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    Talking Real Money – Investing Talk

    Financial talk radio veteran, Don McDonald and former host of Serious Money on PBS, Tom Cock, join forces to talk about real money issues. In each episode, they solve real money problems, dole out real investing (not speculating) advice, and really explain the financial issues that effect all of us. Plus, it’s actually fun! Talking Real Money is a podcast designed to provide the real help we all need to enjoy a really great future. Call in with your questions anytime at 855-935-TALK (8255).

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    Ep. 1826: Nice, Warm Questions Feb 06, 2026
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    In this Friday Q&A episode of Talking Real Money, Don tackles five thoughtful listener questions ranging from confusing 401(k) collective investment trusts and investment club withdrawals to Roth conversion strategies, inflation fears in bond portfolios, and inherited IRA planning. Along the way, he emphasizes transparency over opacity, flexibility over prediction, and discipline over emotion. Don pushes back against fear-driven investing decisions, cautions against large tax moves based on uncertain futures, explains when TIPS do (and don’t) make sense, and praises a listener’s smart inherited IRA-to-Roth strategy.
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    0:04 Podcast vs. radio intro, Friday Q&A format, and improved caller audio quality
    1:00 How listeners submit questions through TalkingRealMoney.com
    1:44 33-year-old with $330K in a 401(k) and confusing collective investment trusts
    4:26 Why “intermediate cycle” funds are market timing in disguise
    6:47 Investment club withdrawals and in-kind transfers after Schwab/TD merger
    9:23 Why there’s no universal rule for investment club distributions
    9:58 Complex Roth conversion plan and IRMAA concerns
    14:31 Why large Roth conversions rely too heavily on tax predictions
    16:59 The case for slow, flexible, incremental conversions
    17:28 National debt fears and switching from BND to TIPS
    20:47 When TIPS actually help and why panic reallocations fail
    21:46 Emotional control as the core investing skill
    22:10 Inherited IRA strategy to fund Roth contributions
    24:15 Why spreading withdrawals over 10 years makes sense
    25:09 Listener growth, competition with Stacking Benjamins, and call to action
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    Ep. 1825: Don't Stop Saving Feb 05, 2026
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    Don and Tom take on Elon Musk’s claim that AI will make retirement saving obsolete, pushing back hard on the idea that technology or billionaires will somehow fund everyone’s future. They examine why universal basic income is politically and mathematically unrealistic, remind listeners that past tech revolutions didn’t magically create widespread wealth, and reinforce the importance of steady, diversified investing. The episode also tackles listener questions on HSAs, 529 rollovers, taxable account strategy, and tax efficiency, while weaving in commentary on work, purpose, behavior, and—once again—the ongoing menace of gas-powered leaf blowers.
    0:04 Fear of AI and its supposed impact on money and jobs
    1:52 Elon Musk’s claim that retirement saving will become irrelevant
    2:59 Why billionaires don’t like sharing wealth
    4:29 Historical tax rates and wealth distribution
    6:21 Business Insider survey: 94% still plan to save
    8:45 Why tech revolutions don’t eliminate financial risk
    9:59 Work, purpose, and retirement psychology
    10:33 Universal basic income math and tax reality
    11:54 Luddites and historical job displacement
    12:55 Listener questions segment begins
    13:18 HSA invested in Fidelity target-date fund
    17:38 Overfunded 529 plans and Roth rollover rules
    20:45 Taxable account strategy and balanced funds
    23:28 Asset location and tax efficiency
    24:49 Finding fund returns on Morningstar
    25:46 Tom’s Scottsdale meetings
    26:45 War on gas-powered leaf blowers
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    Ep. 1824: Investments Can Grow Feb 04, 2026
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    Tom and Don break down why gold, silver, and individual stocks remain speculative distractions rather than reliable investments, using recent volatility in precious metals and Microsoft as cautionary examples. They explain how globally diversified portfolios helped investors stay steady while fear-driven assets whipsawed. The show tackles retirement allocation risks, high-cost target date funds, and how much risk retirees may actually need to take. Listener questions cover 401(a) rollovers, withdrawal strategies, rebalancing after a decade, tax treatment of tips, collective investment trusts, teacher retirement plans, and high-yield savings accounts—reinforcing the case for low costs, broad diversification, and disciplined investing.
    0:04 Why gold and silver are speculation, not investments
    1:19 Precious metals crash and volatility reality check
    3:11 Microsoft drop and risks of single-stock investing
    4:40 Fear, home bias, and global diversification
    7:12 Birthday story and listener banter
    8:31 Elaine’s 401(a) and risky target-date fund allocation
    11:24 High expense ratios vs. low-cost index options
    12:47 Retirement income needs and withdrawal risk
    14:04 Monte Carlo results for 60/40 portfolios
    15:56 Tips income, taxes, and rebalancing questions
    18:03 Standard deduction and real tax impact
    23:39 Capital Group CIT vs. Vanguard index funds
    25:21 Downsides of collective investment trusts
    28:08 403(b)WISE and school district plan ratings
    29:55 Teacher retirement plan advocacy
    32:32 High-yield savings account recommendations
    34:18 Rebalancing after 10 years
    35:17 Asset location and tax efficiency
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    Ep. 1823: Hot to Not Feb 03, 2026
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    In this episode of Talking Real Money, Don and Tom dig into the Washington State pension system’s heavy exposure to private equity, sparked by Jason Zweig’s Wall Street Journal reporting and a Seattle Times investigation. They explain why high fees, opaque valuations, and lack of liquidity make private equity especially dangerous for public retirement funds—and why Washington leads the nation in risk. The conversation expands to compare pension strategies across states, question governance and oversight, and warn retirees about the real-world consequences of excessive risk. Later, the hosts respond to a listener trapped in a high-fee, actively managed portfolio and variable annuity, illustrating how costs and complexity quietly erode wealth. The show wraps with practical retirement guidance inspired by Warren Buffett—simplify and protect—plus a discussion of converting mutual funds to ETFs for greater efficiency.
    0:04 Show open, call-in invitation, and setup on private equity
    0:32 Jason Zweig’s WSJ reporting on private equity fees and markups
    1:25 Washington State pension’s heavy private equity exposure
    3:23 Valuation and liquidity problems in private equity
    4:35 Breakdown of WA pension assets (private equity + real estate)
    5:18 Risks of market downturns and illiquidity
    6:25 Who’s overseeing the pension fund and their qualifications
    7:06 Concerns for Washington retirees and contributors
    8:28 Board “experts” and potential conflicts of interest
    9:55 Difficulty exiting private equity investments
    11:06 Questioning reported 12.3% returns vs public markets
    11:59 Call for political accountability and reform
    12:50 Comparison to states using mostly public index funds
    13:35 Why private equity suffers most in downturns
    14:22 Comparison of pension private equity exposure by state
    15:58 Rebalancing and “emperor’s clothes” concern
    17:07 Caller Luke reacts to pension risks
    18:11 Promotion of RetireMeet and retirement education
    19:22 Warren Buffett’s retirement advice: simplify and protect
    20:28 Risk reduction and advisor role in retirement
    21:26 Fiduciary standards and conflicts of interest
    22:55 Emphasis on simple, protective portfolios
    23:07 Caller Jane asks about high advisory fees
    24:40 Discussion of “active management” risks
    26:12 Review of proposed funds and red flags
    29:57 Analysis of high-fee, high-turnover portfolio
    30:57 Concentration and volatility concerns
    32:16 Variable annuity warning signs
    33:37 Commission conflicts and surrender charges
    33:57 Recommendation to change advisors
    34:56 Recap of excessive fees and risks
    36:33 Importance of honest warnings vs future losses
    37:48 Question on converting Vanguard mutual funds to ETFs
    38:52 Advantages of ETFs: cost, tax efficiency, liquidity
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    Ep. 1822: High Yield Risks Feb 02, 2026
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    In this episode of Talking Real Money, Don and Tom take aim at “magical” high-yield investments, focusing on why junk bond funds often behave more like risky stocks than stable bonds. Drawing on research from Larry Swedroe, they explain how high fees, high turnover, and economic sensitivity undermine the appeal of high-yield funds—especially during recessions. They reinforce the core principle that higher returns always mean higher risk and argue that investors are usually better served taking risk in equities and safety in high-quality bonds. Listener questions cover HSAs in retirement, Roth IRAs for young investors, backdoor Roth conversions, and the Vanguard Star Fund. The episode closes with discussion of RetireMeet 2026 and the importance of long-term, disciplined investing.
    0:04 Opening: Wanting high returns with no risk
    1:02 Introduction to “magical” high-yield investments
    1:10 Larry Swedroe’s research on junk bond funds
    2:20 Investment-grade vs. high-yield bonds explained
    4:29 Bankruptcy risk and bondholder losses
    5:49 Returns, volatility, and stock-like behavior
    6:36 Risk-adjusted returns and Sharpe ratios
    7:47 Why passive beats active in junk bonds
    8:35 2008 losses in high-yield funds
    9:36 “Yield is for farmers” and risk perspective
    10:42 Why higher yield always means higher risk
    11:08 Bonds as portfolio ballast
    12:17 Why equities are better for risk-taking
    12:27 HSA investing for medical expenses
    13:56 Roth IRA for grandson with long time horizon
    15:18 Backdoor Roth conversion tax question
    17:57 Vanguard Star Fund discussion
    19:03 Active vs. index fund comparisons
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    Ep. 1821: Cold Days Qs and As Jan 30, 2026
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    In this Friday Q&A episode, Don answers listener questions on handling backdoor Roth conversions with investment gains, whether Avantis or Vanguard makes more sense for bond investing, and why 529 plans have become even more attractive with new Roth rollover rules. He also tackles a puzzling report of inflated ETF pricing on Vanguard’s platform, urging further investigation, and reassures a listener concerned about AVGE’s diversification compared to VT. Along the way, Don emphasizes the importance of low fees in fixed income, the long-term logic behind factor investing, and the reality that taking additional risk is what creates the potential for higher returns.
    0:04 Friday Q&A intro and plea for more listener questions
    1:44 Backdoor Roth with gains—how to handle taxable growth
    6:01 Avantis vs. Vanguard for bond funds and why fees matter more in fixed income
    8:00 Using 529 plans for kids and new Roth rollover rules
    11:19 Odd ETF pricing on Vanguard and why it makes no sense
    13:38 AVGE vs. VT diversification concerns and factor investing explained
    18:24 Risk, factor tilts, and long-term expectations
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    Ep. 1820: Hard to Stop Jan 29, 2026
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    Don and Tom examine the long disciplinary history of former broker James Tuberosa and his attempt to reinvent himself as a registered investment advisor through a newly formed firm, highlighting how fiduciary language can be used to mask conflicts driven by insurance commissions. They walk listeners through the importance of reading Form ADV disclosures and explain how regulatory gaps allow questionable practices to continue. The episode reinforces the principle of “buyer beware” before shifting to listener questions on saving for major expenses, evaluating high-fee annuities for elderly retirees, Roth IRA investing for young adults, and the advantages modern investors enjoy from lower costs and better diversification. The show closes with reflections on financial literacy, generational investing improvements, and a preview of RetireMeet 2026.
    0:05 Opening and setup: broker misconduct story
    0:10 James Tuberosa’s career and long record of complaints
    1:14 FINRA expulsion and failed expungement lawsuit
    2:42 How complaints get quietly “settled”
    3:51 Shift from broker to RIA status
    4:49 Skyview Pinnacle and the “clean” front
    5:48 Using fiduciary language as marketing cover
    7:17 Why insurance escapes SEC oversight
    8:22 Conflicts disclosed in ADV
    9:19 Why disclosures matter
    10:47 Warning signs: promises and product pitching
    12:01 Weakness of fiduciary protection
    13:08 Ethical failures at large firms
    14:38 Fiduciary vs. commission contradiction
    15:36 Why reading ADVs protects investors
    16:17 Transition to listener questions
    17:16 Sinking funds: investing vs. saving
    18:40 Planning for major home repairs
    19:36 Elderly couple and complex annuity
    21:01 Risks of high-fee variable annuities
    22:36 Best Roth IRA investment for young adults
    23:24 Advantages for today’s investors
    24:58 Lower costs and better diversification today
    26:38 Historical perspective on investing access
    28:10 Listener engagement and contact info
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    Ep. 1819: Hedge Funds Pitch Jan 28, 2026
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    Don and Tom break down why hedge funds’ so-called “comeback” doesn’t justify their massive fees, showing how simple index portfolios continue to outperform. They challenge the idea of allocating even small amounts to speculative assets like Bitcoin, emphasizing academic research and real-world risk. The show covers Roth TSP strategies for young federal employees, the importance of international diversification, and why overcomplicated portfolios rarely add value. They also dismantle “Power of Zero” and life insurance retirement schemes, exposing their sales-driven motives. Throughout, Don and Tom reinforce their core message: disciplined saving, diversification, and simplicity beat hype, sales pitches, and emotional investing every time.
    0:20 How the live radio show becomes a “magical” podcast and why Don controls the edit
    1:55 Wall Street Journal hedge fund article feels like advertising
    3:28 Hedge fund returns vs. outrageous fees
    4:59 How simple 60/40 and 80/20 portfolios beat hedge funds
    6:43 Jason in Sammamish and the Tesla/Bitcoin debate
    8:11 Why speculative investing hurts regular savers
    10:56 Bitcoin, hype, and institutional money myths
    11:45 Bessenbinder research and why stock picking fails
    13:09 Why money decisions stay emotional
    14:03 Micro-cap stock failure rates
    15:11 Roth TSP matching and young federal employees
    16:32 When Roth vs. traditional makes sense
    19:21 Mad Men, old computers, and optimism about the future
    21:45 Asset allocation for young investors and AVUV vs. global funds
    23:52 Why international investing matters
    25:21 The case for simple one-fund portfolios
    27:45 Advisors pushing annuities and insurance
    29:14 Why LIRPs and “Power of Zero” plans are dangerous
    34:43 Exposing insurance-driven “tax-free retirement” marketing
    34:55 RetireMeet preview and upcoming events
    36:39 Voice-to-text tools and listener questions
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    Ep. 1818: Selling Game Jan 27, 2026
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    Don and Tom kick off the show with weekend banter and nostalgia about checkbooks before diving into why buying and selling a home remains one of life’s biggest—and most misunderstood—financial decisions. Using a Wall Street Journal quiz, they explore smart pricing, commission negotiations, low-cost home improvements, inspections, seasonal pricing patterns, and even haunted-house disclosures. Along the way, callers ask about life insurance planning, tax-managed accounts, umbrella insurance, and retirement income strategy. The episode emphasizes realistic expectations, low-cost investing, diversification, and avoiding unnecessary fees, while reminding listeners that simple, disciplined decisions usually beat flashy financial “solutions.”
    0:04 Weekend open, call-in invite, “no annuity” guarantee, check-writing nostalgia
    1:24 Don discovers last checks were written in 2019–2021
    2:45 Home buying/selling as life’s biggest transaction
    3:20 Overpricing your house and “it’s worth what someone pays”
    4:24 WSJ real estate quiz: pricing strategy in slow markets
    6:14 Break, banter, and commission quiz setup
    7:04 Real estate commissions are negotiable
    8:10 Selling by owner and staging realities
    9:14 Caller Dustin: debt-free at 27, life insurance, DIY vs advisors
    12:41 Planning for life insurance proceeds and beneficiaries
    14:06 Zillow estimates and home values
    14:43 Caller Joey: SMAs and tax-loss strategies
    17:31 Capital gains, housing exemptions, and SMA practicality
    19:16 Caller Beth: umbrella insurance for homeowners
    22:02 Caller Ron: retirement income, stable value funds, RMDs
    25:06 Diversification beyond the S&P 500
    26:50 Returning to WSJ real estate quiz
    27:43 Best ROI upgrades: paint and curb appeal
    28:23 Pre-listing inspections
    29:44 When home prices peak (June)
    31:09 Haunted houses and disclosure laws
    33:43 Listener portfolio: AVGE, AVGV, bonds
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    Ep. 1817: Who Do We Owe? Jan 26, 2026
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    Don and Tom tackle fears about U.S. national debt by breaking down who actually owns it (mostly Americans), why “China owns us” is wildly overstated, and why rising interest costs matter more than sensational headlines. They explain why government debt isn’t a looming foreclosure scenario, how interest payments circulate back to investors, and why politics often distorts financial decision-making. The show also covers 60/40 portfolio resilience, the real role of bonds, listener questions on AVGE and DFAW, investing simplicity, and a nostalgic detour into Spam keys and Mad Men—ending with encouragement for disciplined, long-term investing.
    0:05 National debt fears and the “Mr. Potter foreclosing America” analogy
    0:27 Holiday movies, Home Alone sequels, and It’s a Wonderful Life
    1:13 Who really owns U.S. debt and why it matters
    2:50 Japan, UK, and China holdings explained
    4:02 Why foreign selling wouldn’t crash the economy
    5:13 Most U.S. debt is owned domestically
    5:31 Interest payments now exceeding military spending
    6:18 What debt interest really costs households
    7:19 Why investors shouldn’t panic over government debt
    8:15 Politics vs. rational investing decisions
    9:55 Debt, taxes, and what society is willing to give up
    11:28 Historical tax rates and Mad Men economics
    12:37 Military spending and post-WWII budgets
    13:22 60/40 portfolios and market downturn protection
    14:43 Worst historical declines for balanced portfolios
    16:37 Long-term resilience of diversified investing
    17:51 Bonds: income vs. volatility control
    19:08 Spam keys, Hormel, and changing industries
    20:52 AVGE, DFAW, and Apella portfolio structure
    22:29 Simplicity vs. complexity in investing
    23:47 Podcast longevity and download estimates
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