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99. The Trouble with Alice: Alice Crimmins Oct 14, 2020

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The year is 1965 and Alice Crimmins is not like most of the women of the time as she is about to be a divorced woman with two small children, 4-year-old Alice Marie who went by Missy, and 5-year-old Eddie. She dressed well and had style, ladies wanted to be friends with her and men wanted to marry her. She was the envy of almost all of them-- that was-- until something happened that summer day and now, no one would ever want to trade places with Alice. It was July 14, 1965, when Alice went into the bedroom to wake Missy and Eddie only to see they were not still in their messy unmade beds. Instead, the window was wide open as the sheers were blowing in the wind. Her babies were missing but who could have or would have done such a horrible thing?
Join Jen and Cam as we discuss ‘The Trouble with Alice’ on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast.
The promo is by our good friend Mike @brewcrime who launched a new podcast with Emma @truecrimewitch called #trail of destruction. Check them out: @Destructioncast
LD is by our hauntingly horrific @octoberpodVHS If you haven’t listened, it has the perfect chill in the ear.
Our editor, executive producer, and a great all-around chap is courtesy of Nico @wetalkofdreams. You need talent in your life or your podcast, you must check him out.
Sources:
https://irishamerica.com/2020/03/wild-irish-women-more-sinned-against-than-sinning/
https://www.encyclopedia.com/law/law-magazines/alice-crimmins-trials-1968-1971
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/sexpot-trial-tale-crimmins-custody-fight-1960s-ends-death-article-1.132749
Investigation Discovery series A Crime to Remember episode, "Go Ask Alice", aired in 2013
https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/bronx/casey-anthony-alice-crimmins-moms-trial-mesmerize-article-1.132336

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98. That Girl is Poison: Mary Clement Oct 07, 2020

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Known as the "Great Equalizer", Arsenic has been used for thousands of years to get rid of one's enemy. It's tasteless, odorless and easily slipped into one's food.
Roman Emperor Nero was suspected of using arsenic to seize the throne from his stepbrother’s throne in the 1st Century,
The aristocratic 16th-century family, the Borgia's, were well known for killing off their political opponents with this naturally found element.
Many women have also used arsenic to escape their marriages when divorce was impossible. Not only was it readily available, but it was also hard to detect in the day.
Join Cam and Jen as we discuss That Girl Is Poison: Mary Clement.
Today's episode was researched and written by E.J. Hammon
E.J. has a unique perspective into the mind of a brutal serial killer, Ted Bundy. Her work on Bundy has been featured on Bizarrepedia, the True Crime Guy web site, and she wrote Season 3 of the hit crime podcast, Criminology. (Today she adds the “Our True Crime” podcast to her list of credentials.) She is currently working with French author Fabien Richard on a book featuring the voices of Ted Bundy’s victims, survivors, and various law enforcement officials who interacted with him. The book is expected to be published sometime next year under the title “Ted Bundy: Memories of the Beast.” She can currently be found on Facebook and Twitter @RoseDysfunction
Promo is Crimes and Consequences @tntcrimes
Listener discretion by our long time spooky friend, Edward from @octoberpodvhs
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZQk-oAsjZNG18y8bX24c6w
Produced and musical score by the extremely talented and OTCP's bestie, Nico Vitesse
https://wetalkofdreams.com/
Sources:
“1858 Bradford Sweets Poisoning.” Wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1858_Bradford_sweets_poisoning
“A Mania for Poison. The Memphis Daily Appeal. 1885, July 21.
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1/#date1=1885&sort=date&rows=20&words=Kleman+Mary&searchType=basic&s
equence=0&index=7&state=&date2=1885&proxtext=Mary+Kleman&y=0&x=0&da
teFilterType=yearRange&page=1
Frith, John. “Arsenic – The Poison of Kings and the Saviour of Syphilis.” JMHV.
https://jmvh.org/article/arsenic-the-poison-of-kings-and-the-saviour-of-syphilis/
Heckenbach, Jim. 2007, December 27.
http://www.heckenbach.org/maryclement.html
Hempel, Sarah. “What’s Your Poison?” (2013, June 8) Daily Mail.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/you/article-2335464/Whats-poison-Easy-buy-
tasteless-lethal-tiny-doses-arsenic-regarded-perfect-murder-weapon.html
Lindley, Robin. “Arsenic: Victorians’ Secret.” Crosscut. 2010, September 2.
https://crosscut.com/2010/09/arsenic-victorians-
secret#:~:text=Arsenic%20pervaded%20almost%20every%20aspect%20of%20life
%20in,as%20a%20rat%20killer%20by%20the%20early%201800s.
“Mary Clement.” Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Clement
“Mary Klemen’s Story.” Omaha Bee. 1885, June 23.

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97. The Disappearance of Jack Irwin Sep 30, 2020

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It is October 3, 1999, when Lt. Cliff Mathews reports to a nearby residence to take a report about a missing man. A young woman answers the door and informs the officer that 71-year-old Jack Irwin has not checked in with anyone and it had been several weeks since she had heard from him. The woman explained that she had only known Jack for about 7 months. During that time, she would help Jack around the house like cooking and cleaning as well as run errands. She tells the officer that she last saw Jack when she dropped him off at the Metrolink station at 5 pm on Sept 13. She explained that Jack was going to take the Metrolink into LA where he was going to catch another train from Los Angeles to Seattle. The story only gets more strange from here.
Join Jen and Cam on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast as we discuss ‘The Disappearance of Jack.’
As always, our friend Edward October from @octoberpodVHS does our listener’s discretion at the top of the pod.
All of our episodes are edited by the amazingly talented (and recently award-nominated) Nico from @wetalkofdreams. He also does all the original music and is our executive producer too.
Sources:
https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/the-jailhouse-confessions-of-the-female-grifter-who-beheaded-a-korean-war-vet
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2004-dec-16-me-headless16-story.html
https://militaryjusticeforall.com/1999/09/13/disabled-korean-war-veteran-jack-irwin-us-army-targeted-for-disability-benefits-bank-account-assets-then-murdered-1999/
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2004-oct-27-me-headless27-story.html
https://www.recordnet.com/article/20041104/A_NEWS/311049948
https://www.laweekly.com/beheading-on-mount-baldy/

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96. The Murder of Little Rosie Palmer Sep 23, 2020

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In Hartlepool, England on June 30th, 1994, little 3-year-old Rosie walked to the ice cream van, bought a, and never came back home.
***It has been brought to my attention that I have mispronounced the name Hartlepool. My apologies.***
Join Cam and Jen as we discuss our first listener suggested case, The Murder of Little Rosie.
Listener discretion by Edward "The Voice" Octoberpod
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZQk-oAsjZNG18y8bX24c6w
Producer and music by the amazing Nico Vettese
www.wetalkofdreams.com
Promo by New West West Radio Theatre
@NewWestRadioPro
Sources:
https://www.amazon.com/Flowers-Gods-Garden-Bernard-%60Mahoney-ebook/dp/B00833EW5A/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=flower+in+gods+garden+bernard&qid=1600877163&sr=8-1
http://www.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/Palmer_v_Tees_Health_Authority_(1999)_EWCA_Civ_1533
https://www.questia.com/newspaper/1G1-228663833/i-m-not-even-asking-for-justice-my-rosie-s-killer
https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofEngland/The-Hanging-of-the-Hartlepool-Monkey/
https://uk-database.net/2012/04/05/shaun-armstrong-hartlepool/
https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/local-news/mum-rosie-palmer-tells-16-3703233
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/man-gets-life-for-killing-girl-3-1593503.html
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/real-people/20181011/281505047167528
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1339662/Killer-gets-legal-aid-to-sue-man-who-trapped-him.html
https://murderpedia.org/male.A/a/armstrong-shaun.htm
https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/local-news/came-back-here-would-lynched-3772771
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/local-news/gateshead-author-bernard-omahoney-snares-1363886
https://flatrock.org.nz/topics/prisons/i_love_you_did_you_kill_her.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Rosie_Palmer

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95. Killer in Steel City: Ryan Parker Sep 16, 2020

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It is a Saturday afternoon on January 5, 2002, when Michael Gerboc drove to the floral store he owned with his partner florist, Ed Kirby, to check up Ed and the store. When Michael arrived and called out for Ed, he didn’t get a response but soon he finds Ed. Ed Kirby, age 48, is on the ground surrounded by a pool of blood. The popular florist had been murdered. He had been shot execution-style in the back of the head so he never saw it coming. A 9-millimeter shell was located nearby. His wallet was missing and the cash register was empty. Michael was devastated. Sadly this would not be the only murder this ruthless coward would be responsible for but there was one final shock that would leave many in disbelief.
Join Jen and Cam as we discuss Killer in Steel City in this episode of Our True Crime Podcast.
As always, our favorite partners in crime help us in all our episodes. Edward October does our creepy listener discretion: @octoberpodVHS Check out his storytelling which will be perfect to listen to as we roll into fall. Nico from @wetalkofdreams does all our original music but, as our editor, also makes us sound good and we all know how difficult that task has to be.
Sources:
https://www.semissourian.com/story/62121.html
https://thesouthern.com/news/local/man-gets-life-in-prison-for-sparta-murder/article_d8e63c4c-0a47-5b27-8600-9719ad6d359e.html
https://www.sj-r.com/article/20110618/NEWS/306189977
https://qconline.com/news/illinois/former-police-officer-admits-murder-of-granite-city-florist/article_60bf18ad-c40b-597e-95e4-dc6e4f528e6b.html
http://www.prisontalk.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-2215.html
https://www.bustle.com/p/where-is-ryan-parker-in-2018-the-to-catch-a-killer-finale-explores-a-complicated-murder-case-12273679 (also check out the episode!)

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94. Breaking Point: Mary Ann Holder Sep 09, 2020

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Desperate and depressed with the feeling of being overwhelmed is way too real for a lot of us. This is a case when the worst that can happen, does.
Listen to Cam and Jen discuss the events that lead to Mary Ann Holder's breaking point.
If you have feelings of wanting to hurt yourself or others please call the Suicide Hotline
In the United States call 1-800-273-8255
For all other countries, here is a link to a list of numbers International Suicide Hotlines by Country on Suicide.org
http://www.suicide.org/hotlines/international-suicide-hotlines.html
This episode was researched and written by E.J. Hammon
E.J. Hammon is a North Carolina writer who is fascinated with serial crime and the psychology behind it. With over a decade of experience writing her blog Confessions of a Bundyphile, https://bundyphile.com/
E.J. has a unique perspective into the mind of brutal serial killer, Ted Bundy. Her work on Bundy has been featured on Bizarrepedia, the True Crime Guy web site, and she wrote Season 3 of the hit crime podcast, Criminology. (Today she adds the “Our True Crime” podcast to her list of credentials.) She is currently working with French author Fabien Richard on a book featuring the voices of Ted Bundy’s victims, survivors, and various law enforcement officials who interacted with him. The book is expected to be published sometime next year under the title “Ted Bundy: Memories of the Beast.” She can currently be found on Facebook and Twitter @RoseDysfunction
.
Listener discretion by our long time spooky friend, Edward from @octoberpodvhs
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZQk-oAsjZNG18y8bX24c6w
Produced and musical score by the extremely talented and one of OTCP's bestie, Nico Vitesse
https://wetalkofdreams.com/
Sources:
Daily Mail Reporter. (2011, November 23). "Jilter lover who went on bloody rampage 'gave ex-boyfriend $10,000 cheque to prevent his wife since her' day before the massacre." https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2065437/North-Carolina-shootings-Mary-Ann-Holder-gave-ex-10-000-cheque-prevent-wife-suing-day-massacre.html
Diranian, S. (2017, June 13) "The Meaning of Being a Mother." www.hellomotherhood.com/article/536071-the-meaning-of-being-a-mother/
"Filicide" Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filicide
Friedman, S. (2007, October) "Child murder by mothers: patterns and prevention." www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2174580
Harvard Health Blog. (2011, March) "What pushes a person to commit suicide?" www.health.harvard.edu/mind-and-mood/what -pushes-a-person-to-commit-suicide
Huffington Post. (2012, December 19) "Mass Shooting Psychology: Spree Killers Have Consistent Profile, Research Shows." www.huffpost.com/entry/mass-shooting-psychology-spree-killers_n_2331236
Investigation Discovery. (2017, September 28) "Psychology of a Murder-Suicide: What makes a person kill, then kill themselves"

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93. Living a Lie: Mary and Chester Burge Sep 02, 2020

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Today we are going back in time where things were a bit more simple. There was no internet or cable tv and children played outside unsupervised until the street lamps came on. Everyone went to church on Sundays in their Sunday best and the American dream was to get married to your true love, own a house, and have 2.5 kids. The year is 1960 and we are going to pay a visit to Macon, Georgia and while a lot has changed in the past 60 years, some things never change like greed, lust, and murder. Join Jen and Cam as we discuss 'Living a Lie: Mary and Chester Burge' on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast.
Just like always, our listener discretion is provided by the dreamy voiced Edward October from @octoberpodVHS and all our awesome (original) music and editing is provided by Nico from @wetalkofdreams.
Sources:
https://www.macon.com/news/local/crime/article202853319.html
https://www.inquisitr.com/2619541/chester-burge-mary-burge-a-crime-to-remember-investigation-discovery-louis-roosevelt-johnson-macon-georgia-murder-trial/
https://www.gatewaymacon.org/top-5-lists/top-5-sinistershirleyhill.cms
https://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/local/post-time-chester-burge-freed-in-wifes-death-but-d/nsNcJ/
https://www.13wmaz.com/article/news/history/macon-criminal-history-chester-burge-murder/93-e7ad6888-405e-404c-acf0-e7a581303809

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92. Beyond a Shadow of a Doubt: The Hendricks Family Murders Aug 26, 2020

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91. Shattered Memory: Suitcase Rapist Michael Lee Jones Jul 22, 2020

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On Feb 21, 2005, a call comes into Miami 911 dispatch from a man who says there is a woman, unconscious in a vacant lot with what looks to be a head wound. She has no clothes on and is clinging to life. Officials were sure the person who did this thought she was dead or near death when he dumped her in the vacant lot. As she gained her strength, the victim was able to write down her name as well as some other details for police but she could not remember exactly what happened to her or who did it. Can police figure out who committed this brutal crime before he can strike again? Join Jen and Cam as we discuss ‘Shattered Memory’ on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast.
Check out the promo at the end of the episode from our friend Edward from @octoberpodVHS.
All the music of our show is from the wildly talented Nico from @wetalkofdreams. We liked him so much, we made him our executive producer too!
Sources:
https://www.westword.com/news/michael-lee-jones-serial-rapists-capture-shows-magic-and-limits-of-dna-tracking-5859920https://heavy.com/entertainment/2019/04/inna-budnytska-michael-lee-jones-victims/
https://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2010/12/vanishing-blonde-201012
https://www.insideedition.com/how-serial-rapist-was-finally-caught-thanks-suitcase-and-eagle-eyed-private-investigator-51906
https://abcnews.go.com/US/serial-rapist-loose-years-abandoned-suitcase-put-stop/story?id=62091508
https://abcnews.go.com/2020/video/michael-lee-jones-arrested-inna-butnytska-breakthrough-part-62208356
https://abcnews.go.com/2020/video/case-suspect-michael-lee-jones-falls-part-10-62208417

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90. When Hell Came Up To The 2nd Floor: The UpStairs Lounge Arson Jul 16, 2020

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Listener Discretion on this one, kids! Derogatory slang amongst other things.
On the night on June 24, 1973, around 8 pm, someone set fire to the UpStairs Lounge a gay bar located in the French Quarter of New Orleans. Thirty-two people lost their lives.
Many think the police failed to really investigate the arson. The official cause is still listed as "undetermined origin", but many believe it was a man that was thrown out of the bar earlier that night.
Almost 50 years later is it still one of New Orleans' deadliest fires. Up until the Pulse Nightclub shooting in 2016, it was the deadliest incident in the history of violence against the LGBTQ community.
Join Jen and Cam as we discuss the UpStairs Lounge Arson.
Sources
https://www.amazon.com/Tinderbox-Untold-Stairs-Lounge-Liberation/dp/163149595X/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=tinderbox&qid=1594848681&sr=8-2
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=the+upstairs+lounge&crid=1E2DRXVUDFLRS&sprefix=the+upstairs+loun%2Caps%2C198&ref=nb_sb_ss_i_1_17
https://www.amazon.com/Upstairs-Inferno-Christopher-Rice/dp/B07DM51YX4/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1E2DRXVUDFLRS&dchild=1&keywords=the+upstairs+lounge&qid=1594848714&sprefix=the+upstairs+loun%2Caps%2C198&sr=8-1
https://www.amazon.com/Let-Faggots-Burn-Upstairs-Lounge/dp/1614344531
https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2018/07/24/upstairs-lounge-arson-ferris-leblanc
https://zagria.blogspot.com/2018/11/regina-adams-1952-widow-performer.html#.Xw92lihKi01
http://beyondbourbonst.com/fire-at-the-up-stairs-lounge-episode-66/

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