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Laura Orlando: PFAS, Sewage Sludge, And Poisoned Farms Jun 16, 2026

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#281: Laura Orlando explains what happens when industrial waste and human waste are routed into the same sewage system and repackaged to be sold as something safe - valuable even, for improving farmland. She explains how sludge spreading has poisoned farms, why Maine became a national beacon by banning its application, and what it will take to stop sewage sludge from becoming an even bigger crisis for farmers, soil, water, and public health.

https://realorganicproject.org/laura-orlando-pfas-sewage-sludge-poisoned-farms

The Real Organic Podcast is hosted by Dave Chapman and Linley Dixon, engineered by Brandon StCyr, and edited and produced by Jenny Prince. The Real Organic Project is a farmer-led movement working towards certifying 1,000 farms across the United States. Our add-on food label distinguishes soil-grown fruits and vegetables from hydroponically-raised produce, and pasture-raised meat, milk, and eggs from products harvested from animals in horrific confinement (CAFOs - confined animal feeding operations). To find a Real Organic farm near you, please visit: https://www.realorganicproject.org/directory We believe that the organic standards, with their focus on soil health, biodiversity, and animal welfare were written as they should be, but that the current lack of enforcement of those standards is jeopardizing the ability for small farms who adhere to the law to stay in business. The lack of enforcement is also jeopardizing the overall health of the customers who support the organic movement; customers who are not getting what they pay for at market but still paying a premium price. And the lack of enforcement is jeopardizing the very cycles (water, air, nutrients) that Earth relies upon to provide us all with a place to live, by pushing extractive, chemical agriculture to the forefront. To read our weekly newsletter and get firsthand news about what's happening with organic food, farming and policy, please subscribe here: https://www.realorganicproject.org/email/

Pam Koch: Joan Gussow’s Nutritional Ecology Legacy Jun 09, 2026

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#280 Pam Koch reflects on what she learned from Joan Gussow, how Nutritional Ecology changed the way students think about food, and why Joan’s ideas feel even more urgent now. Moving from the history of nutrition science and the limits of reductionist research to the failures of conventional agriculture and the false promise of techno-fixes, Pam shares Joan's belief that real organic food offers a better path for both people and the planet.

https://realorganicproject.org/pam-koch-joan-gussow-nutritional-ecology-legacy

Zephyr Teachout: Organic's Deal With The Devil Jun 02, 2026

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#279: Zephyr Teachout uses the question of organic integrity to explore a larger political problem: what happens when concentrated private power reshapes public rules while staying mostly within the law? Starting with the pressure on Real Organic to join forces with industrial organic against Bayer and Syngenta, she and Dave unpack corruption, anti-monopoly politics, regenerative agriculture, decentralization, and why any movement that gives up its leverage too early risks losing the very thing it set out to defend.

https://realorganicproject.org/zephyr-teachout-organic-deal-with-devil The Real Organic Podcast is hosted by Dave Chapman and Linley Dixon, engineered by Brandon StCyr, and edited and produced by Jenny Prince. The Real Organic Project is a farmer-led movement working towards certifying 1,000 farms across the United States. Our add-on food label distinguishes soil-grown fruits and vegetables from hydroponically-raised produce, and pasture-raised meat, milk, and eggs from products harvested from animals in horrific confinement (CAFOs - confined animal feeding operations). To find a Real Organic farm near you, please visit: https://www.realorganicproject.org/directory We believe that the organic standards, with their focus on soil health, biodiversity, and animal welfare were written as they should be, but that the current lack of enforcement of those standards is jeopardizing the ability for small farms who adhere to the law to stay in business. The lack of enforcement is also jeopardizing the overall health of the customers who support the organic movement; customers who are not getting what they pay for at market but still paying a premium price. And the lack of enforcement is jeopardizing the very cycles (water, air, nutrients) that Earth relies upon to provide us all with a place to live, by pushing extractive, chemical agriculture to the forefront. To read our weekly newsletter and get firsthand news about what's happening with organic food, farming and policy, please subscribe here: https://www.realorganicproject.org/email/

Austin Frerick: Food Barons - Live At Churchtown May 26, 2026

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#278: Austin Frerick takes the stage at our annual Churchtown Dairy event to explain why today’s food economy looks less like a functioning market that benefits farmers and eaters, and more like a new Gilded Age. He traces how a handful of Big Food "barons" have consolidated power over grain, meat, dairy, coffee, and distribution, often using tactics that average humans would just never consider. He then lays out a practical reform agenda built around antitrust enforcement, institutional buying, farm-bill redesign, and stronger journalism to yield a more positive vision for rural America and the future of food and farming. https://realorganicproject.org/austin-frerick-food-barons-live-at-churchtown The Real Organic Podcast is hosted by Dave Chapman and Linley Dixon, engineered by Brandon StCyr, and edited and produced by Jenny Prince. The Real Organic Project is a farmer-led movement working towards certifying 1,000 farms across the United States. Our add-on food label distinguishes soil-grown fruits and vegetables from hydroponically-raised produce, and pasture-raised meat, milk, and eggs from products harvested from animals in horrific confinement (CAFOs - confined animal feeding operations). To find a Real Organic farm near you, please visit: https://www.realorganicproject.org/directory We believe that the organic standards, with their focus on soil health, biodiversity, and animal welfare were written as they should be, but that the current lack of enforcement of those standards is jeopardizing the ability for small farms who adhere to the law to stay in business. The lack of enforcement is also jeopardizing the overall health of the customers who support the organic movement; customers who are not getting what they pay for at market but still paying a premium price. And the lack of enforcement is jeopardizing the very cycles (water, air, nutrients) that Earth relies upon to provide us all with a place to live, by pushing extractive, chemical agriculture to the forefront. To read our weekly newsletter and get firsthand news about what's happening with organic food, farming and policy, please subscribe here: https://www.realorganicproject.org/email/

Lindsey Lusher Shute: GrownBy + The Future Of Farmer-Owned Tech May 19, 2026

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#277: Lindsey Lusher Shute returns to connect the dots between young farmer organizing, land access, and the practical tools farms need to survive. She shares how Hearty Roots Community Farm helped shape her policy work, why she left the National Young Farmers Coalition to focus on GrownBy, and how a cooperative approach to technology can support CSA sales, wholesale orders, farmers market transactions, and nutrition benefit access without putting growers at the mercy of outside investors.

https://realorganicproject.org/lindsey-lusher-shute-grownby-farmer-owned-tech

To find a Real Organic farm near you, please visit:

https://www.realorganicproject.org/directory

We believe that the organic standards, with their focus on soil health, biodiversity, and animal welfare were written as they should be, but that the current lack of enforcement of those standards is jeopardizing the ability for small farms who adhere to the law to stay in business. The lack of enforcement is also jeopardizing the overall health of the customers who support the organic movement; customers who are not getting what they pay for at market but still paying a premium price. And the lack of enforcement is jeopardizing the very cycles (water, air, nutrients) that Earth relies upon to provide us all with a place to live, by pushing extractive, chemical agriculture to the forefront.

If you like what you hear and are feeling inspired, we would love for you to join our movement by becoming one of our 1,000 Real Friends:

https://realorganicproject.org/mara-hoplamazian-pfas-safe-drinking-water

To read our weekly newsletter (which might just be the most forwarded newsletter on the internet!) and get firsthand news about what's happening with organic food, farming and policy, please subscribe here:

https://www.realorganicproject.org/email/

Bonus: NHPR's Safe To Drink | Season 1, Episode 1 May 15, 2026

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This week we’re sharing a special episode from our friends at the Safe to Drink podcast, produced by the Pulitzer Prize-finalist team behind Bear Brook and The 13th Step at New Hampshire Public Radio.

Safe to Drink investigates one of the largest PFAS contamination events in New Hampshire’s history. Hosted by NHPR climate reporter Mara Hoplamazian, the series follows a community grappling with “forever chemicals” in its drinking water at a moment when PFAS contamination is increasingly understood as a widespread climate and public health issue affecting communities across the country.

Today’s special episode, which is their series debut of Safe to Drink, is titled “You Don’t Know About This?”. Through deeply reported storytelling, Safe to Drink podcast explores how climate-driven industrial pollution, scientific uncertainty, and regulatory gaps collide, and what happens when families are told their water is safe while evidence suggests otherwise. It’s a timely listen for audiences looking to better understand the human stakes of environmental contamination and climate accountability. For more episodes like this, make sure to follow Safe To Drink on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. And tell them Real Organic Project sent you!

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The Real Organic Podcast is hosted by Dave Chapman and Linley Dixon, engineered by Brandon StCyr, and edited and produced by Jenny Prince.

The Real Organic Project is a farmer-led movement working towards certifying 1,000 farms across the United States. Our add-on food label distinguishes soil-grown fruits and vegetables from hydroponically-raised produce, and pasture-raised meat, milk, and eggs from products harvested from animals in horrific confinement (CAFOs - confined animal feeding operations). To find a Real Organic farm near you, please visit: https://www.realorganicproject.org/directory We believe that the organic standards, with their focus on soil health, biodiversity, and animal welfare were written as they should be, but that the current lack of enforcement of those standards is jeopardizing the ability for small farms who adhere to the law to stay in business. The lack of enforcement is also jeopardizing the overall health of the customers who support the organic movement; customers who are not getting what they pay for at market but still paying a premium price. And the lack of enforcement is jeopardizing the very cycles (water, air, nutrients) that Earth relies upon to provide us all with a place to live, by pushing extractive, chemical agriculture to the forefront. To read our weekly newsletter (which might just be the most forwarded newsletter on the internet!) and get firsthand news about what's happening with organic food, farming and policy, please subscribe here: https://www.realorganicproject.org/email/

Mara Hoplamazian: PFAS + Safe Drinking Water May 12, 2026

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#276: Mara Hoplamazian joins the Real Organic Podcast to talk about PFAS contamination, poisoned wells, citizen activism, and the long struggle to make drinking water safer in New Hampshire and beyond. Their reporting on the NHPR series Safe to Drink follows the communities, workers, regulators, and advocates caught in a crisis shaped by corporate secrecy and years of delayed action. After this Tuesday release, listeners can stay with the story when Episode One of Safe to Drink arrives in this feed on Friday, May 15, 2026.

https://realorganicproject.org/mara-hoplamazian-pfas-safe-drinking-water

To find a Real Organic farm near you, please visit:

https://www.realorganicproject.org/directory

If you like what you hear and are feeling inspired, we would love for you to join our movement by becoming one of our 1,000 Real Friends:

https://realorganicproject.org/mara-hoplamazian-pfas-safe-drinking-water

https://www.realorganicproject.org/email/

Marion Nestle: Food Politics in the Age of MAHA May 05, 2026

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#275: Marion Nestle takes the Churchtown stage to examine what the Make America Healthy Again movement is actually doing, and not doing, inside the American food system. She looks at food dyes, the GRAS loophole, SNAP restrictions, ultra-processed foods, pesticide politics, dietary guidelines, and the competing pressures of Big Food, Big Ag, and Washington lobbyists, arguing that the rhetoric around reform has been striking while the real test will be whether any of it meaningfully changes public health or the future of farming.

https://realorganicproject.org/marion-nestle-food-politics-maha

The Real Organic Podcast is hosted by Dave Chapman and Linley Dixon, engineered by Brandon StCyr, and edited and produced by Jenny Prince.
The Real Organic Project is a farmer-led movement working towards certifying 1,000 farms across the United States. Our add-on food label distinguishes soil-grown fruits and vegetables from hydroponically-raised produce, and pasture-raised meat, milk, and eggs from products harvested from animals in horrific confinement (CAFOs - confined animal feeding operations).
To find a Real Organic farm near you, please visit:
https://www.realorganicproject.org/directory
We believe that the organic standards, with their focus on soil health, biodiversity, and animal welfare were written as they should be, but that the current lack of enforcement of those standards is jeopardizing the ability for small farms who adhere to the law to stay in business. The lack of enforcement is also jeopardizing the overall health of the customers who support the organic movement; customers who are not getting what they pay for at market but still paying a premium price. And the lack of enforcement is jeopardizing the very cycles (water, air, nutrients) that Earth relies upon to provide us all with a place to live, by pushing extractive, chemical agriculture to the forefront.
If you like what you hear and are feeling inspired, we would love for you to join our movement by becoming one of our 1,000 Real Friends:
https://www.realorganicproject.org/real-organic-friends/
To read our weekly newsletter (which might just be the most forwarded newsletter on the internet!) and get firsthand news about what's happening with organic food, farming and policy, please subscribe here:
https://www.realorganicproject.org/email/

Hugh Kent: The Science Of Life On An Organic Farm May 04, 2026

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#274: Hugh Kent returns to further the case that there is a growing divide in agriculture between industrial, chemical-intesnive practices and the organic approach of working with nature. He connects living soil, on-farm biodiversity, natural pest control, blueberry flavor and shelf life, hydroponic confusion, and the economic case for selling directly to people who still want food grown in a genuinely biological system.

https://realorganicproject.org/hugh-kent-science-of-life-on-organic-farm

The Real Organic Podcast is hosted by Dave Chapman and Linley Dixon, engineered by Brandon StCyr, and edited and produced by Jenny Prince.
The Real Organic Project is a farmer-led movement working towards certifying 1,000 farms across the United States. Our add-on food label distinguishes soil-grown fruits and vegetables from hydroponically-raised produce, and pasture-raised meat, milk, and eggs from products harvested from animals in horrific confinement (CAFOs - confined animal feeding operations).
To find a Real Organic farm near you, please visit:
https://www.realorganicproject.org/directory
We believe that the organic standards, with their focus on soil health, biodiversity, and animal welfare were written as they should be, but that the current lack of enforcement of those standards is jeopardizing the ability for small farms who adhere to the law to stay in business. The lack of enforcement is also jeopardizing the overall health of the customers who support the organic movement; customers who are not getting what they pay for at market but still paying a premium price. And the lack of enforcement is jeopardizing the very cycles (water, air, nutrients) that Earth relies upon to provide us all with a place to live, by pushing extractive, chemical agriculture to the forefront.
If you like what you hear and are feeling inspired, we would love for you to join our movement by becoming one of our 1,000 Real Friends:
https://www.realorganicproject.org/real-organic-friends/
To read our weekly newsletter (which might just be the most forwarded newsletter on the internet!) and get firsthand news about what's happening with organic food, farming and policy, please subscribe here:

https://www.realorganicproject.org/email/

Suzanne Simard: When The Forest Breathes Apr 21, 2026

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#273: Suzanne Simard joins Linley to discuss her new book, When the Forest Breathes, and the science that has made her one of the most influential voices in forest ecology. Together they explore mycorrhizae, soil life, clear-cutting, herbicides, climate adaptation, and the difference between forests managed for short-term extraction (industry) and forests managed for long-term resilience (indigenous populations). The result is a wide-ranging conversation about why both forestry and agriculture have everything to gain from working with living systems instead of against them.

https://realorganicproject.org/suzanne-simard-when-the-forest-breathes

The Real Organic Podcast is hosted by Dave Chapman and Linley Dixon, engineered by Brandon StCyr, and edited and produced by Jenny Prince.
The Real Organic Project is a farmer-led movement working towards certifying 1,000 farms across the United States. Our add-on food label distinguishes soil-grown fruits and vegetables from hydroponically-raised produce, and pasture-raised meat, milk, and eggs from products harvested from animals in horrific confinement (CAFOs - confined animal feeding operations).
To find a Real Organic farm near you, please visit:
https://www.realorganicproject.org/directory
We believe that the organic standards, with their focus on soil health, biodiversity, and animal welfare were written as they should be, but that the current lack of enforcement of those standards is jeopardizing the ability for small farms who adhere to the law to stay in business. The lack of enforcement is also jeopardizing the overall health of the customers who support the organic movement; customers who are not getting what they pay for at market but still paying a premium price. And the lack of enforcement is jeopardizing the very cycles (water, air, nutrients) that Earth relies upon to provide us all with a place to live, by pushing extractive, chemical agriculture to the forefront.
If you like what you hear and are feeling inspired, we would love for you to join our movement by becoming one of our 1,000 Real Friends:
https://www.realorganicproject.org/real-organic-friends/
To read our weekly newsletter (which might just be the most forwarded newsletter on the internet!) and get firsthand news about what's happening with organic food, farming and policy, please subscribe here:

https://www.realorganicproject.org/email/

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