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    That UFO Podcast

    Bringing you up to date news, interviews and guests from around the world of UFOs, UAP & connected phenomena
    Hosted by Andy McGrillen

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    Preparing for Disclosure: Are We Ready for the Human Impact? Jun 24, 2026
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    Andy is joined by John Priestland and Dr Martin Abbass from Unhidden, a UK-based, medically led organisation looking at one of the most overlooked parts of the UAP conversation: the people.

    Their new report, *Preparing for Disclosure*, asks what might happen if society is confronted with information that fundamentally changes our understanding of reality, and whether governments, health systems, doctors, therapists and communities are remotely prepared for the psychological and social impact.

    This conversation explores stigma, experiencers, mental health, ontological shock, public health preparedness, the role of clinicians, and why disclosure — if it ever comes — may not only be a political or scientific issue, but a human one.

    A different kind of conversation, but an important one.

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    Avi Loeb on the New U.S. UAP Advisory Board | Disclosure, Data & What's Next Jun 22, 2026
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    Professor Avi Loeb returns to That UFO Podcast following his appointment to lead the Science Advisory Council supporting the new U.S. government UAP governance structure.

    In this conversation, Avi explains how the council came together, who is involved, how it will interact with government agencies, and whether meaningful progress can be made using only unclassified information.

    We discuss the latest UAP file releases, the role of skepticism within the council, why Michael Shermer was included, whistleblower protections, transparency, and whether the public can expect regular updates from the group's work.

    We also explore Avi's views on crash retrieval claims, biologics, the possibility of non-human technology, and the debate surrounding Dr. Beatriz Villarroel's pre-Sputnik transient research.

    Topics include:

    • The new U.S. UAP governance structure
    • Avi's role leading the Science Advisory Council
    • Access to classified vs unclassified data
    • Recent UAP document releases
    • Crash retrieval and biologics claims
    • Whistleblower protections
    • Michael Shermer's inclusion on the council
    • Beatriz Villarroel's transient research
    • The search for conclusive evidence

    Got thoughts on the new council or a question for a future Avi Loeb appearance? Let me know in the comments.

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    Richard Dolan: Is The Phenomenon Dark? | USOs, Alien Behaviour & Humanity's Future Jun 18, 2026
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    In Part 2 of my extended conversation with Richard Dolan, we move beyond disclosure politics and into some of the deepest questions surrounding the UFO phenomenon.

    We discuss whether some aspects of the phenomenon may be darker than many researchers are willing to admit, why Richard believes humanity may be facing challenges of its own making, and what decades of UFO and USO reports suggest about the behaviour of the intelligence behind these encounters.

    Drawing on research from his new book, A History of USOs Volume 2, Richard explains how studying patterns across thousands of cases has changed his understanding of the phenomenon and what it may reveal about the long-term presence of these objects around our planet.

    We also discuss:

    • Whether the phenomenon has our best interests at heart
    • The listener question asking if Richard is "holding something back"
    • Alien behaviour and adaptation
    • Humanity's future and technological dependence
    • Why Richard fears human actions more than non-human intelligence
    • Historical and modern USO cases
    • Underwater UFO encounters
    • Behavioural patterns across decades of sightings
    • The USS Franklin D. Roosevelt case
    • How Richard researched and analysed thousands of reports
    • What the data may reveal about the phenomenon's intentions

    This is Part 2 of a special extended conversation with Richard Dolan.

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    Richard Dolan: They're Watching Us | Disclosure, UFO Files & The Hidden Battle Inside Government Jun 17, 2026
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    Richard Dolan returns to That UFO Podcast for a deep dive into the biggest developments in the UFO/UAP conversation right now.

    In Part 1, we focus on the latest UFO file releases, the ongoing push for transparency, David Grusch's recent comments, and whether what we're witnessing is actually disclosure—or something very different.

    Richard shares his thoughts on the apparent battle between transparency and secrecy factions, why he believes many people have become caught up in "disclosure mania," and what historical government records reveal about recurring UFO waves and patterns stretching back decades.

    We also discuss:

    • The latest war.gov/UFO file releases
    • David Grusch and whistleblower protections
    • Whether disclosure is really happening
    • Historical UFO cycles and patterns
    • The 1948 documents and recurring waves
    • The difference between disclosure and contact
    • Alien behaviour and what the phenomenon appears to be doing
    • AI and its impact on humanity's future
    • Why Richard rejects predictions of imminent disclosure events
    • Chris Bledsoe, Lue Elizondo and "something is coming" narratives
    • The current state of the UFO conversation in 2026

    This is Part 1 of a special extended conversation with Richard Dolan.

    Part 2 will focus on USOs, underwater mysteries, the darker aspects of the phenomenon, humanity's future, and Richard's latest research.

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    The Whistleblower Problem: Dylan Borland Joins Doomer Friday Jun 15, 2026
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    Andy joins the Doomer Friday crew for a wide-ranging collaboration with UAP Gerb, Rob Jones and others, breaking down the latest David Grusch Capitol Hill press conference, the push to waive NDAs for UAP whistleblowers, and why protections, amnesty and accountability may be key to moving disclosure forward.

    The conversation also covers Representative Burlison’s approach, legacy crash retrieval claims, private contractors, AARO, whistleblower retaliation, and a surprise drop-in from Dylan Borland, who speaks directly about protecting witnesses and holding agencies, government and private industry accountable.

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    BREAKING NEWS: Release 3.0: War.gov/UFO Drops Again - And It’s Disappointing Jun 12, 2026
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    Breaking news: War.gov/UFO has released its third batch of UAP files, videos and NASA audio but does Release 3.0 actually move the conversation forward?

    Andy breaks down the new drop, including six newly released videos, several NASA audio files, and a batch of FBI, CIA, Department of War and AARO-linked documents. The headline themes this time are orbs, “plasma” sphere reports, digital recreations, and a notable Cheyenne Mountain/Fort Carson case involving a strange white, oval object witnessed by a former Army intelligence officer and others.

    But after the expectations set by Capitol Hill, David Grusch, the UAP Caucus and recent whistleblower momentum, this release raises a bigger question: is this transparency, or managed disappointment?

    A rapid reaction to Release 3.0, what stands out, what doesn’t, and why this may tell us where the official UFO file drops are really heading.

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    Jeremy Corbell: The UAP Evidence Being Held Back Jun 12, 2026
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    Andy is joined by investigative filmmaker and journalist Jeremy Corbell for a wide-ranging conversation on the latest UAP developments, government video releases, whistleblowers, Congress, David Grusch, Sleeping Dog, and what may still be hidden from the public.

    Jeremy discusses the recent UAP video drops, why he says the footage released so far is only a fraction of what exists, how he and George Knapp have helped point Congress toward specific files, and why he believes the public has still not seen the strongest evidence.

    They also get into the whistleblower process, the pressure faced by those coming forward, Matthew Brown, Dylan Borland, Vanguard, Capitol Hill, media coverage, and why Corbell believes public pressure remains vital to moving this issue forward.

    A serious and at times intense conversation about UAP transparency, accountability, and the fight to get

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    Grusch on Capitol Hill: Biologics, Plasmoids & the Next Disclosure Push Jun 11, 2026
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    Andy gives his immediate post-press conference thoughts following David Grusch, members of Congress, Leslie Kean and others speaking on the steps of Capitol Hill.

    This episode covers the key moments from the event, including calls for whistleblower protections, pressure on President Trump to waive NDAs, renewed talk of non-human biologics, and Grusch’s striking comments about a spectrum of life ranging from corporeal bipedal beings to “sentient plasmoid life.” Andy also looks at the mixed reaction to the event, the role of mainstream media, what this could mean for future disclosure efforts, and where things may go next.

    Plus, Andy shares thoughts on upcoming interviews with Jeremy Corbell and Richard Dolan, the wider media landscape, and why this moment may be more important than it first appeared.

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    Grusch Hour 2: Live Reaction to Disclosure on Capitol Hill Jun 11, 2026
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    Andy joins the Doomer Friday crew for a live watchalong and reaction to David Grusch’s highly anticipated Capitol Hill press conference.

    The panel follows the event in real time as James Fox, Anna Paulina Luna, Eric Burlison, Tim Burchett, Jared Moskowitz, Leslie Kean and David Grusch call for disclosure, whistleblower protections, NDA waivers and greater transparency around UAP records.

    The discussion covers Grusch’s strongest new comments, including claims around crash retrieval material, non-human biologics, foreign intelligence on UAP programs, “sentient plasmoid life,” and the pressure now being placed on President Trump and the White House to act.

    A raw, lively and immediate reaction to what may prove to be another major step in the modern disclosure push.

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    Disclosure Day Spoiler Review: The Ending, The Alien Reveal & My Honest Reaction Jun 10, 2026
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    This is the full spoiler review of Steven Spielberg’s Disclosure Day.

    After seeing the movie at the BFI IMAX in London, I break down the story, the big reveals, the private contractor cover-up, the experiencer angle, the leaked UFO files, the ending, and the controversial alien reveal.

    I also answer listener questions and talk through what worked, what surprised me, what I think may divide audiences, and where Disclosure Day now sits among my favourite UFO movies.

    Warning: this episode contains major spoilers for Disclosure Day from the start.
    If you have not seen the film and want to go in fresh, listen to the non-spoiler review first.

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