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    Play It Like It’s Music

    Purists may whine that the best days of music are behind us, that capital “M” music has seen its peak and is no longer relevant. But here at Play It Like It’s Music we believe the opposite: not only is the act of musicmaking an essential life skill with a lineage stretching back to the beginnings of human history, but the vocation of the professional musician is more vital today than it ever has been. Once a month, join musician, songwriter and producer Trevor Exter as he drops in on working musicians from every genre.

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    "I love the feeling of it" Jul 22, 2020
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    049: Adam Levy

    Good morning! This is Play It Like It’s Music, I’m Trevor. Thanks for listening.

    On Wednesday, July 22 of 2020 music is not content, it’s connection.

    If you like this show, please tell a friend!

    We have a great one for you today with world-renowned guitarist and songwriter Adam Levy.

    [photo by B.E. Bixby]

    I’ve always admired Adam’s work. His vibe, his bandleading style and his playing all convey a core enjoyment and honesty in the craft. It’s hard to pin down, there’s just real joy and respect and soul and knowledge… all visible and audible and wrapped into a cohesive American style. I find great comfort and inspiration in the man’s music.

    Levy was born in Encino, California. His grandfather worked for The Andy Williams Show and The Flip Wilson Show as music director. He played in bands growing up, then moved to San Francisco in 1990. He played with Tracy Chapman for a little while (that’s his guitar you can hear on Gimme One Reason). But he also spent quite a while moving between SF and New York, infiltrating the legendary downtown scene and playing with Joey Baron, Steve Cardenas, Tony Scherr… all up in it with those cats.

    And then he met Norah Jones.

    [photo by Todd Chalfant]

    Adam became a member of her band at the beginning of her career and stayed on through that first set of bestselling albums. You could say he’s best known for that gig, but he has also played with Rosanne Cash, Amos Lee, and Lisa Loeb and continues to put out lots of his own great work. His trio is called the Mint Imperials.

    This conversation gets around, we touch on the origins, the journeys and his current output. What does it take to keep it together in this very delicate life we’ve chosen? Adam is someone with a lot of wisdom to shed on these eternal questions, and we can all call ourselves lucky to be sharing some time with him today.

    Press PLAY above to hear my conversation with Adam Levy

    [photo by B.E. Bixby]

    Thanks for listening to Play It Like It’s Music. Thanks so much to Adam Levy for spending some very generous time with us. You can find him at Adam Levy Dot Com and learn from him at Guitar Tips Pro dot com. He used to have social media accounts, but chose to shut em all down recently. I admire that. More people should do that. I should do that.

    If you like this show, please tell a friend:

    Follow me on twitter @trevorexter and talk to me on there if you have thoughts about the show.

    We're all contending with a mutating professional landscape, jacked revenue streams, a catastrophic global pandemic and plenty of other noise out in the culture.

    But you gotta keep playing.

    We don't draw any lines here between scenes or styles.

    As always, thank you for listening and remember to play it like its music.

    You can check out my music on bandcamp and other places. It’s all at my website, trevorexter.com. Sign the mailing list on substack to get this show sent right to you the very moment it comes out. Consider hiring me to score your piece, do some cello, teach you lessons, produce your show or back you up onstage.

    Music is a beautiful thing and it makes the world go round.

    Big love to your ears.

    Trevor

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    "I don't remember ever being without it" Jul 15, 2020
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    048: Liz Knowles

    Good morning! This is Play It Like It’s Music, I’m Trevor. Thanks for listening.

    On Wednesday, July 15th of 2020 music is not content. It’s connection.

    We are nearing 50 episodes of my precious little show, and I’ve got some great interviews in the can here moving forward. Thank you all for staying with us during this monumental crisis, I’m committed to continuing to show up for you when you need a little bit of that musical fellowship to get you through.

    Me? I’ve been getting deeper and deeper into sound design, playing through my cello suite and getting ready for an album production. Still writing it but we are gathering resources for the big push to track and publish my first album in about 6 years. It’s been quite the hiatus but it’s also time.

    Today on the show, an amazing fiddler: Liz Knowles. Who will knock you flat!

    [photo by Marianne Mangan]

    Liz Knowles has brought her distinctive sound—the fire and finesse of Irish fiddle music combined with the tonal richness of the classical violin—to concert stages and festivals across the world. She first distinguished herself as a classical violinist, performing at Carnegie Hall, the Kennedy Center and on Broadway, then she stepped out with Marcus Roberts, the Bang-on-a-Can Orchestra, Bobby McFerrin, Paula Cole, Steve Reich, and Don Henley among others.

    Bu it was in New York that she discovered her true passion for Irish music. Soon she was working in Riverdance and as soloist on the soundtrack for the film ‘Michael Collins’ and it was onward and upward from there. She’s a global force.

    [photo by Earl Richardson]

    Her trio Open the Door for Three with Kieran O'Hare and Pat Broaders was touring widely (before COVID). After spending nearly four years traveling together overseas, this trio is a well-oiled machine of crafted arrangements and powerful music, gracing the stages of many irish festivals and concert series across the country.

    We’ve known each other for over 20 years, so this one rolls along. Enjoy my conversation with Liz Knowles, a great musical mind:

    Press PLAY above to hear my conversation with Liz Knowles

    [photo by Earl Richardson]

    Thanks for listening to Play It Like It’s Music. Thanks so much to Liz Knowles for spending some very generous time with us. You can find her at Liz Knowles dot com and follow her on IG @lizknowlesmusic.

    If you like this show, please tell a friend:

    Follow me on twitter @trevorexter and talk to me on there if you have thoughts about the show.

    We're all contending with a mutating professional landscape, jacked revenue streams, a catastrophic global pandemic and plenty of other noise out in the culture.

    But you gotta keep playing.

    We don't draw any lines here between scenes or styles.

    As always, thank you for listening and remember to play it like its music.

    You can check out my music on bandcamp and other places. It’s all at my website, trevorexter.com. Sign the mailing list on substack to get this show sent right to you the very moment it comes out. Consider hiring me to score your piece, do some cello, teach you lessons, produce your show or back you up onstage.

    Music is a beautiful thing and it makes the world go round.

    Big love to your ears.

    Trevor

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    "It makes me feel the most like myself" Jul 08, 2020
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    047: Josh Flowers

    Good morning! This is Play It Like It’s Music. I’m Trevor, thanks for listening.

    On Wednesday, July 8 of 2020 music is not content. It’s connection.

    Opening thread (click through for my elaboration):

    And now the main event.

    My humble show continues on virtually as we continually adjust to the wonders of Coronaworld.

    I’m checked in with my friends who are mourning new losses, folks who are navigating the disease itself, family who are raising tiny children with none of the resources they need and artists who are trying to tread water financially with hands tied and no gigs on the horizon. As ever, music - either the practice or the consumption of it - is getting people through their days in ways so basic that it defies acknowledgement. Let alone proper remuneration.

    Me? I’m composing some instrumentals for the album. Of course you’ll get to hear them soon, but today I’m saving for a very delicious chat with a great writer and friend, Josh Flowers.

    I went on a tour a couple of years ago which changed my life, but I can’t exactly describe how.

    Like any road run it had its share of ups and downs. I had to contend with personal tragedy about halfway through when my cello was destroyed by baggage handlers on the way to LAX, but the gigs themselves we did were of the revelatory sort. As was the company we managed to keep.

    The artist in this case was named Roo Panes, and I’m sure I’ll be inviting him on for an episode soon. But the band and crew, small as our group was, bonded in that singular way which imprints the memory of our brief travels together as a small slice of eternity in our shared memory. If you’ve ever lived on the road, you’ll know it can go either way. In this case, the way was good.

    But reminiscing about fun times in a van doesn’t necessarily merit an episode of this show. As it turns out, Josh is a first-class songwriter. The kind who, after zapping you with a cheery first impression proceeds to reveal more layers with each listen. You’re about to spend some time with a beautifully cultivated, soft-spoken craftsman who I’m very lucky to call a friend.

    Come for the tunes, stay for the gems. Guys and gals, Josh Flowers:

    Press PLAY above to hear my conversation with Josh Flowers.

    Oh, and also watch this video. Released today, filmed in my old apartment on 23rd St in the beforetimes.

    Thanks for listening to Play It Like It’s Music. Thanks so much to Josh Flowers for spending some very generous time with us. You can find him and follow him on IG @imjoshflowers and also @echobabyband for the project with Juliana Zachariou.

    If you like this show, please tell a friend:

    Follow me on social media @trevorexter and talk to me on there if you have thoughts about the show.

    We're all contending with a mutating professional landscape, jacked revenue streams, a catastrophic global pandemic and plenty of other noise out in the culture.

    But you gotta keep playing.

    We don't draw any lines here between scenes or styles.

    As always, thank you for listening and remember to play it like its music.

    You can check out my music on bandcamp and other places. It’s all at my website, trevorexter.com. Sign the mailing list on substack to get this show sent right to you the very moment it comes out. Consider hiring me to score your piece, do some cello, teach you lessons, produce your show or back you up onstage.

    Music is a beautiful thing and it makes the world go round.

    Big love to your ears.

    Trevor

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    "It's the same as breathing oxygen." Jul 01, 2020
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    046: Blake Morgan

    Good morning! This is Play It Like It's Music, I'm Trevor. Thanks for listening.

    On Wednesday, July 1st of 2020 music is not content, it's connection.

    I did it, folks. I sold my drum machine.

    My beloved MPC 1000 went off to a lucky buyer in Texas this week and I now have much more breathing room around here in the studio, both architecturally and musically.

    I don't know, something about having one of those things around made me feel so much pressure, it's like a hyper click track. Some people need their music to feel super clocked in, I get that. There's also the magic of sampling and chopping, but I'm not one of the people who work that way. There are some real geniuses out there doing the beatmaking thing, but am I going to compete with that? Hell no. I had my fun with it, now it's someone else's turn.

    Over here it's back to making my cello music.

    Which is going great! Thanks for asking. The album is coming along nicely, and the thing that usually happens around this time in the process for me (when it's mostly all written but I still haven't recorded one single note) is happening again too. Basically, I start hearing three, four albums ahead in the future. My brain starts tempting me with future projects that haven't even been conceived yet. It can be a distraction but mostly it's a motivator. That little voice saying, "PSST... keep going, and you'll get to do these other things!"

    [photo credit: Taylor Ballantyne]

    So glad to have music in my life.

    Glad to have you listening to this show, incredibly lucky to be living in a time where I can just make something like this and bring it to you each week. Our conversation with today's guest is going to touch on some things that I find incredibly painful to talk about, yet unavoidable. It's the money thing, and Blake Morgan is a powerful voice of reason in a way that gives me hope that even if things don't look like they'll be changing any time soon, at least I'm not crazy and/or alone in thinking them.

    Blake is the originator of the #irespectmusic hashtag. He's also a pretty damn good musician, singer and producer. He's a friend, collaborator and has a wild collection of stories to share on the pod today.

    Now let me level with you, I go back and forth on how exactly to proceed in this life project we like to call "music". I can't tell you how many times I've tried to quit it altogether in frustration, but it won't let me go. It's love, that's all there is to it. I've stopped trying to quit now, but there are mean forces out there at every turn trying to make you feel unworthy, or ashamed to even try to make a noise of your own. They come back again and again, but the one which never goes away is the eternal thorn of trying to make a living in music.

    Blake is a lifer, and as an entrepreneurial type he took charge of his career at an early stage by starting his own label. As the owner of his work and that of other artists, he takes his responsibility seriously. To represent and protect the work of those who trust him with their art. And in the early days of streaming, he didn't like what he saw on those royalty statements. He took things into his own hands, and you'll hear him describe how that went down for him.

    [photo credit: PicOwner620 / CC BY-SA (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0)]

    All of us out here owe a major debt of gratitude to Blake Morgan for calling out the new naked Emperor which is the cabal of streaming services, big radio and the major labels which have hijacked our core source of income for barely a pittance. He's a voice of sanity in this uncertain and threatening landscape, and it's time we heard what he has to say. Strap in, let's meet Blake.

    Press PLAY above to hear my conversation with Blake Morgan.

    Thanks for listening to Play It Like It’s Music. Thanks so much to Blake Morgan for spending some very generous time with us. You can find him and follow him on all the socials @TheBlakeMorgan.

    If you like this show, please tell a friend:

    Follow me on social media @trevorexter and talk to me on there if you have thoughts about the show.

    We're all contending with a mutating professional landscape, jacked revenue streams, a catastrophic global pandemic and plenty of other noise out in the culture.

    But you gotta keep playing.

    We don't draw any lines here between scenes or styles.

    As always, thank you for listening and remember to play it like its music.

    You can check out my music on bandcamp and other places. It’s all at my website, trevorexter.com. Sign the mailing list on substack to get this show sent right to you the very moment it comes out. Consider hiring me to score your piece, do some cello, teach you lessons, produce your show or back you up onstage.

    Music is a beautiful thing and it makes the world go round.

    Big love to your ears.

    Trevor

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    * Or to produce your podcast.

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    "There's so much that only music can say" Jun 24, 2020
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    Episode 045: Tasha Blank

    Good morning! This is Play It Like It’s Music. I’m Trevor, thanks for listening.

    On Wednesday, June 24 of 2020 Music is not content. It’s connection.

    Let’s take a break from the cello, shall we. Let’s dance.

    On the show today is one of my favorite DJ’s, Tasha Blank. While we’re all forced to distance from each other while we watch the slow-motion car crash that is our society’s reckoning with itself under quarantine, Tasha’s an expert in cultivating that animal connection between bodies and souls in the context of that much maligned and mysterious of venues: the club.

    The dance club, that is. And yes, her parties have instruments too - in the form of brass bands and live percussion and a variety of other players. Hell, I’ve gigged with her on cello. Musicians look down their noses at DJs, but the real truth is that musicians need to dance more.

    [Photo by Jeffrey Packard]

    Here’s a chat with a real human DJ. She’s not hiding behind some neon logo or dropping taste bombs from the top of a skyscraper. She’s incredibly adept at not only celebrating a full-body musical experience but also creating a real sense of togetherness.

    [Photo by Jeffrey Packard]

    It ain’t lonely at all. Tasha and I get into her upbringing and musical origins, her various transformations and her incredible journey of building this pulsing human mass that is The Get Down.

    Let’s tune in.

    Press PLAY above to hear my conversation with Tasha Blank.

    Thanks for listening to Play It Like It’s Music. Thanks so much to Tasha Blank for spending some very generous time with us. You can find her music at Tasha Blank dot com, get down at The Get Down NYC dot com and follow her on all the socials @tashablank and @thegetdownparty.

    If you like this show, please tell a friend:

    Follow me on social media @trevorexter and talk to me on there if you have thoughts about the show.

    We're all contending with a mutating professional landscape, jacked revenue streams, a catastrophic global pandemic and plenty of other noise out in the culture.

    But you gotta keep playing.

    We don't draw any lines here between scenes or styles.

    As always, thank you for listening and remember to play it like its music.

    You can check out my music on bandcamp and other places. It’s all at my website, trevorexter.com. Sign the mailing list on substack to get this show sent right to you the very moment it comes out. Consider hiring me to score your piece, do some cello, teach you lessons, produce your show or back you up onstage.

    Music is a beautiful thing and it makes the world go round.

    Big love to your ears.

    Trevor

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    "When you put it out, that love is there." Jun 17, 2020
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    044: Cremaine Booker a.k.a. ThatCelloGuy

    Good morning! It’s Play It Like It’s Music, I’m Trevor. Thanks for listening.

    On Wednesday, June 17th music is not content, it’s connection. We are going 3-for-3 this month with the cellists, and I’m super happy about it. We will pivot back to more variety next week, I do have a bunch of great interviews coming your way so stick with it. Meanwhile, today we have a chat with one of my favorite - not only cellists - musicians around today.

    Cremaine Booker, aka That Cello Guy, is a cellist who hails from Dallas, TX. He lives in Nashville and currently serves as principal cello for the Nashville Philharmonic Orchestra and the Jackson Symphony Orchestra. He has played with Black Violin, Hans Zimmer, Michael McDonald, Sheryl Crow, Nelly, Chris Stapleton, Mike Hicks, Chantae Cann, Kelly Clarkson, LeAnn Rhimes and a variety of other acts, but most of his fans know him for his steady output of amazingly well-produced and performed videos that you can find online, totaling many millions of views.

    I find this guy so inspiring, the commitment, the beauty of his sound and the straight up love he brings to the practice. And he takes charge as a producer too, he doesn’t need to outsource the arranging or the recording. He does it all.

    I’ve been wanting to speak with Cremaine for quite some time. Maybe you are also a fan like I am. If not, then you’re about to be. Take a listen:

    Press PLAY above to hear my conversation with Cremaine Booker.

    Thanks for listening to Play It Like It’s Music. Thanks so much to That Cello Guy, Cremaine Booker for spending some very generous time with us. You can find his music at That Cello Guy dot com and follow him on all the socials @ThatCelloGuy15

    If you like this show, please tell a friend:

    Follow me on social media @trevorexter and talk to me on there if you have thoughts about the show.

    We're all contending with a mutating professional landscape, jacked revenue streams, a catastrophic global pandemic and plenty of other noise out in the culture.

    But you gotta keep playing.

    We don't draw any lines here between scenes or styles.

    As always, thank you for listening and remember to play it like its music.

    You can check out my music on bandcamp and other places. It’s all at my website, trevorexter.com. Sign the mailing list on substack to get this show sent right to you the very moment it comes out. Consider hiring me to score your piece, do some cello, teach you lessons, produce your show or back you up onstage.

    Music is a beautiful thing and it makes the world go round.

    Big love to your ears.

    Trevor

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    "There's a tenacity that it takes to do this." Jun 10, 2020
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    043 Marika Hughes

    This is Play It Like It's Music, I'm Trevor. Thanks for listening.

    On Wednesday, June 10 of 2020 music is not content, it's connection.

    To play the cello requires a smattering of cleverness and precision on the part of the player. The finger mechanics are complex, the alchemy of the bow is mystifying. On top of it all, gigs require an incredible fitness of nerves and preparation beyond that of many much more renumerative professions.

    However, mere cleverness and precision do not a complete musician make.

    Many cellists hit all the marks on their instrument but fail to make an artistic impact, and I feel for them because just playing the cello decently takes a huge amount of effort. Why pile on things like visual aesthetics or political awareness, or god forbid writing, verbal and administrative skills?

    Singing? Songwriting? Bandleading? Gimme a break.

    Fortunately, today we have as our guest a musician who brings it on every one of those levels.

    Marika Hughes is a native New Yorker, a cellist, singer, a storyteller on The Moth. She grew up in a musical family – Marika’s grandfather was the great cellist Emanuel Feuermann, and her parents owned a jazz club, Burgundy, on the Upper West Side. As children, she and her younger brother were both regulars on Sesame Street. She went to Barnard College and the Juilliard School, graduating with BAs in political science and cello performance, respectively.

    Marika has worked with Whitney Houston, Lou Reed, Anthony Braxton, David Byrne, Adele, Henry Threadgill, D’Angelo, Idina Menzel, Nels Cline, Somi and Taylor Mac, among many others. She was a founding member of the Bay Area-based bands 2 Foot Yard and Red Pocket. She is a master teacher and director for Young Arts and a teaching-artist at Carnegie Hall’s Lullaby Project. Before COVID she was holding down the cello chair at the Broadway show, Hadestown, and we hope they'll pick it back up.

    Marika puts out a vibe that just won't quit, leading her bands Bottom Heavy and The New String Quartet and as the co-founder and co-director of Looking Glass Arts, an artist residency and youth education program in upstate New York.

    We get into it: her legendary granddad, growing up and finding her own way in the Bay area, her initial band experiences. We're kindred spirits and I know you're going to love this conversation with Marika. Check it out:

    Press PLAY above to hear my conversation with Marika Hughes.

    music selections:

    Chapter 4 - Marika Hughes & Bottom Heavy, New York Nostalgia 2016, ASCAP Hopscotch Dreams *written by Marika

    snippet: Borrowed Arms - 2 Foot Yard (Borrowed Arms 2008, Yard Work ASCAP) *written by 2 Foot Yard

    For Nico - Marika Hughes (The Simplest Thing, 2010, Hopscotch Dreams ASCAP) *written by Marika.Band: Kyle Sanna gtr, Todd Sickafoose bass, Matthias Kunstli drums, Shahzad Ismaily gtr

    Thanks for listening to Play It Like It’s Music. Thanks to Marika Hughes for spending some very generous time with us. You can find her music at Marika Hughes dot com and follow her on all the socials @marikahughes.

    If you like this show, please tell a friend:

    Follow me on social media @trevorexter and talk to me on there if you have thoughts about the show.

    We're all contending with a mutating professional landscape, jacked revenue streams, a catastrophic global pandemic and plenty of other noise out in the culture.

    But you gotta keep playing.

    We don't draw any lines here between scenes or styles.

    As always, thank you for listening and remember to play it like its music.

    You can check out my music on bandcamp and other places. It’s all at my website, trevorexter.com. Sign the mailing list on substack to get this show sent right to you the very moment it comes out. Consider hiring me to score your piece, do some cello, teach you lessons, produce your show or back you up onstage.

    Music is a beautiful thing and it makes the world go round.

    Big love to your ears.

    Trevor

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    If you like this stuff, help it spread by sharing it!

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    * Or to produce your podcast.

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    "It actually makes me feel good." Jun 03, 2020
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    042: Bruce Mack

    Good morning! This is Play It Like It's Music, I'm Trevor, thanks for listening.

    On Wednesday, June 3rd of 2020 music is not content, it's connection. And I've been bothered about everything going on this week, glued to the news just like a lot of you.

    We went out and marched down at the Grove in LA, which was lovely because we left right before before the cops broke it up with tear gas.

    It turns out Beverly Hills doesn't take kindly to marchers. But up until that moment it was a literal walk in the park with a committed group of peaceably assembled people.

    Peaceful isn't the right word to describe something like that. More like it was harmonious, beautiful, honest. Justified criticism of something so obviously wrong like the routine state-sanctioned murder of innocent people shouldn't need to have "peacefulness" imposed on it from outside by anyone, let alone the targets of the criticism...

    But this is a show about music.

    You know, people like to argue about how much music and politics should mix but I personally don't believe there's a legit argument to be had, because if you really understand music then you know that there really is no line between music and life. Music is everywhere and it's a part of every living experience we have, not just when we choose to sing about it. Likewise, there's no line between politics and life. Sometimes you turn the politics on, sometimes it turns on you.

    But don't pretend there's a line there where it stops existing or being relevant. You'd only be blinding yourself. Like where is the line between politics and human rights? Show me where that line is and then I'll believe someone who says a musician can't also be political.

    But let's talk about Black music for a second.

    For my part I don't have anything to say about black music except "thank you". And then make my own musical offering in return. We can see that a musician of any race is always engaged in hot pursuit of the infinite, and most musicians on the whole understand that cooperating with each other across lines helps move the whole endeavor forward.

    But it's not always up to musicians. We know that plenty of people - collaborators and customers alike - line up to take advantage, both of the hard work we do and also of the cultural contributions people bring. Black musicians in particular have historically gotten ripped off by the music industry, even as their compositions, performances, innovations and energy has dominated in public. Follow the money and you'll be shocked at where it doesn't go, especially those of you who believe the hype.

    It's not just that people have a right to be mad, but they have a right to organize to change things. Today on the show I'm lucky to have Bruce Mack who is a board member and former president of the Black Rock Coalition to talk to us about growing up in New York City during the 70's and 80's, and how some of the artists of that time chose to show up to the scene with more than just a song.

    Bruce is a be-bop style vocalist who incorporates vocal improvisation into funk and other forms of music. B-Mack also plays several instruments, including keyboards, electric bass, percussion and drum set. He performs and contributes original music to multiple ensembles, most notably Burnt Sugar, Melvin Van Peebles wid/ Laxative and Nubian Messengers.

    The Black Rock Coalition is well-known to fans of the many bands that make up its membership - a few of which are Living Colour, Meshell Ndegeocello, 24-7 Spyz, Chocolate Genius, Don Byron and Nona Hendryx. An iconic organization that remains vital to this day, the BRC is a collective of artists, writers, producers, publicists, activists and music fans assembled to maximize exposure and provide resources for Black artists who defy convention.

    We've heard from members previously on this show: check out episode 2 with Luqman Brown of Dope Saggitarius and episode 4 with Mazz Swift. Today it's all about native New Yorker, Bruce Mack aka B-Mack (the artist, the band). Settle in and let's listen:

    Press PLAY above to hear my conversation with Bruce Mack.

    Thanks for listening to Play It Like It’s Music. Thanks to Bruce Mack for spending some very generous time with us. You can find his music at b-mack.bandcamp.com and at Reverb Nation, Facebook, IG and Twitter.

    If you like this show, please tell a friend:

    Follow me on social media @trevorexter and talk to me on there if you have thoughts about the show.

    We're all contending with a mutating professional landscape, jacked revenue streams, a catastrophic global pandemic and plenty of other noise out in the culture.

    But you gotta keep playing.

    We don't draw any lines here between scenes or styles.

    As always, thank you for listening and remember to play it like its music.

    You can check out my music on bandcamp and other places. It’s all at my website, trevorexter.com. Sign the mailing list on substack to get this show sent right to you the very moment it comes out. Consider hiring me to score your piece, do some cello, teach you lessons, produce your show or back you up onstage.

    Music is a beautiful thing and it makes the world go round.

    Big love to your ears.

    Trevor

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    "I know I'm not the only person to benefit from it" May 27, 2020
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    Episode 041: Shana Tucker

    This is Play It Like It's Music, I'm Trevor, thanks for listening.

    [photos all by Jannelle Blackman]

    On Wednesday, May 27 of 2020 Music is not content, it's connection. The quarantine wears on, the death toll climbs and the life toll sits in limbo. I am here with another conversation today, and I'm super thankful that those of you players I know who listen to the show keep telling me you get so much out of this. It can be a damn lonely life*, but it doesn't have to be.

    *For cellists, especially!

    But not today, because I'm blessed to have Shana Tucker on the show.

    She's a cellist, singer-songwriter, arts advocate, teaching artist, collaborator and all-around cultural conduit. Shana is a builder-of-connections, whether she’s associating STEM concepts with backbeats or engaging a packed house through candid song-storytelling in performance.

    And she can really play! As a cello/singer guy I can't help but smile: Shana's unique genre of ChamberSoul™ weaves jazz, roots, folk, acoustic pop, and a touch of R&B into melodies that echo in your head for days. Plus, there's polish.

    She keeps busy on the road and in the studio, working with Bennie Maupin, Nicole Mitchell and The Foreign Exchange. She also worked in Cirque du Soleil, which we don't talk about at all. Why would we?

    She's got a band of her own. Shana is also a front-line advocate for arts education, as well as a recipient of several arts council grant awards for her exemplary work as a Performing Artist. She serves on review panels and advisory committees for arts organizations across the country.

    These are all big accomplishments, but what amazes me is how good she is at creating relationship around her work. We all need to get better at this, and I think Shana is a leader. She knows how to be a star and how to blend.

    This was so much fun, let's cut right to it.

    Press PLAY above to hear my conversation with Shana Tucker.

    Thanks for listening to Play It Like It’s Music. Thanks to Shana for spending some very generous time with us. You can find her music at Shana Tucker dot com and on all the socials.

    If you like this show, please tell a friend:

    Follow me on social media @trevorexter and talk to me on there if you have thoughts about the show.

    We're all contending with a mutating professional landscape, jacked revenue streams, a catastrophic global pandemic and plenty of other noise out in the culture.

    But you gotta keep playing.

    We don't draw any lines here between scenes or styles.

    As always, thank you for listening and remember to play it like its music.

    You can check out my music on bandcamp and other places. It’s all at my website, trevorexter.com. Sign the mailing list on substack to get this show sent right to you the very moment it comes out. Consider hiring me to score your piece, do some cello, teach you lessons, produce your show or back you up onstage.

    Music is a beautiful thing and it makes the world go round.

    Big love to your ears.

    Trevor

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    "I make music because I haven't lost hope" May 20, 2020
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    Episode 040: Chris Hierro

    It’s a good day to hear that, IMO

    On Wednesday, March 20 of 2020 music is not content, it’s connection. Welcome to the show. This is Play It Like It’s Music, I’m Trevor. Thanks for listening.

    Break Out The Crazy has been releasing original music since 2016 but is really just getting started. I had the honor of speaking with them at their home studio in Brooklyn. Last week you heard Katya, this week is Chris Hierro. Keyboardist, producer and singer. It’s a treat, he’s a pro through-and-through.

    But first let me tell you:

    I’ve been in this pandemic, going through the solitude and the fear and the anxiety. I have heard from folks dealing directly with the disease and I’ve heard from folks dealing with economic disease. I want to say this again: at the lowest, most vulnerable and scary points of my life I turned to music and it saved me from making my own situation worse.

    It’s not a palliative (though you can use it like that too). When I lived through excruciatingly difficult times like getting run over by a truck, having no home after 2008, carrying a broken heart around et cetera, I always felt a little saner, a little better at breathing and focusing after working on some music. I do music with the same rationale and commitment as a surfer, ball player or rock climber. It’s worth staying connected to in and of itself, there’s no contest and you don’t have to try to be a star.

    You show up for it and it’ll show up for you.

    That’s my story, but Chris’s story today is more about the method and heart. You can hear the commitment, but you can also hear what he’s built in a career where he’s cultivated a reputation for consistency and steady growth. I come to Break Out The Crazy’s music as a fan, a friend and as a listener and I marvel at the conduct of these two stellar partners in music.

    Chris will tell you his own story, but he grew up in Washington Heights the son of a bandleader and producer during an important era of the music business and in touch with the ways it binds people together in art and in commerce. One of the ways I admire Chris is that the art and the commerce are one and the same. We talk about all of this, and much more. Check it out:

    Press PLAY above to hear my conversation with Chris Hierro.

    Thanks for listening to Play It Like It’s Music. Thanks to Chris for spending some very generous time with us. You can find him and Katya’s music at Break Out The Crazy dot com and on all the socials.

    If you like this show, please tell a friend:

    Follow me on social media @trevorexter and talk to me on there if you have thoughts about the show.

    We're all contending with a mutating professional landscape, jacked revenue streams, a catastrophic global pandemic and plenty of other noise out in the culture.

    But you gotta keep playing.

    We don't draw any lines here between scenes or styles.

    As always, thank you for listening and remember to play it like its music.

    You can check out my music on bandcamp and other places. It’s all at my website, trevorexter.com. Sign the mailing list on substack to get this show sent right to you the very moment it comes out. Consider hiring me to score your piece, do some cello, teach you lessons, produce your show or back you up onstage.

    Music is a beautiful thing and it makes the world go round.

    Big love to your ears.

    Trevor

    (Did you press play yet?)

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    * Or to produce your podcast.

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    * More @trevorexter.com

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