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    THE CREATIVE SHIT SHOW

    In this podcast, we’re going to have honest conversations about the ups and downs of the design and marketing business, lessons we’ve learned, and share ideas and support that get us all through the day. Sometimes, we’ll just shoot the shit!

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    Latest Episodes:
    Ep 40: The Great Creative Devaluation: Did We Do This To Ourselves? Jul 10, 2025
    Show notes

    Let’s talk about the big, ugly question no one wants to ask:
    Are creatives part of the reason we’re being undervalued?

    This episode digs into the painful shift we’re seeing across the industry, layoffs, budget cuts, clients ghosting their design partners, and explores how we might’ve accidentally helped speed it along. From our obsession with aesthetics over outcomes to the slow creep of Canva and AI tools, it’s time to stop pointing fingers and start looking in the mirror.

    But don’t worry, we’re not here to wallow. We’re here to reclaim the value of what we do, and how we do it.

    You’ll hear:

    • Why leadership stopped believing in creative ROI

    • What Canva really represents

    • How to reposition creative work as a business driver

    • What we can do (starting now) to turn this around


    Ep 39: Special Guess: Justin Kramm Jun 16, 2025
    Show notes

    What happens when you name your agency “Shitshow Creative” and then build a brand that leans all the way in? You get Justin Kramm, a walking, talking, beautifully branded dumpster fire (his words, not ours).

    In this unfiltered conversation, we go deep on chaotic naming sessions, misfit energy, and what it really means to own your agency's weirdness. We play name games, swap origin stories, and debate who would win in a full-blown brand mashup brawl.

    Spoiler: His “Shiti-Festo” is real, brilliant, and probably not HR-approved.

    You’ll hear:
    – How Shitshow Creative got its name (and what Grandma thinks about it)
    – Why chaos is a legit brand strategy
    – What happens when your agency is also a cocktail
    – The boldest thing they’ve done that no other agency would dare


    Ep 38: Pricing Your Shit Apr 27, 2025
    Show notes

    Time to tackle everyone's favorite topic to avoid: pricing. You know, that thing keeping you up at 3 AM questioning all your life choices? Yeah, that one.

    In this BS-free episode, we're breaking down everything from billing hourly (probably screwing you over) to value-based pricing (scary but worth it). Learn how to graduate from project monkey to a strategic partner who commands premium rates.

    Time to get real about talking to clients about money. Your future self will thank you for listening to this one.


    Ep 37: Thriving or Surviving? Mar 30, 2025
    Show notes

    In this episode of The Creative Shit Show, we dive deep into surviving—and thriving—in today’s wild economic ride. From the feast-or-famine freelancing grind and pricing pressures to standing out with a killer portfolio, we’ve got you covered. We unpack how to niche down, turn past clients into a referral goldmine, and position your work to show real value. Plus, we tackle AI’s big shake-up—Midjourney, Canva, and beyond—and how designers can lean into strategy, intuition, and storytelling to stay ahead. Tune in for raw talk on networking, portfolio power moves, and the skills (hello, UI/UX and brand strategy) that’ll keep you in demand. Chaos? Sure. Opportunity? Hell yes. Listen now.


    Ep 36: Sh*t Happens Jul 19, 2024
    Show notes

    The Creative Shit Show crew reunites after months apart! Life threw us some curveballs this past year, prompting a break from recording, but our bond as friends is rock solid, supporting one another through thick and thin.

    We hit record on a recent Zoom chat to give you an unfiltered update on our adventures. No cuts, no edits - just raw and real conversations. Enjoy the show!


    Ep 35: Artificial Intelligence Jan 25, 2024
    Show notes

    Welcome to season 3 of the Creative Shit Show! In this episode, we dive into a topic that we've all talked about before, and we believe it's been on everyone's mind — and that's AI. Join us as we delve into the intriguing world of AI and creativity. We'll explore the capabilities and limitations of AI when it comes to generating unique and innovative ideas. We'll also touch on some of the ethical considerations surrounding AI in the creative realm. Sit back and take a listen!

    SHOW NOTES:

    0:00 • “Home again home again, Jiggity Jig!” - Von Glitschka

    0:11 • Intro

    00:35 • Justin shares his inner feelings and paints them.

    03:32 • Talking AI (Artificial Intelligence) • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_intelligence

    05:09 • Karens take on AI. Conclusion: Curious.

    05:29 • Vons take on AI. Conclusion: Unsettled.

    08:11 • Jamie's take on AI. Conclusion: Skeptical.

    09:06 • Justin takes on Ai. Conclusion: Be Aware of it.

    10:23 • Jamie talks about AI in the context of Grammarly and writing. • https://www.grammarly.com

    12:01 • Jamie talks AI for lovers of cooking and working out recipes.

    13:14 • Why Justin is super excited about AI. • https://superhuman.com

    16:25 • Karen uses AI for brainstorming, exploration, and reference.

    19:22 • Von likes using ChatGPT for word association, brand naming, and concept exploration.

    21:41 • Using AI for other parts of a creative business.

    28:09 • When it comes to AI: "Trust but verify!" - Von

    29:39 • AI mimicking styles.

    31:15 • Disclosing the use of AI to clients? • http://tinyurl.com/VonTalksAIinIllustrator

    37:17 • US Copyright Office • http://tinyurl.com/CopyrightAiInfo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HpLT7cdlr8

    38:16 • Hollywood studios using AI • https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1821641/

    40:24 • Using AI for web development. • https://www.framer.com/features/ai/

    45:12 • Beware of Fembots! • https://youtu.be/05bqIGdZOj0?si=DKaEYtpSmzSg-yla

    45:31 • Don't freak out over AI. Grow your value beyond creative work to become more strategic.

    50:24 • AI in the context of the movie 'Blade Runner.' • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpK6GcViC88

    51:29 • Outro


    Ep 34: Year-End Recap Dec 28, 2023
    Show notes

    It’s an episode of looking back to go forward. The Creative Shit Show co-hosts share their favorite moments and experiences from 2023, and what they’re looking most forward to in the 2024 New Year ahead. We’re so thankful for our amazing listeners, friends, family, and everyone who has supported us in our careers. You’re the bestest!

    Have a listen, and share your favorite memories from 2023, and what’s next for you in 2024.


    Ep 33: Special Guest: Andrew Gibbs Dec 21, 2023
    Show notes

    For this special episode, the gang is joined by Andrew Gibbs, Founder, CEO, and Editor-in-Chief of the Dieline which has been delighting passionate packaging designers since 2007. We dove deep into the world of packaging and package design, honing in on the importance of sustainability and where the next generation of package designers should focus their efforts. So, grab your favorite cocktail, sit back, and get ready for some serious inspiration. The Creative Shit Show is about to begin!

    Show Notes:

    00:00 • “Packaging for me is the combination of the love of graphic design, stuff, products, and brands.” - Andrew Gibbs

    00:08 • Intro

    00:40 • What’s up with Karen? • https://www.clearbrandstrategy.com/our-bios

    01:45 • Von’s Loth-Cat Design • https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Loth-cat

    02:44 • Our Devilish Handsome Guest “Andrew Gibbs” Founder CEO, and Editor-in-Chief of Dieline. • https://thedieline.com

    05:01 • Q: How did you get so passionate about packaging?

    07:08 • Justin’s Drink ‘Double Gin & Tonic’ • https://youtu.be/f--Axs_S1z8?si=e-fIRDxAFmpfbLqy

    07:22 • Q: What do you think younger designers today miss about the power and impact of packaging design?

    10:16 • National Geographic Cover.

    12:05 • Create What’s Next • https://plasticfree.com

    15:14 • Q: What are the technical obstacles of designing for packaging? • Packaging is physical, design to scale.

    17:34 • YOLO! You only launch once.

    18:34 • Q: Is the design community aware?

    20:56 • Earth Breeze • https://www.earthbreeze.com

    22:55 • Andrew smells fantastic! • https://tinyurl.com/AndrewScent

    23:20 • Q: Can you single out one of the most unique package designs? • https://tinyurl.com/BeeLoopsPackaging

    25:15 • Justin’s profound insight: “It never fails to amaze me how many solutions are found in nature.”

    27:20 • Q: Why are global brands slow to push out sustainable packaging?

    31:40 • Q: Can you share some insights on how designers can use sustainable packaging as a selling point?

    34:03 • Q: What are some places you’d recommend as resources for designers? • https://thedieline.com • https://plasticfree.com • https://guacamoleairplane.com

    37:23 • Print Magazine • https://www.printmag.com

    39:22 • Q: What’s next for Andrew and Dieline?

    43:04 • Andrew’s Shit Show Story

    44:38 • Outro


    Ep 32: For Love and Money Nov 29, 2023
    Show notes

    Can you monetize the thing that you love AND still love what you do? In this episode, the gang explores the possibilities of intersecting things you like to do, things you want to do, and things that could make you money.

    Jamie and Justin both made commitments to Von and Karen that you don't want to miss. Grab a cocktail, and have a listen.

    SHOW NOTES:

    00:00 • Can you monetize the thing that you love AND still love what you do?

    00:51 • HOW Design Live • https://howdesignlive.com

    00:52 • Ribbon Worms • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08xlX3JxDcY

    01:33 • Jamie shares a Venn diagram

    02:32 • “There are things I love doing, and things I’m good at, but they don’t make me money at all.” - Jamie

    03:45 • Jamie likes cooking.

    06:09 • Nana’s Lasagne Recipe:

    Ingredients:

    1/2 lb hamburger (I use ground sirloin), browned

    2 tsp oregano

    1/2 c. water

    1/2 lb cooked lasagne noodles (5 minutes boiling)

    1/2 lb mozarella, shredded

    16 oz low fat cottage cheese

    1/2 chopped sweet onion

    2 cans tomato soup

    2 tsp vinegar

    Directions:

    Brown beef and onion together in a pan. Add vinegar, oregano, water, and soup. Simmer 30 minutes. In 13x9 pan, layer noodles, sauce, cottage cheese, and mozzarella. (I do 3 layers). Bake at 350 for 1 hour.

    06:35 • You tell me what is in your fridge and I’ll tell you what you can make with it.

    Jamie recipe for Von:

    Appetizer: Hard boil 6 eggs. Cut each in 1/2 and hollow out yolk. Place in bowl and add mayo and yellow mustard to taste. Take 1 tbs of honey and add a few shots of hot sriracha to it. Melt down and drizzle on top of deviled eggs or drizzle across plate and place deviled eggs on top.

    Dinner: Finely chop up a few carrots, celery, garlic, and onions. Add 2 tbs olive oil or other natural cooking oil to a saute pan and saute the smoked sausages about 5 minutes, then add the veggies and saute until soft and sausages are browned on all sides. Add 2 cups of rice, some of that salsa verde to taste, 1 cup of beef broth, and simmer until liquid is mostly absorbed by the rice. Season with salt, pepper, garlic, paprika, and chili powder to taste. You should end up with a simple “jambalaya” type meal when completed.

    Dessert: Add buttermilk and a couple of eggs to bisquick (or make your own bisquick):

    6 cups all-purpose flour 3 tablespoons baking powder 1 tablespoon salt 1 cup vegetable shortening, cubed

    Warm up skillet or pan on stove and add small amount of oil heat on medium high until shimmering. Turn down to medium/medium low. Add dollops of batter to make small, silver dollar sized pancakes. Flip when batter gets pretty bubbly on top to lightly brown each side. Slather a little bit of strawberry jelly and top with whipped cream. Serve with a small portion of grapes on the side.

    07:47 • Justin likes photography.

    09:45 • Karen likes creating ProCreate artwork and animating it.

    11:20 • Von likes working on his koi pond, reading, and writing.

    14:14 • Justin wants to start painting and break dancing again.

    18:59 • Karens Yoda moment. “Just move the paint.” “Live with the experience of working with the paint.”

    20:20 • Actually doing what you love and making money at it.

    26:38 • Karens second Yoda moment.

    27:01 • Exercise the different parts of who we are.

    28:01 • New chapters in life and working for the man.

    32:21 • Walking 630 miles while listening to audio books.

    35:43 • Tinnitus • https://tinyurl.com/TinnitusSucks

    36:37 • Outro


    Ep 31: Special Guest: Ilise Benun Sep 21, 2023
    Show notes

    Get ready to meet the fabulous Ilise Benun, the founder of Marketing-Mentor.com! She's the go-to guru for creative professionals who want to level up their projects and budgets. Ilise is the real deal, with over 35 years of experience teaching basic business skills like mindset, money, and marketing to solopreneurs and creatives. We're thrilled to call her a friend, and every time we catch up, she drops some serious wisdom on us. Listen, learn, and leave us a comment on social about your favorite part!

    SHOW NOTES:

    00:00 • Irons in the Fire Idiom: https://tinyurl.com/ironsidiom

    00:45 • Intro: Ilise Benun • https://www.marketing-mentor.com

    02:20 • Q: Why do you think creatives don’t like to talk about pricing?

    03:49 • Q: Should we charge hourly or per project?

    06:27 • No more than 25% of your income should come from one source.

    07:50 • It’s not taboo, we’re in business.

    08:00 • Q: Is it common for an agency to be shy or fearful when talking about money?

    11:01 • Q: Do you charge more now than you use too?

    12:38 • Creative irony.

    15:12 • Never ask a client what their budget is.

    19:07 • Q: What about disclosing cost per project type?

    22:20 • Q: How do you manage a budget conversation that goes off the rails?

    26:53 • Q: What would be the first steps in clearly communicating with a client.

    31:30 • Q: What are some coachable moments you’d give to new creatives?

    33:40 • Q: Are there generational differences talking about money?

    40:29 • Overly communicating is NOT a problem.

    42:43 • Ilise Benun’s shit show moment.


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