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    No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp – Tokens Media

    What does it really mean to live a good life—in our politics, our faith, our work, and our relationships?

    On No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp, we explore the ideas, practices, and public debates that shape human flourishing today. Each week you’ll hear thought-provoking conversations with bestselling authors, philosophers, neuroscientists, psychologists, theologians, artists, and political leaders—people wrestling with the biggest questions of meaning and purpose in our time.

    Together we ask:

    How can religion be a force for healing instead of division?

    What does neuroscience reveal about happiness, habits, and productivity?

    Where do politics and justice meet the pursuit of the common good?

    How do truth, beauty, and goodness help us live well—personally and collectively?

    If you care about faith, politics, social justice, science, or the search for meaning, you’ll find courageous, practical conversations here. Because pursuing a meaningful life is no small endeavor—and we’re with you on the road.

    Learn more at nosmallendeavor.com.

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    159: Unabridged Interview: John Blake Jun 11, 2024
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    What has the power to change our minds about the world? In John Blake’s case, it was a surprise encounter.

    “I knew I had a white mother,” says award-winning journalist John Blake. “Her name is Shirley, and her family hates black people… that's all I knew.”

    At age 17, John Blake’s father casually asked him if he’d like to meet his mother for the first time. Three days later, he found himself in the waiting room of a hospital. “The meeting is nothing that I expected,” he recalls. “It's incredibly shocking.”

    Today, Blake tells the story of his childhood, born in the sixties as the son of an interracial couple in Baltimore. His story sheds light on the history of racial prejudice in the United States, and offers wisdom about the ways in which we might find hope and healing in the midst of all kinds of struggle and hostility.

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    More Than I Imagined by John Blake

    PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

    Transcript for Abridged Episode


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    159: John Blake: More Than I Imagined Jun 06, 2024
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    John Blake’s father was Black. The mother he never knew was white. The two met in Baltimore in the 60’s when interracial marriage was illegal.

    “I knew I had a white mother,” says the award-winning journalist. “Her name is Shirley, and her family hates black people… that's all I knew.”

    At age 17, John Blake’s father casually asked him if he’d like to meet his mother for the first time. Three days later, he found himself in the waiting room of a hospital where he uncovered a long held family secret. “The meeting is nothing that I expected,” he recalls. “It's incredibly shocking.”

    Today, Blake tells the story of his childhood shedding light on the history of racial prejudice in the United States. He offers wisdom about the ways in which we might find hope and healing in the midst of all kinds of struggle and hostility.


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    More Than I Imagined by John Blake

    PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

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    158: Unabridged Interview: Naomi Shihab Nye Jun 04, 2024
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    This is our unabridged interview with Naomi Shihab Nye.

    What do scientists and poets both agree on?

    On this show, we often host guests whose work is in scientific or concrete fields, such as psychology or sociology, which rely on experiments and research to come to helpful conclusions. But such conversations sometimes fall short of the wonder and beauty we experience in everyday life, and for such subjects, we turn to the poets.

    In this episode, award-winning poet Naomi Shihab Nye corroborates what researchers have confirmed—the benefits of paying attention. She shares abundant wisdom for living a good life through the lens of poetry. Her work has a quality that the best poetry has, that of paying rapt attention to small moments, making meaning and hope out of everyday wonders.

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    Everything Comes Next by Naomi Shihab Nye

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    158: Naomi Shihab Nye: The Life Changing Benefits of Paying Attention (Best of NSE) May 30, 2024
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    What do scientists and poets both agree on?

    On this show, we often host guests whose work is in scientific or concrete fields, such as psychology or sociology, which rely on experiments and research to come to helpful conclusions. But such conversations sometimes fall short of the wonder and beauty we experience in everyday life, and for such subjects, we turn to the poets.

    In this episode, award-winning poet Naomi Shihab Nye corroborates what researchers have confirmed—the benefits of paying attention. She shares abundant wisdom for living a good life through the lens of poetry. Her work has a quality that the best poetry has, that of paying rapt attention to small moments, making meaning and hope out of everyday wonders.

    Show Notes:

    Resources mentioned this episode

    Everything Comes Next by Naomi Shihab Nye

    PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

    Transcription Link

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    157: Unabridged Interview: Kristin Neff May 28, 2024
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    This is our unabridged interview with Kristin Neff.

    Is high self-esteem crucial to human flourishing, or, rather, a hindrance?

    “The biggest problem with self-esteem is that it tends to be contingent,” says Kristin Neff. “We only feel good about ourselves when we succeed.” Far too often, high self-esteem breeds narcissism, bullying, and prejudice.

    Kristin is a professor of Educational Psychology at the University of Texas at Austin. She’s also a prominent expert on the topic of self-compassion, which her research has found to be much more effective than self-esteem in helping people flourish. In this episode, she shares what makes self-compassion different from self-esteem, how to cultivate it, and how it can help us to flourish amidst stress, suffering, and everyday life. We also hear briefly from psychiatrist and author Curt Thompson illuminating the negative neurobiological effects of shame while Kristen explains how self compassion can remedy these effects.

    Show Notes:

    Similar episodes

    Tara Brach: Radical Acceptance

    Judith Moskowitz: How to Flourish Amidst Stress

    Alfie Kohn: Why You Shouldn’t Punish–or Reward–Your Kids

    Curt Thompson: The Soul of Shame

    Resources mentioned this episode

    Self-Compassion by Kristin Neff

    Fierce Self-Compassion by Kristin Neff

    Self-Compassion.org

    Why Self-Compassion Works Better than Self-Esteem

    PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

    Transcript for Abridged Episode

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    157: Kristin Neff: The Power of Self-Compassion (Best of NSE) May 23, 2024
    Show notes

    Is high self-esteem crucial to human flourishing, or, rather, a hindrance?

    “The biggest problem with self-esteem is that it tends to be contingent,” says Kristin Neff. “We only feel good about ourselves when we succeed.” Far too often, high self-esteem breeds narcissism, bullying, and prejudice.

    Kristin is a professor of Educational Psychology at the University of Texas at Austin. She’s also a prominent expert on the topic of self-compassion, which her research has found to be much more effective than self-esteem in helping people flourish. In this episode, she shares what makes self-compassion different from self-esteem, how to cultivate it, and how it can help us to flourish amidst stress, suffering, and everyday life. We also hear briefly from psychiatrist and author Curt Thompson illuminating the negative neurobiological effects of shame while Kristen explains how self compassion can remedy these effects.

    Show Notes:

    Similar episodes

    Tara Brach: Radical Acceptance

    Judith Moskowitz: How to Flourish Amidst Stress

    Alfie Kohn: Why You Shouldn’t Punish–or Reward–Your Kids

    Curt Thompson: The Soul of Shame

    Resources mentioned this episode

    Self-Compassion by Kristin Neff

    Fierce Self-Compassion by Kristin Neff

    Self-Compassion.org

    Why Self-Compassion Works Better than Self-Esteem

    PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

    Transcription Link

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    156: Unabridged Interview: Amy-Jill Levine May 21, 2024
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    This is our unabridged episode with Amy-Jill Levine.

    What happens when you get a self-dubbed “yankee Jewish feminist” talking about Jesus?

    Turns out, you get a fascinating conversation leaving folks of all faiths and worldviews with much to think about.

    Amy-Jill Levine is a brilliant professor of New Testament, and, perhaps surprisingly, a practicing Jew. In this episode, she uses her knowledge of Jewish culture to highlight common mis-readings of the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus’s stance on societal and gender norms, and how “Christian fragility” can impede one’s ability to address religious and social questions honestly.

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    Similar episodes

    Amy-Jill Levine: Jewish, Yankee Feminist, New Testament Professor

    John Dear: Taking the Beatitudes Seriously

    N.T. Wright and the Bancroft Brothers: Theology and Poetry

    Jesuitical: How Young Catholics See the World

    Resources mentioned this episode

    Sermon on the Mount: A Beginners Guide to the Kingdom of Heaven by Amy-Jill Levine

    PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

    Transcript for Abridged Episode

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    156: Amy-Jill Levine: A Jewish Take on Jesus (Best of NSE) May 16, 2024
    Show notes

    What happens when you get a self-dubbed “yankee Jewish feminist” talking about Jesus?

    Turns out, you get a fascinating conversation leaving folks of all faiths and worldviews with much to think about.

    Amy-Jill Levine is a brilliant professor of New Testament, and, perhaps surprisingly, a practicing Jew. In this episode, she uses her knowledge of Jewish culture to highlight common mis-readings of the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus’s stance on societal and gender norms, and how “Christian fragility” can impede one’s ability to address religious and social questions honestly.

    Show Notes:

    Similar episodes

    Amy-Jill Levine: Jewish, Yankee Feminist, New Testament Professor

    John Dear: Taking the Beatitudes Seriously

    N.T. Wright and the Bancroft Brothers: Theology and Poetry

    Jesuitical: How Young Catholics See the World

    Resources mentioned this episode

    Sermon on the Mount: A Beginners Guide to the Kingdom of Heaven by Amy-Jill Levine

    PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

    Transcription Link

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    155: Unabridged Interview: Angela Williams Gorrell May 14, 2024
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    This is our unabridged interview with Angela Williams Gorrell.

    What is joy? Is it equatable with happiness, or pleasure, or both? Is it to be found in a career, or a romantic partner, or a religion? And if we were to manage it, would our lives forever be free from sorrow, pain, and suffering?

    In this episode, author and professor Angela Williams Gorrell, who was teaching a class on joy at Yale when she lost three people that she loved in a four-week span, describes her personal experience of finding joy amidst loss.

    Show Notes:

    Similar episodes

    Philip Yancey: Where the Light Fell

    Azim Khamisa: Ending Violence Through Forgiveness

    Kelly Corrigan: How Vulnerability Leads to Connection

    William Paul Young: Author of The Shack

    Christian Wiman: The Opposite of Faith is Certainty

    Resources mentioned this episode

    The Gravity of Joy by Angela Williams Gorrell

    The Epidemic of Despair

    PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes - Angela Williams Gorrell

    Link to Transcript for Abridged Episode

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    155: Angela Williams Gorrell and Miroslav Volf: On Joy and Sorrow (Best of NSE) May 09, 2024
    Show notes

    What is joy? Is it equatable with happiness, or pleasure, or both? Is it to be found in a career, or a romantic partner, or a religion? And if we were to manage it, would our lives forever be free from sorrow, pain, and suffering?

    In this episode, two guests discuss joy, describing both what it is and, perhaps more importantly, what it is not. Author and professor Angela Williams Gorrell, who was teaching a class on joy at Yale when she lost three people that she loved in a four-week span, describes her personal experience of finding joy amidst loss. And Yale theologian Miroslav Volf, himself no stranger to suffering growing up in a war torn country, explains the connection between joy and sorrow.

    Show Notes:

    Similar episodes

    Philip Yancey: Where the Light Fell

    Azim Khamisa: Ending Violence Through Forgiveness

    Kelly Corrigan: How Vulnerability Leads to Connection

    William Paul Young: Author of The Shack

    Christian Wiman: The Opposite of Faith is Certainty

    Resources mentioned this episode

    The Gravity of Joy by Angela Williams Gorrell

    The Epidemic of Despair

    PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes - Angela Williams Gorrell

    Transcription Link

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