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    The Julia La Roche Show

    Julia La Roche brings her listeners in-depth conversations with some of the top CEOs, investors, founders, academics, and rising stars in business. Guests on “The Julia La Roche Show” have included Bill Ackman, Ray Dalio, Marc Benioff, Kyle Bass, Hugh Hendry, Nassim Taleb, Nouriel Roubini, David Friedberg, Anthony Scaramucci, Scott Galloway, Brent Johnson, Jim Rickards, Danielle DiMartino Booth, Carol Roth, Neil Howe, Jim Rogers, Jim Bianco, Josh Brown, and many more. Julia always makes the show about the guest, never the host. She speaks less and listens more. She always does her homework.

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    #253 Ted Oakley: 'They're Giving You Another Chance to Get Liquidity. You Should Take It' May 01, 2025
    Show notes

    Ted Oakley, Managing Partner and Founder of Oxbow Advisors, joins Julia La Roche on episode 253 to discuss the economy and markets.


    Sponsor: This episode is brought to you by Monetary Metals.

    https://monetary-metals.com/julia


    In this episode, Ted discusses the concerning deterioration in economic indicators despite ongoing investor complacency, warning that earnings expectations are too optimistic while market multiples remain elevated. He shares his approach to maintaining significant liquidity (currently 55%) while selectively investing in value opportunities like consumer staples. Ted also explains his gold strategy, with bullion as a permanent currency hedge and miners as tradable assets. The conversation concludes with insights from his new book "Second Generation Wealth," where he emphasizes the importance of letting children experience financial independence and adversity before introducing them to family wealth.


    With more than forty years of experience in advising high-net-worth clients in the investment industry, Oakley implements the firm’s proprietary investment strategies and the “Oxbow Principles” to provide a unique investment perspective.


    He is a frequent guest on FOX Business News, Bloomberg Radio, KITCO News, Cheddar TV, Yahoo Finance, and many more. Oakley is a Chartered Financial Analyst (CFA) and a Certified Financial Planner (CFP). He is a member of the Austin Society of Financial Analysts. He is also a Partner of Herndon Plant Oakley Ltd., an investment company. He is a Board Member of Texas State Aquarium, American Bank, and American Bank Holding Company. Mr. Oakley is a United States Army Veteran. Oakley began his career in Dallas, Texas, over 35 years ago. He is the author of nine books: You Sold Your Company, $20 Million and Broke, Rich Kids Broke Kids – The Failure of Traditional Estate Planning, Crazy Time – Surviving the First 12 Months after Selling Your Company, Wall Street Lies, Danger Time, My Story, The Psychology of Staying Rich, and Your Money Mentality. Oakley’s primary philanthropic interest is helping children. He is Chairman Emeritus and Founder of the Foster Angels of South Texas, the largest foster child foundation in South Texas, as well as Chairman Emeritus and Founder of Austin, Texas-based Foster Angels of Central Texas. Also, President and Founder of Advocates for Foster Children Foundation.


    Links:

    Oxbow Advisors: https://oxbowadvisors.com/

    YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@OxbowAdvisors

    X: https://x.com/Oxbow_Advisors

    Book: https://www.amazon.com/Second-Generation-Wealth-What-Want/dp/1966629168


    Timestamps:

    0:00 Introduction and welcome

    0:32 Big picture macro view - deterioration and complacency

    2:05 Explaining market complacency despite bearish sentiment

    3:21 Liquidity and portfolio positioning

    4:45 Appropriate liquidity levels by age group

    7:42 Boomers' over-allocation to stocks

    8:47 Value Line Investment Survey as a market indicator

    10:52 Scaling into investments during market downturns

    11:55 Fully invested vs. current 55% liquid strategy

    14:09 Market risks: shrinking corporate margins and multiples

    16:05 Market decline without recession possibility

    17:05 Recent market movement - another chance for liquidity

    18:35 Q1 GDP insights and market end-of-month action

    19:48 Preparing for potential market scenarios

    21:26 Retail buyers and leverage in current market recovery

    22:35 Current investment opportunities - consumer staples and value

    24:48 Gold strategy - bullion as currency hedge vs. miners as trades

    27:45 Gold's purchasing power preservation over time

    30:10 Treasury strategy - staying under two years to maintain control

    31:36 US fiscal situation and future outlook

    33:58 Second Generation Wealth - inheritance and teaching kids about money

    36:17 Helping children develop self-esteem and independence

    39:16 The importance of adversity and work ethic for children

    41:37 Setting an example - treating everyone equally

    44:13 Parting thoughts


    #252 Melody Wright: The U.S. Housing Market Is In A Massive Bubble Apr 29, 2025
    Show notes

    Melody Wright joins Julia La Roche on episode 252 to discuss the state of the U.S. housing market.


    Sponsor: This episode is brought to you by Monetary Metals.

    https://monetary-metals.com/julia


    In this episode, Melody debunks the "inventory shortage" myth in housing and reveals startling truths about the current market. She explains how March home sales fell below 2008 levels despite population growth, discusses the hyperfinancialization of real estate through Wall Street and Airbnb investors, and shares insights from driving 10,000 miles across America to observe housing conditions firsthand. Melody also exposes ongoing defaults from the 2008 crisis and offers hope for frustrated millennial homebuyers waiting for affordability to return. Throughout our conversation, she provides a sobering look at what our distorted housing market reveals about the broader economy.


    Links:

    YouTube; https://www.youtube.com/@m3_melody

    X: https://x.com/m3_melody

    Substack: https://m3melody.substack.com/


    Timestamps

    0:00 Introduction and welcome Melody Wright

    0:23 Setting up the big picture on housing and real estate

    1:08 The context of the housing market's current state

    3:18 Worst housing market in our lifetimes - March sales lower than 2008

    4:18 Discussion of housing bubble and unaffordability

    5:47 Hyperfinancialization of housing

    6:15 Wall Street's role in housing after the GFC

    7:32 The short-term rental craze and Airbnb saturation

    9:03 How to see the real housing inventory numbers

    11:06 Debunking the inventory myth and where the market is headed

    12:58 FHA loan issues and foreclosure programs

    15:07 Hope for millennial homebuyers

    16:42 Advice for first-time homebuyers 18:08 What the housing market says about the economy

    19:00 Commercial real estate situation and empty buildings

    20:35 Insights from driving 10,000 miles across America

    22:43 Unlearned lessons from the Global Financial Crisis

    23:51 Ongoing defaults from the 2008 crisis

    25:02 What a healthy housing market would look like

    26:26 Closing thoughts


    #251 Darius Dale: Wall Street Is Still In Charge — Did Trump Abandon Main Street Already? Apr 24, 2025
    Show notes

    Darius Dale, founder & CEO of 42 Macro, an investment research firm that aims to disrupt the financial services industry by democratizing institutional-grade macro risk management frameworks and processes, returns to The Julia La Roche Show for episode 251 to discuss Trump, tariffs, and the risks facing the markets and the economy.


    Sponsor: This episode is brought to you by Monetary Metals.

    https://monetary-metals.com/julia


    Links:

    42 Macro https://42macro.com/

    Darius on X/Twitter: https://x.com/dariusdale42

    42 Macro on X/Twitter: https://x.com/42macro

    42 Macro on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@42Macro


    0:00 Intro and welcome Darius Dale

    0:30 Quick update on Wednesday morning with Darius onTrump's Wall Street pivot

    11:29 Original interview begins:

    12:43 Core research themes: Sticky inflation and resilient economy

    18:09 Treasury market dynamics and foreign ownership concerns

    21:24 American exceptionalism and international investment imbalances

    27:58 Discussion of technical recession outlook

    31:24 Detailed recession forecast and Fed response predictions

    33:38 Labor vs capital distribution shifts over generations

    37:52 Balance of payments crisis risks and twin deficit implications

    43:03 KISS systematic investment strategy explained

    50:57 Gold outlook and bond market analysis

    54:37 Closing thoughts


    #250 Danielle DiMartino Booth On Collapsing Confidence, Trump vs. Powell, Market Turmoil, and What's Next Apr 22, 2025
    Show notes

    Danielle DiMartino Booth, CEO and Chief Strategist for QI Research, a research and analytics firm, returns to The Julia La Roche Show for episode 250 where she reiterates her view that the US is already in recession, explains the "collapse in confidence" spreading through markets, and evaluates the growing tension between President Trump and Fed Chair Powell. Booth reveals concerning trends in consumer credit, employment data, and housing that mainstream statistics aren't capturing.


    Sponsor: This episode is brought to you by Monetary Metals.

    https://monetary-metals.com/julia


    A global thought leader in monetary policy, economics, and finance, DiMartino Booth founded QI Research in 2015. She is the author of FED UP: An Insider’s Take on Why the Federal Reserve is Bad for America (Portfolio, Feb 2017), a business speaker, and a commentator frequently featured on CNBC, Bloomberg, Fox News, Fox Business News, BNN Bloomberg, Yahoo Finance and other major media outlets. Prior to QI Research, DiMartino Booth spent nine years at the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas. She served as Advisor to President Richard W. Fisher throughout the financial crisis until his retirement in March 2015. Her work at the Fed focused on financial stability and the efficacy of unconventional monetary policy. DiMartino Booth began her career in New York at Credit Suisse and Donaldson, Lufkin & Jenrette where she worked in the fixed-income, public equity, and private equity markets. DiMartino Booth earned her BBA as a College of Business Scholar at the University of Texas at San Antonio. She holds an MBA in Finance and International Business from the University of Texas at Austin and an MS in Journalism from Columbia University.


    Links:

    QI Research: https://quillintelligence.com/subscriptions/

    Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/dimartinobooth

    Substack: https://dimartinobooth.substack.com/

    Fed Up: https://www.amazon.com/Fed-Up-Insiders-Federal-Reserve/dp/0735211655


    Timestamps:

    00:00 - Introduction

    03:31 - Discussion on US exceptionalism and capital migration out of US dollar assets

    06:50 - Exploring the implications of collapsing confidence

    08:35 - Trump's Truth Social post about Powell and interest rates

    11:59 - Federal Reserve's independence and potential rate cut decisions

    15:20 - Discussion on whether rate cuts are necessary and timing

    16:02 - Explanation of Fed blackout period and limitations on communication

    17:59 - Analysis of Trump's strategy regarding Fed commentary

    19:17 - Consumer

    22:20 - CEO confidence decline, reduced capital expenditures, and potential layoffs

    23:47 - Discussion on high unemployment claim rejection rates (44%)

    25:19 - Effects on gig economy and discretionary spending like rideshare services

    27:03 - Confirmation that we are in a recession

    31:34 - Housing market assessment and discussion of market conditions

    34:05 - Housing price outlook and structural issues

    36:00 - Closing thoughts


    #249 Dr. Gary Shilling On Tariffs, Impending Recession, And Why He's Still Betting on the Dollar & Treasuries Apr 19, 2025
    Show notes

    Legendary economist Dr. A. Gary Shilling, President of A. Gary Shilling & Co., an economic consulting firm and a registered investment advisor, joins Julia La Roche on episode 249 to discuss the state of the economy.

    Sponsor: This episode is brought to you by Monetary Metals. https://monetary-metals.com/julia

    In this episode, Dr. Shilling explains why he believes we are headed for a recession, if not already in one. He analyzes how Trump's tariff policies are disrupting global trade relationships and creating economic uncertainty while simultaneously forcing countries like China to the negotiating table. Despite these headwinds, Dr. Shilling reveals why he remains bullish on US Treasuries and the dollar as safe havens, shares his optimistic outlook on Indian stocks over Chinese investments, and advises listeners to build "fortress-like balance sheets" to weather the coming economic storm.

    Timestamps:

    00:00 - Introduction and welcome back Dr. Shilling

    01:50 - Historical context: US economic role since World War II

    03:34 - Impact of globalization on US manufacturing

    04:14 - Trump's changing approach to international trade

    06:37 - China's position and recent willingness to negotiate

    09:03 - Signs of recession and economic vulnerabilities

    12:33 - Bond market volatility and US Treasury outlook

    17:18 - Perspective on gold reaching record highs

    19:11 - Current investment allocations and strategies

    20:21 - Why India may surpass China in global leadership

    24:19 - Media coverage of market fluctuations vs long-term outlook

    26:47 - Dr. Shilling's history of contrarian economic predictions

    29:56 - Assessment of current economic vulnerabilities

    32:04 - Consumer debt and "buy now, pay later" trends

    33:27 - The US debt bomb and dollar's reserve currency status

    36:52 - Potential outcomes of tariff policies

    39:43 - Contact information and subscription details

    40:42 - Closing advice: maintaining a "fortress-like balance sheet"

    Access Dr. Shilling's monthly newsletter INSIGHT by calling this toll free number (1-888-346-7444) or visiting his website (https://www.agaryshilling.com/).


    #248 Larry McDonald on America's Market Wake-Up Call Apr 17, 2025
    Show notes

    New York Times’ bestselling author Larry McDonald, founder of The Bear Traps Report, returns to The Julia La Roche Show for an in-person episode to discuss the markets and the economy.

    Sponsor: This episode is brought to you by Monetary Metals. https://monetary-metals.com/julia

    In this episode, McDonald discusses capital flows moving away from US markets. McDonald explains how European investors are pulling back following tariff policies and growing deficits. He discusses why copper, uranium, and oil services present value opportunities while predicting the possibility of "4000 gold and 4000 S&P." McDonald warns that America faces conditions with weakness in stocks, bonds, and currency simultaneously, creating what he calls a potential "Lehman moment" of uncertainty.


    Links:

    How To Listen When Markets Speak: https://www.amazon.com/Listen-When-Markets-Speak-Opportunities-ebook/dp/B0C4DFVFNR

    Twitter/X: https://x.com/convertbond

    Bear Traps Report: https://www.thebeartrapsreport.com/


    00:00 - Introduction and welcome Larry 02:26 - Institutional investor conversations and European capital flows05:00 - American exceptionalism and crowded US investments08:24 - Understanding Wall Street research and consensus thinking10:27 - The new investing era: Niall Ferguson's insights on multi-polar world11:55 - The coming copper crisis and investment opportunity17:12 - Gold as a stable store of value compared to Bitcoin20:00 - Uranium market opportunities and tourist investors21:44 - S&P earnings projections and market indicators24:18 - Value stock opportunities in a changing market26:10 - NASDAQ vs energy stocks: the massive valuation gap28:42 - Trump's tariff policy and its global investment impact32:21 - Tariffs as both regressive tax and tax on consumption35:00 - Tariff policy creating Lehman-like uncertainty39:14 - The "emerging market" problem facing the US40:00 - Closing thoughts on democratizing financial information


    #247 Chris Whalen: Tariffs Are a Distraction - The Real Story Is America's Retreat from Global Currency Dominance Apr 05, 2025
    Show notes

    Chris Whalen, chairman of Whalen Global Advisors and author of The Institutional Risk Analyst blog, returns to The Julia La Roche Show for episode 247 to discuss tariffs, markets, and the economy.


    Sponsor: This episode is brought to you by Monetary Metals. ⁠https://monetary-metals.com/julia⁠

    Chris Whalen explains why the tariff debate is largely a distraction - part of Trump's "shock and awe" strategy to force trading partners to negotiate fairer terms as America attempts to end the Bretton Woods system after 75 years. He sees credit deterioration emerging in auto loans and credit cards while warning about multi-family housing defaults, particularly in smaller urban properties where market indicators show values 50% below their last sale. Despite market fears, Whalen believes the bond market is already cutting rates regardless of Fed action, with the 10-year yield dropping to 3.94% due to strong demand for risk-free collateral and Treasury's efforts to reduce auction sizes. He predicts financial consolidation will continue, pointing to the mortgage industry shrinking to just five major lender/servicer groups, while suggesting investors should look for stock opportunities despite current volatility.



    Links:

    Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/rcwhalen

    Website: https://www.rcwhalen.com/

    The Institutional Risk Analyst: https://www.theinstitutionalriskanalyst.com/

    Inflated book (2nd edition): https://www.amazon.com/Inflated-Money-Debt-American-Dream/dp/139428571X

    Stanley Middleman book: https://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Around-Corners-Achieving-Business/dp/B0D5PTSJVC/


    0:00 Introduction1:27 Tariffs 3:03 Market reaction assessment5:11 Investment strategy amid volatility7:40 Historical context of tariffs10:37 Main Street vs Wall Street priorities11:17 Impact and distribution of tariff costs13:30 Consumer credit and lending trends15:34 Multi-family housing defaults17:36 Real estate overbuilding concerns18:17 Consumer recession outlook20:46 Job market and recession dynamics22:57 Fed outlook and rate environment24:52 Balance sheet impact discussion26:56 Treasury market outlook29:36 Client questions about market positioning30:57 Closing remarks and contact information



    #246 Jim Rickards on MAGANOMICS: Tariffs Are America's Comeback Plan, Gold Party Just Getting Started, And The Time Bomb Nobody Sees Coming Apr 01, 2025
    Show notes

    Jim Rickards returns to The Julia La Roche Show to discuss "MAGAnomics" - the multi-faceted economic strategy of the Trump administration. Rickards explains the three-legged stool of Trump's economic policy: Bessent's 3-3-3 Plan, Navarro's tariff strategy, and Miran's "Mar-a-Lago Accord." He warns of a potential "time bomb" in the financial system if Treasury Bills are swapped for 100-year bonds, discusses why central banks are racing to buy gold, and explains why the current gold rally is "just getting started." Rickards also shares his market outlook, predicting continued market decline and potential recession before long-term economic gains can be realized.


    This episode is sponsored by Monetary Metals. Visit monetary-metals.com/julia


    More about Rickards: Rickards is a New York Times bestselling author of Currency Wars: The Making of the Next Global Crisis and several other best-sellers, including The New Great Depression, Aftermath, The Road to Ruin, Death of Money, The New Case for Gold, and his newest book Sold Out: How Broken Supply Chains, Surging Inflation, and Political Instability Will Sink the Global Economy. An investment advisor, lawyer, inventor, and economist, Rickards has held senior positions at Citibank, Long-Term Capital Management, and Caxton Associates. He is also the Editor of Strategic Intelligence, a widely-read financial newsletter. Links: https://www.amazon.com/MoneyGPT-AI-Threat-Global-Economy/dp/0593718631http://www.jamesrickardsproject.com/ https://x.com/realjimrickards


    0:00 - Intro and welcome Jim Rickards

    1:04 - Big picture

    3:01 - Tariff strategies and market impact

    4:49 - Auto industry specifics and tariff implications

    6:50 - Discussion on economic principles and strategies

    11:05 - Geopolitical impacts of oil pricing

    13:17 - How tariffs work in practice

    15:27 - Benefits of tariffs and job creation in the US

    16:50 - Economic agreements and strategies

    27:11 - Treasury strategies and fiscal policies

    30:07 - Federal land resources and economic opportunities

    31:27 - U.S. financial stability and government strategies

    33:26 - Dynamics of U.S. Treasury securities

    35:34 - Importance of Treasury bills in global finance

    38:32 - Necessity of short-term Treasury bills

    39:58 - Discussion on U.S. dollar and trade policies

    42:37 - Globalization and economic policies

    44:02 - Assessment of current economic moves

    45:25 - Gold market dynamics and central bank activities

    48:49 - Geopolitical strategy using economic tools

    51:13 - Global gold demand and production

    53:45 - Market psychology and gold pricing

    54:15 - Future prospects of gold market

    55:10 - Economic forecasts and stock market trends

    58:05 - Interest rate policies and economic implications

    59:38 - Final thoughts and where to find Jim Rickards' work


    #245 Axel Merk: Axel Merk: How Trump's Trade Policies Could Disrupt Global Financial Plumbing Mar 25, 2025
    Show notes

    Axel Merk, CIO and founder of Merk Investments with over $2 billion in AUM, shares his perspective on the current macro landscape. He explores how Trump's executive policies around trade and tariffs might alter the "plumbing" of the global financial system, potentially disrupting international capital flows that have long benefited the US. Merk discusses gold's performance as a possible warning signal, stagflationary risks in the economy, and why there is "no such thing as a safe asset" in today's investment environment. With 30 years of investment experience, he provides analysis on monetary policy, inflation concerns, and portfolio diversification strategies for navigating these uncertain times.


    This episode is sponsored by Monetary Metals. Visit https://monetary-metals.com/julia


    Timestamps

    0:00 Intro and welcome Axel Merk1:11 The big macro picture - viewing through executive policy3:34 Disruption to global financial flows4:30 Potential consequences of changing financial plumbing6:51 Role of the Federal Reserve in market disruptions8:25 What the market gets right and wrong10:26 Gold as a contrarian indicator11:57 Drivers behind gold's performance14:54 Axel's position on gold investments16:00 Investment advice for different types of investors19:12 The "popcorn" investment strategy20:31 Stagflationary risks remain22:05 Growth potential amid regulatory changes24:53 Managing investment risks in volatile times27:47 Long-term debt and entitlement concerns30:46 Global reflation efforts vs US fiscal contraction31:42 Where to find Axel Merk and final thoughts



    #244 Peter Boockvar: Three Major Market Shifts Creating Recession Risk Mar 21, 2025
    Show notes

    Peter Boockvar explains why investors must discard the playbook that has worked for the past few years due to three major shifts: the end of the MAG7 tech trade, potential cuts in government spending, and declining foreign flows into US assets. Boockvar notes that these seven stocks reached 35% of the S&P 500 - exceeding the concentration seen in March 2000 - while becoming a global "reserve currency" with central banks like Norway's Norges Bank and the Swiss National Bank owning billions in shares. He identifies emerging opportunities in international markets, with the German DAX up 17% and Hang Seng up 20% year-to-date, while warning that reduced government spending combined with weakening tech investment creates recession risk. Boockvar believes the Fed has diminished power in a new 3-4% inflation environment, pointing to record copper prices as evidence while noting that US defense manufacturers and technology companies face growing international competition.


    This episode is sponsored by Monetary Metals. Visit https://monetary-metals.com/julia


    Links:

    Substack/The Boock Report: https://boockreport.com/

    Twitter/X: https://x.com/pboockvar

    Bleakley Financial Group: https://www.bleakley.com/


    Timestamps:

    0:00 Introduction and welcome Peter Boockvar0:55 Big picture market changes post-COVID3:22 End of AI tech trade dominance5:50 Foreign central bank investment in US stocks7:47 Market pivot to international opportunities10:12 Fed and Treasury coordination on bond yields12:34 Market bounce and valuation concerns14:28 New inflationary environment limiting Fed options16:53 Record copper prices amid inflation volatility18:02 Geopolitical shifts in commodity holdings20:17 Investment opportunities in China tech22:42 Portfolio management in changing market leadership25:12 Foreign flows into US stocks and dollar implications28:21 Recession risk assessment30:33 Closing thoughts on investment approach changes32:57 Final remarks and sign-off



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