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Your bluetooth will leave blood on the razor wire when Chad Marks hits Ramos Gallery with Big Luck's, Ol' Blue Eyes, Schwartz and Chumahan about being 24 sentenced to 40 in the fed because his lawyer dropped the ball on a 10 year plea deal, he lost hist time, his freedom and his woman but somehow, some way, he turned hell into a positive becoming one of the greatest jailhouse lawyers of all time, after helping over 100 inmates get freedom they finally released him this is the heroic harrowing horrific amazing uplifting shocking astonishing amazing incredible story of all stories and it's all true and it's all for the hard Luck crew.Transcript - Draft Version, Not Final, Don't Trip.Why don't we just roll? Yeah, let's roll. I've already told Schwartz. Okay.good morning. And welcome to the hard luck show. I'm a certified qualified west side. Host Steve lucky Luciano. That's right, ladies and gentlemen, you've tuned into the greatest show on earth. Hard luck show coming to you from the peak gold youth and family center in Southern California. Santa Monica, California.Hey, this near I've got, uh, my partner partner jumaan over here. It's to Mohan Bowen, American Indian elegant barbarian, Southern California here to regulate. Once again, we don't take any geeks off the street. You better come with a fucking huge let's go. Yeah, come on, come home, come home, come on and get some phonesat the LBC mission, trying to find Mr. Weber. That shit. Oh, come on. Now. We got our show runner Xtrordinair. Mr. Schwartz, Sean Lewis on south side, blue eyes devil inside height, man for king salmon. Oh, king salmon flavor. Flame. Yeah. Now you're better. You're your blue eyes, maybe certified professional engineer for the fish ate. Oh, that's how I look away.Right on each job. Go ahead. Yeah. Bring it in those slow grooves. Yeah. Showrunner extraordinary. Yeah. Get it. He forgot to tell everyone his name, Swartz, Schwartz. What's up. Everybody knows what's up. Carry a jar in his pocket. He's got the carrier torch for Schwartz, carry the torch andAli Baba and the 40.what's going on. Ali on the visual is no, I already know what time it is. Do what Ali what's. Um, you have kind of a, like a flat voice that people it's. You said people think you have high or something. What is it? I don't know why, but I guess like be with it. I sound like monotonesounds like he's on heroin all the time. Like he's on Cate and cat, tranquilizer, ketamine. He's like live, you listened to him. Like here, listen to the happy new year part. Like, listen, just, just to throw it back. We got them all pumped up and we're like, come on, happy new year. And this is what we get. Oh, wait, hold on.Let me do this again. And this is what we get, and this is what, it's my money. It's my thing turned up, bro. Okay, here we go. We made it 20, 22, knockout it with hard luck podcast. He sounds like he's good. He's like, Hey, he's laying down. And you're like, begging, like he can barely bring his consciousness to bring his head up and talking to them.he's been kidnapped and he's in a trunk. Yeah. Right, right. Pull the duct tape off his mouth for a minute. Like going hypoglycemic or something. Yeah. Hello everybody. It's happy new year. All right, listen. Enough fucking around. We have. We have a gap. We do have, how do we find this guest, Nick?How did we find this deep? Do the water's running on this? We found this guest, uh, by, I heard an interview that he did on another podcast actually. And, uh, it was incredible decided to reach out to the guy and a friend of the show. Uh, Chad, mark, and, uh, he's got a YouTube channel blood on the razor wire, the book out, you got a book on the reason why I go on Amazon.If you want to stop being stupid and you want to hear some real G shit and you want to read some real prison stories, you want to hear the real, the raw, the unfiltered go on Amazon, get blood on the razor wire and fucking read. Not only me and I, I read it. Not only is it a great book, but he put, he put a lot of energy into the descriptions and you feel like you're right there.So without further ado, Chad Martin and progress recording is in progress. Um, how are you doing this morning chat show. What's going on, man? I appreciate you guys bringing me on the show. Absolutely. It's a pleasure to have you on man. Quite moved by what we've heard from Schwartz. He gave us a rundown last week.Um, and then we started looking at you and Schumann dove in deep and man, just some incredible stories, man. So I don't know where, how do we start with this? Jumaan why don't we start since we're we're we're at the top here. Why don't we show, why don't we? Okay, so just to give Mr and Mrs. Earbuds, a little bit of a teaser, he's got some interesting stories about names you've heard.For instance, he may have. Been in a situation where he was able to have conversations with Whitey Bulger, but we're not going to talk about that. Now. That's just a little teaser motherfucker. We're just setting that up. Why don't you chat March? Why don't you tell us what you're doing currently, the work that you do to support people getting out of their situation.All right. So, um, let me do it this way. Right? At the age of 24, I was sentenced to 40 years in federal prison, but the prison wasn't always a nice guy in the beginning, turned my life around about 10 years in became a jailhouse lawyer. I ended up getting released on the first step back, got out of prison, put together a paralegal and prison consultant firm called freedom fighters.So that's kind of what I'm doing now helped a lot of people like Russell Simmons, son. I just did his 2255. Got him back into court. Um, the rapper little baby, you know, this might not go over easy with some of your people, but his real. It's not the dude that people think it is to do named Rodney love.That was sentenced to life. Plus 55 years. I got his stuff in court right now. So that's pretty much what I'm doing, man. I help a lot of people. I help people that call me and say, Hey, I've got a girl from Florida said, look, my baby's father's in prison. I'm poor. I worked part-time at McDonald's. I wrote his stuff for free man.That dude's got 45 years. He deserves to get out for a non-violent drug offense. Right? So Chad, how many people generally, approximately have you helped get out of prison? Probably got over a hundred people out of prison. Damn. You're a fucking Saint bro. That's fucking fantastic brother. You see that? I mean, there's a lot of people out there that talk a good one.This guy is actually putting his hand out, lifting people up. Now let me get clear on something. If you wouldn't have lawyered up yourself, if you wouldn't have gathered your own information, tie yourself, would you still be in prison? 100%. I'd probably still be in prison, man. I met this dude named Cedric Dean, right.And USP Lee. And he said, Hey man, you want to get out of prison? He said, they're going to change the law. Do they're going to bring back parole? Something's going to happen. He said, what you're going to end up doing is you're going to go to the parole board. You're gonna tell him, yeah, I got caught with five knives and I've been selling dope in here.I stabbed two people. He says that the resume you want. And I said, nah, man, not really invited me to one of his classes, man. And that dudes to do that pretty much taught me everything and put me on the right track. I didn't get out of the right track that day, but that was the start of the process. Right.So how did you, so when I read through your book and I listened to the various interviews, one of the things that came up for me. You know, you were accused of, let's say, uh, being a businessman and selling things that were illegal, but not really that violent, there wasn't any violence. How is it that you got 40 years in the fed for that?Well, it was a nonviolent drug offense, right? So this is what they did back then. You would get five years for the, there were guns involved, right? So let me explain it this way so that your, your, your viewers will probably be shocked. The listeners will probably be shocked for the first gun. It was a 12 gauge shotgun.I got five years gun. They found in the house. The second gun was a 22 rifle and they gave me 25 years for that. So you get five years for the first gun, 25 stacked onto to that, which is 30 and then 10 for the drugs. That's how they, the country is this it's our country, man, what state was that? And it's in New York, but this was a federal law.And that's something that they changed with the first step back and as crazy as this sounds right. Congress had all this stuff was wrong, so we're going to fix it, but we're not going to fix it for the dudes that are in prison. What we will do is we're not going to make it retroactive, but we're going to leave it in the judge's discretion to determine if there's an extraordinary and compelling reason to reduce your sentence.Right? So a guy like me in New York, I got out on that, a guy in Florida. You're not you, they can't get out guys in Georgia. They can't get out guys in Philly, in Pennsylvania. They can't get out under that long. All right. So let's pause it right there in what was going on in your life at the time that you were charged.And at the time that I was charged, man, I was living in the street life man thought I was a tough guy. I thought I was that dude selling drugs. You know, I had a, I had a little team and I thought I was the man thought I was untouchable. Never realized that, you know, I was throwing bricks at the penitentiary that whole time and big ones.Obviously I ended up with a 40 year sentence. Right. Um, how, what was, did you ever find out how they were able to pull a case together? Uh, Uh, 100%, man, what happened? The dude that I was a dude that I used to look up to when I was a kid, man, he ended up becoming a drug addict. I seen him one day, he's walking down the street and he waves me down.He says, Hey, give me a ride chatter. I got to go to the rehab center. Right? And he's like, but I'm not going until tomorrow. My parents are putting me in there and he kicked me out. It's pouring down rain. I give the dude a ride. He says, can you buy me something to eat? Pretty much. He's homeless about to do something to eat.After that, I take him to the hotel. He says, Hey, when I get out, will you give me a job? I also had a home improvement company back then. So I told me, I may call me. I never expected this dude to call me. He gets out of jail. I help him out. He ends up back on drugs. He ends up working for the cops, wears a wire on me.He gets me, he gets me jammed up. I ended up with a 40 year sentence over. Hey Luxe. I mean, what is that? What you shake your head? What, what is that? I mean, you've been in the game. You've done some time in prison. I mean, real prison and stuff like that. So what do you, what are you hearing here? What are your, what is your reaction to that guy?Helps a guy out and then the guy fucking turns into, oh, shit, scumbag, right? Shit. And he did it to save his own. Because he got busted for something and didn't want to do any time. So they set him up to ride them, but the whole thing, but, but that's just one part of it. The other part of it is the law enforcement, usually local law enforcement is already after you.They're going to get rid of you. They have an eye on you. So they're just waiting for the, the fish is going to show up the guy that's going to give you up is going to show up. They're just waiting on for him to show up with a possession or something. And as soon as he does, they've got a couple of people that they're going to get locked up.And it sounds like he was on their target list, right. Imagine. Right. And they were going to get them out and they were just waiting for the right guy that kinda had his way to get in and wire them up. And it's a fucking bullshit, man. And that's fucking setting somebody up. You asked me, that's framing somebody.What's weird about that. Is, is that like, how do I say this in a, in a certain way, it sometimes feels like law enforcement allows certain people to operate and do business in the streets. And then it comes a time where they decide somebody. They want to take somebody off. No, here's what it sounds like is the cops can't get you playing by the rules.See, we all have to play by the rules supposedly, but they don't, they can't get you. Now, if you're fucking up, then they're going to get you and your asked out. But if I'm covering my ass and you got to cheat to get me, and that's what they're doing, man, that's some S see, that's that dirty ass shit, man.You know? But you, you, you got your roar. I got railroad. All right. Go for it. Right. But if you got to cheat, you got to set me up to get me well that's and that's what a cop does. Cause that's what cops do. Right. It's kinda in their blood. Okay. So Chad marks, why does this not just fall to the state? I mean, it's a drug thing.So why did this turn into a federal? All right. So my city, man, it's like, my city is a viciously violent city. Right? What city is that? In? Rochester. New York. Okay. So back then, man, it was, it was off the hook. So they put a joint task force with the local police and the fence and they just started knocking people off, like, you know, dudes that were, you know, doing big things.I guess where I was at, I was like fourth or fifth on the list. There was a list. Trust me. And they knocked us off. One of the kids, they not the kid, they not just before me. He ended up getting out of prison, man got back in the game and they tied him up man and killed him. Dude robbed them, killed him. And that was, that was the end of his story.You know what I mean? He ended up with a 10 year sentence and he got out, dude, he wasn't out. I wouldn't say six months as an Asian kid. Yeah. So they, they had their little list and just knocked this down and it took us to federal court so they could match us real estate. I'd I probably ended up with three years, bro, right?Three to five to how did they make the decision though? How, how do they say like, all right, we're going to charge, you know, uh, Chad was, we're going to go through the federal system. We're not going to let them do state time. They just take over the case. That's it? Well, like I said, it was a joint task force, but if you got guns and drugs, they were definitely taking you over there.But this is the crazy part. Like your brother was saying right here, this is what they were doing. They could have had me when they had the first gun, when they busted that first house, they had me, but that first gun was only 10 years for the drugs and five for the gun. So they waited to bust another house because they knew it was another 25 years.So if we were a danger to the community, why didn't you take us off the, you know, off the street when you had us on that first 9, 24 C, because you needed that second one to really give us a banger and take us over to the fence. Right? So I think the other thing too, though, Toumani was at some point in time, They're putting him together as an organized group of people.That's how the feds are getting rid o…
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