 – Why Craig hates pants
2:34:44 – What Craig hopes to still accomplish in his climbing
2:36:48 – How the experience of climbing scales
2:37:58 – Grateful for opportunities
2:39:00 – We are all struggling with something
2:41:38 – Life is fluid
Josh Wharton is one of the most badass climbers you’ve never heard of. He does it all at an elite level. We talked about tips for hard flashing and onsighting, how alpine climbing relates to rock climbing, training to flash El Cap, the value of taking risks in life, being a climbing parent, climbing in Pakistan, how to find an adventure without flying overseas, and the benefits of stiff shoes.
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Nuggets:
3:55 – Josh’s age, and physical vs. technical/tactical progression
5:40 – How Josh manages to be such a good all-arounder and still climb 5.14
9:13 – Trying to do every route in the Black Canyon and Rifle
11:42 – Uber loc(al)s, and using obscure easy routes to prepare for big mountains
13:02 – Josh’s flash and onsight ability, tips and tricks, and climbing with a lot of confidence
17:01 – How to get better at onsighting and flashing
18:49 – Why Josh made the decision to stop redpointing routes he knows he can do
20:11 – Overlapping flashing or onsighting
22:30 – Josh’s go-to schedule for combining onsighting with projecting on a trip
24:22 – How being a parent has changes Josh’s climbing priorities, rock climbing and alpine climbing as different sports, and the rewards of alpine climbing
30:53 – “Everything is training, and nothing is training”, and alpine climbing in the Canadian Rockies
35:43 – Having dinner with Barry Blanchard
37:03 – A message from Jonah, and what Josh has learned from each type of climbing
40:26 – Variety as a source of motivation
42:20 – A glimpse into Josh’s experience climbing Wheeler Peak
48:04 – Patron question from Timothy: Why did Josh climb in the Black Canyon so much? What routes had the biggest impact on him?
54:03 – Latok and Ogar
56:21 – The cost of a trip to Pakistan
59:48 – What a trip to Pakistan looks like, and “Expectations often define an experience.”
1:01:17 – More about Latok
1:03:50 – How Josh would prepare for another attempt on Latok
1:09:02 – Sport dry tooling, and winning the Ouray Ice Fest three years in a row
1:12:48 – Learned about training from dry tooling competitions
1:16:27 – The evolution of Josh’s training, and principles of training
1:22:05 – The secret sauce
1:25:02 – Josh’s training staples, and working with Lattice
1:29:54 – Getting away from having to perform well every time you go climbing
1:32:24 – Prioritizing climbing vs. training
1:33:24 – Josh’s 60-degree campus board (joke), and how the Lattice training is going
1:37:04 – Josh’s goal for 2021 (try to flash Freerider)
1:39:55 – How Josh set the boulder problem on Freerider to spec
1:41:37 – Preparing for the Monster Offwidth
1:43:50 – Yuji’s article about trying to onsight El Cap
1:45:14 – Patron questions from Henry: How much has parenthood reduced your tolerance for risk?
1:50:55 – Hera, and Josh’s parallel universe in the NBA
1:52:40 – Using climbing as a tool for travel, and more about climbing as a parent
1:55:26 – Josh’s early climbing with his dad
1:57:16 – Patron question from Garret: Any CO areas that don’t get the respect they deserve?
1:59:12 – Patron question from Randall: Favorite zone or route in Montana? Other favorites in the States?
2:02:10 – Patron question from Benjamin: Thoughts on the new Scarpa Boostic?
2:05:35 – Shoe stiffness for Rifle, and analyzing the soft shoe trend
2:07:42 – Shoe sizes, and Josh’s shoe plan for Freerider
2:10:03 – Patron question from Benjamin: If Josh could only climb in one discipline for the rest of his life, what would he choose?
2:10:41 – What’s next for Josh?
2:14:55 – Gratitude
In Q&A 3, I tackle patron questions about my two most successful winters of training on my home wall back in Bend, how my training has evolved and what it looks like now, how to maintain strength while living on the road and climbing full-time, advice for nomadic living, life mottos, try-hard mindset, hair dye, M&Ms, singalong jams, and much more.
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Nuggets:
0:00 – Q&A 3 overview, and info about Patreon and one-on-one consultations
5:05 – Faelan’s Question: Lessons from two winters of training on my (Steven’s) home wall, and my best week of climbing ever
16:20 – Andrew K’s Question: Have you ever visited The New or other east coast crags? What areas do you dream of visiting?
17:44 – Jimmy’s Question: How much running should someone do for sport climbing to build cardio?
20:39 – Joe’s Question: Am I limiting myself by only climbing near home in Tahoe? Which areas should I travel to in order to grow the most as a climber?
25:03 – Joe’s Question: Any advice for me as I pursue a new video project and start creating content?
28:19 – Andrew W’s Question: Why have you struggled to make gains in your training in the past? How has your training evolved? How do you train now?
35:30 – Andrew W’s Question: Tips for building and maintaining community while living on the road?
38:08 – Andrew W’s Question: Do you have a quote or motto that best describes your approach to living?
41:26 – Casey’s Question: Any advice for training/maintaining strength while living on the road?
48:42 – Clay’s Question: How do you think about the question, “How do you think about that?”
51:19 – Casey M’s Question: Did you really dye your hair blonde? Why not purple?
52:44 – Casey M’s Question: Any person totally non-climbing-related that you would love to have on the podcast?
55:52 – Casey M’s Question: Have you ever absentmindedly picked all of the M&Ms out of someone else's trail mix?
56:19 – Casey M’s Question: You are riding in the car with a friend and you are the DJ: what do you pick to sing along to?
57:23 – Casey M’s Question: What mindset do you try to channel when trying hard?
59:00 – Casey M’s Question: When will you start trying to do stunts in videos? Can we send you skateboard tricks?
This full episode is available for Patrons right now! This is a teaser of a follow-up call with Allison Vest. We talked about her sends of ‘Throwin’ the Houlihan’ and ‘Rodeo Free Europe’ (both 5.14a) at the Wild Iris, how she trained her fingers for the savage monos, stories and laughs from her road trip with Alex Johnson, rapping, reciting the Periodic Table of Elements in under 45 seconds, music collaborations, and much more.
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