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    The How NOT To Make A Movie Podcast

    Now in our THIRD SEASON, we’re still telling the stories that made us Entertainment Weekly’s BEST FILM PODCAST OF 2022! The creative team behind HBO’s monolithic TALES FROM THE CRYPT trade stories from THE MOVIE MAKING TRENCHES with fellow film makers about how exactly movies and TV shows get made. And especially what happens when film making craft unexpectedly turns to crap.

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    S2E40 How NOT To Make A Porno Jun 06, 2023
    Show notes

    One of our big themes on this podcast is what happens when talented movie makers lose their minds… or their taste… or control over their movies.

    You get a “Bordello of Blood” when big name, talented people make a movie none of them really wants to make. Plus an insane producer.

    Caligula had the opposite problem – but with an insane producer.

    Every big name that made Caligula wanted to make the movie and for almost entirely artistic reasons. Gore Vidal – the screenplay’s original author – had a clear vision for what he wanted…

    Caligula’s original director – Tinto Brass – also had a clear vision. Problem was, his vision for the movie didn’t match Gore Vidal’s.

    Or Bob Guccione’s. And Bob Guccione’s vision mattered more than anyone’s. That’s because all the money was his.

    A Spectacular… Fiasco

    The result is a spectacular fiasco. It’s not just bad, it’s epically bad. Almost unwatchably bad. That’s harder to pull off than it looks. And I know from experience!

    Caligula calls itself the most controversial film of all time. It might be right.

    It’s not an easy movie to sit through. That’s regardless of which of the various cuts you watch. For clarity’s sake, I watched the uncut edition. It clocks in at 156 minutes.

    A hundred-fifty-six ENDLESS minutes. And if I never see another naked body so long as I live, I’ll die happy. That’s one of the movie’s odd effects. There’s constant nudity. Fairly constant hardcore sex. And yet it never feels sensual or erotic or even remotely sexy.

    The producer in me keeps shouting at it “No, no, no! Nudity doesn’t work here! It isn’t needed! Why are these people naked?”

    Can Movie Nudity Be Oppressive?

    To be honest, I find Caligula’s nudity downright oppressive. And inexplicable. In fact, the whole movie feels ill at ease. Like it knows it’s going places it shouldn’t.

    A lot of people have thought about this movie and why it is the way it is. They’ve written books and shorts and academic papers on the subject.

    Most of the criticism has landed squarely on Bob Guccione. Rightfully so. This movie is pretty much what Guccione wanted it to be. But, “Caligula” wasn’t his first time at the movie-making rodeo.

    Bob Guccione

    In fact, Guccione had helped finance quite a few movies: Chinatown… The Longest Yard… Day Of The Locust.

    The man had solid cinematic taste. He had a dream, too.

    In an interview he gave to Penthouse – his own magazine – Guccione stated “I certainly didn’t set out to make a pornographic movie”. But then he says “it’s a question of definitions”. To him, porno was “a work of bad art as opposed to good art”.

    Guccione wanted to make a “serious statement” with Caligula. His final word: “We’ve done with cinematic images what so many authors and historians have done with words”.

    When Guccione says “we”, he means “he”. Guccione paid for Caligula all by himself. Every penny in was his.

    Where It All Started…

    Now, the idea of doing a movie about Caligula started with one of the gods of Italian cinema, Roberto Rosselini.

    Roberto Rossellini

    On a Crypt-related side note, Roberto Rosselini was the father of Isabella Rosselini – one of the stars of the “You Murderer” episode.

    Rosselini wrote a treatment. In his version, Caligula doesn’t start out a monster at all. Irfan Shah (writing in Cineaste in 2019) describes the Caligula in Rosselini’s original treatment as a “SELF AWARE REBEL TRYING TO SUBVERT A CORRUPT POLITICAL SYSTEM”.

    Rosselini focused his lens on the gritty realities of post-war life in Italy. Before Rosselini though, Albert Camus had written a play about Caligula in the 1950’s. Camus’s Caligula is intellectually sophisticated, cruel but also sentimental. Irfan Shah argues that Rosselini’s Caligula starts where Camus’ Caligula left off. He’s a republican (with a small R) who wants to shock the status quo away from imperial lunacy and back to being a sensible republic.

    Those are some fantastic ambitions for this story. It makes where it ended up that much more excruciating.

    This movie mighta coulda been something. There are flashes of a really good movie trapped inside it!

    How Caligula Got To Guccione

    Alas Rosselini couldn’t get any traction with his Caligula project. And he put it down…

    His nephew FRANCO ROSSELINI picked it up. He turned to a friend for help – PAUL MORRISSEY – who had just made two films in Italy for ANDY WARHOL. Morrissey turns Rossellini onto the idea of Gore Vidal. The problem: Gore Vidal will cost $225,000 – a shit-ton of money for a script back then.

    And Italy had a law against paying any foreigner that kind of money for an Italian production. So, Rosellini needed a foreign partner to pay Vidal.

    Gore Vidal, it turned out, owned a property in Manhattan. He had a tenant living in it – a guy named Jack Silverman who, it turned out, was the president of Penthouse Films and Penthouse Films, it turned out, was looking for a prestige project for its owner Bob Guccione to produce.

    And THAT is how Caligula ended up with Guccione.

    The Trouble Starts…

    But, when Vidal finally turned in his first draft, Guccione hated it because Vidal’s script leaned heavily on gay sex scenes and not so heavily on straight sex. Sure, Guccione wanted to make a serious movie, but a serious movie with lots of (mostly straight) sex in it.

    He hired a great – and expensive – cast of serious actors: Malcolm McDowell. Sir John Gielgud, Peter O’Toole, Helen Mirren and Maria Schneider.

    Problem is, as his expensive cast began to show up, there still was no director. Guccione heard about a guy named TINTO BRASS and screened Brass’s “Salon Kitty” – a WWII erotic war drama Brass directed.

    Tinto

    Tinto Brass directing

    Depending on who you ask, Brass is either a hack or a genius. Most of the world says hack but German documentary film maker Alexander Tuschinski says genius. Tuschinski wrote his film school thesis on Tinto Brass and his original intentions for Caligula.

    So – Guccione hires Brass and right off the bat, Brass declares Vidal’s script “too bourgeois” – the work of an aging arteriosclerotic”.

    In response, Vidal tells the press “directors are parasites”. Brass bans him from the set.

    Vidal – in response to that – takes his name off both the script and the movie itself which was originally going to be called GORE VIDAL’S Caligula.

    Gosh, isn’t movie-making fun?

    How To “Break The Ice” On A Film Set

    Now here’s an interesting story. According to John Heidenry in his book “What Wild Ecstasy: The Rise And Fall Of The Sexual Revolution”, this happened on day one of principle photography –

    “Brass announced that the one thing banished from the set would be sexual inhibition. Then – with his wife, an astonished Guccione, and cast and crew members looking on – he preceded, with the help of a female extra, to demonstrate the proper way to perform cunnilingus.”

    Wow… I’ve heard of giving line readings, but that’s nuts!

    Shortly thereafter, Maria Schneider quit. She resented how sexualized the script had become. And she resented how her wardrobe seemed designed to expose her breasts every time she moved.

    Brass replaced her with a more compliant actress, Teresa Ann Savoy.

    It Begins

    Filming began in earnest in August 1976 at the DEAR studios in Rome. Danilo Donati stepped in as set designer and created twenty two sets including a giant, dry-docked, gold-leafed boat, a monstrous, manned decapitation device and palace interiors that resemble artificial theater sets.

    As Irfan Shah points out, these were “a world away from the project’s original, grittier, neorealistic conception”.

    Guccione wasn’t happy either and for his own reasons.

    Guccione wanted an erotic epic but Brass kept hiring odd-looking extras that seemed to shit on the eroticism. Actress Helen Mirren described the experience as being “an irresistible mix of art and genitals.”

    So – what was it like on the set? I chatted about that with Tales From The Crypt alum Malcolm McDowell.

    Utterly Lacking In Human-ness

    Where Caligula is concerned, Malcolm is right. Guccione was evil. When actors agree to do a movie, they expect the movie to be what they agreed to. They certainly don’t expect to have shots of people masturbating or sucking dick or ejaculating intercut with their acting.

    That’s what’s so disconcerting about the experience of watching Caligula. There’s no other movie like it. First, it makes zero sense to intercut to the sex where the movie intercuts to the sex, but, second, the sex itself completely lacks any human-ness. It’s utterly robotic and impersonal.

    As movie critic Roger Ebert also put it in his review of Caligula, it’s not even good porn.

    When principle photography finished, Guccione fired Tinto Bras and took over the cut. He brought back a bunch of the extras he’d hired and flew in more Penthouse Pets. Acccording to Irfan Shah, most of the pets thought they were there to appear in a James Bond movie.

    After shooting twelve thousand feet of hard core action in the DEAR studio basement, Guccione retired to London’s Twickenham studios where he holed up in an editing suite and proceeded to create one of the primo examples ever of how NOT to make a movie.

    Like I said, watching Caligula is truly an odd experience. There are some very good scenes in the movie. There’s some good acting. There are beautiful shots throughout. But we never feel anyone’s humanity (except when they’re being tortured or brutally killed).

    Whose Fault Is This Mess?

    Film is a language and Caligula has a strange, hard-to-place accent. The fact that it misses as a movie isn’t just Guccione’s fault.

    It’s Tinto’s fault, too.

    If Gil and I had been sent Tinto’s reel while we were doing Crypt – we weren’t, I’m just saying “if” – I doubt we would have hired him. Our approach to shooting a scene was very different from his. He shoots everything with a wide master. Instead of cutting to reaction shots, he often pans to them. Or zooms. This isn’t the best use of the cinematic language.

    While this style of shooting and editing captures everything – and feels immediate – it never feels intimate. There’s a very good reason for why we shoot things the way we shoot them.

    For all its many, many faults and flaws, Caligula continues to fascinate. Documentary film maker Tom Negovan has been working on a cut of Caligula that, supposedly, will drop this year!

    In fact, a new cut of Caligula played at this year’s Cannes Film Festival! Dozens of people walked out. As they say in France, “Plus ca change, plus c’est la meme chose”.

    Translation: Caligula simply will not go away.

    A Final Twist

    Here’s one final irony: it’s entirely possible that the real Caligula was nothing like the childish mad man we’ve depicted.

    According to the BBC, “the evidence for Caligula’s monstrosity isn’t quite as clear-cut”. Most of what we think about Caligula was written long after he was gone. The few contemporaneous, eyewitness accounts of Caligula’s reign fail to mention any of the worst stories. Like incest with his sister. Or making his horse a consul.

    No Roman writer ever said that he made his horse a consul. Philo, a high-ranking Jewish ambassador described Caligula as a rather menacing jokester, but nothing worse.

    Caligula had enemies. His enemies assassinated him and then had the final word on who Caligula was. It could well be that Caligula is the victim of bad reviews that deliberately took him out of context.

    Been there, done that.


    S2E39 Crypt And Crypt Again May 30, 2023
    Show notes

    In this episode, we’ll be singing “Chattanooga Choo Choo” because this year’s Chattanooga Film Festival is going to be singing “Tales From The Crypt”, “Bordello of Blood” and “The How NOT To Make A Movie Podcast“!

    Gil and Alan will be IN Chattanooga from June 23 – 25 as part of this year’s live events. The film festival will continue in a virtual format from June 26 – June 29. The CFF is ten years old and thrilled to have a live component again (their first time going live after the pandemic). This year, they’ll be showing (and in many cases premiering) 40+ feature films and 30+ shorts. They describe this year’s lineup as a “cinema tsunami”!

    The Chattanooga Film Festival prides itself on being an odd duck among film festivals. They’ve always leaned toward the strange and horrific. Especially the horrific – which is why they reached out to us. Cos strange and horrific!

    Crypt Again!

    Here’s a strange thing: we produced “Tales From The Crypt” about 30 years after the EC comics had had their run. The CFF is celebrating Crypt as the audience rediscovers about 30 years after we stopped producing Crypt. It must be time for Crypt again!

    Join us in Chattanooga – or virtually if getting to Chattanooga just ain’t in the cards. We’ll be hosting another table read of “Dead Easy” (the movie we were supposed to make instead of “Bordello Of Blood”), with well known genre actors playing the roles.

    We’ll screen Bordello at the CFF – with Gil and Alan watching it together for the first time and doing a live commentary – and meet with a local Veterans group to talk about movie-making.

    Finally, we’ll do a live version of the podcast where we’ll take questions from the audience.

    We also discuss the ongoing writers strike – a subject that strikes home (as it were). So, join us as we Chattanooga Choo Choo Crypt and Crypt again!


    S2E38: “I Shot The Crypt Keeper” May 23, 2023
    Show notes Meet the guy who shot the Crypt Keeper – and the Crypt Keeper liked it! S2E38: “I Shot The Crypt Keeper”

    Consider this a Tales From The Crypt reunion show! Rick Bota went aboard Crypt season three – same as Gil and Alan. Over the years, Rick was director of photography on twenty episodes (including some of the best including William Friedkin’s “On A Dead Man’s Chest”) and the first Crypt feature film “Demon Knight“. But, Rick also DP’d the Crypt Keeper segments that started and finished every episode. In fact, Rick also directed a few – one of only three people to ever have that relationship with our franchise player.

    As Gil and Rick discuss, a lot of thought and effort and hard work went into each and every segment.

    Rick went on to DP and or direct some interesting movies: Barb Wire with Pamela Anderson and entries six, seven and eight of the Hellraiser film franchise. Barb Wire is kind of a notorious failure (nothing to do with Rick’s excellent work). Rick reinvigorated the Hellraiser franchise when he took it over.

    How To Shoot The Crypt Keeper

    But, mostly we’ll talk Tales From The Crypt, how to shoot a Crypt Keeper segment and the joys of just being on that show. We got to work with the most amazing people (like the aforementioned “Exorcist” and “French Connection” director William Friedkin). In fact, Rick has a not merely a good Billy Friedkin story but a great one!

    As we made Tales From The Crypt 30 years ago, we didn’t have the luxury of CGI. The one time we did get a little fancy was on Bob Zemeckis’ episode “You, Murderer” which starred John Lithgow, Isabella Rossellini and Humphrey Bogart. Rick also DP’d that one. We didn’t realize it at the time, but we were living in the movie and TV stone age.

    Yeah, Rick Bota shot the Crypt Keeper all right – and the Crypt Keeper loved every second of it!


    S2E37: The Primus Directive May 16, 2023
    Show notes

    In the Star Trek universe, there’s the Prime Directive. In the acting universe, there’s the Primus Directive!

    Barry Primus can do it all: write, direct, act, sing and dance. He came up through the New York theater world where huge talents like Anna Sokolow, Jerome Robbins and Jose Quintero took a young Barry under their wings. When he segued into movies, directors like Martin Scorsese, Elia Kazan and Martin Ritt hired Barry.

    This one’s pretty free-ranging. We talk about the craft of acting and the crap that was the McCarthy Hearings. There are great stories about Zero Mostel, Christopher Walken, David Carradine, Eli Wallach, Martin Balsam and quite a few concerning Barry’s good friend Robert DeNiro.

    Donald Trump even gets a mention (Barry wrote a startlingly prescient line about Trump for “Mistress”, a terrific movie that Barry also produced and directed.

    And we even get a visit from Barry’s wife, dancer and choreographer Julie Aranel (among her many credits, she choreographed the original Broadway production of “Hair”).

    In addition to everything else, Barry’s a highly respected acting teacher whose taught acting all over the world. This one really covers a lot of territory!

    So, what is the Primus Directive? Simple: Live! Act! Love!

    Sounds like a plan!


    S2E36: It’s FORBIDDEN! May 09, 2023
    Show notes

    Bill Malone fell in love with Robby The Robot the moment Robby entered the classic sci fi movie “Forbidden Planet“. Characters like Robby and the Creature From The Black Lagoon completely captivated Bill. They piqued something deep inside him. Like a lot of burgeoning movie-makers, Bill spent time with a super 8 movie camera as a kid. In Bill’s case, that love led him into a career making movies. It also gave him the chance to actually own the character that helped inspire that love: Robby The Robot!

    Bill’s one of those great storytellers whose own story is pretty damned compelling. He’s been to some very cool places at some very cool times. He was backstage with a press pass at the Monterey Pop Festival, appeared as Beatle George Harrison in a feature film, designed the face mask that became THE original Michael Meyers mask, and he directed feature films and TV shows including one of the very best episodes of Tales From The Crypt ever!

    We will do a deep dive into “Only Skin Deep”. It might just be Bill’s masterpiece!

    Ah, but Hollywood’s fickle. Bill’s also experienced more than a few setbacks, too. Bad luck has found Bill directing several examples of how NOT to make a movie. That includes a TV movie we all did together for Fox – W.E.I.R.D World. Bill feels it’s the weakest thing he ever did. We’ll discuss!

    We’ll also discuss Freddy’s Nightmares (the “Nightmare On Elm Street” TV series – we all worked on it), Masters of Horror, The House On Haunted Hill and everything else on Bill’s mind. Hell, because he worked for Joel Silver (Bill directed “The House On Haunted Hill” for Joel and Bob Zemeckis’ Cark Castle Pictures), Bill’s got Joel stories, too!

    In our case, nothing’s forbidden!

    Like happy endings. We’ll talk about how Bill’s passion for movies paid off in the end (to the tune of 5.38 million bucks!).


    S2E35: “John Harrison’s Best Friends Are Zombies” May 02, 2023
    Show notes Some of our friend John Harrison’s best friends are zombies!

    You might not know John Harrison’s name (though you should!). John’s written, directed, produced or written the score for some pretty big projects including Dinosaur, Creepshow (and Creepshow 2), Tales From The Darkside, the original Day Of The Dead and the 2000 TV version of Dune. John cut his movie-making teeth working for horror maestro (and inventor of the modern zombie movie) George Romero. If he wasn’t writing for Romero, he was acting for him or composing the music. Or working on the set as 1st AD.

    John then became a rock solid director in his own right.

    But, along the way – there are great stories. Like the time John did a last minute zombie scene as a favor to Romero. After doing a bloody screwdriver-to-the-ear gag, John (who was making commercials back then) headed to meet with a client – without fully de-zombifying.

    We’ll all trade stories about making the short-lived Wes Craven anthology Nightmare Café. And, of course, we’ll talk about “Tales From The Crypt”. John wrote four episodes and directed two (including “The Pit” which starred Wayne Newton).

    After several Creepshow features and the Tales From The Darkside series, John directed the 2000 six hour TV version of “Dune” for Sci-Fi. In our conversation, John will compare and contrast his version of “Dune” with David Lynch’s version and the current Villeneuve version.

    Finally, the three of us will talk a little screenwriting craft. If there’s a secret to writing great screenplays, it’s here.

    You’d have to be a zombie – several times over – not to have a blast with John Harrison and this episode. Zombie Apocalypse? Why, yes please! Make ours a double!

    Photo 68275731 / Zombie Apocalypse © Hgabric | Dreamstime.com


    S2E34: Roger Nygard Knows Practically Everything Apr 25, 2023
    Show notes Live long, prosper and know everything!

    Filmmaker, video editor and documentarian Roger Nygard knows practically everything important that there is to know. Seriously, It all started with “Trekkies”, Roger’s first documentary.

    With “Trekkies”, his celebration of “Star Trek” fans, Roger created the fan documentary. What made it easy was that Roger himself was a fan of the series. And a fan of movies. Roger grew up in Minnesota and migrated west alongside a self proclaimed Minnesota Mafia “ice pack”. We’ll talk about their odd Minnesotan sense of humor. Think the Coen Brothers – Joel and Ethan – and movies like “Fargo”.

    Roger’s story of breaking into show biz – and staying there – is revelatory. Like a lot of Roger’s documentaries, it’s instructive, too!

    Want to know the secret of life? Roger knows it (he talked to dozens of experts, religious leaders, followers and philosophers to get that secret – and he’ll share it with you!

    How about the secret to having a great relationship with your significant other? Roger knows that one, too – and he’ll share it!

    Roger also shares the secret to making things funny and to making funny things funnier. Something to do with “faster”.

    These days, Roger edits “Curb Your Enthusiasm” (he’s also edited and/or directed shows like “The Office” and “Veep”, “Grey’s Anatomy” and “The Bernie Mac Show”. He’s got a few more documentaries up his sleeve, too.

    You might not sit down to this podcast expecting to walk away with the secrets to life and better relationships, but that’s exactly what you’re going to get! Because Roger Nygard knows practically everything!


    S2E33: “Malcolm McDowell Sings In The Rain” Apr 18, 2023
    Show notes

    For a film buff, Malcolm McDowell is a kind of movie god.

    He played Alex Delarge, “hero” of Stanley Kubrick’s masterpiece “Clockwork Orange”. Most critics agree: Clockwork is one of the hundred best movies ever made. Malcolm’s portrayal of Alex is iconic. So are the stories from behind the scenes. Kubrick wasn’t known for being warm and fuzzy with actors. He kinda saw them as useful cogs in his master vision. What was it like working with and for Kubrick? Malcolm will discuss!

    Malcolm also appeared in what is arguably the best example ever of “how NOT to make a movie” – The Bob Guccionne-produced catastrophe “Caligula”. Peter O’Toole, Helen Mirren and John Gielgud all believed Caligula was going to be a serious movie made by serious film makers. No one expected Bob Guccione to cut a porno movie into their historical drama.

    “Caligula” might be an even better example of how NOT to make a movie than Bordello Of Blood.

    We’ll talk to Malcolm about “If…” the Lindsay Anderson master work that both introduced Malcolm to cinema and got him the Alex Delarge role. As Kubrick said when he saw Malcolm’s entrance in “If…”, “We’ve found our Alex!” On the one hand, getting the role of a lifetime early in his career helped make Malcolm’s career. On the other, playing Alex typecast Malcolm. He got few leading men parts (other than Time After Time) but plenty of villains.

    He played Sauron in Star Trek: Generations – that’s the guy who killed Captain James T. Kirk! You don’t get more villainous than that. Of course, we’ll talk also about Tales From The Crypt. Malcolm appeared in “The Reulctant Vampire”, one of Crypt’s most beloved episodes.

    Malcolm McDowell is truly iconic. The good news is he’s finally found a modicum of peace with the role that made him.


    S2E32: “THAT Guy” Apr 11, 2023
    Show notes

    This week’s guest on the podcast is a world famous character actor who works all over the world in TV, film and video games from Thailand to South Africa to Berlin to Israel to good ol’ Los Angeles. Mark Ivanir works everywhere in between, too.

    A sampling of Mark

    Movies! TV! Video Games!

    Among Mark’s feature films – Schindler’s List, The Good Shepherd, The Terminal, Undisputed, 7 Days In Entebbe. On TV, he’s been in Babylon Berlin, Barry, Homeland and a kajillion other shows. Same goes for video games. If you’ve ever played Call Of Duty, you’ve fought alongside Mark. Or fought against him.

    Mark’s Story

    Mark’s own story is as fascinating as any show he’s been in. He was born in the Soviet Union. Well, in part of the USSR we now call Ukraine. His family migrated to Israel when Mark was seven. Like most Israelis, Mark served in the military. In his case, he served in an intelligence unit of the IDF (the Israeli Defense Force).

    Mark’s unit took part in “Operation Moses”, a secret operation wherein the Mossad helped the Black Jews of Ethiopia – the Bet Israel – escape refugee camps in the Sudan for Israel. The Bet Israel’s story could be a TV series unto itself. Ironically, Mark would later end up acting (as the Mossad’s chief) in a movie – The Red Sea Diving Resort – about that very military operation!

    Eventually, Mark found his way into the theatre world in Tel Aviv. Steven Spielberg hired Mark after his wife Kate Capshaw saw Mark’s face whizzing by on a video tape.

    Robert DeNiro hired Mark for a very tough part in “The Good Shepherd”. We’ve got a piece of Mark’s performance here in the podcast (check out our YouTube channel!). Mark’s work is haunting!

    Mark also worked with Philip Seymour Hoffman, Christopher Walken and Katherine Keener on The Last Quartet. He tells a great story about taking a cigarette break one day in Toronto with Hoffman and Walken and what happened when a fan rolled up.

    On TV, it’s hard to find a show Mark hasn’t done. We’ll talk about his work in Israeli TV (and the golden age it’s enjoying), on Homeland and as twin assassins on HBO’s Barry.

    Who’s That Guy?

    By the time you get to the end of this episode, you won’t have to wonder anymore “who that guy is” – the familiar one you’ve seen a thousand different times.

    You’ll know who he is and his name: Mark Ivanir!


    S2E31: “Who’s The Boss, Part 2” Apr 04, 2023
    Show notes Who’s the boss on a film or TV set? Ask the First AD. They’ll know.

    A bunch of episodes back (Season Two, Episode 18), we asked “Who’s really the boss on any movie or TV set?” One of the answers: why, it’s the first assistant director, of course! On a TV set, that’s pretty true. There, the first AD works for the producers.

    On a movie set, by contrast, the first may be paid by the producers, but, in their mind, they work for the director.

    Meet Leigh Webb

    Leigh Webb was a first AD for three seasons of Tales From The Crypt – seasons three through six – and for Demon Knight. So, mostly, he worked for us – Crypt’s producers.

    Pretty much everyone who worked on Crypt felt the same way about doing the show. It was special. Really, really special. Leigh is no different.

    As I’ve said before, one of the great benefits of doing this podcast and having deep, nuts-n-bolts conversations with friends and co-workers is that I get to learn so much more about my friends and co-workers. They’re even more amazing than I thought they were.

    Leigh Webb checks every one of those boxes. His own story is as compelling as any Crypt episode. Leigh acted in the Partridge Family and The Waltons. For three years, he drove an ambulance – which turned out to be his vehicle back into show biz and – eventually – into becoming a first.

    What’s more? Leigh’s a great storyteller!

    Along the way, we’ll dish on big names. There’ll be love for Tom Hanks. Not so much love for Don Johnson. We’ll talk about working with John Frankenheimer, Raul Julia, John Lithgow, Isabella Rossellini and Tobe Hooper. Yes – more Tobe Hooper stories!

    And Leigh will talk about his passion for skydiving. While Leigh worked on Crypt, I very nearly took up his offer to teach me. He can be very persuasive. Alas, Leigh had to quit skydiving recently – just shy of four thousand jumps. He’ll also talk about his current gig as a City Councilor in Franklin, New Hampshire (it’s Daniel Webster’s home town!).

    This episode covers a lot of territory and (we’re biased) all of it is glorious!

    When Leigh was in the biz, he was boss on every set he worked on.


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