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    PRETEND

    PRETEND is an investigative true crime podcast about real people who lie for a living — con artists, scammers, and the victims caught in their web.

    Hosted by journalist Javier Leiva, PRETEND exposes the human psychology behind deception and fraud. Each episode follows a real case of manipulation — from financial scams and Ponzi schemes to digital hoaxes and emotional cons

    PRETEND explains how and why deception works without shaming victims, combining ethical journalism with cinematic storytelling.

    Featured in lists of the best podcasts about con artists and scams, PRETEND investigates crimes of persuasion, trust, and betrayal. New episodes drop regularly with stories that reveal how manipulation shapes modern life, both online and off.

    PRETEND is produced by Creative Babble, LLC.

    © 2026 Creative Babble LLC

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    S605: The Inheritance Oct 02, 2020
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    A man says his best friend scammed him out of almost $100,000. Now, he's getting revenge.


    Jonathan Walton fell for the oldest trick in the book. He said, “It wasn't some Nigerian Prince emailing me in my spam folder. It was a living, breathing, lovable woman.” That lovable woman’s name is Mair Smyth. She’s also known as Marianne Smyth, or Marianne Andle, or Marianne Welch. She has 23 known aliases.

    The way Johnathan Walton describes her, Marianne Smyth is a gifted con artist who brilliantly juggles lies with ease. Each lie gracefully circles in the air, passing through her hands, without ever getting caught. But when she decided to rip off Johnathan Walton, she picked the wrong mark.

    You can learn more about this story by visiting https://johnathanwalton.com/


    Bonus episode

    Historical Cons - The man who sold the Brooklyn Bridge


    Patreon exclusive episode

    This is the first in a series of new Patreon only episodes. The series will focus on historical con artists. Today's episode is about the man who sold the Brooklyn Bridge.

    This week, I'm joined by Rebekah Sebastian with the Die-alogue podcast and the Yellowtape true crime trivia show.

    Listen here:

    https://www.patreon.com/posts/42197195


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    S604: How to disappear part 4 Sep 18, 2020
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    Confessions of a former identity thief

    Dartanyon A. Williams stole his parents' identities at the age of 15. Unfortunately, they weren’t his last victims. Dartanyon, who also goes by DAW, claims he has stolen thousands of identities. So many that he lost count.

    How to steal someone’s identity

    How did he do it? He had many tactics. But the most proven technique was paying off employees at restaurants, car dealerships, and tax preparation companies. These employees served as double agents. When no one was looking, they would collect customer social security numbers and smuggle them to DAW. Today, DAW’s life of crime is behind him. He’s currently running for congress this November for the U.S. House to represent Louisiana's 6th Congressional District.

    How to protect your identity

    These days, it’s just as easy to steal your identity from a breached database. Everything an identity thief needs to steal your identity is already online. What can you do to protect yourself?

    Click here to see if your email has been involved in a breached database:

    https://haveibeenpwned.com/

    Freezing your credit and setting up a fraud alert

    I’ve taken the extreme step of freezing my credit. It’s actually not really that extreme. In fact, it’s quite easy. In this episode, you’ll hear how simple it is to lock down your credit so that no one can assume your identity.

    Michael Bazzell, a privacy consultant, walks me through the credit freeze process. For more details, download his step-by-step guide.

    Essentially, get a free credit report from one of the credit bureaus, then ask them to freeze your credit. This way, no one can open a line of credit under your name. If you ever need to unfreeze your credit, it’s easy. Just unfreeze your credit by going online or with a quick phone call.

    Equifax

    Online: https://www.equifax.com/personal/credit-report-services/credit-freeze/

    Experian

    Online: https://www.experian.com/freeze/center.html

    TransUnion

    Online: https://service.transunion.com/dss/orderStep1_form.page


    Michael Bazzell

    To learn more about Michael Bazzell, check out his website IntelTechniques.com and listen to his podcast The Privacy, Security, & OSINT show.

    I also recommend you buy a copy of Extreme Privacy: What it takes to disappear.


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    S603: How to disappear part 3 Sep 04, 2020
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    In the last two episodes, you heard from Michael Bazzell a privacy expert whose job is to make people disappear. But who is he? Why is he so passionate about privacy? And how exactly does he make people disappear? I'm going to do my best to figure him out.


    It turns out Michael Bazzell eats his own dog food. He's pretty much an invisible man. I have no idea where he lives or what he looks like. I've spent hours talking to Michael these past few months hoping that he will slip up and let out some detail about his private life. Nope. This guy is locked down and takes his privacy seriously.


    If you want to disappear, here is a checklist of things you’ll need to get started:


    First, you’ll need a copy of Michael Bazzell’s book titled Extreme Privacy: What it takes to disappear.



    A secure VPN to protect your location. Michael Bazzell says that a VPN is probably the single most important item on this list.


    A Faraday bag for your smartphone like this one.



    For more resources, make sure to visit inteltechniques.com. And make sure to check out Michael Bazzell’s podcast The Privacy, Security, & OSINT Show.



    It's time to reevaluate your digital privacy. Everything you need to know in order to live off the digital grid.


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    S602: How to disappear part 2 Aug 21, 2020
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    In the last episode, we talked about the wrong way to disappear. Faking your own death rarely works. But did you know that there are real people out there who legitimately need to fade away into society?

    Who needs to disappear?

    There are many reasons to live anonymously. However, we’ve broken it down to four different archetypes: the executive, the celebrity, the victim, and the government employee.


    The executive

    CEOs and business executives are easy targets. They take all the credit when things go right. But they’re also responsible any time something goes wrong. And when that happens they have to minimize the threat. It could be a disgruntled employee, or they'be a target because of their wealth. Recently, a Silicon Valley CEO was kidnapped and murdered by two former employees. Hear tactics executives use to live privately.

    The celebrity

    Today’s celebrities are more accessible than ever. Stars like Taylor Swift, Eminem, and UFC fighter Anthony Smith have had their homes broken into. Alison Sweeney, from Days of our Lives and the Biggest Loser, talks about balancing the limelight with basic privacy rights.

    The victim

    Often times, domestic violence victims need to disappear in order to survive. Hear the story on how one victim fled her attacker.

    The government employee

    Judges and prosecutors are often targets of intimidation and death threats. And police are targets too due to the heightened attention on police brutality and racial profiling. Learn how government employees eliminate the threat by making themselves impossible to find.


    This series is a collaboration with Michael Bazzell. In the next few episodes, we’re going to show you to successfully vanish from society. You too can live undetected. It’s not just for wealthy CEOs.


    For more than 20 years, Michael Bazzell worked on behalf of the US government investigating computer crimes. He was also a consultant on the hacker show Mr. Robot. He no longer works for the government. These days, Michael Bazzell helps people disappear.


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    Get Michael Bazzell's book:

    Extreme Privacy: What it takes to disappear


    Affiliate link disclaimer.


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    S601: How to disappear part 1 Aug 07, 2020
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    Did Olivia Newton-John’s Former Boyfriend Fake His Own Death?Faking your own death is almost always a bad idea. Hear the story of Patrick McDermott, Olivia Newton John’s boyfriend, who many believe staged his own death.

    The wrong way to disappear

    People have been playing dead since the beginning of time. There’s really no way of knowing for how long this has been going on. But I can imagine that the illusion of dying is closely correlated with the concept of debt. If you owe someone lots of money, you have two options: either pay it or run away.

    Patrick McDermott, Olivia Newton-John’s missing boyfriend, had every reason to run away. His film work had dried up and he owed his ex-wife thousands of dollars in back child support.

    It took 10 days for anyone to realize he was missing. Olivia Newton-John wasn’t looking for him because they had just recently broken up. It wasn’t until he didn’t show up to pick up his son that his ex-wife noticed something was wrong. But people can’t just run away without leaving behind clues.

    Patrick McDermott was last seen after going on an overnight fishing trip. Was McDermott lost at sea or was he just on the run? The truth is, no one wanted to find out. His ex-wife filed a claim on his life insurance. And Olivia Newton John wanted the whole thing put behind her.

    When the manager of the marina was asked about McDermott’s whereabouts, he said that Patrick McDermott’s name was indeed on the ship’s manifesto. And there was something else. He left behind his tackle box. Inside, they found his wallet, driver’s license, and car keys.

    Why would anyone want to fake their own death?

    I haven’t seen any real study on this topic but I can imagine that there are many reasons why someone would want to leave their own life behind and start fresh. It could be forbidden love like in Romeo and Juliet. Or it can be greed—like someone trying to cash in on their own life insurance policy. When it comes to dying, people have many different motivations.

    How to disappear with Michael Bazzell

    This series is a collaboration with Michael Bazzell, a privacy consultant and host of The PRIVACY, SECURITY, & OSINT Show. We’re going to show you the wrong way and the right way to disappear.

    Buy the book: Extreme Privacy: What it takes to disappear by Michael Bazzell:

    https://amzn.to/2XFm4of

    A special thanks to Philip Klein. If you want to read more about Patrick McDermott’s disappearance, check out the book “Lost at Sea: The hunt for Patrick McDermott.”

    Buy the book: Lost at Sea

    https://amzn.to/3ihMjcf


    Affiliate link disclaimer.


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    S512: COVID-19 Scams: The Rattlesnake King Jun 16, 2020
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    The COVID-19 pandemic is a conman’s Super Bowl. In times like these, when there's so much uncertainty, snake oil salesmen are ready to promise you a cure.


    In this episode, you'll hear from a woman who takes one of these miracle drugs. I ask her why she takes it.


    Special thanks to:

    Joe Terrell with Instrument of Mercy https://instrumentofmercy.com/

    A Concerned Citizen and host of Swindled


    Sources:

    https://www.who.int/csr/don/2011_11_24/en/

    https://wayback.archive-it.org/7993/20170722143956/https:/www.fda.gov/Food/RecallsOutbreaksEmergencies/SafetyAlertsAdvisories/ucm184087.htm

    https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/04/what-can-coronavirus-tell-us-about-conspiracy-theories/610894/

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/248837/church-membership-down-sharply-past-two-decades.aspx

    https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2020/may/holy-spirit-empowered-christian-global-pentecostal-study.html


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    S511: COVID-19 Scams: How to Steal a Stimulus Check May 26, 2020
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    COVID-19 Scams

    I wasn’t expecting to be back with a new PRETEND episode so soon. In fact, I’m still wrapping up the final episodes for my new show called CRIMINAL CONDUCT. But the world around us has changed. And scammers are on the prowl.

    If you live in the US, chances are you probably received your stimulus payment. It went either straight into your bank account through direct deposit. Or some of you may have cashed the check that you received in the mail.

    We’re talking about much-needed money for tens of millions of Americans out of work due to the Coronavirus. $1,200 for individuals and $3,400 for a family of four.

    The IRS has sent out 150 million payments so far since the time of this recording… but more payments are still expected to still arrive through the end of June.

    And if you haven’t received your check, you’re probably wondering what’s the hold-up? Unfortunately for some, your money is probably gone and in the hands of thieves.

    Today, I’m going to show you exactly how easy it is for scammers to steal your money. In fact, I’ve challenged a privacy expert to try and hack into my private information. I was really shocked at what he was able to find.

    Resources:


    Password managers

    1Password.com (User-friendly and secure)

    Bitwarden (More secure cloud-based password manager)

    KeePassXC (More secure computer-based password manager)


    Search to see if you’re password is exposed in a breached database

    https://haveibeenpwned.com/


    Credit freezes

    Credit Freeze Tutorial (Full Workbook)

    Annual Credit Report (Free credit report to detect fraud)

    Enable 2-factor authentication on all platforms that support it https://twofactorauth.org/


    Online removal workbook

    https://inteltechniques.com/data/workbook.pdf


    Additional resources

    Michael Bazzell’s website Intel Techniques

    Eva Velasquez Identity Theft Resource Center


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    Inside Criminal Conduct Mar 16, 2020
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    //Criminal Conduct debuts on March 23rd.//


    Get an inside look into the making of the new podcast. Thank you to Jerri Williams from FBI Retired Case File Review for helping us with this bonus episode.


    You can listen to the episode one now on Patreon.

    https://www.patreon.com/posts/34832524


    Subscribe to Criminal Conduct now so you won't miss an episode.

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    BIG ANNOUNCEMENT: Criminal Conduct Feb 03, 2020
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    On September 2nd, 2010, 24 year-old Michelle O’Connell broke up with her boyfriend, St. Johns County Sheriff’s Deputy, Jeremy Banks. Minutes later, she was dead.

    The St. Johns Sheriff’s Office quickly ruled the case a suicide, without examining crucial forensic evidence or interviewing any key witnesses. A medical examiner ruled her death a homicide, yet other investigations failed to gain traction.

    Her boyfriend, Deputy Jeremy Banks was never charged and is still working as a St. Johns County Sheriff’s Deputy.

    Years later, an amateur sleuth named Eli Washtock winds up murdered after investigating Michelle O’Connell’s death. What did he find out?

    ‘Criminal Conduct’ is an investigative true crime podcast series hosted by John Taylor and Javier Leiva. The hosts retrace the footsteps of Eli Washtock, the slain sleuth; picking up the investigation where he left off.

    ‘Criminal Conduct’ will be released in the spring of 2020. Subscribe now on all podcast platforms.

    criminalconduct.net


    Apple Podcast

    https://apple.co/2S4KaoG

    Google Play

    http://bit.ly/CriminalConGoogle

    Stitcher

    http://bit.ly/CriminalConStitcher

    Spotify

    https://spoti.fi/2S0

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    S510: The Joe Schmo Show Jan 14, 2020
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    The Joe Schmo Show is a real-life Truman Show—where everyone is an actor except one unsuspecting guy. It’s a reality show within a reality show.

    The series everyone watched on SPIKE TV was called The Joe Schmo show. But the show Matt Kennedy Gould thought he was participating in was called The Lap of Luxury—a Big Brother style television show. He had no idea that the people he was living with were all actors.


    The series was created by Paul Wernick and Rhett Reese (Deadpool). It was hosted by Ralph Garman and written and produced by J. Holland Moore. Season one starred a young Kristen Wiig who played a quack psychiatrist. I must warn you. This show did not age well. It would not survive in today’s #metoo movement. Despite what it lacks in sensitivity, it makes up for in its ingenuity and heart.


    In this episode, Melissa with Moms and Murder and I talk with Chase Rogan, season three’s Joe Schmo, to find out what it’s like to be the star of television’s biggest hoax.


    Credits

    Today’s episode was written and produced by me and Melissa.

    Original music was provided by thechicken.net

    Additional music by Blue dot sessions

    All clips in this podcast were used in compliance with the US copyright act for fair use exemption, for criticism and commentary


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