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    The Messy Studio with Rebecca Crowell

    Artist Rebecca Crowell shares experiences and thoughts from three decades of painting, teaching and traveling, as well as her conversations with other artists. She is joined by her co-host, producer, and son, Ross Ticknor, who brings an entrepreneurial Millennial perspective. The conversations are broad and eclectic, focused on ideas, information and anecdotes that other artists may find helpful in their work and careers. A new episode is uploaded every weekend!

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    Episode 70: The Importance Of Drawing May 04, 2019
    Show notes

    Drawing is something a lot of artists do regularly, but for others -- especially abstract artists-- it has been pushed back to a musty corner with art-school exercises or early work in realism. But drawing, including abstract drawing, is an excellent way to keep your work vital and personal. What is the role of drawing in your work, and is it something that you would like to develop?

    Episode mentioned: https://messystudio.fireside.fm/21
    https://messystudio.fireside.fm/68

    Piece mentioned: https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/destinations/2013/04/11/possible-van-gogh-painting-exhibit/2074219/

    Relates to discussion about drawing in podcast about Intuition with Nuala Clarke and Joanna Kidney, both find it important part of their process (#68)

    Drawing def. by Miriam Webster shows the narrow way in which many regard drawing:
    “the art or technique of representing an object or outlining a figure, plan, or sketch by means of lines”

    Oxford English dictionary is similarly limited: “a picture or diagram made with a pencil, pen, or crayon rather than paint”

    “I can’t draw” is like “I can’t cook”—there are lots of ways to approach it and once you find something that works for you, you may want to expand your repertoire

    Maybe why many current artists prefer the term mark-making/more inclusive –we’ve discussed this when talking in earlier podcasts about visual elements

    A look at contemporary and modern artists’ drawings may be enough to open your mind if you are stuck in this mindset: famous ones like Cy Twombly, Agnes Martin, many famous painters also have done incredible drawings, too numerous to mention

    Using non-traditional materials, surfaces, even drawing right on gallery walls—
    Rocio Rodriguez—
    Linn Meyers

    Some contemporary work hard to define as drawing in any traditional sense—for example
    drawing with wire or sticks
    huge scale, tiny scale,
    everything from very expressive and loose to intricate and controlled (Michael Geddis #21)

    Many painters include drawing within their imagery, done with paint, paint sticks, or other techniques to create lines or marks. Drawing does not need to be a separate category.

    Why is drawing important?
    **as personal notes: keeping a sketchbook of some sort—can be drawings from life, or non-referential drawing, doodles, marks—accessing intuition, identifying interests, making observations, noting ideas

    ** traditional role of drawing as study for paintings/sculptures. Study=exploration; you don’t need to copy your drawings—they are just the first steps

    **drawing may be shared or just for yourself; tends to make people self-conscious like handwriting but lots of us doodle, not meant as serious art, but can feed your other work, it is not unimportant just because you don’t include it in your main work

    **be open to drawing from reality even if an abstract artist but don’t limit to that, and same goes for realist artists—try some more abstract kinds of free mark-making. You can learn from either direction.

    **as personal expression—explore a range of types of mark-making—different media, techniques, range of fluency/control, range of emotional expression, asemic writing

    **as part of personal voice—discovering kinds of marks that seem like you, that may include imagery or symbols, outlines, geometric forms—use these freely in abstract work

    Tips for working with drawing:
    **pay attention to what others do in their work, what do you respond to?
    **think of drawing as a way to add visual texture
    **as a way to add structure—to lead eye through the work
    **consider where a line or mark could make a real contribution, and what kind of mark that would be

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    Episode 69: Interview with Keith Wilson: Seeing What's Around You Apr 25, 2019
    Show notes

    Rebecca talks to Keith Wilson, an artist from Northern Ireland, about his working process and his way of finding importance in his immediate surroundings.

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    Special Guest: Keith Wilson.


    Episode 68: Intuition Apr 18, 2019
    Show notes

    Rebecca discusses the role of intuition in abstract work with Nuala Clarke and Joanna Kidney at Ballinglen Arts Foundation in Ireland.

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    http://www.ballinglenartsfoundation.org/

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    Special Guests: Joanna Kidney and Nuala Clarke.


    Episode 67: Responding To Poetry Apr 13, 2019
    Show notes

    In this episode, Rebecca speaks with us again from the Ballinglen Arts Foundation in County Mayo, Ireland where she is on a 3-week painting residency. Today she’s going to talk a little about the residency in general and specifically about a project she is working on there, a series of paintings based on a poem by the Irish poet Seamus Heaney.

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    A little background about Ballinglen /an artist residency est. in 1992 to bring established
    artists and younger artists of recognized ability from Ireland and internationally to
    North Mayo. The benefit to the community was recognized from the beginning—an
    area of economic downturn, population dwindling. The latest development is the
    construction of the Ballingeln Museum of Contemporary Art to house the
    collection of art donated by fellows and to host curated exhibits.

    Fellowships—6 weeks (can be divided) and include housing and a studio.
    4-5 artists at a time/quite competitive esp. as profile getting larger w/museum
    construction

    Since 2013 also hosting week-long workshops led mostly by current or former
    fellows.

    Typical day for me—in the studio most of the day with time out for a walk. About a
    mile and a half to the beach; other good places to walk also
    Early to bed/no wifi or other distractions in the cottages.

    Enjoy socializing with other artists when that happens; but everyone works very
    hard and are focused on their work

    My project:
    Invited into a 2/person exhibit with Jerry to be based on the theme of response to
    poetry/poetry of our choice, no mother parameters.

    Not a big poetry reader myself but have been drawn to the work of Seamus Heaney
    B. Northern Ireland 1939/died Dublin 2013

    The Nobel Prize in Literature 1995 was awarded to Seamus Heaney "for works of
    lyrical beauty and ethical depth, which exalt everyday miracles and the living past."

    His work contains many references to his rural upbringing as well as to modern day
    Ireland—sometimes very down to earth, other times spiritual references, sometimes
    shifting within the same poem.

    Dualities of material/transcendant, life/death. Topics of memory, journeys,
    transformation

    I chose his long poem in four parts: Squarings—reference to marbles/ “anglings,
    aimings, feints and squints you were allowed before you’d shoot” overall shifting
    perspectives throughout the poem on many levels

    The 4 sections are Lightenings (which he explains as the “phenomenal instant when the
    spirit flares with pure exhilaration before death.”) Settings (referring both to places and
    the act of anchoring things, memory) Crossings (journeys/transitions) and Squarings.

    Written after the death of his parents and themes of memory and the journey of life are
    throughout. Seems like a search for meaning in life.

    The whole poem has a particular structure such as 12 lines in each poem within it, 12
    sections in each of the 4 parts, which he said came to him intuitively.

    Not much analysis written about the poem—I looked—but that was good actually
    because I’ve had to really study it. It keeps revealing more every time I read it.
    (Reassuring to me that I can still read deeply in this age of quick reads and overload of
    info.)

    So the reading and re-reading is part of the whole process, every day.
    How to respond to the poem which is very complex, full of imagery yet also ,much that
    is hard to pin down.

    Decided to do 12 paintings but beyond that not to confine myself to numerical structure
    of the poem. It is actually very freely constructed with poems in one part referring to
    other parts.

    Certain moods and images struck me from the work and these I keep in my mind in a
    general way but trusting that some essence of the poem will come through without
    forcing. Not illustrations but free interpretations.

    I’ve finished 7 so far—
    In terms of form and content: An open-ended feeling—what techniques will capture the
    content?

    Emphasis on line—related to the act of writing poetry? My own use of line
    Flat, graphic quality, some remind me of prints—they are done on paper which I will
    eventually mount but these aspects of form also relate to poetry in book form
    Some symbolic drawing into the surface related to specific images from the poems
    Strong shapes and contrasts—relate to the dualities of his themes
    The abstract artist Sol Lewitt did a series of drawings to accompany the poem in 2003.

    Heaney said of these: “ They have the right balance of complete confident pounce, and
    momentary delicate shimmer.” Very different than my own—his are based entirely on
    the grid and contain no imagery; but I aspire to the same goal--

    Very interesting project /eager to extend to more poems before the show and who
    knows after that. Working with poetry seems to open new doors for how I approach the
    work.


    Episode 66: Contrast and Personal Voice Apr 06, 2019
    Show notes

    PODCAST—Contrast and Personal Voice
    This week Rebecca is speaking with you from Ballinglen Arts Foundation in County Mayo,
    Ireland, a place she returns to every year for teaching for her own time to paint. She shares some of the ideas that were the focus of her advanced cold wax workshop there, and we discuss how they relate to personal voice in your own work.

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    My 7 th time here and the 2 nd or 3 rd time I have taught only more advanced students, those that have used cold wax for a time on their own or in other previous workshops

    A little about the workshop—a full week, includes some day trips, lots of independent work time, review demos, PP presentations, discussions, individual meetings, very busy week. More advanced students benefit from some structured exercises rather than just trying to work with the techniques at intro level.

    Class structure based on several related ideas: importance of contrast both in visual elements and in the duality of concept. And the relationship of form and content in getting all of this to work together.

    Complex so let’s break it down in the way that I presented the material to the class.

    Starting with visual elements—asked to focus on 3 (imp. of limited elements in abstraction)

    Explored these as studies, in a number of small paintings on paper. Emphasis on CONTRAST.nContrasts of color, value, kinds of mark-making, types of textures.

    Then introduced idea of dualities—working with CONTRAST in terms of ideas. Dualities=opposites yet dependent on one another such as growth and decay, light and shadow, organic and human made, anxiety and release.

    Dualities provide more interesting ideas in an abstract work than single ideas alone.

    Students did some more studies using the contrasting aspects of visual elements but now
    bringing in ideas and meaning from a chosen duality.

    Accompanied by discussion of the alignment of form and content—the form = objective
    aspects of the work, what can be factually described--how do the way you use the visual
    elements, the medium, the principles of design
    Content= meaning, idea, mood

    How does the form you are using support the content/they should be interdependent and
    aligned. For example in a painting meant to express anxiety and release, there could be
    contrasting aspects of color and line that would relate to each emotion.

    many of us operate with awareness of dualities in the back of our minds. This can be very intuitive work. But bringing the process to light also seemed helpful in providing ideas and a clearer sense of direction.

    How does this relate to personal voice?
    We covered the basic idea of personal voice in episode 20

    We’ve also touched on the idea in various other episodes that most forms of artistic expression such as music and writing have a rise and fall, times when the action is high energy and other times calm, some kind of conflict and resolution –provides both structure and energy

    Consider how to approach your current ideas and work with the idea of dualities and contrast.

    Can be very energizing and open up new ideas.

    Also in describing/presenting your work it brings in more interest and focus. More conceptual.

    Example you may do beautiful ethereal abstractions—hard to describe and may be so subtle
    that they fail to attract much notice when presented in a juried situation or to a gallery.

    You can find yourself backed into a corner of "this is what I do"

    Could you bring in a contrasting aspect to the work? Perhaps consider the concrete world in relation to the ephemeral--this does not deny your interest in the ephemeral but gives it
    additional depth and meaning. Part of the painting more solid, or maybe diptychs of contrasting panels? Or simply exploring the duality in completely separate works.

    Idea of chaos/order—many artists fall into one aspect or the other but what about finding a
    way to include both sides of the duality in your work? Ordered chaos, or broken order?


    Episode 65: More About Change Mar 30, 2019
    Show notes

    In the last episode we talked about the importance of change in the creative
    process, and in the one prior to that (about blocks and lack of motivation) we
    mentioned that these are sometimes harbingers of change. Given how important
    it is in the big picture, what are some reasons we may resist it? The outside world
    of galleries and collectors can be a big reason we avoid change or worry about it.

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    For artists that rely on sales this is a major concern. Known for something, making
    sales… what kind of response will you get if you change directions?

    Legitimate concern---yet I don’t feel it is right to let that hold you back. Once
    again allowing for risk-taking can lead to better results that you might imagine.

    We fear rejection yet if the work is better, we should proceed.
    It can lead to a new audience, and being seen in a better light, perhaps more
    developed, sophisticated, on a new level

    Hardest to navigate is the transitional phase when you have not yet hit stride with
    new stuff. Be patient and open to continuing to show older work until the new
    stuff has reached a similar level of accomplishment.

    General advice for navigating public showing of new direction:

    GALLERIES: may mean loss of a gallery—but galleries need to serve us as creative
    people just as we serve them with our work. Part of that is giving new work a
    chance.

    But even if the gallery goes along with it, it may not be right for their clientele. No
    guarantees with change. Need to trust in the process.

    It may also be a welcome change, bringing in new collectors or reviving interest
    from older ones.

    Shows your growth and seriousness you give your career, you are not just
    producing

    IN FACT the change may not be as dramatic as you perceive it to be, or there is
    still strong connection to older work so both may be shown together (Atlanta
    show) Changer is internal as well as external and you may feel it more than others
    see it.

    Big noticeable is a risk worth taking--such as moving from realistic landscapes to
    non-referential abstract work –could be seen as positive, interesting move by
    gallery OR flat out rejection.

    Be prepared for either. Put your work first. Know that it will find its audience.

    Make sure the new work is as well-developed as older stuff; don’t try to show it
    too early in the transitional phase or you may impede its acceptance

    For already-scheduled show: do you need to focus on getting the new work to the
    point of exhibition? It’s the usual urge--we tend to think our current work is the
    best and want to show that.

    If at a commercial gallery get their input and realize it’s a business; they may
    decide to hold off on the newer work or mix with older.

    Not good to pull a total switch if direction just before a show. Allow them time to
    adjust to the change if they do not embrace it.
    save out enough of the older work if necessary. Send images of the newer work to
    get the response.

    At a self-curated show/noncommercial—much more leeway. Set your goals and
    go for it.

    If you need to include older work and newer work in a show it can be presented
    as two different series-- allows viewers to make connections between the two.

    Consider making separate sections on your website for the two bodies of work
    but if not clearly related, let the older work drop off as soon as newer stuff is well
    underway

    Know that you may be asked to go back to an older style by a collector or gallery.

    As in, “can you do some more of those realistic landscapes?” how will you
    respond?

    Maybe fine if you’re not firmly settled into new approach,

    OR some people do work in more than one style, always.

    Individual decision.

    Conclusion: change is a necessary process and try to embrace it in positive ways
    but be prepared for some obstacles in its marketing. They may or may not
    happen—BUT if it’s truly a change for the better believe that good things will
    follow.


    Episode 64: Changing Directions Mar 23, 2019
    Show notes

    The creative journey is never a straight path and all artists go through
    times of change in their work. These are necessary but can also be frustrating and
    painful as you head into the unknown. Today we’re going to talk about times of
    change in your work and some of the challenges that artists face, including the
    experiences of one Chicago painter who has shared her struggle with Rebecca.

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    Notes:

    “Nothing is constant but change”—good mantra for those of us in creative fields

    Change is holistic—affects your work, and how you view it, your market, your
    opportunities.

    Relates to previous podcast about blocks, which can be related to resisting change

    Necessity of change for growth, keeping ideas fresh, avoiding repetition and
    boredom—as artists we recognize this need and yet may shy away out of concern
    for other’s reactions—galleries, collectors, our own circle of family and friends

    I see it in workshops—the urge to move into abstraction –takes time

    Shows true dedication to the process

    Stressful if you have commitments to exhibit in the midst of change—wanting to
    show new work but not sure if you can pull it off in time. Go into some strategies
    for this in next podcast
    introduce Joan Geary who recently shared her struggles with change with me via
    email. (Friend and former student in cold wax workshops who has been struggling
    with change—desire to find a more personal voice and way of expressing her
    ideas.)

    Long interested in expressing light in her work but had not found her way in
    technical terms. Issue of form and content—cold wax artists tend to work most
    successfully with aspects of texture and numerous layers; many paintings tend to
    have a very solid presence.

    There are those whose work emanates light (JMS) but it’s important to find one’s
    own way

    Joan was challenged by a gallerist/friend to take her work to a new level. Felt like
    criticism at first but J. also saw the need herself. Realized she was stuck in a mode
    of trying produce work rather than keeping on exploring and growing. (Very
    typical and easy trap to fall into with demands and pressures on us.)

    Studied other painters such as Helen Frankenthaler and Emily Mason --ended up
    developing a new technical approach in her cold wax work, involves pouring paint
    onto the panel. Involved a LOT of trial and error, frustration, despair.

    Technical issue of finding right consistency and additives to allow paint to adhere.

    Chipping and flaking issues. Did research, tried a lot of things.

    Worked on this for about 6 months before achieving any success. Will post the
    painting that was successful as a result of efforts.

    Impressive amount of focus and determination. All while under pressure with 3
    exhibits on the horizon. Excellent example of what we talked about in the podcast
    about being blocked.

    We have to be open to change or stagnate. But as Joan said, growth is painful.

    How to distinguish change from simply being too scattered, which is a concern for
    many artists.

    How do you know you are growing instead of spreading too thin

    Look for connection

    It can start out as random but sometimes random means intuitive—do you keep
    on with the idea? Ask if it feels right for you, is there something truly intriguing?

    Instructor once gave me a compliment -- he could see a logical connection from
    one group of work to the next—showing exploration, moving step by step –done
    intuitively, I was not aware of it. But seeing the connection was encouraging.
    ask if it feels right and sincere to you, while allowing for a wide view of yourself

    Try and see the purposeful reasons for change, it can help to define it –

    Take your time, no rush to get feedback or show the new work

    Sometimes you need to digest it alone for a while; resist urge to seek validation
    from a lot of people right away. Social media validation is easy to come by and
    can be too influential.

    Talk to someone you trust or keep it around long enough to feel you trust it
    yourself.

    The time of creating new work/transitional time/you are vulnerable

    Not to be afraid, just know that it may take some time to really understand what
    you are doing.

    The most significant changes take place somewhat slowly, organically. Can start
    with bold moves but takes time to understand and integrate.

    Realize it can change how you are viewed as an artist in positive ways.

    In conclusion, change is integral to the creative process, welcome it, respect it,
    give it time. Holisitc, affecting not only the work but how it is seen, by whom, how
    others see your work


    Episode 63: Keeping It Going Mar 16, 2019
    Show notes

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    Notes:

    PODCAST—Keeping it Going
    Intro:
    Several listeners have asked us to talk about how to stay motivated and on track
    with work in the studio. Maybe it is a reflection of the winter doldrums (which we
    talked about last week) but blocks and down times can happen any time of year.
    How do you cope with feelings of boredom and frustration that make it hard to

    keep working?

    A big topic with no right or easy answers

    What’s the main issue? Is it actually a problem or is it your attitude and belief that
    it is a problem?

    We think of blocks or times of low motivation as problems when holding up an
    ideal of always being on track, motivated, productive but is that realistic?

    Almost nothing in life is constantly rewarding and interesting

    There really are no standards of how productive you need to be—the idea that
    we need to paint every day can be an impediment to natural ebbs and flows

    Give yourself a break--consider that you are creating your own path, making
    something from nothing, a difficult challenge to always stay on track.

    Part of the creative process is incubation; sometimes just recognize that
    being stuck may mean you are on the threshold of something new, it’s not
    a bad thing, you still need to push through but you are not on a timetable (unless
    you have deadlines)

    It still may help to just give yourself time off --you may be able to find clarity then
    A few days or weeks apart from the studio does not mean you have failed

    What else causes you to be blocked:

    Resistance to some new idea that needs to come through

    Being pushed in a direction that doesn’t feel right by something outside yourself--
    major cause of being blocked

    Recognize if you are feeling pressure from a deadline, something with a
    gallery, some positive or negative feedback that is getting in the way—

    Examine that, discuss it with someone

    Trying to repeat yourself—a big one. A really good painting can shut you down.

    Extract the ideas that interest you from the piece, it may help to put it away
    and not focus on its visual aspects –example from my own work

    Being afraid to totally change the painting—you don’t owe it to anyone to keep
    anything less than what you want

    Make a radical move

    Don’t second guess the urge to make change, sometimes you really have to
    wreck it first/creative destruction

    A “pretty good painting” –the temptation to check it off the list for paintings
    needed for a show or other commitment—but inside it does not satisfy you, may
    be hard to acknowledge that….

    Have several going at once so you can move from one to another.

    Wrap-up –

    Ross emphasises the importance of risk taking in overcoming creative blocks

    Part of creative process, does not have to be a negative thing though it can feel
    that way –deal with it in a way that supports your own path and not someone
    else’s ideal of what “artists should do”


    Episode 62: Getting Through Winter Mar 09, 2019
    Show notes

    Rebecca and Ross discuss the difficulties of dealing with the extreme winter that many artists are experiencing.

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    Podcast notes:
    Getting through Winter

    Intro: A lot of our listeners live in places that have had a very difficult winter this
    year with lots of snow, below zero temperatures, and bad roads, and all of this
    means added stress, challenges and time-consuming chores that can interfere
    with the more creative aspects of life.

    Last week Rebecca asked our Facebook friends to comment on how they are
    coping with this difficult season. Today we’re going to discuss some of their
    answers and strategies—

    Winter in Wisconsin/upper Midwest--what that has been like
    March especially frustrating since it is spring elsewhere
    the realities of things like the need to shovel one’s roof, cars that won’t start,
    impassable streets etc.

    A few people weighed in from the opposite extreme of climate, very hot weather
    such as in Australia winter—any extremes are difficult
    Answers from facebook post—
    Winter as a time to hibernate, create, excuse to say no to things and focus on
    your inner life

    Works best if your studio is in your house
    And if things are basically settled and peaceful in your life
    Means accepting a lower activity level and smaller projects or level of
    ambition; enjoying a hibernating feeling

    One person commented that an artist’s work is always going on even
    when not physically making art—planning, reading, thinking
    Some draw inspiration from winter, such as using warmer palette or
    finding beauty in the starkness

    Difficulties:
    Suffering from SAD and isolation
    Lack of motivation
    Lack of exercise (other than snow shoveling!)
    Feeling blocked and struggling with difficult feelings of lack of worth for the
    work as result of emotional stress
    Physical difficulty getting to studio’
    Frustration with deadlines that still have to be met
    Lack of daylight
    Unable to have usual ventilation/doing things outside/
    interruption of usual routines to deal with weather, hard to keep a
    schedule

    Suggestions:
    Scale back, Accept that smaller projects done at home may be necessary at
    times
    Not planning big projects or shows; but of course, this may not be
    practical—life goes on
    Imagining this ahead of time and planning/getting set up, realizing that it
    may be hard to motivate from the beginning once winter sets in
    Look for some way to do exercise—stationary bike or other equipment mall
    walking, x-c ski
    Even a short break if possible, in better weather can help
    Reach out to other artists in your area, even a call or email can help
    Move


    Episode 61: Grief and The Creative Process, Interview with Stephanie Dalton Mar 02, 2019
    Show notes

    This week Rebecca talks with Stephanie Dalton, an Atlanta, Georgia artist who shares her experiences of grief and loss following the death of her husband Robert Cowan last May--including how this has affected her creative process. We really appreciate Stephanie's openness in discussing this difficult topic, which she offered to do in the hopes that it will help others who have suffered a similar loss. March 3 marks Rob's 53rd birthday and their 26th wedding anniversary. Stephanie asked that we broadcast her interview on this day as a way to honor her late husband.

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    Special Guest: Stephanie Dalton.


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