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    Stephan Livera Podcast

    Join Stephan as he interviews the sharpest economic and technical minds in Bitcoin & Austrian Economics to help you understand how money is changing and evolving. Leading names in the world of Bitcoin join the show to share their insights, whether they are developers, CEOs, economists, authors, analysts and more.

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    Dice Rolls, Entropy, and SeedSigner | Keith Mukai SLP766 Aug 22, 2026
    Show notes

    In this episode,Keith Mukai of SeedSigner joins to explain why 1.4 percent variance in cheap dice still delivers full 128-bit entropy and how to verify rolls across devices.

    Timestamps:

    03:10 — Cheap Dice Only 1.4% Unfair?

    06:29 — Shake Multiple Dice in a Box

    08:26 — Verify Dice Rolls Across Devices

    11:02 — Verify Dice Seeds With Fake Rolls

    13:50 — Multiple Test Rounds Foil Attackers

    16:36 — 90% Users Choose Easy RNG Mode

    19:08 — Jade's D&D Dice Method?

    21:53 — Build Your Own: Avoid Mailing List Leak

    24:48 — Stateless Device: Evil Maid Gets Nothing

    26:45 — Hand-Drawn SeedQR: Skip Typing 24 Words

    29:02 — SeedSigner: Built for Long-Term Cold Storage

    31:30 — Evil Maid SD Card Swap Destroys Security

    35:27 — Why Multisig Beats Single-Sig + Passphrase

    37:14 — Scan Sparrow PDF QR to Load Multisig

    42:16 — No One-Size-Fits-All Security

    46:41 — Understand Dice Rolls Yourself

    49:13 — Take Baby Steps to Multisig

    Links:

    • https://seedsigner.com/

    • https://x.com/keithmukai

    • https://x.com/SeedSigner

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    Jade for Single-Sig or Multisig | Rich SLP765 Aug 19, 2026
    Show notes

    In this episode, Rich from the team at Blockstream explains Jade, offline dice entropy, blind oracle protection, multisig descriptor recovery and the new Blockstream Swaps beta.

    Timestamps:

    00:45 — AI Scans & Audits Secure Jade

    03:21 — Jade Core $99, Plus Up to $169

    05:51 — Roll Dice for Offline Seed Entropy

    08:23 — Blind Oracle: Remote Secure Element Explained

    11:15 — Seed QR: Hand-Draw Your Recovery Phrase

    15:24 — Jade Sends Back Lost Multisig Descriptor

    19:40 — People Choosing Multisig Over ETFs

    25:03 — Blockstream Swaps Beta: Lightning to Liquid

    Links:

    • blockstream.com/jade

    • https://x.com/blockstream

    • https://x.com/blockstreamjade

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    Wavelength Delivers Ark-Based Lightning Without Node Overhead | Roasbeef & Michael Levin SLP764 Aug 14, 2026
    Show notes

    Lightning Labs built Wavelength to deliver self-custodial Lightning payments without forcing users to run nodes, manage channels, or handle liquidity.

    Olaoluwa Osuntokun, CTO and co-founder of Lightning Labs, and Michael Levin, VP of Product, join me to detail the design choices behind their Ark implementation.

    They explain why Ark was selected, how hop hints let every payment use ordinary Lightning invoices, and why the four-endpoint SDK targets AI agents and vibe coders. The conversation covers sub-dust vouchers, unilateral exits, offline payment delivery, and one-basis-point alpha pricing.

    Wavelength shows that self-custodial Lightning can match the integration ease of custodial services while preserving Bitcoin sovereignty.

    Timestamps

    01:28 — Why Wavelength: Lightning Without Node Pain

    03:00 — Why Ark?

    05:28 — No New Addresses: Just Lightning Invoices

    08:40 — Targeting Vibe Coders & AI Agents

    13:06 — Lightning Beats Credit for LLM APIs

    17:51 — Receive Sub-1k Sat Vouchers Seamlessly

    19:32 — Normal User Spins Up Ark Wallet Fast

    23:02 — Build Wallets with Just 4 Endpoints

    24:46 — Telegram Self-Custodial Wallets Already Live

    26:21 — Offline Payments Still Arrive Automatically

    29:17 — Drop-In SDK for iOS and Android

    31:26 — Can Servers Steal Your Funds?

    33:36 — Wavelength Alpha: Just 1 Bip Fees

    37:57 — AI Attacks Targeting Bitcoin Services?

    44:05 — Bug Bounties Shift to Token Spending

    48:36 — Self-Custody as Easy as Custodial

    Links:

    • https://x.com/roasbee

    • https://x.com/MichaelLevin

    • Wavelength Announcement: https://x.com/lightning/status/2079620936567779707

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    Bitcoin Custody Rules Have Changed | Michael Tanguma SLP763 Aug 13, 2026
    Show notes

    Old self-custody approaches collapse once Bitcoin reaches six figures, physical threats rise, and AI tools proliferate. Single hardware wallets and mattress myths no longer match the scale or risks that large holders now face.

    Michael Tanguma, CEO and co-founder of Onramp, returns to examine how custody must adapt to family obligations, mortality, and market structure that turns concentrated holdings into targets.

    The discussion covers why repeated exchange failures keep Bitcoin looking speculative to outsiders, how multi-institution setups reduce scam ROI, and the limits of adding more dice or vendors in an AI era. It also addresses custody pricing models and the practical question of whether any current setup survives a tenfold price increase.

    Game theory now requires diversified institutional layers rather than pure self-reliance for serious stacks.

    Timestamp:

    03:43 — Bitcoin Custody Won't Work Like 2012

    05:49 — Self-Custody Rules Changed With Your Life

    07:19 — Why Bitcoiners Must Stop the Mattress Myth

    09:01 — Bitcoin's Asset Layer Makes It Unstoppable

    11:22 — Private Keys Are Like Firearms

    15:40 — Custody Losses Keep Bitcoin Speculative

    18:56 — AI Just Changed Self-Custody Forever

    21:41 — Why Bitcoin Robberies Are Skyrocketing

    25:41 — Multi-Institution Custody Kills Pig Butchering

    27:57 — Bitcoin at $650K: Security Nightmare?

    29:30 — Game Theory Demands Multi-Custody Bitcoin

    32:03 — Centralized Custody: The Honeypot Risk

    37:56 — Why Custody Fees Should Be Zero

    39:51 — Full Bitcoin Custody for $100/Month

    42:51 — Would Your Setup Survive 10x Bitcoin?

    Links:

    • https://x.com/mtanguma

    • https://x.com/OnrampBitcoin

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    #Bitcoin #SelfCustody #Custody #OnrampBitcoin #StephanLivera #StephanLiveraPodcast #BitcoinSecurity #MultiSig


    Breez Ships Glow — A Super Simple Bitcoin Wallet | Roy Sheinfeld SLP762 Aug 12, 2026
    Show notes

    Roy Sheinfeld of Breez returns to walk through Glow, the team's new reference wallet built using Spark. It’s designed so non-custodial Bitcoin feels simple: send, receive, and go.

    Glow uses passkey onboarding (no seed phrase to write down), automatic backup via the passkey provider, and a single-balance UX so users can pay Lightning, on-chain, and stablecoin destinations without wrestling settings.

    They also cover client-side swaps (Flashnet, multi-vendor architecture after Boltz), AI-driven attacks on swap providers, where Lightning volume actually comes from, Spark unilateral exits, and how AI plus the Breez SDK lets non-developers ship Bitcoin apps from a prompt.

    Timestamps

    04:21 — Bitcoin Wallet Onboard with One Passkey

    08:05 — Stables on Lightning: Overhyped?

    09:59 — Swaps Needed Even With Lightning Stables

    11:48 — AI Attacks: Cheaper to Attack Than Defend

    15:07 — Why Small Teams Get Hacked First

    17:15 — Swaps Going Private to Survive?

    19:17 — Backends Drive Most Lightning Volume

    21:32 — 80/20 Rule: B2B Drives Lightning Volume

    25:13 — Making Unilateral Exit Economically Viable

    29:48 — Spark Public Mode

    31:38 — One Prompt Builds a Bitcoin App

    33:13 — Non-Technical Users Now Ship Bitcoin Apps

    Links:

    • https://x.com/roy_breez

    • https://x.com/breez_tech

    • https://breez.technology/glow/

    Stephan Livera links:

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    Bitcoin Multi Sig vs Secure Single Sig with Nick Neuman | SLP761 Aug 07, 2026
    Show notes

    In this episode, Nick Neuman of Casa argues that it’s not the end of self-custody. Instead, it highlights why multisig with multiple vendors provides stronger protection without the hidden complexity of passphrases or dice rolling for single sig setups.

    Timestamps:

    03:12 — Not the End of Self-Custody

    06:14 — Single Sig Is Actually More Complex

    08:45 — Multisig Simpler Than Secure Single Sig

    15:37 — $1K Single Sig, $10K Multisig?

    17:32 — Casa's $250 2-of-3 Multisig Plan

    20:01 — Private Clients Get Dedicated Advisors

    22:21 — Bitkey vs Casa

    27:36 — Going Closed Source Versus AI Attacks

    30:23 — AI Code Audits Now Cost $1K

    33:04 — Auto-Rejecting Unknown Callers Saves You

    34:35 — Guardian Mode Requires Video Verification

    Links:

    • https://x.com/Nneuman

    • https://x.com/CasaHODL

    • https://casa.io/

    Stephan Livera links:

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    Kruw on Wasabi 2.8 and Upcoming Forks | SLP760 Aug 06, 2026
    Show notes

    Kruw (@kruwed) runs one of the highest-volume WabiSabi coordinators, giving him direct insight into how the protocol handles liquidity, Sybil resistance, and real-world usage.

    Timestamps:

    00:42 — Wasabi 2.8 Privacy Features

    02:45 — Taproot As Wasabi's Default Address

    07:25 — Pay Inside CoinJoin Saves 40 Minutes

    10:26 — Auto CoinJoin

    12:21 — WabiSabi Blocks Whale Sybil Attacks

    14:31 — Payjoins

    16:37 — ClusterMempool Wins for CoinJoins

    20:00 — Upcoming forks

    21:14 — CoinJoin: Free Replay Protection Hack

    22:53 — CoinJoin Ban Myth Debunked

    25:41 — Black Hole: Earn While Mixing

    Links:

    • https://x.com/wasabiwallet

    • https://x.com/Kruwed

    • https://wasabiwallet.io/

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    Bitcoin Security Consortium with Mike Schmidt | SLP759 Jul 28, 2026
    Show notes

    In this episode, Mike Schmidt executive director of Brink, and volunteer coordinator for the consortium, explains how the group formed, autonomy over funding, and how it plans to avoid repeating earlier centralized roadmap fights.

    Timestamps:

    00:55 — Quantum Risk and the Consortium Pledge

    03:10 — The Nine Consortium Members

    11:40 — Publishing Quantum Research Publicly

    13:39 — Brink Role and Funding Concerns

    16:20 — Defining Early Success Metrics

    19:00 — Informing the Public on Quantum Progress

    21:17 — Institutional Influence and Protocol Concerns

    25:13 — Research First on Quantum Signatures

    29:25 — Expanding Quantum Expertise

    33:14 — Scope Beyond Quantum Security

    35:31 — Why Quantum Motivates Corporate Involvement

    37:43 — Debates Over Development Funding

    40:30 — No Protocol Roadmap From the Consortium

    42:57 — Three-Year Goal: Mature Proposals

    Links:

    • Press release: https://www.strategy.com/press/leading-financial-institutions-bitcoin-companies-launch-the-bitcoin-security-consortium_07-23-2026

    • Mike’s thread: https://x.com/bitschmidty/status/2080263159152091455

    • Consortium X: https://x.com/BTCconsortium

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    Daniel Buchner: Why BIP 110 Cannot Stop Bitcoin Spam | SLP758 Jul 23, 2026
    Show notes

    Buchner, known for his work on decentralized identity at Proof, brings a technical and game-theoretic lens to the debate over Bitcoin's monetary focus versus attempts to restrict arbitrary data.

    The conversation covers narrative shifts driving spam to Bitcoin, the limits of relay policy versus consensus rules, why the house analogy fails, economic node power over basement operators, and the lack of miner or buyer support that dooms the proposal.

    Timestamps:

    01:31 — Locusts Flock to Bitcoin's Last Pasture

    03:32 — Core Policy Tweaks Aren't Consensus Rules

    08:44 — Spam Hides in Any Public Key or Hash

    11:12 — Spammers Adapt in a Day, Consensus Can't

    14:59 — BIP110 Debate Exposes Major Inconsistency

    20:44 — Why the House Analogy Totally Fails

    25:25 — Nodes Get Cheaper Even With Max Spam

    28:08 — Set Tolerances Assuming Worst Case

    30:35 — No Legal Liability for Bad Chain Data

    33:04 — Filter Regime Creates Government Backdoor

    35:13 — BIP 110 Risks Centralizing Devs Around Luke

    37:33 — Economic Incentives Trump 'Good Guy' Miners

    39:03 — Economic Nodes Outweigh Basement Node Runners

    43:49 — BIP 110 Has Near-Zero Economic Support

    48:43 — Why Game Theory Kills BIP 110

    55:52 — BIP 110 Fork Dies With a Whimper

    Links:

    • https://x.com/csuwildcat

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    Lyn Alden: BIP 110 Could Trigger August Bitcoin Chain Split | SLP757 Jul 22, 2026
    Show notes

    Lyn Alden warns that BIP 110 is unlikely to curb spam and instead mostly rearranges non-monetary data, raising the risk of a minority fork attempt that could split the Bitcoin chain.

    Lyn Alden is a leading macro analyst and Bitcoiner who examines how fiscal dominance now overrides traditional monetary policy tools.

    She breaks down why high debt-to-GDP ratios prevent rate hikes from taming inflation, how broad money supply still expands 5-8 percent annually, the limits of semiconductor and AI valuations, and the structure of a new Bitcoin-backed permanent capital vehicle for acquiring cash-flowing businesses.

    Timestamps:

    02:14 — BIP 110 Won't Stop Spam

    04:56 — Bitcoin Faces August Chain Split Risk

    12:12 — Bitcoin in Bottom Decile of Cycle

    15:37 — Nothing Stops This Fiscal Train

    18:04 — Why Volcker Can't Work Today

    22:02 — Higher Rates Won't Break the System

    24:44 — Net Issuance Matters, Not Gross Refi

    27:34 — Fed Balance Sheet Stays Flattish

    32:56 — Broad Money Grows Despite Flat Fed

    36:05 — US Money Supply Growth Hits 5-8%

    38:51 — Fiscal Dominance: Who Wins the Money?

    41:50 — Why Semiconductors Print Money

    45:13 — Software Stocks: Value Trap or Opportunity?

    47:31 — AI Is the New Dot-Com Bubble

    52:00 — Orange Juice: Bitcoin-Backed Business Buyer

    57:57 — Permanent Capital Vehicle, Not a Fund

    59:39 — Founders Keep Equity Upside After Sale

    Links:

    • X: https://x.com/LynAldenContact

    • Website: https://www.lynalden.com/0

    • BIP 110 debate ("motte-and-bailey" critique): https://x.com/LynAldenContact/status/2078599151043162159

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