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    The Futur with Chris Do

    The Futur Podcast is a show that explores the interesting overlap between design, marketing, and business. Our host (and CEO of The Futur), Chris Do, hold candid conversations with inspirational people from the worlds of design, technology, marketing, business, philosophy and personal development. These conversations go deep. With the aim of understanding who these incredible people are, what drives them to do what they do, and what can we–the listener–learn from it all. Visit thefutur.com/podcast for show notes and additional information from each episode.

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    The 3 Stories You Must Tell to Build Your Brand | Ep 368 Aug 02, 2025
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    We all know we should tell better stories—but how do you do it when you’re creating business content, not writing a novel?

    In this solo episode, Chris Do breaks down the YOU + POV framework for storytelling, showing creators, entrepreneurs, and thought leaders how to share stories that make their content unforgettable.


    If you’ve ever felt like your content blends into the noise, this episode will teach you how to share stories that connect—and why they’ll make your brand stand out.


    Timestamps

    (00:00) – Why Storytelling Is the “Operating System” of the Human Mind (00:57) – Building a Personal Brand That Attracts Opportunities (01:40) – Finding “You”: The Hardest Step in Storytelling (04:00) – Your Vibe Attracts Your Tribe: Matching Style to Audience (05:00) – Discovering Your Backstory & Cultural Currency (06:05) – The Inciting Incident: The Moment Your World Changes (07:00) – The Defining Moment: Becoming Who You’re Meant to Be (08:11) – Star Wars, Spider-Man, and the Power of Classic Story Arcs (12:03) – Building Content Around Your Unique YOU + POV (13:38) – Why Contrarian Perspectives Make Your Stories Memorable

    Check out The Futur:

    Website: ⁠⁠https://www.thefutur.com/⁠⁠

    Courses: ⁠⁠https://www.thefutur.com/shop⁠⁠

    Linkedin: ⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-futur/⁠⁠

    Podcasts: ⁠⁠https://thefutur.com/podcast⁠⁠

    Instagram: ⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/thefuturishere/⁠⁠

    Facebook: ⁠⁠https://www.facebook.com/theFuturisHere/⁠⁠

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    Check out Chris Do:

    Website: ⁠⁠https://zaap.bio/thechrisdo⁠⁠

    LinkedIn:⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/thechrisdo/⁠⁠

    Facebook:⁠⁠https://www.facebook.com/BizOfDesign⁠⁠

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    Why Productivity Is Burning You Out w/ Klaus Kleinfeld | Ep 367 Jul 31, 2025
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    In this episode, Chris sits down with legendary CEO and leadership thinker Dr. Klaus Kleinfeld for a deep dive into the hidden engine behind long-term success: energy. From running global companies like Siemens and Alcoa to mentoring the next generation of leaders, Klaus shares why burnout is not a badge of honor—and how purpose, mindset, and daily habits are the real levers of performance. This conversation is a masterclass on managing your inner game so you can lead with clarity, stamina, and conviction, no matter the chaos around you. Whether you’re a founder on the brink, a high-achiever running out of steam, or simply someone who wants to lead better and live fuller—this episode is your blueprint.


    Timestamps: (00:04) – From Siemens to Startups: Klaus’s Career Journey

    (03:50) – Burnout in Founders & Why Energy Is Everything

    (15:22) – The Inner Game vs. The Outer Game of Leadership

    (28:40) – The Purpose Principle: “Love It, Change It, or Leave It”

    (37:15) – Culture, Respect, and Leading Across Borders

    (45:09) – Sleep, Breathwork & Physical Hacks for High Energy


    Check out Klaus Kleinfield: Klaus' LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/klauskleinfeld/

    Klaus' Website: http://leading-to-thrive.com/


    Check out Chris Do:

    Website: ⁠https://zaap.bio/thechrisdo⁠

    LinkedIn:⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/thechrisdo/⁠

    Facebook:⁠https://www.facebook.com/BizOfDesign⁠

    Instagram:⁠https://www.instagram.com/thechrisdo/⁠

    Twitter:⁠https://x.com/thechrisdo⁠

    TikTok:⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@thechrisdo⁠

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    Clubhouse:⁠https://www.clubhouse.com/@thechrisdo⁠

    Behance: ⁠https://www.behance.net/chrisdo⁠


    Check out The Futur:

    Website: ⁠https://www.thefutur.com/⁠

    Courses: ⁠https://www.thefutur.com/shop⁠

    Linkedin: ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-futur/⁠

    Podcasts: ⁠https://thefutur.com/podcast⁠

    Instagram: ⁠https://www.instagram.com/thefuturishere/⁠

    Facebook: ⁠https://www.facebook.com/theFuturisHere/⁠

    Twitter: ⁠https://x.com/thefuturishere⁠

    TikTok: ⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@thefuturishere⁠

    Youtube:⁠https://www.youtube.com/thefuturishere⁠

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    Leadership Isn’t About Doing Everything | Ep 366 Jul 26, 2025
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    We want to hear from you. If you're open to a quick chat with our producer or any of the other options, it only takes a few seconds to sign up: https://forms.gle/Enzzpq5FCVQKbHV9A

    Ever feel like you're doing your team's work for them? In this episode, Chris Do reveals the powerful leadership philosophy of “intentional incompetence”—a counterintuitive but highly effective way to empower creative teams, avoid burnout, and build real autonomy.


    You’ll learn why micromanagement kills creativity, how to lead without hovering, and the systems Chris uses to help his team take ownership while still delivering top-tier results. If you’re struggling to balance quality control with team growth, this episode is your blueprint.

    Timestamps:

    (00:00) – Why “being bad” at your job is a power move

    (00:42) – The 2 leadership styles that fail

    (01:55) – How to lead with trust and systems

    (03:12) – When to intervene (and when not to)

    (04:15) – Final thoughts on team growth & autonomy

    Check out The Futur:

    Website: ⁠https://www.thefutur.com/⁠

    Courses: ⁠https://www.thefutur.com/shop⁠

    Linkedin: ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-futur/⁠

    Podcasts: ⁠https://thefutur.com/podcast⁠

    Instagram: ⁠https://www.instagram.com/thefuturishere/⁠

    Facebook: ⁠https://www.facebook.com/theFuturisHere/⁠

    Twitter: ⁠https://x.com/thefuturishere⁠

    TikTok: ⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@thefuturishere⁠

    Youtube:⁠https://www.youtube.com/thefuturishere⁠

    Check out Chris Do:

    Website: ⁠https://zaap.bio/thechrisdo⁠

    LinkedIn:⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/thechrisdo/⁠

    Facebook:⁠https://www.facebook.com/BizOfDesign⁠

    Instagram:⁠https://www.instagram.com/thechrisdo/⁠

    Twitter:⁠https://x.com/thechrisdo⁠

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    I Built a Business With No Degree, No Plan, and Cancer w/ Jennie Smythe | Ep 365 Jul 24, 2025
    Show notes

    A college dropout, Jennie Smythe had no backup plan — but she had one moment of clarity: she wasn’t going to follow the path others expected. She was going to build her own. By her early 40s, while grieving the loss of her father and newly diagnosed with breast cancer, she had built an award-winning digital marketing firm - Girlilla Marketing.

    In this conversation, Jennie shares how she turned crisis into clarity, and what it really looks like to start over with nothing. If you feel behind, unqualified, or unsure of your next move, this episode is for you.


    Timestamps: (00:00) – Intro (03:40) – Cancer, grief, and dropping out (07:29) – Choosing herself over expectations (11:10) – Walking away from the conventional path (14:42) – Why Jennie refuses to fake confidence (19:08) – Building with purpose and integrity (24:01) – Leading through grief (27:35) – Starting her business with zero funding (31:54) – Conversations that shaped her leadership (36:42) – The truths of rebuilding from nothing (42:13) – Identity shift: how to start over stronger


    About Jennie Smythe: Jennie Smythe is the founder and CEO of Girlilla Marketing, a Nashville-based digital marketing agency representing some of the biggest names in country music. With over two decades of experience at the intersection of entertainment, media, and strategy, Jennie has built a reputation as one of the most trusted voices in artist-first digital branding. Before launching Girlilla, she held leadership roles at Warner Music Nashville, Universal Music Group, and AOL Music. Her work is known for blending deep empathy with sharp execution — helping artists and entrepreneurs build lasting, values-driven communities online. Jennie is also a breast cancer survivor, advocate, and mentor to women navigating nontraditional leadership paths.


    Check out Jennie Smythe:

    https://www.girlillamarketing.com/about-jennie https://www.instagram.com/girlillajennie https://www.linkedin.com/in/jenniesmythe


    Check out Chris Do:

    Website: https://zaap.bio/thechrisdo

    LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/thechrisdo/

    Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/BizOfDesign

    Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/thechrisdo/

    Twitter:https://x.com/thechrisdo

    TikTok:https://www.tiktok.com/@thechrisdo

    Threads:https://www.threads.net/@thechrisdo

    Zaap: https://zaap.bio/thechrisdo

    Clubhouse:https://www.clubhouse.com/@thechrisdo

    Behance: https://www.behance.net/chrisdo


    Check out The Futur:

    Website: https://www.thefutur.com/

    Courses: https://www.thefutur.com/shop

    Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-futur/

    Podcasts: https://thefutur.com/podcast

    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thefuturishere/

    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/theFuturisHere/

    Twitter: https://x.com/thefuturishere

    TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thefuturishere

    Youtube:https://www.youtube.com/thefuturishere

    Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices


    The One Thing LinkedIn Doesn’t Reward (But You Should Do Anyway) w/ Jodie Cook | Ep 364 Jul 19, 2025
    Show notes

    We want to hear from you. If you're open to a quick chat with our producer or any of the other options, it only takes a few seconds to sign up: https://forms.gle/Enzzpq5FCVQKbHV9A

    In this playful and provocative episode, Chris reunites with Jodie Cook—entrepreneur, author and athlete — for a conversation about standing out, staying human, and showing up as your full self in a world ruled by conformity and AI. They explore the cultural pressure to "be normal," the rise of copy-paste personal brands, and why weirdness might just be your most valuable asset. From LinkedIn anarchy to fitness-fueled discipline, Jodie and Chris unpack how to build a brand (and life) that actually reflects who you are—and how being real is sometimes the weirdest thing of all.

    Timestamps:

    (00:02) – Why We Need to Get Weirder Online

    (01:19) – Turning Up the Dial on Your Personality

    (03:46) – Being a Lighthouse for Like-Minded Weirdos

    (04:25) – Unlearning the Pressure to Fit In

    (06:01) – What Counts as Weird (And Who Gets to Say?)

    (09:43) – Steve Jobs, Contrarians & the Price of Originality

    (12:09) – Context, Childhood & the Illusion of Normal

    (14:42) – LinkedIn, AI, and the Death of Strong Opinions

    (17:46) – Using Weirdness to Attract the Right People

    (18:07) – Fitness as a Life Hack (and Brand Differentiator)

    (22:10) – Can You Cheat Fitness? The Real Story Behind the Gains

    (27:11) – Craving Realness in a World of AI and Image

    (29:19) – Transparency, Weirdness, and the Power of Disclosure

    Check out today's guest, Jodie Cook:

    Jodie's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jodie-cook/

    Jodie's YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Jodie_Cook

    https://jodiecook.com
    https://coachvox.ai

    Check out The Futur:

    Website: https://www.thefutur.com/

    Courses: https://www.thefutur.com/shop

    Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-futur/

    Podcasts: https://thefutur.com/podcast

    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thefuturishere/

    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/theFuturisHere/

    Twitter: https://x.com/thefuturishere

    TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thefuturishere

    Youtube:https://www.youtube.com/thefuturishere

    Check out Chris Do:

    Website: https://zaap.bio/thechrisdo

    LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/thechrisdo/

    Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/BizOfDesign

    Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/thechrisdo/

    Twitter:https://x.com/thechrisdo

    TikTok:https://www.tiktok.com/@thechrisdo

    Threads:https://www.threads.net/@thechrisdo

    Zaap: https://zaap.bio/thechrisdo

    Clubhouse:https://www.clubhouse.com/@thechrisdo

    Behance: https://www.behance.net/chrisdo

    Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices


    The One Thing LinkedIn Doesn’t Reward (But You Should Do Anyway) w/ Jodie Cook | Ep 364 Jul 19, 2025
    Show notes

    We want to hear from you.If you’ve been enjoying the show, we’d love your input. It only takes a minute to answer our listener survey, and your feedback really helps us improve the podcast: https://forms.gle/6j5GLzwK6GQF7Hzx7

    In this playful and provocative episode, Chris reunites with Jodie Cook—entrepreneur, author, and creative strategist—for a conversation about standing out, staying human, and showing up as your full self in a world ruled by conformity and AI.

    They explore the cultural pressure to "be normal," the rise of copy-paste personal brands, and why weirdness might just be your most valuable asset. From LinkedIn anarchy to fitness-fueled discipline, Jodie and Chris unpack how to build a brand (and life) that actually reflects who you are—and how being real is sometimes the weirdest thing of all.

    Timestamps:

    (00:02) – Why We Need to Get Weirder Online

    (01:19) – Turning Up the Dial on Your Personality

    (03:46) – Being a Lighthouse for Like-Minded Weirdos

    (04:25) – Unlearning the Pressure to Fit In

    (06:01) – What Counts as Weird (And Who Gets to Say?)

    (09:43) – Steve Jobs, Contrarians & the Price of Originality

    (12:09) – Context, Childhood & the Illusion of Normal

    (14:42) – LinkedIn, AI, and the Death of Strong Opinions

    (17:46) – Using Weirdness to Attract the Right People

    (18:07) – Fitness as a Life Hack (and Brand Differentiator)

    (22:10) – Can You Cheat Fitness? The Real Story Behind the Gains

    (27:11) – Craving Realness in a World of AI and Image

    (29:19) – Transparency, Weirdness, and the Power of Disclosure

    Check out today's guest, Jodie Cook:

    Jodie's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jodie-cook/

    Jodie's YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Jodie_Cook

    Check out The Futur:

    Website: https://www.thefutur.com/

    Courses: https://www.thefutur.com/shop

    Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-futur/

    Podcasts: https://thefutur.com/podcast

    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thefuturishere/

    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/theFuturisHere/

    Twitter: https://x.com/thefuturishere

    TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thefuturishere

    Youtube:https://www.youtube.com/thefuturishere

    Check out Chris Do:

    Website: https://zaap.bio/thechrisdo

    LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/thechrisdo/

    Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/BizOfDesign

    Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/thechrisdo/

    Twitter:https://x.com/thechrisdo

    TikTok:https://www.tiktok.com/@thechrisdo

    Threads:https://www.threads.net/@thechrisdo

    Zaap: https://zaap.bio/thechrisdo

    Clubhouse:https://www.clubhouse.com/@thechrisdo

    Behance: https://www.behance.net/chrisdo


    I Don't Work for Free Client Revisions — Here’s Why - With Chris Do | Ep 363 Jul 17, 2025
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    We want to hear from you. If you're open to a quick chat with our producer or any of the other options, it only takes a few seconds to sign up: https://forms.gle/Enzzpq5FCVQKbHV9A

    Scope creep isn't just a budget problem — it’s a boundary problem. And most creatives don’t realize they’re inviting it in.

    In this short, sharp episode, Chris Do breaks down the psychology of scope creep, why it happens, and how to protect your time, energy, and client relationships without feeling like the bad guy.

    You’ll learn how to anticipate change, communicate expectations early, and avoid the resentment spiral that can destroy great projects.

    Timestamps:

    (00:06) – Dealing with Scope Changes: Strategies and Tips

    (01:28) – Understanding Client Expectations in Premium Services

    (03:08) – Managing Client Expectations in Design Projects

    (05:11) – Navigating Change Requests

    (06:30) – Navigating Change and Communication

    Check out The Futur

    Check out Chris Do

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    I Don't Work for Free Client Revisions — Here’s Why - With Chris Do | Ep 363 Jul 17, 2025
    Show notes

    We want to hear from you. If you're open to a quick chat with our producer or any of the other options, it only takes a few seconds to sign up: https://forms.gle/Enzzpq5FCVQKbHV9A

    Scope creep isn't just a budget problem — it’s a boundary problem. And most creatives don’t realize they’re inviting it in.

    In this short, sharp episode, Chris Do breaks down the psychology of scope creep, why it happens, and how to protect your time, energy, and client relationships without feeling like the bad guy.

    You’ll learn how to anticipate change, communicate expectations early, and avoid the resentment spiral that can destroy great projects.

    Timestamps:

    (00:06) – Dealing with Scope Changes: Strategies and Tips

    (01:28) – Understanding Client Expectations in Premium Services

    (03:08) – Managing Client Expectations in Design Projects

    (05:11) – Navigating Change Requests

    (06:30) – Navigating Change and Communication

    Check out The Futur:

    Website: https://www.thefutur.com/

    Courses: https://www.thefutur.com/shop

    Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-futur/

    Podcasts: https://thefutur.com/podcast

    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thefuturishere/

    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/theFuturisHere/

    Twitter: https://x.com/thefuturishere

    TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thefuturishere

    Youtube:https://www.youtube.com/thefuturishere

    Check out Chris Do:

    Website: https://zaap.bio/thechrisdo

    LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/thechrisdo/

    Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/BizOfDesign

    Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/thechrisdo/

    Twitter:https://x.com/thechrisdo

    TikTok:https://www.tiktok.com/@thechrisdo

    Threads:https://www.threads.net/@thechrisdo

    Zaap: https://zaap.bio/thechrisdo

    Clubhouse:https://www.clubhouse.com/@thechrisdo

    Behance: https://www.behance.net/chrisdo


    Why Sound Changes How We Feel w/ Oscar Höglund, CEO - Epidemic Sound | Ep 362 Jul 10, 2025
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    We want to hear from you.If you’ve been enjoying the show, we’d love your input. It only takes a minute to answer our listener survey, and your feedback really helps us improve the podcast: https://forms.gle/6j5GLzwK6GQF7Hzx7

    In this episode, Chris sits down with Oscar Höglund—Co-Founder and CEO of Epidemic Sound—for an inside look at the mindset, strategy, and resilience it takes to build a billion-dollar business at the intersection of music, media, and tech.

    From cold-starting a music licensing company in Sweden to scaling a global brand used by YouTubers and filmmakers around the world, Oscar shares the real story behind Epidemic’s rise—including the decisions that nearly broke the business, the bets that paid off, and why creativity and data don’t have to be enemies.

    If you're a creator, founder, or anyone trying to do big things without burning out, this episode is packed with honest insights on scaling with soul, leading through uncertainty, and staying rooted in purpose while navigating growth.

    Timestamps:

    (00:04) – The Origins of Epidemic Sound

    (06:42) – Startup Struggles and the First Big Pivot

    (12:15) – Licensing, Creators, and the Market Gap

    (19:08) – Building Culture and Protecting Simplicity

    (25:36) – Creativity vs. Data: Finding the Right Balance

    (33:14) – Leadership Lessons in Hypergrowth

    (40:10) – Advice for Founders: Curiosity, Courage & Staying Human

    Check out today's guest, Oscar Höglund:

    Oscar's Website: https://corporate.epidemicsound.com/

    Oscar's LinkedIn: https://se.linkedin.com/in/oscarh%C3%B6glund

    Check out The Futur:

    Website: https://www.thefutur.com/

    Courses: https://www.thefutur.com/shop

    Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-futur/

    Podcasts: https://thefutur.com/podcast

    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thefuturishere/

    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/theFuturisHere/

    Twitter: https://x.com/thefuturishere

    TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thefuturishere

    Youtube:https://www.youtube.com/thefuturishere

    Check out Chris Do:

    Website: https://zaap.bio/thechrisdo

    LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/thechrisdo/

    Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/BizOfDesign

    Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/thechrisdo/

    Twitter:https://x.com/thechrisdo

    TikTok:https://www.tiktok.com/@thechrisdo

    Threads:https://www.threads.net/@thechrisdo

    Zaap: https://zaap.bio/thechrisdo

    Clubhouse:https://www.clubhouse.com/@thechrisdo

    Behance: https://www.behance.net/chrisdo

    Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices


    Is Entrepreneurship Still Worth It in 2025? w/ Jodie Cook | Ep 361 Jul 05, 2025
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    We want to hear from you.If you’ve been enjoying the show, we’d love your input. It only takes a minute to answer our listener survey, and your feedback really helps us improve the podcast: https://forms.gle/6j5GLzwK6GQF7Hzx7

    In this episode, I sit down again with Jodie Cook—entrepreneur, author, and strategist—for a raw, honest unpacking of privilege, entrepreneurship, and power in the AI age.

    From debating the “fairness” of the system to calling out the real enemy of progress, we dissect the narratives holding creators and founders back—and how to reclaim your agency when the rules feel rigged.

    Jodie shares how she navigates advantage without apology, the danger of playing small to fit in, and why waiting for fairness is a losing game.

    Timestamps:

    (00:02) – Naming the Real Enemy

    (06:01) – AI, Creativity, and the Fairness Dilemma

    (09:47) – Inequality, Entrepreneurship, and the Game We’re Playing

    (18:20) – What If We Governed Differently?

    (26:05) – Privilege, Responsibility, and the Power You Hold

    (28:14) – Untangling Privilege and Personal Agency

    (34:26) – The Merit Trap: When Recognition Feels Like Tokenism

    Check out today's guest, Jodie Cook:

    Jodie's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jodie-cook/

    Jodie's YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Jodie_Cook

    Check out The Futur:

    Website: https://www.thefutur.com/

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