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    Real Organic Podcast

    Farmers interview scientists, activists, politicians, and authors engaged in protecting USDA organic food against an active corporate takeover. Real Organic Project released its add-on food label in stores and markets in 2021,  and is focused on introducing eaters across the United States to our movement and its allies. In this podcast series, you’ll meet the best organic and regenerative farmers around, as well as journalists, climate experts, policy makers and chefs (Dr. Vandana Shiva, Paul Hawken, Leah Penniman, Bill Mckibben, Alice Waters, Dan Barber, and Eliot Coleman – to name a few!) who support our mission and have lent their voices and insights to explaining the importance of keeping corporate cheaters out of the real food movement. As bad players aim to redefine what food is for the sake of their own profits, we believe there is too much at stake for both human and planetary health today and into the future. Feed the soil, not the plant!! 

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    Eliot Coleman: Real Organic vs. Chemical Farming Jun 22, 2021
    Show notes

    #008: Farming icon Eliot Coleman talks about deep organic, deep science, and the history of organic farming's struggle to stave off the chemical farming industry.
    Eliot Coleman is an author, market gardener, and educator. His work on the USDA study in the late 1970's, "Report and Recommendations on Organic Farming" helped lead to the formation of the National Organic Program, setting the very standards that are being ignored by corporate interests today.
    To watch a video version of this podcast with access to the full transcript and links relevant to our conversation, please visit:
    https://www.realorganicproject.org/eliot-coleman-real-organic-vs-chemical-farming-episode-eight
    The Real Organic Podcast is hosted by Dave Chapman and Linley Dixon, engineered by Brandon StCyr, and edited and produced by Jenny Prince.
    The Real Organic Project is a farmer-led movement working towards certifying 1,000 farms across the United States this year. Our add-on food label distinguishes soil-grown fruits and vegetables from hydroponically-raised produce, and pasture-raised meat, milk, and eggs from products harvested from animals in horrific confinement (CAFOs - confined animal feeding operations).
    To find a Real Organic farm near you, please visit:
    https://www.realorganicproject.org/farms
    We believe that the organic standards, with their focus on soil health, biodiversity, and animal welfare were written as they should be, but that the current lack of enforcement of those standards is jeopardizing the ability for small farms who adhere to the law to stay in business. The lack of enforcement is also jeopardizing the overall health of the customers who support the organic movement; customers who are not getting what they pay for at market but still paying a premium price. And the lack of enforcement is jeopardizing the very cycles (water, air, nutrients) that Earth relies upon to provide us all with a place to live, by pushing extractive, chemical agriculture to the forefront.
    If you like what you hear and are feeling inspired, we would love for you to join our movement by becoming one of our 1,000 Real Fans!
    https://www.realorganicproject.org/1000-real-fans/
    To read our weekly newsletter (which might just be the most forwarded newsletter on the internet!) and get firsthand news about what's happening with organic food, farming and policy, please subscribe here:
    https://www.realorganicproject.org/email/


    Emily Oakley: Living Next to a CAFO while Serving on the NOSB Jun 17, 2021
    Show notes

    #007: Real Organic farmer Emily Oakley shares her experiences serving on the National Organic Standards Board during the infamous and shocking vote to allow Hydroponics into USDA organic in 2017. She also shares what it's like living next to a chicken CAFO (confined animal feeding operation) in Oklahoma, whether to buy or grow fertility on farms, and how she believes that farmers like her desperately need the solidarity and support of the Real Organic Project to stay in business.
    Emily Oakley farms with her husband Mike Appel at Three Springs Farm in Oklahoma. She is a former National Organic Standards Board member and currently served in the Real Organic Project's Advisory Board.
    To watch a video version of this podcast with access to the full transcript and links relevant to our conversation, please visit:
    https://www.realorganicproject.org/emily-oakley-living-next-to-a-cafo-while-serving-on-the-nosb
    The Real Organic Podcast is hosted by Dave Chapman and Linley Dixon, engineered by Brandon StCyr, and edited and produced by Jenny Prince.
    The Real Organic Project is a farmer-led movement working towards certifying 1,000 farms across the United States this year. Our add-on food label distinguishes soil-grown fruits and vegetables from hydroponically-raised produce, and pasture-raised meat, milk, and eggs from products harvested from animals in horrific confinement (CAFOs - confined animal feeding operations).
    To find a Real Organic farm near you, please visit:
    https://www.realorganicproject.org/farms
    We believe that the organic standards, with their focus on soil health, biodiversity, and animal welfare were written as they should be, but that the current lack of enforcement of those standards is jeopardizing the ability for small farms who adhere to the law to stay in business. The lack of enforcement is also jeopardizing the overall health of the customers who support the organic movement; customers who are not getting what they pay for at market but still paying a premium price. And the lack of enforcement is jeopardizing the very cycles (water, air, nutrients) that Earth relies upon to provide us all with a place to live, by pushing extractive, chemical agriculture to the forefront.
    If you like what you hear and are feeling inspired, we would love for you to join our movement by becoming one of our 1,000 Real Fans!
    https://www.realorganicproject.org/1000-real-fans/
    To read our weekly newsletter (which might just be the most forwarded newsletter on the internet!) and get firsthand news about what's happening with organic food, farming and policy, please subscribe here:
    https://www.realorganicproject.org/email/


    Peter Whoriskey: Uncovering Fraud in Organic Meat, Milk, Eggs, + Grain Jun 17, 2021
    Show notes

    #006: In 2017 the Washington Post published a series of articles about fraud under the USDA organic label, breaking the stories of milk, meat, and eggs coming from massive animal confinement operations (not allowed under the organic standards) and grain arriving from overseas with doctored documents. Investigative journalist Peter Whoriskey gives us the story behind the story and shares his views on the current path of organic under heavy corporate influence over the USDA.
    Peter Whoriskey is an award-winning investigative journalist and staff writer at the Washington Post.
    To watch a video version of this podcast with access to the full transcript and links relevant to our conversation, please visit:
    https://www.realorganicproject.org/peter-whoriskey-uncovering-fraud-in-organic-meat-milk-eggs-grain-episode-six
    The Real Organic Podcast is hosted by Dave Chapman and Linley Dixon, engineered by Brandon StCyr, and edited and produced by Jenny Prince.
    The Real Organic Project is a farmer-led movement working towards certifying 1,000 farms across the United States this year. Our add-on food label distinguishes soil-grown fruits and vegetables from hydroponically-raised produce, and pasture-raised meat, milk, and eggs from products harvested from animals in horrific confinement (CAFOs - confined animal feeding operations).
    To find a Real Organic farm near you, please visit:
    https://www.realorganicproject.org/farms
    We believe that the organic standards, with their focus on soil health, biodiversity, and animal welfare were written as they should be, but that the current lack of enforcement of those standards is jeopardizing the ability for small farms who adhere to the law to stay in business. The lack of enforcement is also jeopardizing the overall health of the customers who support the organic movement; customers who are not getting what they pay for at market but still paying a premium price. And the lack of enforcement is jeopardizing the very cycles (water, air, nutrients) that Earth relies upon to provide us all with a place to live, by pushing extractive, chemical agriculture to the forefront.
    If you like what you hear and are feeling inspired, we would love for you to join our movement by becoming one of our 1,000 Real Fans!
    https://www.realorganicproject.org/1000-real-fans/
    To read our weekly newsletter (which might just be the most forwarded newsletter on the internet!) and get firsthand news about what's happening with organic food, farming and policy, please subscribe here:
    https://www.realorganicproject.org/email/


    Al Gore: Climate, Agriculture, + Human Migration Jun 17, 2021
    Show notes

    #005: Former Vice President Al Gore discusses his decision to get Real Organic certification for the farm he grew up on, Caney Fork Farms in Tennessee. He also shares how he sees agriculture as a path towards pacifying global issues like Climate Change and immigration, and how he sees organic farmers as important leaders in these movements.
    To watch a video version of this podcast with access to the full transcript and links relevant to our conversation, please visit:
    https://www.realorganicproject.org/al-gore-climate-agriculture-and-human-migration-episode-five
    The Real Organic Podcast is hosted by Dave Chapman and Linley Dixon, engineered by Brandon StCyr, and edited and produced by Jenny Prince.
    The Real Organic Project is a farmer-led movement working towards certifying 1,000 farms across the United States this year. Our add-on food label distinguishes soil-grown fruits and vegetables from hydroponically-raised produce, and pasture-raised meat, milk, and eggs from products harvested from animals in horrific confinement (CAFOs - confined animal feeding operations).
    To find a Real Organic farm near you, please visit:
    https://www.realorganicproject.org/farms
    We believe that the organic standards, with their focus on soil health, biodiversity, and animal welfare were written as they should be, but that the current lack of enforcement of those standards is jeopardizing the ability for small farms who adhere to the law to stay in business. The lack of enforcement is also jeopardizing the overall health of the customers who support the organic movement; customers who are not getting what they pay for at market but still paying a premium price. And the lack of enforcement is jeopardizing the very cycles (water, air, nutrients) that Earth relies upon to provide us all with a place to live, by pushing extractive, chemical agriculture to the forefront.
    If you like what you hear and are feeling inspired, we would love for you to join our movement by becoming one of our 1,000 Real Fans!
    https://www.realorganicproject.org/1000-real-fans/
    To read our weekly newsletter (which might just be the most forwarded newsletter on the internet!) and get firsthand news about what's happening with organic food, farming and policy, please subscribe here:
    https://www.realorganicproject.org/email/


    Leah Penniman: Revolution Based on Land Jun 17, 2021
    Show notes

    #004: Activist, organizer, farmer and educator Leah Penniman shares the history of food apartheid and land grabbing in the United States and discusses how the same practices are in play across the globe today, endangering the very existence of all species.
    Leah Penniman is a longtime food sovereignty organizer and the author of Farming While Black: Soul Fire Farm’s Practical Guide to Decolonizing Land, Food, and Agriculture. She is the Co-Founder, Co-Director and Programs Manager at Soul Fire Farm in upstate New York and is the recipient of a James Beard Leadership Award, a Fulbright Distinguished Award in Teaching, and was a NY finalist for the Presidential Award of Excellence in Teaching. Leah serves on the Real Organic Project Advisory Board.
    To watch a video version of this podcast with access to the full transcript and links relevant to our conversation, please visit:
    https://www.realorganicproject.org/leah-penniman-revolution-based-on-land-episode-four

    The Real Organic Podcast is hosted by Dave Chapman and Linley Dixon, engineered by Brandon StCyr, and edited and produced by Jenny Prince.
    The Real Organic Project is a farmer-led movement working towards certifying 1,000 farms across the United States this year. Our add-on food label distinguishes soil-grown fruits and vegetables from hydroponically-raised produce, and pasture-raised meat, milk, and eggs from products harvested from animals in horrific confinement (CAFOs - confined animal feeding operations).
    To find a Real Organic farm near you, please visit:
    https://www.realorganicproject.org/farms
    We believe that the organic standards, with their focus on soil health, biodiversity, and animal welfare were written as they should be, but that the current lack of enforcement of those standards is jeopardizing the ability for small farms who adhere to the law to stay in business. The lack of enforcement is also jeopardizing the overall health of the customers who support the organic movement; customers who are not getting what they pay for at market but still paying a premium price. And the lack of enforcement is jeopardizing the very cycles (water, air, nutrients) that Earth relies upon to provide us all with a place to live, by pushing extractive, chemical agriculture to the forefront.
    If you like what you hear and are feeling inspired, we would love for you to join our movement by becoming one of our 1,000 Real Fans!
    https://www.realorganicproject.org/1000-real-fans/
    To read our weekly newsletter (which might just be the most forwarded newsletter on the internet!) and get firsthand news about what's happening with organic food, farming and policy, please subscribe here:
    https://www.realorganicproject.org/email/


    Paul Hawken: Extractive Capitalism’s Toll on Food, Farming + Life Jun 17, 2021
    Show notes

    #002: Climate solutions author, environmental activist, and longtime natural foods icon Paul Hawken dives into the related subjects of nutrition, global migration, and extractive capitalism and identifies the options that lie ahead.
    Paul Hawken is the author of several books, including Drawdown: The Most Comprehensive Plan Ever Proposed To Reverse Global Warming and the founder of a handful of companies and organizations, including Smith and Hawken, The Natural Capital Institute and Project Drawdown. He is the recipient of six honorary doctorates. His next book is titled Regeneration and is due out in 2021. Paul serves on the Real Organic Advisory Board.
    To watch a video version of this podcast with access to the full transcript and links relevant to our conversation, please visit:
    https://www.realorganicproject.org/paul-hawken-extractive-capitalisms-toll-on-food-farming-life-episode-two
    The Real Organic Podcast is hosted by Dave Chapman and Linley Dixon, engineered by Brandon StCyr, and edited and produced by Jenny Prince.
    The Real Organic Project is a farmer-led movement working towards certifying 1,000 farms across the United States this year. Our add-on food label distinguishes soil-grown fruits and vegetables from hydroponically-raised produce, and pasture-raised meat, milk, and eggs from products harvested from animals in horrific confinement (CAFOs - confined animal feeding operations).
    To find a Real Organic farm near you, please visit:
    https://www.realorganicproject.org/farms
    We believe that the organic standards, with their focus on soil health, biodiversity, and animal welfare were written as they should be, but that the current lack of enforcement of those standards is jeopardizing the ability for small farms who adhere to the law to stay in business. The lack of enforcement is also jeopardizing the overall health of the customers who support the organic movement; customers who are not getting what they pay for at market but still paying a premium price. And the lack of enforcement is jeopardizing the very cycles (water, air, nutrients) that Earth relies upon to provide us all with a place to live, by pushing extractive, chemical agriculture to the forefront.
    If you like what you hear and are feeling inspired, we would love for you to join our movement by becoming one of our 1,000 Real Fans!
    https://www.realorganicproject.org/1000-real-fans/
    To read our weekly newsletter (which might just be the most forwarded newsletter on the internet!) and get firsthand news about what's happening with organic food, farming and policy, please subscribe here:
    https://www.realorganicproject.org/email/


    All About Real Organic Project + The Real Organic Podcast Jun 16, 2021
    Show notes

    #001: Welcome to our first episode, where we'll introduce you to the Real Organic movement and its many supporters before letting you know more about our guests and what you can expect to hear about in 2021.
    We have interviewed an amazing roster of folks - including former Vice President Al Gore; seed protector and activist Dr. Vandana Shiva; climate authors Paul Hawken and Bill McKibben; farmers, authors, and educators Leah Penniman, JM Fortier, and Eliot Coleman; local food chefs Alice Waters and Dan Barber - and all of them have something insightful to say about the mounting takeover of the USDA organic label by corporations . Corporations who want to borrow our ideals for marketing purposes yet refuse to produce real organic food that follows the organic standards.
    To watch a video version of this podcast (this episode in particular has great footage!) with access to the full transcript and links relevant to our conversation, please visit:
    https://www.realorganicproject.org/welcome-to-the-real-organic-podcast-episode-one/

    The Real Organic Podcast is hosted by Dave Chapman and Linley Dixon, engineered by Brandon StCyr, and edited and produced by Jenny Prince.
    The Real Organic Project is a farmer-led movement working towards certifying 1,000 farms across the United States this year. Our add-on food label distinguishes soil-grown fruits and vegetables from hydroponically-raised produce, and pasture-raised meat, milk, and eggs from products harvested from animals in horrific confinement (CAFOs - confined animal feeding operations).
    To find a Real Organic farm near you, please visit:
    https://www.realorganicproject.org/farms
    We believe that the organic standards, with their focus on soil health, biodiversity, and animal welfare were written as they should be, but that the current lack of enforcement of those standards is jeopardizing the ability for small farms who adhere to the law to stay in business. The lack of enforcement is also jeopardizing the overall health of the customers who support the organic movement; customers who are not getting what they pay for at market but still paying a premium price. And the lack of enforcement is jeopardizing the very cycles (water, air, nutrients) that Earth relies upon to provide us all with a place to live, by pushing extractive, chemical agriculture to the forefront.
    If you like what you hear and are feeling inspired, we would love for you to join our movement by becoming one of our 1,000 Real Fans!
    https://www.realorganicproject.org/1000-real-fans/
    To read our weekly newsletter (which might just be the most forwarded newsletter on the internet!) and get firsthand news about what's happening with organic food, farming and policy, please subscribe here:
    https://www.realorganicproject.org/email/


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