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    The Long and The Short Of It

    What do two coaches on opposite sides of the world actually talk about when they think out loud together? For eight years and 400-plus episodes, that has been the whole of The Long and The Short Of It: a weekly conversation for thoughtful leaders, coaches, and creatives who would rather be useful than loud.

    Pete Shepherd is an Australian leadership coach and the former Head Coach of Seth Godin’s altMBA, who has worked with leaders at Google, Toyota, Woolworths, Kraft Heinz and the Australian Navy. Jen Waldman runs her own studio in New York and has coached performers across much of Broadway. Every Tuesday they take one small, real moment, a difficult conversation, a 3am worry, a question from a client, and turn it into a question or a reframe you can use today.

    The show is about leadership, coaching, creativity, fear, feedback, imposter syndrome, habits, and what it actually means to be human at work. Under twenty minutes. No guests. No ads. No script.

    If a friend sent you here, start anywhere. And come find the Box O’ Goodies, our weekly email, at thelongandtheshortpodcast.com.

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    Latest Episodes:
    250. Just Trust Me Jul 11, 2023
    Show notes

    In the latest segment of things that drive Jen crazy, Jen brings to Pete her distrust of the statement, "Just trust me," and together they think about alternative phrases and strategies that we might use instead.

    Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about:

    • Why does the phrase, "Just trust me," drive Jen and Pete crazy in the first place?
    • How can we do better than just telling someone to trust us and thus ending the conversation?
    • How might we use humility to approach leadership and earning the trust of those we work with?

    To hear all episodes and read full transcripts, visit The Long and The Short Of It website: https://thelongandtheshortpodcast.com/.

    You can subscribe to our Box O’ Goodies here (https://thelongandtheshortpodcast.com/) and receive a weekly email full of book and podcast recommendations, quotes, videos, and other interesting things that Jen and Pete are noodling on.

    To get in touch, send an email to: hello@thelongandtheshortpodcast.com.

    Learn more about Pete's work here (https://humanperiscope.com/) and Jen's work here (https://jenwaldman.com/).

    More from us in your inbox. Subscribe to Box O' Goodies. A weekly email with the books, podcasts, quotes, and other noodles Jen and Pete are mulling over.

    Listen to all episodes and read full transcripts at thelongandtheshortpodcast.com.

    Reach us: hello@thelongandtheshortpodcast.com

    Pete's work: humanperiscope.com · Jen's work: jenwaldman.com


    249. 80% Jul 04, 2023
    Show notes

    This week, Pete asks this question to Jen: What if we were to fail 80% of the time?

    Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about:

    • How might failure actually lead to success?
    • How do stakes play in to successes and failures?
    • What do risk and failure look like for Pete? And for Jen?

    To hear all Episodes and read full transcripts visit The Long and The Short Of It website: https://thelongandtheshortpodcast.com/.

    You can subscribe to our Box o’ Goodies here (https://thelongandtheshortpodcast.com/) and receive a weekly email full of book and podcast recommendations, quotes, videos and other interesting things Jen and Pete are noodling on.

    To get in touch, send an email to: hello@thelongandtheshortpodcast.com

    Learn more about Pete's work here (https://humanperiscope.com/) and Jen's work here (https://jenwaldman.com/).

    More from us in your inbox. Subscribe to Box O' Goodies. A weekly email with the books, podcasts, quotes, and other noodles Jen and Pete are mulling over.

    Listen to all episodes and read full transcripts at thelongandtheshortpodcast.com.

    Reach us: hello@thelongandtheshortpodcast.com

    Pete's work: humanperiscope.com · Jen's work: jenwaldman.com


    248. Behavior Contagion Jun 27, 2023
    Show notes

    This week's episode is actually twenty years in the making, and Jen shares with Pete the idea she's been noodling on for two decades but to which she has only recently put a name: behavior contagion.

    Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about:

    • What is behavior contagion, and how does it show up in daily life?
    • What might be some negative aspects to behavior contagion?
    • How might we harness the power of behavior contagion in a positive way?

    To hear all Episodes and read full transcripts visit The Long and The Short Of It website: https://thelongandtheshortpodcast.com/.

    You can subscribe to our Box o’ Goodies here (https://thelongandtheshortpodcast.com/) and receive a weekly email full of book and podcast recommendations, quotes, videos and other interesting things Jen and Pete are noodling on.

    To get in touch, send an email to: hello@thelongandtheshortpodcast.com

    Learn more about Pete's work here (https://humanperiscope.com/) and Jen's work here (https://jenwaldman.com/).

    More from us in your inbox. Subscribe to Box O' Goodies. A weekly email with the books, podcasts, quotes, and other noodles Jen and Pete are mulling over.

    Listen to all episodes and read full transcripts at thelongandtheshortpodcast.com.

    Reach us: hello@thelongandtheshortpodcast.com

    Pete's work: humanperiscope.com · Jen's work: jenwaldman.com


    247. Humility in Action Jun 20, 2023
    Show notes

    Inspired by a recent event she attended, Jen brings Pete the idea of how humility might be shown through action and how we might experiment with bringing more humility into every aspect of life, including within leadership.

    Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about:

    • How might having and displaying humility inspire collaboration?
    • Why might admitting you don't know something be an impactful thing to do?
    • What are some real life examples of humility in action?

    To hear all Episodes and read full transcripts visit The Long and The Short Of It website: https://thelongandtheshortpodcast.com/.

    You can subscribe to our Box o’ Goodies here (https://thelongandtheshortpodcast.com/) and receive a weekly email full of book and podcast recommendations, quotes, videos and other interesting things Jen and Pete are noodling on.

    To get in touch, send an email to: hello@thelongandtheshortpodcast.com

    Learn more about Pete's work here (https://humanperiscope.com/) and Jen's work here (https://jenwaldman.com/).

    More from us in your inbox. Subscribe to Box O' Goodies. A weekly email with the books, podcasts, quotes, and other noodles Jen and Pete are mulling over.

    Listen to all episodes and read full transcripts at thelongandtheshortpodcast.com.

    Reach us: hello@thelongandtheshortpodcast.com

    Pete's work: humanperiscope.com · Jen's work: jenwaldman.com


    246. Containers Jun 13, 2023
    Show notes

    Inspired by Brené Brown, Pete shares with Jen the idea that in order to build skills there have to be intentional containers in place, and together they discuss how containers might be built and utilized by leaders and creatives.

    Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about:

    • How might leaders create containers and hold that space within their organization?
    • How might the idea of semiotics be useful in creating learning containers?
    • What is the Socratic method, and what are some other examples of real-life containers?

    To hear all Episodes and read full transcripts visit The Long and The Short Of It website: https://thelongandtheshortpodcast.com/.

    You can subscribe to our Box o’ Goodies here (https://thelongandtheshortpodcast.com/) and receive a weekly email full of book and podcast recommendations, quotes, videos and other interesting things Jen and Pete are noodling on.

    To get in touch, send an email to: hello@thelongandtheshortpodcast.com

    Learn more about Pete's work here (https://humanperiscope.com/) and Jen's work here (https://jenwaldman.com/).

    More from us in your inbox. Subscribe to Box O' Goodies. A weekly email with the books, podcasts, quotes, and other noodles Jen and Pete are mulling over.

    Listen to all episodes and read full transcripts at thelongandtheshortpodcast.com.

    Reach us: hello@thelongandtheshortpodcast.com

    Pete's work: humanperiscope.com · Jen's work: jenwaldman.com


    245. Perspective Jun 06, 2023
    Show notes

    This week, Jen and Pete build on the saying that, "Context is everything," by doing a deep dive in to perspective giving and perspective taking.

    Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about:

    • What is the relationship between context and perspective?
    • How might leaders utilize the shift between giving and taking perspectives?
    • What are some real-life examples of giving and taking perspective in action?

    To hear all Episodes and read full transcripts visit The Long and The Short Of It website: https://thelongandtheshortpodcast.com/.

    You can subscribe to our Box o’ Goodies here (https://thelongandtheshortpodcast.com/) and receive a weekly email full of book and podcast recommendations, quotes, videos and other interesting things Jen and Pete are noodling on.

    To get in touch, send an email to: hello@thelongandtheshortpodcast.com

    Learn more about Pete's work here (https://humanperiscope.com/) and Jen's work here (https://jenwaldman.com/).

    More from us in your inbox. Subscribe to Box O' Goodies. A weekly email with the books, podcasts, quotes, and other noodles Jen and Pete are mulling over.

    Listen to all episodes and read full transcripts at thelongandtheshortpodcast.com.

    Reach us: hello@thelongandtheshortpodcast.com

    Pete's work: humanperiscope.com · Jen's work: jenwaldman.com


    244. Reframe May 30, 2023
    Show notes

    This week, Pete and Jen dive in to a topic that they have spoken about in almost every episode of this podcast: reframing. (How has there not been an episode on this yet?!)

    Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about:

    • What even is a reframe, and how can they be created?
    • What factors might you consider, when looking at an initial frame?
    • What are some examples of reframes that Pete and Jen often use?

    To hear all Episodes and read full transcripts visit The Long and The Short Of It website: https://thelongandtheshortpodcast.com/.

    You can subscribe to our Box o’ Goodies here (https://thelongandtheshortpodcast.com/) and receive a weekly email full of book and podcast recommendations, quotes, videos and other interesting things Jen and Pete are noodling on.

    To get in touch, send an email to: hello@thelongandtheshortpodcast.com

    Learn more about Pete's work here (https://humanperiscope.com/) and Jen's work here (https://jenwaldman.com/).

    More from us in your inbox. Subscribe to Box O' Goodies. A weekly email with the books, podcasts, quotes, and other noodles Jen and Pete are mulling over.

    Listen to all episodes and read full transcripts at thelongandtheshortpodcast.com.

    Reach us: hello@thelongandtheshortpodcast.com

    Pete's work: humanperiscope.com · Jen's work: jenwaldman.com


    243. W.A.I.T. May 23, 2023
    Show notes

    This week, Jen introduces Pete to one of his favorite things (a new acronym), and together they discuss the importance of holding space and sitting in silence while considering the question, "Why am I talking?"

    Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about:

    • What does W.A.I.T mean, and how could it be used from a leadership perspective?
    • How might W.A.I.T. differ in reflection and in real time?
    • What practical tools can you use to actually enact W.A.I.T.?

    To hear all Episodes and read full transcripts visit The Long and The Short Of It website: https://thelongandtheshortpodcast.com/.

    You can subscribe to our Box o’ Goodies here (https://thelongandtheshortpodcast.com/) and receive a weekly email full of book and podcast recommendations, quotes, videos and other interesting things Jen and Pete are noodling on.

    To get in touch, send an email to: hello@thelongandtheshortpodcast.com

    Learn more about Pete's work here (https://humanperiscope.com/) and Jen's work here (https://jenwaldman.com/).

    More from us in your inbox. Subscribe to Box O' Goodies. A weekly email with the books, podcasts, quotes, and other noodles Jen and Pete are mulling over.

    Listen to all episodes and read full transcripts at thelongandtheshortpodcast.com.

    Reach us: hello@thelongandtheshortpodcast.com

    Pete's work: humanperiscope.com · Jen's work: jenwaldman.com


    242. Second Time Syndrome May 16, 2023
    Show notes

    This week, Jen and Pete ping pong back and forth about why the second time trying something might feel easier and more free, and together they come up with ways to address this in the first go round.

    Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about:

    • What even is second time syndrome?
    • How might second time syndrome show up in both the acting and corporate world?
    • What are some hacks for improving how you do something on the first try?

    To hear all Episodes and read full transcripts visit The Long and The Short Of It website: https://thelongandtheshortpodcast.com/.

    You can subscribe to our Box o’ Goodies here (https://thelongandtheshortpodcast.com/) and receive a weekly email full of book and podcast recommendations, quotes, videos and other interesting things Jen and Pete are noodling on.

    To get in touch, send an email to: hello@thelongandtheshortpodcast.com

    Learn more about Pete's work here (https://humanperiscope.com/) and Jen's work here (https://jenwaldman.com/).

    More from us in your inbox. Subscribe to Box O' Goodies. A weekly email with the books, podcasts, quotes, and other noodles Jen and Pete are mulling over.

    Listen to all episodes and read full transcripts at thelongandtheshortpodcast.com.

    Reach us: hello@thelongandtheshortpodcast.com

    Pete's work: humanperiscope.com · Jen's work: jenwaldman.com


    241. Gravitas May 09, 2023
    Show notes

    After "gravitas" was brought up in many of Pete's recent workshops, he and Jen dig in to the meaning of the word and how it might be applied to leadership.

    Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about:

    • What does gravitas even mean, and is it something to aim for?
    • If you are feeling stuck, what are some tools for getting unstuck?
    • What are some qualities, in addition to gravitas, that might be useful for leaders? And how might those be cultivated?

    To hear all Episodes and read full transcripts visit The Long and The Short Of It website: https://thelongandtheshortpodcast.com/.

    You can subscribe to our Box o’ Goodies here (https://thelongandtheshortpodcast.com/) and receive a weekly email full of book and podcast recommendations, quotes, videos and other interesting things Jen and Pete are noodling on.

    To get in touch, send an email to: hello@thelongandtheshortpodcast.com

    Learn more about Pete's work here (https://humanperiscope.com/) and Jen's work here (https://jenwaldman.com/).

    More from us in your inbox. Subscribe to Box O' Goodies. A weekly email with the books, podcasts, quotes, and other noodles Jen and Pete are mulling over.

    Listen to all episodes and read full transcripts at thelongandtheshortpodcast.com.

    Reach us: hello@thelongandtheshortpodcast.com

    Pete's work: humanperiscope.com · Jen's work: jenwaldman.com


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