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    The Body of Evidence

    Dr. Christopher Labos and guests use the body of evidence to go beyond science and medicine headlines and hype. All to help you develop your critical thinking skills so that when you google your symptoms, you won’t believe you’re going to die tomorrow.

    The Body of Evidence is your weekly dose of clarity on complex health topics and the often-sketchy medical information found online. Hosted by cardiologist Dr. Christopher Labos and featuring a rotating cast of co-hosts and guests, this podcast brings you engaging interviews, original reporting, and humour-filled commentaries to help you navigate the world of medicine. Episodes tackle everything from debunking misinformation to exploring the reality of certain conditions to the effectiveness of social media medical trends. With an extensive archive dating back to 2015,The Body of Evidence is your go-to source for understanding science and medicine and developing critical thinking about your health.

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    Copyright: © Copyright 2015 Christopher Labos & Jonathan Jarry . All rights reserved.

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    Latest Episodes:
    The State of Skepticism Jul 24, 2018
    Show notes

    Jonathan was recently part of a panel discussion on the state of skepticism: what the movement does poorly and how to move forward. The recording was hosted by Grant Ritchey and Clay Jones of the Prism Podcast (and also of Science-Based Medicine), and featured Lydia Finch and Michael Marshall.

    You can find the episode by looking up the Prism Podcast on your favourite podcatcher or by clicking on this link.

    If you stay until the end of the hour you will hear Chris clapping.


    Special - Science Is a Human Enterprise, Part 2: You Killed These Poor Bunnies Jul 05, 2018
    Show notes

    Part 2 of 2. Chris and Jonathan sit down to demystify how scientific research is conducted and what actually goes on in a lab. They talk about the following: data analysis; statistical literacy among scientists; cherry picking; biostatisticians’ greatest complaint; “students should figure it out!”; meta-analyses; hypothesis testing; publishing; structure of a paper; the secret appendices; peer review; open data; registered reports; types of journals; opening a Dairy Queen; and things are improving. Seriously, science is awesome… but its practice could be improved.

    Theme music: "Troll of the Mountain Swing" by the Underscore Orkestra.

    To contribute to The Body of Evidence, go to our Patreon page at: http://www.patreon.com/thebodyofevidence/.


    Special - Science Is a Human Enterprise, Part 1: We're Not Trained for This Jun 07, 2018
    Show notes

    Chris and Jonathan sit down to demystify how scientific research is conducted and what actually goes on in a lab. They talk about the following: defining terms; Ang Lee’s Hulk; laboratory hierarchy; graduate studies; postdocs; salaries; job opportunities; what scientists do with the 61 hours a week they work on average; funding; managerial skills; hiring practices; harassement; rewarding results instead of the process; subpar research; and negative findings. Also, Simpsons references galore.

    Theme music: "Troll of the Mountain Swing" by the Underscore Orkestra.

    To contribute to The Body of Evidence, go to our Patreon page at: http://www.patreon.com/thebodyofevidence/.


    Interview - Science Moms May 03, 2018
    Show notes

    Jonathan and Chris interview three of the Science Moms: Alison Bernstein, Kavin Senapathy, and Natalie Newell. They discuss a bevy of important topics, such as the Dirty Dozen shopping list; the social justice aspect of GE and anti-GE activism; Monsanto; conflicts of interest in research; epigenetic; and, of course, Natalie’s film, Science Moms; also, Chris’ Spider-Man Theory of What Scares People.

    The Science Moms documentary can be accessed at ScienceMomsDoc.com, while the moms themselves continue their adventure, bringing good science to the public, at SciMoms.com. You can follow Natalie Newell at @NCNewell; Kavin Senapathy at @KSenapathy; and Alison Bernstein at @MommyPhD2.

    Theme music: "Troll of the Mountain Swing" by the Underscore Orkestra.

    To contribute to The Body of Evidence, go to our Patreon page at: http://www.patreon.com/thebodyofevidence/.


    039 - Keto Diet and Vaginal Dryness Apr 08, 2018
    Show notes

    A shameless Chris removes his belt at an all-you-can-eat buffet, which leads Jonathan to talk about the keto diet. How does it compare to other diets and will it do anything to your diabetes, cancer, or epilepsy? Learn about the mysterious food stuff known was “tufo”; hear someone say “carby” a lot; and watch in horror as Jonathan drinks a whole bottle of nail polish remover. Also: how does hormone replacement therapy compare to vaginal moisturizers for vaginal dryness; Chris talks about how much he loves the phrase “clot busters” and what to watch out for if you think you’re having a stroke; and Jonathan and Chris have a very important announcement. They placed it at the end of the show so that you have to listen to the whole episode to get to it.

    The JAMA Internal Medicine paper on the estrogen tablet vs. vaginal moisturizer trial: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/article-abstract/2674257?redirect=true

    Vox pop by Ada McVean of the McGill Office for Science and Society.

    Jingle by Jillian Kate.

    Additional music by Seth Donnelly and Kevin MacLeod.

    Theme music: "Troll of the Mountain Swing" by the Underscore Orkestra.

    To contribute to The Body of Evidence, go to our Patreon page at: http://www.patreon.com/thebodyofevidence/.


    Interview - Ryan Armstrong on Chiropractic Mar 18, 2018
    Show notes

    Jonathan interviews public health and consumer advocate Ryan Armstrong, in whom the College of Chiropractors of Ontario is now taking a special interest. They discuss the internal split between “straights” and “mixers”; the Canadian origin of the chiropractic discipline; the College’s monitoring of Ryan’s public criticism; the divine claims of some practitioners; the safety of fast thrusts; the chiropractor-antivaxx link; and more. Ryan weighs in on two important questions: can chiropractors self-regulate and can the profession be moved to a more science- and evidence-based position?

    Ryan’s blog is PostTruthHealth and you can find him on Twitter at @RyArmst

    Music by Seth Donnelly.

    Theme music: "Troll of the Mountain Swing" by the Underscore Orkestra.

    To contribute to The Body of Evidence, go to our Patreon page at: http://www.patreon.com/thebodyofevidence/.


    038 - Coffee and Medical Errors Mar 08, 2018
    Show notes

    The podcast’s third-year anniversary celebration turns out to be the perfect time to discuss coffee. Does it prevent disease… or cause disease? Why are pregnant women told to avoid excessive caffeine consumption if it’s a wonder drug? And, if it’s a drug, is it addictive? We discuss its purported links to miscarriages, birth defects, fertility, cardiac risk, blood pressure, cancer, migraine, and Parkinson’s disease. Plus: why complications are not the same as medical error, and the really bad study that led to the pronouncement that cell phone exposure was associated with increased risk of miscarriages.

    The BMJ article on medical errors being the third leading cause of death: http://www.bmj.com/content/353/bmj.i2139

    The Vox.com article on cell phones and miscarriages: https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2018/2/15/17008482/cellphones-cancer-miscarriage-health

    Details on the Science Moms screening taking place on March 26: https://mcgill.ca/oss/channels/event/science-moms-film-screening-and-panel-discussion-284437

    Jingle by Joseph Hackl of Voodoo Jazz.

    Additional music by Seth Donnelly and Kevin MacLeod.

    Theme music: "Troll of the Mountain Swing" by the Underscore Orkestra.

    To contribute to The Body of Evidence, go to our Patreon page at: http://www.patreon.com/thebodyofevidence/.


    037 - Birth Control and Instant Chemistry Feb 08, 2018
    Show notes

    Chris’ goodwill to help out a young couple on Valentine’s Day backfires, which leads him and Jonathan to talk about contraception. What is the most effective form of birth control, and how come there’s no pill… for men? One thing’s for certain: McGill students are going to have a lot of unplanned babies if the vox pop is any indication! Also: can science really tell you how compatible you and your lover are?; Britt Marie Hermes, ex-naturopath and prominent skeptic, needs your help; and we tear into the pilot episode of FOX’s new medical drama, The Resident. You’ll learn about central lines, the diver’s reflex, and how to precipitate catastrophic blindness.

    To donate to Britt Hermes’ legal defence fund: https://www.skeptics.com.au/features/britt-hermes-legal-costs-fundraising-campaign/

    Vox pop by Ada McVean of the McGill Office for Science and Society.

    Jingle by Jillian Kate.

    Additional music by Seth Donnelly and Kevin MacLeod.

    Theme music: "Troll of the Mountain Swing" by the Underscore Orkestra.

    To contribute to The Body of Evidence, go to our Patreon page at: http://www.patreon.com/thebodyofevidence/.


    036 - Diets and Californian Cell Phones Jan 04, 2018
    Show notes

    Dr. Yoni Freedhoff guest stars to discuss our changing food environment. He talks dieting, The Biggest Loser, food frequency questionnaires, and the Cornell Food Lab fiasco. He also valiantly defends his children against the Don Drapers of the world. Also on the show: California issues guidelines for people worried about cell phones and how these guidelines were released is a really wacky story involving “FREEEEDOM!”; electricity to fight cancer; and Chris’ The More You Know wholesome message regarding driving.

    Yoni Freedhoff’s blog: http://www.weightymatters.ca

    California’s guidelines for cell phone use:https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/OPA/Pages/NR17-086.aspx

    The trial on tumor-treating fields: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29260225

    Vox pop by Wassim El-Mounzer.

    Jingle by Joseph Hackl.

    Additional music by Seth Donnelly and Kevin MacLeod.

    Theme music: "Troll of the Mountain Swing" by the Underscore Orkestra.

    To contribute to The Body of Evidence, go to our Patreon page at: http://www.patreon.com/thebodyofevidence/.


    Bill Nye's Pot Episode Is an Irresponsible Mess Jan 01, 2018
    Show notes

    With great science comes great responsibility, a proposition that Bill Nye and his writing team continue to ignore in the season 2 premiere of Bill Nye Saves the World which focuses on marijuana.

    The word (and sometimes the substance) cannabis is seemingly on everyone's tongue these days, which makes accurate reporting about it imperative. Within a few minutes of the episode starting, the following came out of Bill Nye's mouth: "[CBD, one of the two main chemicals in cannabis] may also be useful for boosting cancer treatments." And the segment in which correspondent Derek Muller flies to the Middle East to report on cannabis research is titled "How is Israel healing the world with marijuana."

    Given my love of rationality, I rarely talk to my television set, understanding full well that it lacks in awareness. But I did shout a string of swear words at it while watching Bill Nye. Because, as someone who has talked about medicinal marijuana with Chris on our podcast and on the airwaves, I find it hard not to qualify Nye's approach as irresponsible.

    I expect nature fetishists and conspiracy theorists to publicly embrace cannabis as a cure-all, but I require more from a science show. The tone of the episode could be summarized as follows: cannabis is a wonderful plant full of chemicals that can treat all sorts of diseases, but we're not allowed to study it because of Nixon. The show lacked nuance; it lacked a description of which medical conditions do benefit from cannabis use and which don't according to the best available scientific evidence; it basically lacked an adult outlook on a very complicated topic. Bill Nye seems more interested in letting his childish sense of wonder coat the glasses through which he looks at complex topics involving flawed science, emotional appeals, ethical arguments, and legislative hurdles.

    I was not a fan of the show's first season and I voiced my thoughts back then. I suggested a number of improvements the show could make in its second season to move away from its cringy, disappointing and often patronizing nature. Of those, only one has been tweaked: the show is slightly longer. It allows for the panel discussion to take its time, which would be an improvement if the constitution of said panel were conducive to a great conversation. However, the show once again missteps by dropping serious scholars and legislators in with a celebrity (actor-director and pothead hero Kevin Smith), which results in a haphazard discussion that never progresses.

    The additional time is also wasted with an Ultimate Frisbee skit pitting sober college students against drugged up (or pretending to be) comedians. Its predictability robs it of any comedic value, and it adds nothing scientifically. Yet another segment focuses on IT security, a topic to be covered in the next episode and which teaches us nothing. It features a scientist Bill Nye met on Twitter as he attempts to rehabilitate the #BillMeetScienceTwitter campaign which, last summer, wanted to bring attention to the fact that Nye's show features very few actual scientists and instead relies on the science educator as its sole scientific spotlight.

    Indeed, Bill Nye Saves the World does a poor job of highlighting the importance of seeking credible experts to digest the science and ensure accuracy. Derek Muller, known for his highly popular YouTube channel Veritasium, returns as a correspondent for this episode and, while I admire his usual work and that important mixture of affability and clarity he displays, I have to question his choice. Why would you send a guy with a Bachelor's degree in engineering and a Ph.D. spent testing the efficacy of various kinds of physics videos to a pharmacological laboratory? He is neither a biologist, nor a pharmacist or medical doctor. Indeed, he spends the entire segment in awe of the Israeli's cannabis cultivation and we get a promotional video for the Tikun Olam company. I don't blame Muller for not asking pertinent biomedical questions; I blame the show for sending the wrong guy.

    I couldn't help but compare this episode with a similar one done by Olivier Bernard on the French side for his show Les aventures du Pharmachien. It managed, in a little over half the running time of Nye's show, to be both educational and entertaining, funny and skeptical. And it looked at the body of evidence on the topic of medicinal marijuana, something Nye's show never bothered to report on.

    I still don't know who Bill Nye's audience is anymore. His show is like a laptop covered in pro-science stickers, stuck playing America's Funniest Home Videos on a loop: superficially about science but ultimately hollow. Nye and his writers seem uninterested in explaining the scientific method and in summarizing the state of our knowledge. Instead, they bask in awkward gags, uneven discussions, and a philosophy that borders on scientism.

    Nye's schtick is getting old and his portrayal of science may ultimately do more harm than good.


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