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    The Body of Evidence

    Dr. Christopher Labos and guests use the body of evidence to go beyond science and medicine headlines and hype. All to help you develop your critical thinking skills so that when you google your symptoms, you won’t believe you’re going to die tomorrow.

    The Body of Evidence is your weekly dose of clarity on complex health topics and the often-sketchy medical information found online. Hosted by cardiologist Dr. Christopher Labos and featuring a rotating cast of co-hosts and guests, this podcast brings you engaging interviews, original reporting, and humour-filled commentaries to help you navigate the world of medicine. Episodes tackle everything from debunking misinformation to exploring the reality of certain conditions to the effectiveness of social media medical trends. With an extensive archive dating back to 2015,The Body of Evidence is your go-to source for understanding science and medicine and developing critical thinking about your health.

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    Book Review: Stephen Fry's The Hippopotamus Jul 15, 2017
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    "So is that why you came here, then? Just to pour cold water all over us? Just to sneer up your snotty sleeve? If you can't take it seriously, why try and ruin our happiness?"

    You might be forgiven for thinking that Stephen Fry's The Hippopotamus--a 1994 novel and now a theatrical release--is a British comedy of manners featuring a cantankerous, cynical drunk. But the novel itself, written in Fry's delightfully brilliant voice, is actually a skeptical whodunnit involving alternative medicine.

    The hippopotamus of the title refers to protagonist Ted Wallace, a poet and former drama critic, who is hired by his god-daughter to investigate miraculous happenings at the country mansion of Ted's rich friend. The god-daughter had leukaemia and visited the grand ole house in Norfolk... and she became cancer free, much to the puzzlement of her physicians. How was she healed?

    The writing is simply superb, as any fan of Stephen Fry's might imagine, with Ted Wallace as a crustier, more cynical alter ego who serves up the kind of witty repartee we have come to expect from the author himself.

    But it is the novel's late focus on skepticism and rationality which really made me proud. While the main character does exhibit the traits of a good skeptic in investigating the matter, I will not reveal whether or not the story itself takes place in the real world or in one in which magic exists, and so whether or not Ted's cynicism is proven right in the end. But goodness me (as Stephen Fry would say), how refreshing it is to see a story tackle head-on the desire of people to believe in reassuring nonsense, as well as the power of delusion and the spurring of its growth through confirmation bias. The Hippopotamus achieves all this, and still manages to incorporate dirty limericks and a gripping subplot involving anti-Semitism and what it means to be British.

    So, if Ted's god-daughter was miraculously cured of her cancer, how was she cured? The answer (and I had to put the book down twice in delightful disbelief) is both shocking and sad, and is wrapped in such enjoyable lines of dialogue that I will recommend Stephen Fry's The Hippopotamus to every skeptic out there and to anyone who wishes to read a jolly good romp of a book.

    (As a side note, I wasn't aware that Fry was also a novelist. He has also written about a compulsive liar who enjoys making up stories about espionage; an alternative history in which Hitler never existed; and a modern adaptation of The Count of Monte Cristo. Some things to look forward to in the near future....)


    030 - Vitamin D and Clinical Trials Jul 06, 2017
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    Bizarre behaviour on the beach leads Chris and Jonathan to discuss the merits of vitamin D. Where exactly in the sun’s rays does this vitamin hide? Is there a deficiency epidemic? And can this miraculous vitamin reverse the course of diseases? Also: a Superman geek fail; putting the “randomized” back in “randomized clinical trials”; why 1 and 2 are dirty numbers; and pot cures epilepsy (sort of… not really).

    Vox pop by Thanos Michailopoulos (@ThanocMic on Twitter).

    Jingle by Joseph Hackl.

    Additional music by Seth Donnelly and Kevin MacLeod.

    Theme music: "Troll of the Mountain Swing" by the Underscore Orkestra.

    To contribute to The Body of Evidence, go to our Patreon page at: http://www.patreon.com/thebodyofevidence/.


    029 - Antidepressants and Fluoride Jun 08, 2017
    Show notes

    Jonathan takes Chris to a secret location for a surprise that doesn’t end well, and all because Chris allegedly said antidepressants don’t work. To clarify, we delve into the causes of depression, how antidepressants work, as well as the safety and effectiveness of SSRIs. Oh, and child suicides. Also: is putting fluoride in the water a communist plot and will NSAIDs give you a heart attack?

    Special guest voice acting by Jacob Fortin.

    Jingle by Jillian Kate.

    Additional music by Seth Donnelly and Kevin MacLeod.

    Theme music: "Troll of the Mountain Swing" by the Underscore Orkestra.

    To contribute to The Body of Evidence, go to our Patreon page at: http://www.patreon.com/thebodyofevidence/.


    Interview - Timothy Caulfield May 25, 2017
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    Jonathan interviews Timothy Caulfield, author of the book Is Gwyneth Paltrow Wrong About Everything? Topics include Trudeau’s cupping marks; pseudoscience tailor made for athletes; the importance of anecdotes; Bill Nye and bridge destruction; the white hat bias in meditation research; the state of stem cell therapies; Tim Caulfield’s legal career path; celebrity culture; cognitive biases; J.K. Rowling’s experiment on luck; direct-to-consumer genetic testing for wine tasting; the science of science communication; the ironically postmodern far Right; troll talking points; upcoming media projects and happiness.


    Bill Nye Saves the World May 08, 2017
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    There is a particular flavour of disappointment that slowly builds up in some tongue-like brain region when someone we look up to in our own field fails publicly. It's one of those concepts that have a word in German but that seem to be missing in English, like Schadenfreude.

    I pinned hopes on Bill Nye because, as a nobody in the field of science communication, I want him to succeed. He has name recognition, he has an audience, he has a massive budget. While he may not be able to save the world, he has the potential to change minds on a scale I can only dream of for myself.

    I watched all 13 episodes of Bill Nye Saves the World, a show allegedly aimed at adults.

    I do not loathe the series, to be clear. Some of it works. There are lab demonstrations, such as the acidification of the oceans, that are clean, simple, and effective. Some of the panel discussions were quite interesting, though almost always cut short.

    And the best episode for me, by far, was the one on vaccination. It showed contemporary images of people affected by a vaccine-preventable disease, thereby eschewing the use of old black-and-white photographs which may not be affecting enough for people on the fence. The panel discussion included a mother who used to be antivaccination but who came around, thereby providing the audience with a relatable person who can understand the fears and anxieties of new parents. And the episode concluded with a visually striking rendering of herd immunity.

    But a science show, especially one that often explores loaded topics, needs two main components: a healthy amount of science and an understanding of human psychology. And the reason why I'm tasting this nameless tang of disappointment is that Bill Nye Saves the World comes up short on both.

    Science is a weapon against authoritarianism; so why does the show so often seem to rely on simply stating, "That's what the science says"? Instead of explaining how scientists reached a consensus, Nye regularly uses thinly veiled arguments from authority. Science says... so belief must follow. A particularly egregious example is the episode entitled "The Sexual Spectrum", which spends little-to-no time attempting to explain the science of sex and gender and simply makes a series of progressive declarations and goads the audience to get on with the program.

    Human psychology--specifically research done on denialism and risk perception--should be informing a show bold enough to address an emotionally charged topic like genetically engineered food. Regardless of one's opinion on Monsanto, it seems self-defeating to have a representative from that demonized company on a panel if one's goal is to convince a worried public that all is right with GMOs. The entire episode can be too easily dismissed by opponents as having been "bought by Monsanto".

    Likewise, when was the last time you changed your mind after having been called stupid? Yet the panel discussion on pseudoscience in the episode "Malarkey!" quickly descended into mockery on the part of Nye, targeting an astrologer on the panel who did not even claim his reading of the stars was scientific. Fellow panelist Tim Caulfield's attempt at building a bridge was cut short by Nye's derision, which I can safely assume only ended up reinforcing the stereotype of the skeptic as a close-minded prick in the minds of believers.

    The multiple attempts by the host at being "Cool Uncle Bill" as well as the uneven pacing of most episodes did nothing to alleviate my frustrations. Given the controversy surrounding GMOs, it is baffling to me that almost 5 minutes out of a 28-minute running time were devoted to extracting DNA from strawberries. And the show occasionally delved into bizarre identity politics, such as the cringe-worthy "Dear White People" monologue.

    Clearly, the show has not been embraced by everyone. I have seen my own concerns echoed elsewhere on the Internet, but I must also correct a disingenuous argument which has gained traction. Some of the harshest critics of the show have pointed out that Bill Nye is not a scientist; he has a Bachelor's degree in mechanical engineering, so how is he competent to tackle topics such as GMOs and climate change? Bill Nye, however, is not credited as a writer or even a producer on his own show, though he was part of the writers' room. In fact, the head science writer on Bill Nye Saves the World is Phil Plait, an astronomer, skeptic, and former author of the blog Bad Astronomy (he now blogs at Syfy Wire). If you're going to be critical of the science content of the show, pointing out that Bill Nye is an engineer is just a non sequitur.

    I have never worked on a television show, but I can imagine the challenges and complexities of reining in such a massive beast. With such a short running time and a modular design, however, the show is destined to be superficial. As we often say, it takes a gargantuan amount of time and energy to debunk a cognitively appealing lie. The structure of Bill Nye Saves the World is simply incapable of delving deeply into controversial issues like artificial intelligence and climate change.

    If a second season is in the cards, here are some changes that, in my opinion, would improve the show.

    Double the running time. A 30-minute show, especially one as modular as Bill Nye Saves the World, has a hard time digging below the surface. A 60-minute version of the series would allow for more satisfying panel discussions, longer chats with the correspondents, and a more efficient use of their travel budget (did they really send Derek Muller to South Korea for a 3-minute segment?)

    Drop the live audience. The talk show format just doesn't work.

    Don't be patronizing. As difficult as it is, convincing people on the fence requires empathy and understanding. The show's head science writer, Phil Plait, made the point eloquently in a talk entitled "Don't Be a Dick". Yet "being a dick" seemed to have been Bill Nye's motto throughout the show. If you're going to have pseudoscientists and believers in nonsense on your panel, merely using them for target practice not only does not help, it actually backfires. You end up giving scientists and skeptics a bad reputation. And merely stating that this is what the science says on an issue doesn't cut it. Show us the scientific method. Show us the evidence. Show us how the consensus was built. A dismissive tone when faced with concerns makes science look like scientism, which it isn't.

    Know your audience. I kept scratching my head trying to figure out if Bill Nye was addressing children or adults. If you want to make a show for adults, look at the Neil deGrasse Tyson-hosted Cosmos to see how it's done. If you want to make a show for kids, then the panel discussions have got to go. But choose.

    I still have that bitter aftertaste in my mouth, that nameless flavour of disappointment from watching Bill Nye Saves the World. Maybe the second season will improve. But it just goes to show that all the financial resources in the world can't create a great science show.

    It begins with the approach, and the production team behind Bill Nye needs to go back to the drawing board on that one.


    028 - Testosterone and Bad Food Science May 04, 2017
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    Jonathan is being more of a prick than usual by giving Chris a testosterone prick to boost his manliness. But is “low T” a real diagnosis or an ad man creation? Thanos, our comedian, takes us to his Brazilian jiu-jitsu class to interview sweaty men about aging and andropause. Back in the studio, Chris and Jonathan talk about the difficulties of measuring testosterone levels, whether or not T can reverse aging decline and will it give you cancer? Also: p-hacking in a famous food lab or how “hard work” doesn’t always pay off; Health Canada makes Chris sad; and why Montrealers are marching for science.

    Vox pop by Thanos Michailopoulos (@ThanocMic on Twitter).

    Jingle by Joseph Hackl.

    Additional music by Seth Donnelly and Kevin MacLeod.

    Theme music: "Troll of the Mountain Swing" by the Underscore Orkestra.

    To contribute to The Body of Evidence, go to our Patreon page at: http://www.patreon.com/thebodyofevidence/.

    If you’re interested in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and live in the Montreal area, check out Gracie Barra and its head instructor, Bruno Fernandes, at http://gbmontreal.ca


    027 - Aspartame and the Liberation Therapy Apr 12, 2017
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    On an eventful trip to Cincinnati, Chris and Jonathan discuss the possible dangers of aspartame and of arguing while behind the wheel. Will artificial sweeteners help you lose weight or will they give you cancer? Plus: Zamboni’s liberation therapy for multiple sclerosis fails to impress in a major Canadian trial and self-regulating naturopaths think it’s OK to prescribe with the laying of hands. Also, Jonathan and/or Chris may be coming to your town soon! Boston, Cincinnati and Montreal!

    Vox pop by Thanos Michailopoulos (@ThanocMicon Twitter).

    Jingle by Jillian Kate.

    Additional music by Seth Donnelly and Kevin MacLeod.

    Theme music: "Troll of the Mountain Swing"by the Underscore Orkestra.

    To contribute to The Body of Evidence, go to our Patreon page at: http://www.patreon.com/thebodyofevidence/.

    To check on our upcoming live events, go to http://www.bodyofevidence.ca/events/


    026 - Marijuana and Beach Umbrellas Mar 09, 2017
    Show notes

    Chris learns that he is a square when he can’t distinguish between tobacco cigarettes and pot reefers. Thanos interviews some marijuana-friendly comedians before an open-mic night to know if they think weed can help with health and performance anxiety. Back in studio, Jonathan and Chris talk about THC versus CBD, and whether or not weed has been shown to help treat glaucoma, pain, nausea, cancer, multiple sclerosis, insomnia, Tourette’s, HIV, anxiety, PTSD, epilepsy, Parkinson’s, IBS, ALS, and Huntington’s. Plus: a James Franco sound-alike; christopathic pain; beach umbrellas; conflicts of interest; and Patreon!

    Vox pop by Thanos Michailopoulos (@ThanocMic on Twitter).

    Jingle by Joseph Hackl from Voodoo Jazz.

    Additional music by Kevin MacLeod.

    Theme music: "Troll of the Mountain Swing"by the Underscore Orkestra.

    To contribute to The Body of Evidence, go to our Patreon page at: http://www.patreon.com/thebodyofevidence/.


    025 - Love Potions and Winter Blues Feb 19, 2017
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    Chris’ loneliness leads Jonathan to spray him in the eyes with a $20 concoction that will allegedly make him irresistible to the ladies. But do human pheromones actually exist? Their investigation leads them to contemplate pig husbandry and dentist chairs. Plus: what we know of seasonal affective disorder and whether you can cure it by shoving light into your ears; cancer mortality rates are decreasing despite what charlatans keep claiming; and a teething tablet manufacturer clearly believes in safety first.

    Vox pop by comedian Kirsten Finch.

    Jingle by Jillian Kate.

    Additional music by Kevin MacLeod.

    Theme music: “Troll of the Mountain Swing” by the Underscore Orkestra.

    The Human Charger official website is https://www.humancharger.com

    The MOT investigative journalism video (in Finnish, with English subtitles) is available on YouTube at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXuNK4050m0

    The EarLight clinical trial where the placebo group became a treatment group can be seen here: https://clinicaltrials.gov/archive/NCT01293409/2011_05_31/changes

    For a more comprehensive history behind the EarLight/HumanCharger, http://earlightswindle.com


    Interview - John Dupuis and the Wars on Science Jan 31, 2017
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    Jonathan interviews York University librarian John Dupuis on former Prime Minister Stephen Harper's War on Science. In light of recent actions by the Trump administration in the US, what lessons can American scientists learn from Canada's own struggle against a federal government that gagged its own scientists?

    John Dupuis' blog, Confessions of a Science Librarian, on which he chronicled Harper's War on Science, can be accessed here: http://scienceblogs.com/confessions/


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