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    Play It Like It’s Music

    Purists may whine that the best days of music are behind us, that capital “M” music has seen its peak and is no longer relevant. But here at Play It Like It’s Music we believe the opposite: not only is the act of musicmaking an essential life skill with a lineage stretching back to the beginnings of human history, but the vocation of the professional musician is more vital today than it ever has been. Once a month, join musician, songwriter and producer Trevor Exter as he drops in on working musicians from every genre.

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    "Burn everything except the truth" Mar 04, 2020
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    029: Bisan Toron

    Ever wonder: when a singer probes so deep within that they get lost and unravel, what then? In this case, a completely unique sound is born. Bisan Toron opens up about her global journey, seven years of silence and her vocal creatures.

    [photo by Tony Herbas]

    Good morning! On Wednesday, March 4th of 2020 music is not content, it’s connection.

    *And if you like the show, please tell a friend!

    A little late to press this morning, I had a gig last night in Santa Monica and didn’t get this out to you at the usual time. I hope the impact on your wellbeing was not too severe, we are back now with another great guest.

    I gotta say, every time I go play somewhere I get reminded of how important it is to just get out and play. I used to take it for granted because I was gigging all the time, but these days I’m doing more composition and production so the actual performances are more spread out. I’ll forget that there’s nothing like getting into a room full of people and actually making music in real time.

    Of course I feel like an idiot saying that to this audience, but there are plenty of other really basic things that I also forget pretty regularly. Settle in.

    This was just a private party, nothing outrageous, but I am definitely feeling the itch to get out more.

    I did a gig with today’s guest a couple of months back and wasn’t emotionally prepared for the depth of the experience. Bisan Toron took the band and the audience through a stunning set of music which she calls “Migrant Songs”, and the goosebumps were in abundance.

    I don’t know about you, but I get a little jaded sometimes with the saturation of music these days. I hear track after track, show after show and if I don’t take care to curate my feed with the unexpected I’ll start to fall into that trap of hearing everything through the same filter or feeling like everyone’s just competing with the same set of sounds and styles for a quick dash through an ever-diminishing spotlight.

    Bisan knocked me right out of that rut.

    Born in Syria and raised in Paris and New York, she studied classical voice performance at NYU and holds a masters in Ethnomusicology from the University of London. Her music is informed by a multitude of cultures and traditions, which she threads with vocal articulations that arise from the moment.

    She’s developed a musical vernacular all her own, partly inspired by Alfred Wolfsohn's re-imagining the voice as a “muscle of the soul,” using it to bridge the chasm between our inner impulses and outer expression.

    She’s doing God’s work, I tell you, and I was incredibly lucky to play with her here in Los Angeles. But the reason I wanted to speak with her and share it with you is much more basic:

    This singer stopped singing completely for a period of seven years.

    We all have the occasional dry spell. And plenty of ups and downs. It’s also perfectly normal to doubt the validity of what you’re doing and take a breather from all the work of being active. A little sabbatical is ok, hell I’ve not put out any new records for six years. It happens.

    But Bisan went deeper, and she also came back strong. You should hear about it and tell me how it relates to what you might be going through.

    As always, you can get this show in your email if you sign up, and you can tell me what you think anytime or write a review. That's always appreciated. Don’t be shy.

    Now let’s talk to Bisan.

    Press PLAY above to hear my interview with Bisan Toron

    Thanks for sticking around. Thanks to Bisan for spending some time with us.

    You can find her online bisantoron dot com and on the socials. [IG]

    Thanks for listening to Play It Like It's Music. If you liked the show, PLEASE tell a friend. Let's grow this thing:

    Follow me on social media @trevorexter and talk to me on there if you have thoughts about the show.

    We're all contending with a mutating professional landscape, jacked revenue streams and a lot of noise out there in the culture. But you gotta keep playing.

    We don't draw any lines here between scenes or styles.

    As always, thank you for listening and remember to play it like its music.

    You can check out my music on bandcamp and other places. It’s all at my website, trevorexter.com. Sign the mailing list on substack to get this show sent right to you the very moment it comes out. Consider hiring me to score your piece, produce your show or back you up onstage. Music is a beautiful thing and it makes the world go around.

    Big love to your ears.

    Trevor

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    "I just burn to make music" Feb 26, 2020
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    028: Artyom Manukyan

    Powerhouse on the cello. Composer, improvisor, bandleader. Let’s spend some time with one of today’s most exciting string players.

    This is Play It Like It’s Music, I’m Trevor Exter. Thanks for listening.

    Welcome back! On Wednesday, February 26th of 2020 music is not content, it’s connection.

    I’m so glad I got a good one in today with one of my favorite cello players, and I’m biased. The guy is a rule breaker and a free spirit on the instrument, as well as a consummate musician who always plays from the heart. Artyom Manukyan is a real hero to cello players everywhere and that’s who we’re talking to today.

    He’s got two great albums out, the newest one is called Alone and you can hear it in all the places.

    A quick check-in, I am enjoying the weather here. It’s my first winter in LA and I gotta say, I’ll take it. Thanks. Also finishing up a couple of songs that I will be releasing to you soon. Things are sounding good here in the studio and I’m excited to get some music back out into the world.

    It’s been six years since I released any proper records and they were both EP’s. But lemme tell you, it’s been a journey. I won’t talk too much about it now because I’m still finishing up the tracks and have to stay focused, but it feels like the right time.

    But you know, trying to go out as a so-called “artist” can be quite daunting even after you’ve given yourself permission to do it. Some might say that’s where our troubles begin: in identifying ourselves as “artists” with all the baggage that term implies in our creative landscape.

    But the workaround is to let yourself define what the word means to you. For example, in the music business, “Artist”, “Composer” and “Musician” are three distinct roles. Separate jobs. But you can be all three. I hate it though, when people dodge the distinctions and start to call us “creatives”. That’s a lazy poaching of an Ad industry term. The reality for most of us is that we have a demon inside of us that won’t let us rest until we find expression for something new, original and of our own making.

    Call yourself what you want, but don’t let that part of you fall asleep for too long.

    Which brings me to our guest of the hour.

    I’m a cello guy, and I’d like to reassure you non-cello people that we don’t get too deep into the weeds here. Fear not!

    One thing that happens though - if you really grab the cello and commit to it - is that you realize it’s just a giant doorway into music. There are so many possibilities that the instrument will offer an imaginative player and it really demands a lot of discipline from us. It definitely does not play itself, though you can get that impression when watching a truly great player.

    The thing about Artyom, though - and this is why I wanted to talk to him on the show - is that he incorporates a deep knowledge of music with a capital M. He is definitely not confined to the standard view of what the cello can or should do. He’s blazing a trail through the modern instrumental landscape and all kinds of important players are taking note.

    He tours with Melody Gardot as an integral band member. He gigs around LA with the coolest and most forward-thinking players on the scene, folks like Mark De Clive-Lowe, Kamasi Washington, Flying Lotus, Tim Lefebvre and Miguel Atwood-Ferguson. He just went to play on the Blue Note cruise, man!

    So he’s totally made it out of the cello crab-bucket, and that’s a thing we all can get behind. I’m super privileged to present my interview with the fantastic and fascinating Artyom Manukyan.

    As always, if you like the show, please tell a friend and help us spread the word. Otherwise it’s just us.

    OK, let’s go.

    Press PLAY above to hear my interview with Artyom Manukyan

    Thanks for sticking around. Thanks to Artyom for spending some time with us.

    GO LISTEN TO HIS RECORDS. Nobody plays cello like this guy.

    You can find him online @artyommanukyan dot com and on the socials.

    Thanks for listening to Play It Like It's Music. If you liked the show, PLEASE tell a friend. Let's grow this thing:

    Follow me on social media @trevorexter and talk to me on there if you have thoughts about the show.

    We're all contending with a mutating professional landscape, jacked revenue streams and a lot of noise out there in the culture. But you gotta keep playing.

    We don't draw any lines here between scenes or styles.

    As always, thank you for listening and remember to play it like its music.

    You can check out my music on bandcamp and other places. It’s all at my website, trevorexter.com. Sign the mailing list on substack to get this show sent right to you the very moment it comes out. Consider hiring me to score your piece, produce your show or back you up onstage. Music is a beautiful thing and it makes the world go around.

    Big love to your ears.

    Trevor

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    "Pros can smell a dumpster fire a mile away..." Feb 19, 2020
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    027: Krystle Warren

    Good morning everyone. This is Play It Like It's Music, I'm Trevor, we're back, thanks for listening.

    On Wednesday, February 19th of 2020, music is not content. It's connection.

    You all are in for treat with today's episode. I'm going to keep the intro short so we can get right in to it. Krystle Warren is one of my favorite musicians, and she's highly influential too. I always see one or two famous artists at her shows, showing up incognito to soak up the richness that is her music.

    It's a hard act to describe, but that’s ok because she's got several records out, to which you can go listen after we talk here. I'll just say there's a depth of connection which she has that is incredibly rare to find. If this is your first time finding out about her, it’s your lucky day.

    She's from Kansas City but she lives in France. I met her in New York many years ago and we recorded our chat in LA on the patio at the home of bassist Solomon Dorsey, another great musician who I hope to speak to on this show someday.

    Solomon is in Krystle's band, The Faculty. They had just played a set at the Hotel Cafe the night before, so there’s a bit of afterglow mixed with the inevitable nuts and bolts of how she runs a band and ways to handle a talkative audience.

    Let’s get right to it.

    Press Play to hear my interview with Krystle Warren.

    Thanks for sticking around. Thanks to Krystle Warren for spending some time with us.

    GO LISTEN TO HER RECORDS. I have them in regular rotation and you should too.

    You can find her online @krystlewarrenofficial on the socials.

    Thanks for listening to Play It Like It's Music. If you liked the show, PLEASE tell a friend. Let's grow this thing:

    Follow me on social media @trevorexter and talk to me on there if you have thoughts about the show.

    We're all contending with a mutating professional landscape, jacked revenue streams and a lot of noise out there in the culture. But you gotta keep playing.

    We don't draw any lines here between scenes or styles.

    As always, thank you for listening and remember to play it like its music.

    You can check out my music on bandcamp and other places. It’s all at my website, trevorexter.com. Sign the mailing list to get this podcast sent right to you the moment it comes out. Consider hiring me to score your piece, produce your podcast or back you up onstage. Music is a beautiful thing and it makes the world go around.

    Big love to your ears.

    Trevor

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    "Know your why" + In Memoriam Feb 12, 2020
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    026: Alfred Rutherford, Jr.

    We’re back! This is Play It Like It’s Music, thanks for listening.

    On Wednesday, February 11th of 2020 Music is not content. It's connection.

    I've been going through it a little bit, like ya do. It's kind of grounding for me to check in with you all every week. It keeps me aligned with what I'm doing but mainly also the why. We can lose track of the Why so easily.

    Thanks for being here.

    In Memoriam: Lyle Mays

    I just found out about the passing of Lyle Mays, apparently after a long recurring illness. And I'm pretty gutted by this one, even though great musicians are passing with some regularity lately. It's a huge, huge loss.

    By the way, don't feel bad if you've never heard of him. So many artists don't get to be in the news until they either win an Oscar or they die. If this is the case for you, please do yourself a favor and put his name into that search box. With literally any note that man ever played, I felt his depth and connection to what might best be called "Musical Infinity".

    In fact, f**k it. I'll borrow this phrase from Allen Toussaint, which he used to describe Chuck Berry: The man is a mountain.

    Lyle Mays. My early dalliances with modern instrumental music were propelled in a huge way, back when I was in high school, by listening obsessively to the Pat Metheny Group. It's actually tough for me to admit that, because later I came to reject that same music and any aesthetic remotely connected to it. I went through deep phases of both loving and hating both the sound and the actual music.

    It's all my own s**t, maybe you can relate. I can laugh about it now, but as we're developing in music and our tastes evolve, we uncover new areas and it's common to shift gears.

    Some people come out of the ground just like a potato and they never change what music they like. But I'm not one of those people.

    I have actually changed my musical tastes so many times that I frequently forget who I am. I listen really hard, and I also play hard and practice hard. I go hard in lots of directions, and one of these was deliberately trying to throw off my addiction to what you might call "finger jazz", that supernoodle, hyper-intricate polyphony that the Metheny vibe is most associated with. I'd been weaned on it, and I became convinced that I needed to wean myself off of it.

    I thought it might be holding me back from getting laid or something, who knows. It was a long time ago.

    It can happen, and my real reasons were sound but also sad: I didn't believe I'd ever be a good enough player to work in those circles. Not only did I lack confidence, but even hearing folks - friends of mine - who played at that level made me feel bad about myself. My string playing ability seemed stuck somewhere in space between the suzuki method and the world of guitar gods, and far from those extremes I grew very lonely.

    I plateaued there for a long time and started to feel like I was running out of air. It hurt, and I decided I no longer could afford to listen to music that didn't shine a light on my own path forward.

    The complexity was too intimidating for me.

    I stopped believing in anything but the simplest possible music, stuff I could try to play on my cello, and my path became very narrow. I laugh about it now because I eventually healed myself and my attitude and I found a way to start playing again. It was all in my head like you might guess.

    And my feelings about the Metheny group eventually settled down into a loving appreciation, the kind one might feel for a friend with whom I'd lost touch over the years but for whom you have great respect. And that's where that music lives for me, it's a place of deep respect. But of course we're fortunate that Metheny is still with us and still pushing music forward.

    None of this is about him though.

    Lyle Mays was and remains the core of my connection to that group, and also very close to the trunk of my own musical tree of influences. He made the keyboards not only sing, but shine. He brought a magic to the stage, and to the very idea of musicmaking. Genius. The man was an unbelievable genius, and the music just emanated from him.

    I really can't put into words just what kind of player he was. Marketing folks need to sort us into genres, but the more you love music the more music you love. The more you inhabit music, the more the music will inhabit you.

    Lyle Mays was one of the closest things I ever saw to a pure musical being. Go listen. Start maybe with his solo album from the year 2000 and work backward, or start from the beginning and work forward. Or anywhere really. Now that there's a bookend to the man's work, maybe I'll discover my own courage and dive back in to that infinite pursuit.

    Here's to you Lyle, thank you for your gifts and your work which will continue to teach us.

    In honor of Lyle, today we're going to hear from a great piano player. His name is Alfred Ruthorford, Jr.

    Listening back to this interview in the edit, my jaw just kept hitting the floor as he dropped one gem after the next.

    In case you don't already know and admire him, Alfred is a native of Memphis Tennessee. While still in high school he performed background vocals with artists such as Eric Benet, Monica and Jon Secada. He went on to study opera and also begin developing his love for teaching.

    He's a sought-after session pianist, keyboardist, composer, arranger, organist, studio musician, background vocalist and vocal coach.

    Like many of us, he moves between genres. Alfred has in real credibility in Modern Pop, Country, Reggae, EDM, Gospel, Contemporary Christian, Club/house, instrumental music, electronic music, soul music, neo soul, rock, sacared music, vocal jazz, hip-hop, folk music, opera, and choral music.

    He's worked with Jack Flash, Karen Clark-Sheard, Marla Joy, B Slade, Citizen Cope, Valarie June, The Clark Sisters, Cassondra James, The Winans, Cory Henry... it's a long and growing list.

    You'll get a lot out of this one.

    [PRESS PLAY.]

    Thanks for sticking around. Thanks to Alfred Rutherford, Jr. for sharing his space and his spirit with us.

    You can find Alfred online @alfredrutherfordjr on the socials that matter. Especially on IG, he’s got so many tasty videos of himself playing on his downtime in the studio.

    Thanks for listening to Play It Like It's Music. If you liked the show, PLEASE tell a friend. Let's grow this thing.

    Follow me on social @trevorexter and talk to me on there if you have thoughts.

    We're all contending with a mutating professional landscape, jacked revenue streams and a lot of noise out there in the culture. But you gotta keep playing.

    We don't draw any lines here between scenes or styles.

    As always, thank you for listening and remember to play it like its music.

    You can check out my music on bandcamp and other places. It’s all at my website, trevorexter.com. Sign the mailing list to get this podcast sent right to you the moment it comes out. Consider hiring me to score your piece, produce your podcast or back you up onstage. Music is a beautiful thing and it makes the world go around.

    Big love to your ears.

    Trevor

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    "It's about feelings!" Feb 05, 2020
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    Episode 025: Max Lilja

    That’s the captain himself.

    Founding member of Apocalyptica, cellist at large currently working on his 4th solo album, multimedia artist and composer for video games, films, a Finnish radio drama based upon The Excorcist, he also tours with operatic metal star Tarja Turunen. Max Lilja is a quiet killer on the cello and also one of the people moving the state of the art forward on that instrument.

    That is, this instrument [plays]…

    Good morning! This is Play It like It's Music, I'm Trevor. Thanks for listening.

    We are back.

    On Wednesday, February the 5th of 2020, music is not content, it's connection.*

    *and if you like the show, please tell a friend!

    So why talk to Max?

    We are a weird bunch, the cellists. There are so many reasons why the instrument just shouldn’t survive in this age of synths and samples and Marshall stacks, but we do. Max not only shows the cellists how to do it but also for the rest of you, he embodies how discipline and experimentation can coexist in one amazing career. We all can learn quite a bit from Max.

    Just a quick note, we were speaking at a bar in New York, during a soundcheck. So there’s some noise. It was the same night I spoke with Kevin Chown, the episode from a couple weeks ago. It gets loud and you’ll notice. But these musicians have lots of great things to say as we get ready for our gigs. So this is your backstage pass.

    Here’s Max.

    [press play!]

    Thanks for listening to Play It Like It's Music. If you liked the show, PLEASE tell a friend. Let's grow this thing.

    Follow me on social @trevorexter and talk to me on there if you have thoughts.

    We're all contending with a mutating professional landscape, jacked revenue streams and a lot of noise out there in the culture. But you gotta keep playing.

    We don't draw any lines here between scenes or styles.

    As always, thank you for listening and remember to play it like its music.

    You can check out my music on bandcamp and other places. It’s all at my website, trevorexter.com. Sign the mailing list to get this podcast sent right to you the moment it comes out. Consider hiring me to score your piece, produce your podcast or back you up onstage. Music is a beautiful thing and it makes the world go around.

    Big love to your ears.

    Trevor

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    "The person who says 'yes!' and knows I'll figure it out... that's the professional." Jan 29, 2020
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    Episode 024: Cormac Bluestone

    Good morning! This is Play It like It's Music, I'm Trevor. Thanks for listening.

    We are back.

    On Wednesday, January the 29th of 2020, music is not content, it's connection.*

    *and if you like the show, please tell a friend!

    My friend Cormac Bluestone does it all: music, comedy, casting, directing, coaching, you name it. But he’s not a typical slasher, he’s got a unique talent for finding the humor inside of music, and also finding the music inside of humor. That’s why he’s an indispensable asset on shows like It’s Always Sunny In Philadelphia and The Cool Kids, as well as scads of theater credits and even TV acting credits.

    The guy knows his stuff, and he’s here to let you in on a few things.

    OK, so WHY talk to Cormac?

    Aside from wanting to catch up with a friend of over 20 years, I wanted to get a sense of how he keeps it together. The man is busy on both coasts and just had his second kid, but manages to keep the calm voice of the captain with every new twist that catches him, blowing the competition out of the water with every new deadline.

    My hat is off to the guy, and yours will be too once you get a sense of all that’s going on here.

    We get into a lot, so THANKS to Cormac for opening up his mind and his space for us. I hope you get as much out of it as I did.

    You can find him on social at "cormac bluestone" :

    @cormacbluestone

    https://www.cormacbluestone.com

    All music cues in this episode (besides the opening/closing themes) composed and produced by Cormac Bluestone

    OK, That's it for today.

    Thanks for listening to Play It Like It's Music. If you liked the show, PLEASE tell a friend. Let's grow this thing.

    Follow me on social @trevorexter and talk to me on there if you have thoughts.

    We're all contending with a mutating professional landscape, jacked revenue streams and a lot of noise out there in the culture. But you gotta keep playing.

    We don't draw any lines here between scenes or styles.

    As always, thank you for listening and remember to play it like its music.

    Big love to your ears.

    Trevor

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    "Make A Thing, Make It Nice!" Jan 22, 2020
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    Episode 023: Simone Giuliani

    Good morning! This is Play It like It's Music, I'm Trevor. Thanks for listening.

    We are back.

    On Wednesday, January the 22nd of 2020, music is not content, it's connection.*

    *and if you like the show, please tell a friend!

    My friend Simone Giuliani is an Italian musician, film composer, arranger, record producer and music director based in Los Angeles and Manhattan, New York. He is also a keyboard player and a pianist. He's collaborated with Miho Hatori from Cibo Matto and Gorillaz and he's worked on remixes for Beyoncé, Maxwell and Sia...

    He also won the Best Music Award at the 8th China Academy Awards for Documentary Film in Beijing for his soundtrack "Deep into Shambhala", and in general his bio is packed with both producer and musician credits with Andrea Bocelli, London Symphony Orchestra, Groove Collective… he's recorded at Abbey Road, etc… !

    *Besides his work as a musician, producer and composer he is also the Artistic Director of YANGCHENMA ARTS & MUSIC, an organization preserving and promoting human cultures around the world through their artistic musical traditions:

    https://www.yangchenma.org/

    Yangchenma organizes live concerts, and as luck would have it I am working with him this very week!

    He produces a stellar season of inspiring talks and cultural immersions at Pure Land Farms, the Center for Tibetan Medicine situated in the beautiful canyon of Topanga, California.

    OK, but WHY talk to Simone?

    Aside from having a soothing voice and a beautiful selection of work which we will be sampling underneath the conversation, I wanted to get a sense of how he keeps his career vital, always moving forward.

    He and I are the same age and I've done a bit of travel myself. I know how hard it is. But Simone has a way of landing in new places: concert halls and studios all over europe, Asia, New York, LA... and he somehow makes himself at home.

    We get into a lot of that and more, so THANKS to Simone for opening up his mind and his space with us. I hope you get as much out of it as I did.

    You can find him on social at "simone giuliani" with two underscores at either end. EDGY:

    @__simonegiuliani__

    Music Credits:

    Bossamore (from Monday Michiru's album "Brasilified")

    Innocent Crime (from the soundtrack of "Unseen")

    Monday michiru moments (from Terron Darby's "Moments" feat. Monday Michiru)

    The Scale of things (from the soundtrack of "Deep Into Shambhala")

    Levity ending credits (voice: Bisan Toron from the soundtrack of "NYSFERATU")

    Keepin' On (from Lazybatusu's album "00.03")

    Arise (from the soundtrack of "Deep Into Shambhala")

    Il Vento (from the soundtrack of "Reject")

    Canto de Zinha (from "The Handmaid's Tale")

    Way down (from the Happening's album "Miles Away from America")

    Arrival (from the soundtrack of "Unseen")

    Lacrime di un pirata italiano (from the Happening's album "These are My Diamonds")

    Musicians: Simone Giuliani, Monday Michiru, DJ Terron Darby, Trevor Exter, Robbie Angelucci, Masa Shimizu, Eleanor Norton, Hamilton Berry, Piero Perelli, Bisan Toron, Bill Dobrow, Guilherme Monteiro, DJ Corrado Bay, Jamie Catto, Alex Forster, Dave Randall, Renaud Gabriel Pion, Jonathan Kotler, Mauricio Zottarelli, Itaiguara Brandao

    As I mentioned,

    besides his work as a musician, producer and composer he is also putting on concerts! I am fortunate to be working with him this very week, playing the cello. So if you are in the Los Angeles area, go to www.purelandfarms.org and get directions and tickets for two concerts in Los Angeles:

    Friday January 24th and Sunday January 26th

    He's got a new album Migrant Songs concert with Bisan Toron (voice), Piero Perelli (drums) and guest musicians including myself on Sunday. They call it a Sound Alignment Concert: a journey through sound and color. Come out.

    OK, That's it for today.

    Thanks for listening to Play It Like It's Music. If you liked the show, PLEASE tell a friend. Let's grow this thing.

    Follow me on social @trevorexter and talk to me on there if you have thoughts.

    We're all contending with a mutating professional landscape, jacked revenue streams and a lot of noise out there in the culture. But you gotta keep playing.

    We don't draw any lines here between scenes or styles.

    As always, thank you for listening and remember to play it like its music.

    Big love to your ears.

    Trevor

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    “I live my life as a gigantic middle finger to my medical condition” Jan 15, 2020
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    022: Kevin Chown

    The Carpet of Confidence

    It's Wednesday, January the 13th of 2020.

    *if you like the show, please tell a friend!

    Before we hit you with today’s interview I'd like to hip you to the premise of this show, because you should know what we stand for around here. It came to me in a flash as I was finishing last week's episode with Mike.

    Ready? Here it is:

    "Music is not content. It's connection."*

    *Now I've heard the wailing and I've even done a bit of it myself, people are crying about how the music biz is a sucker's game and all kinds of other hoo haa from all kinds of folks, everywhere. It's a saw we can pick up, But there's less stuff to cut with it. Because the music game may indeed be a sucker's biz, but that's only for those who call it a game and play it like one. But you and I know it's NOT a game. Music is not just about feeding the beast. We play for a multitude of reasons and in a magnitude of different ways. And we do it to open up doors and channels and pathways and hearts, and to amplify all kinds of resonances that don't fit onto a spreadsheet. The spotify top 100 is just a spreadsheet, don't let em trick you. Anyway, I just wanted to get that off my chest.

    I'll get deeper into this idea and what it means in future episodes, but I'm sure you get the drift.

    Meanwhile, today's episode is gonna blow your mind.

    Kevin Chown is a bass player. And he is a warrior.

    The style of music he is known for is of the heavy variety, he's associated with several projects over the years, from Cosmosquad to Sebastian Bach to Chad Smith to the power trio Der Elefant. When we spoke, it was on the same gig that my cello friend Max Lilja was on: the Finnish heavy metal/opera singer Tarja Turunen.

    You could call him a road dog.

    But you and I know that as excited as we all can get about playing music and maybe even earning a living from it, there's an ugly reality that sneaks in over time. Once the bloom is off the rose and you've been through the ringer a few times, gone around the block, played your first few hundred or few thousand gigs, it can get hard to keep showing up.

    * You might experience a bit of depression as the never-ending highway stretches out in front of you for the unforeseeable future.

    * You may question your life choices as you nurse some tender vertebra after loading your rig in and out of a club before crashing in a strange bed, waking up before dawn, choking down a black coffee and a gas station burrito and facing yet another epic drive, another gig in front of more strangers and another lonely night.

    Stuff we all deal with at one point or another, yeah those are the basics.

    But what if you had something else, something potentially catastrophic on top of it all that dwarfed all of the other inconveniences and concerns?

    Kevin Chown is a monster. I saw him perform shortly after we spoke at the Gramercy Theater in New York City and let me tell you, this guy has a sound and a style that simply takes no prisoners. I could geek out over his signal chain and his bass chops for days, but that would be missing the point.

    He shows up with a mission and a purpose, each time. And it's a huge risk for him to do so, way beyond what most of us deal with. You're gonna hear him tell us about it in the interview, but suffice it to say that if you find yourself out on the road, lonely and tired, wondering what it's all about, you can always check yourself and take an example from this man you're about to meet.

    Because there's a reason we go out to play,

    and when the personal cost is high and the floor falls out from under us, that reason is what saves us and keeps us coming back.

    Players, I give you Kevin Chown.

    If you're in LA or going to the NAMM show this week, you can check out Kevin's band Cosmosquad at the #M3Live on Sat. Jan 18th at7pm sharp.

    They are also playing 2 sets at the Baked Potato on Saturday January 24th.

    Go check em out!

    You can find him online at KevinChown.com. He's on all the socials.

    That's it for today.

    Thanks for listening to Play It Like It's Music. If you liked it, PLEASE tell a friend. Let's grow this thing.

    Follow me on social @trevorexter and talk to me on there if you have thoughts.

    We're all contending with a mutating professional landscape, jacked revenue streams and a lot of noise out there in the culture. But you gotta keep playing.

    We don't draw any lines here between scenes or styles.

    As always, thank you for listening and remember to play it like its music.

    Big love to your ears.

    Trevor

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    "I would much rather have the milkman at my concert." Jan 08, 2020
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    Play It Like It's Music 021: Earspasm

    Good morning! In today’s edition:

    Michael Lowenstern of Earspasm

    [Photo by Peter Gannushkin]

    It's Wednesday, January the 8th of 2020.

    This is Play It Like It's Music, thank you for listening *

    *and if you like the show, please tell a friend!

    We're hanging today with a totally unique, and uniquely advanced player and citizen.

    Michael Lowenstern, a completely world class Bass Clarinetist. And a thriving corporate executive in the field of advertising. The guy has stories for days, a fascinating Ableton rig where he can loop a ton of stuff and - most of all - a beautiful, charismatic tone on his instrument.

    Oh and he's also a pilot.

    I hope you all are bringing it like champs out there! For those of you who asked, yes it's true. I've suspended my campaign for president. Maybe a couple more go-rounds I'll try it again but for now I'm gonna stick to things I'm good at, like looking out upon the ocean at sunset, making guacamole and trying not to read the rest of the news.

    We got an incredible musician with us today, so I'm gonna jump right in.

    Michael started in on Harmonica at age 2, growing up in the south side of Chicago. He played with Orpheus and did a whole slew of other “wish list” gigs.

    Then he started a family and moved over to doing grown up jobs where he also thrived and eventually bought himself a plane. (A little one, that he flies himself around in on the weekends.) We don't talk too much about that, but suffice it to say that the man is not just some hippie.

    And he still plays out, quite successfully.

    Mike puts a lot of full time pro players to shame with his solid stage prowess, but he shares the wisdom quite generously. We got to talking about the kind of music he likes to call "Post Ugly", becoming a popular bass clarinet guy on YouTube, knowing who your audience is and playing to them… as well as maintaining two successful careers.

    You'll also hear some incredible sounding tracks of his as an underscore to parts of this interview.

    Thank you so much for listening to the show. If you like it, tell a friend? Let's grow this thing.

    Go and find Mike and all of his brilliance at: https://www.earspasm.com/

    Look at his youtube channel, lots of action up there: https://www.youtube.com/earspasm

    This show is for you!

    We're all contending with a mutating professional landscape, jacked revenue streams and a lot of noise out there in the culture. But you gotta keep playing.

    It’s exciting times. Music isn't just content, it's a connection.

    We don't draw any lines here between scenes or styles. As always, thank you for listening and remember to play it like its music.

    Big love to your ears.

    Trevor

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    Play It Like It's Music 020: Ann Courtney Jan 01, 2020
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    OK, it's a new year, new decade. Goodbye teens, hello 20's!

    Got a good one to start you off today:

    In This Episode: ANN COURTNEY

    [photo my Omar Kasrawi)

    My 20's were a freakshow, but that's a tale for another day.

    PRESS PLAY because we made it through, we're here now, this is Play It Like It's Music, the show is back, I'm Trevor Exter and thanks for tuning in!

    If you know me at all, you know I've had my battles with music.

    Not just with trying to play it or trying to get ahead in the music business or even just play a gig. But I've had battles just trying to come to terms with "what the hell music even IS" or "why do we do this??"

    I've tried to quit a bunch of times, but by now I know that life is definitely better if I'm playing.

    So a day doesn't go by...

    I'm here at the top of the 20-20's, (20/20’s?) still playing cello and still talking to people. So wherever you are today, whatever your relation to music, whether you're playing or touring or struggling or listening or learning or all of the above, I want to wish you well.

    And I want to make something clear, to start my own decade:

    I defined the best parts of my career when I refused to think of music as a product, but as a service. My attitude got much better when I didn't stay locked into the idea that I had to make "things" in order to call myself a musician. The audience may or may not want to buy your pieces of plastic but they always want to be served by you. So I went around saying that "Music is not a product, it's a service" and that worked.

    My gigs got better, my attitude was better. It's a good way to get in the door.

    But it turns out music is more than a service. Before it's anything you provide to anyone, It's an experience. IT's a phenomenon, you know what I mean. But unlike a "service"…

    we all get to have it.

    It doesn't have to be a transaction, you don't have to separate everybody into audience and performers and producers... it's just a gateway that opens up to infinity every time you start making a noise on something.

    So I'm just gonna say these three things before we move on today. On new years day, 2020:

    1. you have the right to your own noise

    2. No one can tell you how you should play

    3. you don't have to perform if you don't want to

    Because music is huge, it's like the water or the air. IT's not something that can be taken away from you just because you were told that you won't make it or that a gig has to go down a certain way and you don't fit. No, music is infinite and you can always connect to it.

    So take that in moving forward into the year here.

    PLAY IT LIKE IT’S MUSIC - EPISODE 20 with Ann Courtney

    The band Mother Feather blows my mind every time I see a show of theirs, and Ann Courtney is amazing. She's a good friend and we go way back to my first gigs in Rockwood back in NYC. We get in to all of her background and her attitude and her approach, and you're in for a treat with that.

    They have a gig on Jan 24th 2020 at Saint Vitus opening for The Giraffes that you can go to if you're anywhere near NEW YORK.

    Go to: http://www.motherfeather.com/live

    Thank you so much for listening to the show. If you like it, tell a friend? Let's grow this thing.

    Come find us at playitlikeitsmusic.com, we did some good episodes and there's more coming.

    This show is for you! We're all contending with a mutating professional landscape, jacked revenue streams and a lot of noise out there in the culture. But you gotta keep playing.

    It’s exciting times. It's almost as if the simple act of playing an instrument is a revolutionary one.

    We don't draw any lines here between scenes or styles, so if you haven't done it already, head over to the web site and join the mailing list.

    As always, thank you for listening and remember to play it like its music.

    Big love to your ears.

    And to your year.

    Trevor

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