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    The Messy Studio with Rebecca Crowell

    Artist Rebecca Crowell shares experiences and thoughts from three decades of painting, teaching and traveling, as well as her conversations with other artists. She is joined by her co-host, producer, and son, Ross Ticknor, who brings an entrepreneurial Millennial perspective. The conversations are broad and eclectic, focused on ideas, information and anecdotes that other artists may find helpful in their work and careers. A new episode is uploaded every weekend!

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    Episode 90: Sharing Studio Secrets Sep 21, 2019
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    Rebecca and Ross discuss why sharing your process and techniques with others helps to advance your own work and career.

    Intro:
    An artist’s creative process is not always easily accessed by others—it may include technical secrets as well as approaches that are simply hard to convey to others even if there is a desire to share. Do the art practices of others seem mysterious to you? Do you guard some of your own studio secrets, and why? In this episode we’ll look at the pros and cons of keeping studio secrets and how transparency can benefit you as well as other artists.

    As a workshop instructor I’m sometimes asked why I give away all my --an interesting question—first because I do charge for my workshops!

    But the real question is what do you risk by being open about your work.

    My response is something like, my secrets are my secrets, but my techniques are things I’m happy to share. What I mean is that there are things that go into a painting that are private—memories, emotions—and there’s not much point in sharing those anyway, they are personal to me and would not be helpful to anyone else.

    But the biggest/best secrets are right in front of you—the importance of finding your voice, being patient, practice, etc. Things you just have to do for yourself with diff. results for each person. We can advise and offer tip but personal path is your own.

    Also some things about process are very hard to explain.

    Technique and process are just means to an end. Techniques are tools for each of us to use in our own ways. Even something like a formula for a painting color can lead to different results for different artists. There can be a feeling if we knew exactly what someone else did we could enhance our own work.

    People tend to look for formulas/answers as the result of being taught that way.

    That said I am not always ready to share something when I’ve just figured it out or am in the process of seeing what I can do with it. Another thing about teaching is people can feel entitled to the inside story on everything you do. (I do have moments of “ I just figured this out and I’m not ready to share it.” But there comes a time when I am ready. My hesitation is more about enjoying the discovery process on my own.)

    That’s me—we all have to figure out our boundaries on this. When you’re a teacher you are probably more inclined to share.

    Reasons to be Open:
    Letting others understand your techniques does not diminish them. If anything, it adds to the appreciation of the ones you have mastered. Never as easy as it looks or sounds.

    A lot of great art has been created using very straightforward and well-known techniques such as applying oil paint to canvas with a brush.

    Simply showing someone a technique is a first step, and most people figure out their own ways to use it.

    Keeping your techniques or formulas secret doesn’t necessarily add to own stature or mystique. It may just make you look guarded or territorial, maybe a little insecure--

    Work that depends on mastery of a particular “secret” technique can be shallow—it can limit the artist to exploiting that which he or she has staked a claim to. The work can start to seem tricky or gimmicky.

    Spiritual or philosophical benefits of sharing: Acknowledge that every new thing comes arises from some previous knowledge that was shared. You may have put it together in a new way but be aware of the chain of which you are a part. By sharing you allow others to build on your discoveries.

    Teaching—obviously you need to be open. You can set your boundaries around anything you’re not ready to share, but I think these should be relatively few things. The spirit of teaching is sharing, being open and generous. Students don’t appreciate it if you hold back.
    Offering some free material via websites, youtube, etc. is good business practice

    Selling: talking about your techniques and process leads to understanding and appreciation of what you have developed.

    Relations with other artists: when you share, opens door to sharing back, also it can be interesting to see what happens in a collaborative sense. Your ideas transformed by someone else. Opens dialogue and collaboration. Reciprocity.

    Don’t be put off by fears of copying etc.

    What Not to Share:
    You can potentially share anything—up to you

    Sharing does not mean dictating or controlling how the knowledge is used. Know that once something is out in the world it has a life of its own. That’s basically positive and healthy but should be understood. Knock-off work rarely succeeds.

    Difficulties in sharing--Some things about process are simply very hard to articulate –you may think another artist is being secretive when in fact they just don’t have the words. Art speak or vague descriptions may well be honest attempts to talk about what is basically beyond words.

    Be honest with yourself—do you think as an artist you are “supposed” to be secretive as part of an artist's mystique? Is that really your natural inclination? Are you afraid of being more open—if so can you see benefits you might be missing out on?

    Wrap-Up: By nature many artists are very open and generous with their knowledge and ideas—a lot more so than the stereotype of the loner, egotistical artist would indicate. In my opinion that is a good thing to embrace and be a part of and makes your art life a richer experience.

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    Episode 89: Working On Your Website Part 2 Sep 12, 2019
    Show notes

    Rebecca and Ross continue their discussion on building your artist website.

    Create an artist website on Wix today!

    Episode mentioned: https://messystudio.fireside.fm/55

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    Episode 88: Working On Your Website Part 1 Sep 08, 2019
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    Rebecca and Ross discuss common pitfalls in artist websites and why your website is important.

    Create a website today with Wix! It is fast, easy, and free to get started.

    www.messystudiopodcast.com
    www.rebeccacrowell.com
    www.squeegeepress.com
    www.facebook.com/messystudiopodcast


    Episode 87: Making Our Video Sep 01, 2019
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    Rebecca and Jerry discuss the process of making their video (Cold Wax Medium: A Video Workshop)--including behind the scenes stories, the challenges of being on camera, and their motivations and intentions for this huge project. This episode includes a discount coupon code if you wish to purchase the video.

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    www.facebook.com/messystudiopodcast

    Special Guest: Jerry McLaughlin.


    Episode 86: Meaning in Abstraction Aug 25, 2019
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    Intro: Many of our listeners know about the book that Jerry McLaughlin and I co-wrote--Cold Wax Medium: Techniques, Concepts & Conversation—and also that, from the beginning we did not want to only talk about techniques (hence the title.) Today we want to talk about why we find the concepts and ideas of abstraction important and offer some ideas about understanding and developing meaning in your own work.

    In a recent podcast Ross and I talked about the commonalities abstraction has with other approaches to art as well as its unique aspects. We mentioned then that there are challenges for artists working in abstraction and today we’ll talk more about that. How to bring meaning and individuality to the work?

    An idea that some find hard to grasp—thinking abstraction is simply design or random occurrences. Yet all you have to do is recognize that people have personal voices and recognizable styles to know that there is more going on than that.

    Odd that imagery = meaning for many people. Tied to a strictly literal way of thinking and interpreting. Using only a small part of our means of appreciating the world.

    Labeling of imagery can lead to a shallow interpretation of any kind of art including realism—ask more questions, why has the artist chosen the subject matter, how is it handled. True appreciation never stops with identifying subject matter even when it is the most obvious component.

    Abstraction—usually imagery is removed from the equation, or if it is there it is handled in a non-illusionistic way. We can jump in more readily to the interesting things—what’s behind the work. Labeling does not need to intrude. Abstraction includes the artist's experiences, emotions, thoughts.

    We do accept non-literal associations through our other senses--hearing, smelling, tasting.

    Our human brains seek structure and meaning-- but literal image is only one type of structure. Look for how the artist has structured the work as a way in. Notice contrasts, how the visual elements are used and which ones.

    As the artist, abstract painting requires abstract thinking. Letting go of labels, letting yourself be carried by ideas, feelings, memories. No need to explain, stay logical. We've all founnd ourselves caught in reveries without visual reference.

    At the same time give yourself some structure—identify intentions, preferred elements, use of form and content.

    Getting away from linear thinking does NOT mean lack of content. Many things bring meaning to our lives that are not clearly defined.

    Sources of abstraction include any aspect of experience you care to bring to your work—in any combination. We can be pulled off track into the familiar when "things" appear as part of the process. this can be very random.

    Intuition does not mean finding something identifiable things in the painting but rather playing off important visual elements.

    Intentions: important to set them to develop and understand yourself and meaning of your work. Your essential character and core values and feelings. They make your work you. They can evolve over time.

    Challenges for Artists /personal voice
    Idea that abstract artists as need to be more individualized or unique because they are creating their own realties rather than depicting a shared one as with realism.

    BUT like other approaches, there are similar appearances. Ex: geometric abstraction, abstract expressionism.

    Learn about artists working in these ways and how your work might be seen in that context, the history and cultural connections among people.

    You can feel quite lost without these references. Be open to various influences that mix and enrich your work. Influence doesn't mean it has to have obvious visual siilarities. Can be an intrigue with process, background, thoughts.

    What other aspects of your life bring meaning to your work? what are you interested in?

    Expressing your complete self is an advantage of abstraction. The multiplicity of influences and sources both external and internal can be very rich. Keep an ongoing awareness of these. This can also include spontaneous, intuitive work.

    Involves a lot of personal, inner work--a very examined life. An understanding of yourself.
    Intentions involve both personal content and formal aspects (such as exploration of color.)

    Be willing to examine your own inner impulses, and for ways to communicate those . be able to think in an abstract way, don't over-explain. Difficult but can look easy to outsiders. Analytic phase interspersed with flow. That takes a lot of experience.

    trying to sort all this out may require simplifying, finding a structure, talking about it out loud.
    Intuition does play a huge role.

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    Special Guest: Jerry McLaughlin.


    Episode 85: What is Unique About Abstraction? Aug 17, 2019
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    Intro:
    Many people find abstraction very challenging to either create or appreciate because it seems so different from more realistic approaches and it seems hard to find a way in. Although in some ways there are radical differences, there are also some basic similarities with representational art. Today we’ll talk about abstraction in a way that may help your efforts to understand it as an artist or art appreciator.

    Realism and abstraction often both get put into fairly rigid boxes in many people’s minds, yet there are also artists who have worked well in both and lots of gray areas in between, or who work back and forth between these styles freely.

    All art = translation of some kind. Starting with a source, an idea, something seen, thought, known or felt.

    Artist wants to interpret the source in a meaningful way. Which path to take? As an artist, be open, follow your gut, no easy answers with any approach

    Quick run through some broad/simplified categories of art approaches: Lots of overlap, these are all continuums-- but for discussion purposes

    Realism/Illustrational—as close to what is observed as possible. Can be narrative, allegorical or straight forward observation—artists motivation varies. 
    
    Interpretive—subject matter is very important and identifiable BUT artist’s personal style/interpretation is important. emphasis on technique or particular visual elements. Van Gogh example. Surrealism. Expressionism. 
    
    Abstraction—ideas, visual input, emotions are interpreted with varying degrees of recognizable subject matter—from some inclusion of subject matter (Picassos abstracted figures) to pure abstraction/no recognizable image/abstract expressionists 
    

    like Pollock. Includes Mimimalists like Agnes Martin.

    When subject matter is included it tends to be loosely defined, and either a vehicle for emphasis on color or technique, or symbolic 
    
    Conceptual art—might be its own category but definitely a lot of overlap with abstraction. Visual image may not be part of it at all. Performance art, ephemeral art. 
    
    Abstraction is a huge, broad category. Discussed in early podcast #13 and 14
    

    Not a small box of non=representation only, or any one way of working. So broad in fact that aspects of it can be found in all other approaches.

    . Similarities: what is NOT unique about abstraction
    **All artists (with exception of some conceptual art) use visual elements /principles of design to create their work—these building blocks are basically purely abstract. An abstract language.

    Visual elements—color, value, line, shape, form, texture
    Design principles—aspects of composition, distribution of visual weight, contrast, unity

    Art school or independent study teaches much of the same basic principles of art to everyone. Important no matter which path you take. (A misperception that abstract artists do not need to know basic skills, that it is entirely free-form. These are very basic tools for all artists. )

    Structure and tension are important no matter what the style.

    **All artists deal with relationships between parts of their work. A realistic landscape painter is thinking similarly to an abstract painter in placement of shapes, colors, movement of eye throughout the painting.

    **Communication—trying to convey a perspective, idea, emotion, interest, bridging the gap between one’s own perception and the viewers

    A matter of how your sources or input are translated, more literally or more abstractly.

    ** growth/development: all serious artists share this goal/ abstraction is certainly not an easy path though some may assume it to be so

    Unique aspects of Abstraction:
    Creating a different kind of reality/ based on thought, emotion, imagination—tapping into viewer’s subconscious or non-linear thoughts, associations

    Emphasis on a few visual elements within one work ---takes viewer’s interpretation away from more illustrational reality. Recognize which elements the artist is focusing on and this can be a basis for understanding the work.

    Challenging to viewers: Many people want to see something in the work as a way in—but realize the way in may be something like exploration of color for its own sake, like music without words. No easy labels. Requires a letting go, an immersion, allowing your own feelings and gut responses. Artists have to accept some will never “get” their work.

    Integration of numerous sources: unlike more illustrational kinds of art. Can involve a lot of free association, influence from the visual world, memories, pure impulses of color, line or shape.

    “Making something out of nothing” – yet there is plenty to work with, it is just not presented in a linear way

    Wrap-up:
    Sometimes people think as an abstract painter myself I would not appreciate other styles—but the principles of good art carry across styles. I like to point this out so that people open up more to abstraction, and also to help those beginning with abstraction see that it is not an entirely different world.

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    Episode Mentioned:

    https://messystudio.fireside.fm/13 (Diving Into Abstraction Part 1)

    Summary


    Episode 84: What the Creative Process Teaches Us Aug 10, 2019
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    A few weeks ago Rebecca posed the question on Facebook, “what has your art practice taught you? Are there things you’ve learned as an artist that help you with other aspects of life? There were a lot of responses that were deep, insightful and passionate. Today we’re going to talk about this topic and some of what the artists said who responded to the question.

    What does your art mean for you as a person living your life? How does what you do in the studio lead you to be a better person or have a more fulfilling life?

    I realized in posing the question it is hard to separate out studio practice from the rest of life, or from who we are as people. But thought it would be interesting to get other artists ideas on this.

    May lead to future podcasts, let us know if you’d like to more about any of these ideas

    reading the answers was uplifting/ how deeply these artists feel about what they do, central to their lives and who they are.

    Answers ranged from the somewhat concrete (such as learning to see and pay attention to the world) to others quite spiritual or soulful. A lot had to do with self-esteem, sense of accomplishment, learning to see things through.

    Probably most people could have gone on at length as their statements were pretty concise and pithy. Not an easy question to sum up, covers a lot of ground.

    The root of the question: Consider the person you are when making art -- can you and do you access that in dealing with daily life. If not, can be a huge challenge but awareness is a start.

    some natural, organic change over time though--because you are living it in the studio, a big part of your ife

    Example—
    patience, letting things unfold, living with some uncertainty.
    Letting things go, moving on
    Is there carry over?

    These can be big issues—and what we learn from art practice is ongoing—we can glimpse it but forget, over and over. But still there may be progress over time.

    My own response: my art practice
    In terms of personality—has made me more trusting and optimistic about life in general –that endless cycle of trial and error and coming through in the end—still learning
    the big picture--how I process life’s experiences, a loop of input and output, leading to overall deep satisfaction, sense of living a full and self-reflective, life –integration of inner and outer experience.

    Creative practice and healthy emotional life:

    Happiness, sense of purpose in life

    self-knowledge --increased self-awareness on some level: authenticity, what is your true voice; trusting in intuition

    Self-confidence/self-acceptance /knowing yourself and what you want, what is right in the moment. Helps with business side too.

    Ability to be happy in solitude and treasure alone time/learning to dedicate your studio time

    Spiritual aspects: connected with meditation practices, being present, sense of deep gratitude
    Focus on the moment not the outcome, valuing the journey

    Humility, letting go, learning that sometimes things turn out best when we step out of the way and stop trying to control everything

    Lessons learned:

    Being willing to try and fail, take risks, value of what is learned the hard way

    problem solving—how to overcome obstacles, “thinking laterally”, letting things evolve

    Perseverance

    really seeing the world around us in both visual and conceptual ways

    Wrap-up: the question tapped into people’s passion for their work—and how much a part of who we are it is. Every one of us can be grateful for what our work brings to our lives in positive ways.

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    Episode 83: Your Art Stories Aug 03, 2019
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    Intro

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    Notes
    When we are in the midst of things, it is easy to lose sight of the big picture of our own journey as an artist. We tend to focus on the day to day, the ups and downs of whatever we are currently working on, as well as on future goals and plans. But every now and then it’s good to appreciate the path we’ve walked on to this point, how one thing has led to another.

    Prompted by several recent Facebook posts
    an artist having a retrospective exhibit gave thanks to everyone who had helped and supported her along the way
    an artist was thinking about how her initial experiments with a particular medium led to a whole series and the sale of that first playing-around painting.

    Whether you’re just starting out or have been making art a long time you can look back and connect any number of dots (—when this particular thing led to that—when this opportunity presented itself—when someone encouraged you to try something. )

    Reminds me of the Talking Heads song, Once in a Lifetime: “And you may ask yourself, well how did I get here???”

    True for many aspects of life
    Esp. for art career may be helpful when things are not going well, discouraged or having rejection to deal with

    You build a history that can keep you on track/guard against discouragement/give you confidence

    Keep track of that history in notes, journals, sketchbooks, older work--even unintentionally you leave a long trail of where you have been

    May be interesting to write or think about more directly:
    Pondering the journey/questions
    Where did the art urge originate for you?
    Who were your mentors? Did you search for them deliberately or did that relationship evolve?
    At what point did you start to call yourself an artist?
    Looking back were there breakthrough paintings or insights that pointed the way?
    What have been the hardest times to keep going and how did you push through?

    Any/all of these can be explored in journaling or conversation -- helps you appreciate how complex /challenging this path as an artist can be.

    Give yourself credit for persevering
    Give others credit for their help and support
    Nobody does this alone

    Gratitude—for the people who really see you and understand your needs as an artist—rare and important—family, friends, mentors and teachers

    Realize that you can be that support for other artists on their path

    Seeing your art journey as an unfolding story—the big picture—helps you see past any current difficulties.
    What recurs? ebbs and flows in success, times of focus and motivation/times of searching and transition

    Path of a particular work of art that ended up being sold or recognized in some way.  The chain of events in retrospect can seem amazing—you never know at the start.
    (personal story of Red Bog—recognized by John Seed—developed rapport with him/wrote forward to our book. Painting itself= warped panel, eventually purchased by gallery owner for personal collection, happy ending.)
    
    Path of a particular choice of medium or other aspect of form—cold wax for me
    

    Seeing the big picture also helps you talk about and describe your work in a more meaningful way. Not that you have to give your whole history but introspection generally leads to insights. Our personal voice is the result of our journey so think about how aspects of your art life have contributed--

    How have your intentions or goals for your work changed over time? I notice that over time my ideas open up, become more expansive in what I will consider doing, as a result of growth of confidence, a more free feeling. But this only came after years of more narrow focus. 
    

    Looking back I see how important it was to have distinct focus.

    Cyclical aspects—what recurs? Themes in your work, aspects of form or content that find new expression over time? Compare a current work with one from ten years ago—what is consistent?

    Giving an artist talk—a topic for another podcast, but others do find the story of our journey interesting. How have your experiences as an artist led to your current work?

    Promotion: We all do have a story and story engages other people…what about your own journey could be used to promote your work? Be a little cautious not to lose professional image but indicating how you have devoted yourself to your work is good.

    Wrap-Up: Losing sight of the big picture is easy to do when we all have so much on our minds in the day-to-day aspects of our art practice -- often thinking ahead to the future but not appreciating how far we’ve come. But our story as an artist is what creates our personal voice and it is something other artists and the larger art world often finds interesting


    Episode 82: Giving an Artist Talk Jul 28, 2019
    Show notes

    Public speaking ranks very high when it comes to events in your life that create anxiety. Yet as part of an art career at some point you will be called upon to speak about your work. This could range from an informal gathering of people you know to an interview on widely shared media. Why should you embrace these opportunities and how can you handle them without too much stress?

    NOTES:
    Even very professional artists who have appeared on the podcast have approached the idea with nervousness—
    Even harder when you are physically present

    Memories of High school speech classes—somewhat random topic, judgement from other students, teacher, being graded on your performance

    Much different when speaking about what you love/are passionate about, to an interested audience

    They are on your side and will be forgiving—all glad it’s you up there and not them!

    Even if you mess up it may be endearing—famous patty Smith moment when she forgot words to Bob Dylan song at his Nobel prize ceremony. She kept her poise, apologized, and continued.

    Not to say it may not be nerve-wracking!
    Anecdote about having to speak on a stage at opening

    Why accept invitation to speak: unique opportunity to connect with people who want to understand your work better. Merging of You and your work—the human connection. This is what to focus on—there may be benefits for sales or other opportunities but best to put that aside, just view as connection, conduit to reach others about your work, intentions,

    Basic tips—
    --be as alert as possible/don’t over-consume at an event prior to speech
    -- nice to have a podium, somewhere to put notes, water, rest hands—pedestal in gallery?
    --provide notes for your intro given by whoever is doing that
    --speak slowly!!
    -- be aware of ums and you knows but don’t worry too much-- they are normal parts of most people‘s speech
    --be aware of your tone, not preachy-- try to aim for friendly and accessible, a lot of TED talks are good examples, a little humor, aim to be engaging
    --if possible show slides, much easier with visual aids
    --if in a gallery move around a little between pieces or at least point out different ones, give people something to look at besides your face
    --invite questions, admit if you have hearing issues/get help
    --don’t over analyze afterward—you will always think you sounded worse than you did

    Big issues—How to gauge your audience/who are they
    A gallery crowd? (may have more art knowledge) Community group (maybe less)
    Most audiences are mixed/people with art backgrounds and not
    Pitch to the middle, don’t assume too much nor talk down to people
    Quickly explain as an aside any technical or art terms people may not know, for example “Monotype” or say Bachelors of Fine Art instead of just BFA
    Explain conceptual simply—instead of saying you wanted to investigate/challenge something, give examples of the kind of questions you asked yourself—“I asked myself, how can I work with this idea?” and what you came up with
    Offer a way in to your thoughts as a PROCESS not like you have all the answers

    Scripting--How much planning? Notes or not? They can make you sound stilted; temptation to read --there are times when reading is OK—such as a formal lecture
    Depends on how complex your material is
    Is there a need to include each step to make your point?

    Informal talk—best to just practice ahead and use minimal notes
    You will go off topic but that’s OK
    Better to loosen your ideas of control and be more natural
    Biggest plus is to be real, natural, yourself—also very hard in front of an audience. Don;’t worry if you feel like you’re acting—you are to some extent

    Ways of organizing a talk about your work:
    Chronological—can be boring if audience doesn’t sense overall themes
    Chapters—ideas/themes, influences, some biography/chronology, current work
    Focus only on certain series or ideas
    Include something about your process

    Basically what is your story—include struggles and challenges
    Avoid focusing on what has sold or going on too much about accomplishments, or being impressive—just be straightforward --audience will be sensitive to bragging. Many people have habit of comparing themselves negatively to those they regard as successful.

    Length of talk, probably you will be given a length. Ask someone to signal you half way and in last ten minutes. Friend of family member can raise a hand part way or something,

    Wrap-up—Accepting the challenge to talk about your work in any context is a way to be seen as the human being behind the work. Audiences at an art talk tend to be very interested and accepting, non-judgmental. As with anything, it all gets easier with practice.

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    Notes


    Episode 81: Another (Freewheeling) Conversation With Dan Addington Jul 20, 2019
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    Notes
    Rebecca speaks with Dan Addington, owner of Addington Gallery in Chicago, Illinois about his perspective as both gallery owner and artist. Dan weighs in on when and how to approach a gallery, how we as artists can best work with our galleries, and his number one pet peeve when hanging an exhibit.

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    Special Guest: Dan Addington.


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