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    No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp – Tokens Media

    What does it really mean to live a good life—in our politics, our faith, our work, and our relationships?

    On No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp, we explore the ideas, practices, and public debates that shape human flourishing today. Each week you’ll hear thought-provoking conversations with bestselling authors, philosophers, neuroscientists, psychologists, theologians, artists, and political leaders—people wrestling with the biggest questions of meaning and purpose in our time.

    Together we ask:

    How can religion be a force for healing instead of division?

    What does neuroscience reveal about happiness, habits, and productivity?

    Where do politics and justice meet the pursuit of the common good?

    How do truth, beauty, and goodness help us live well—personally and collectively?

    If you care about faith, politics, social justice, science, or the search for meaning, you’ll find courageous, practical conversations here. Because pursuing a meaningful life is no small endeavor—and we’re with you on the road.

    Learn more at nosmallendeavor.com.

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    169: Jerry Mitchell: Murder, Race, and Faith (Best of NSE) Aug 15, 2024
    Show notes

    In the 1990s, investigative journalist Jerry Mitchell started working on a handful of closed murder cases from the Civil Rights Era which he believed were never brought to justice. Since then, Jerry’s work has led to 24 convictions in Civil Rights murder cases.

    In this episode, he tells some of the most jaw-dropping stories from his life’s work, from the discovery of sealed spy records which reveal government involvement in racial murder, to interviews with klansmen who made threats on his life.

    “Them trying to threaten me really made me more determined to do it than ever,” he says. “A life of fear is not worth living.”

    Show Notes

    Resources mentioned this episode:

    "Mississippi Burning" (1988)

    "Race Against Time: A Reporter Reopens the Unsolved Murder Cases of the Civil Rights Era"

    Similar No Small Endeavor episodes:

    Dr. Fred Gray: Doing Justice Alongside MLK and Rosa Parks

    Eddie Glaude: On James Baldwin’s America

    Robert Jones: White Too Long


    Transcription Link

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    168: Unabridged Interview: Clay Hobbs Aug 13, 2024
    Show notes

    This is our unabridged episode with Clay Hobbs.

    What if you knew you had one year left to live? With just 365 days left on earth, how would you spend them?

    After a terminal cancer diagnosis, host Lee C. Camp’s friend Clay Hobbs was faced with this exact question. Doctors estimated he would die before the year was out, and Clay took them literally. He chose a date, marked it on a calendar, and began planning accordingly.

    In today’s intimate episode, Lee shares several conversations with Clay in the last year of his life. The friends discuss coming to terms with a terminal diagnosis, saying goodbye, and how the practice of facing death may help us all lead more intentional lives.

    Show Notes

    Resources mentioned this episode:

    On Death And Dying - Elisabeth Kübler-Ross

    Rapt: Attention and the Focused Life - Winifred Gallagher

    Similar No Small Endeavor episodes:

    Oliver Burkeman: Time Management for Mortals

    Burying 250 Friends: Greg Boyle on Community Amidst Gang Violence

    The Opposite of Faith is Certainty: Christian Wiman

    Dacher Keltner: How Awe Will Transform Your Life

    Transcript for Abridged Episode


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    168: Clay Hobbs: The Wisdom of Numbering Your Days Aug 08, 2024
    Show notes

    What if you knew you had one year left to live? With just 365 days left on earth, how would you spend them?

    After a terminal cancer diagnosis, host Lee C. Camp’s friend Clay Hobbs was faced with this exact question. Doctors estimated he would die before the year was out, and Clay took them literally. He chose a date, marked it on a calendar, and began planning accordingly.

    In today’s intimate episode, Lee shares several conversations with Clay in the last year of his life. The friends discuss coming to terms with a terminal diagnosis, saying goodbye, and how the practice of facing death may help us all lead more intentional lives.

    Show Notes

    Resources mentioned this episode:

    On Death And Dying - Elisabeth Kübler-Ross

    Rapt: Attention and the Focused Life - Winifred Gallagher

    Similar No Small Endeavor episodes:

    Oliver Burkeman: Time Management for Mortals

    Burying 250 Friends: Greg Boyle on Community Amidst Gang Violence

    The Opposite of Faith is Certainty: Christian Wiman

    Dacher Keltner: How Awe Will Transform Your Life

    Transcription Link


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    Subscribe to episodes: Apple | Spotify | Amazon | Google | YouTube
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    167: Unabridged Interview: Amishi Jha Aug 06, 2024
    Show notes

    Our guest today says that for 50% of our lives, we are not paying attention to what we’re doing.

    In today’s fast-paced, technology-driven world, many of us are coming to terms with the fact that our capacity for paying attention is laughably weak. Our work, mental health, and relationships suffer because of it. But what if there was a tried-and-true way to change this, something like “push-ups for your brain?”

    Neuroscientist Amishi Jha has dedicated her career to studying this question, and the results are in. In this episode, she describes the practice of mindfulness meditation - why it can work for everyone (not just the spiritual folks), and how it only takes 12 minutes each day to reach one’s “Peak Mind.”

    Show Notes

    Resources mentioned this episode:

    Peak Mind by Amishi Jha

    Similar No Small Endeavor episodes:

    Naomi Shihab Nye: The Life Changing Benefits of Paying Attention

    Charles Duhigg: The Power of Habit

    Kristin Neff: The Power of Self-Compassion

    Dacher Keltner: How Awe Will Transform Your Life

    PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

    Transcript for Abridged Episode


    JOIN NSE+ Today! Our subscriber only community with bonus episodes, ad-free listening, and discounts on live shows

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    167: Amishi Jha: Push-ups for Your Brain Aug 01, 2024
    Show notes

    Our guest today says that for 50% of our lives, we are not paying attention to what we’re doing.

    In today’s fast-paced, technology-driven world, many of us are coming to terms with the fact that our capacity for paying attention is laughably weak. Our work, mental health, and relationships suffer because of it. But what if there was a tried-and-true way to change this, something like “push-ups for your brain?”

    Neuroscientist Amishi Jha has dedicated her career to studying this question, and the results are in. In this episode, she describes the practice of mindfulness meditation - why it can work for everyone (not just the spiritual folks), and how it only takes 12 minutes each day to reach one’s “Peak Mind.”

    Show Notes

    Resources mentioned this episode:

    Peak Mind by Amishi Jha

    Similar No Small Endeavor episodes:

    Naomi Shihab Nye: The Life Changing Benefits of Paying Attention

    Charles Duhigg: The Power of Habit

    Kristin Neff: The Power of Self-Compassion

    Dacher Keltner: How Awe Will Transform Your Life

    PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

    Transcription Link


    JOIN NSE+ Today! Our subscriber only community with bonus episodes, ad-free listening, and discounts on live shows

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    166: Unabridged Interview: Shai Held Jul 30, 2024
    Show notes

    This is our unabridged interview with Rabbi Shai Held.

    “I think part of what it means to live in an honest way with a religious tradition is to live with its ragged edges.”

    It’s not unusual to assume that one of religion's prime functions is to give us answers. But what if some of life’s hardest questions weren’t meant to be answered, but rather perpetually asked?

    In this episode, Rabbi Shai Held, author of the book, "Judaism is About Love: Recovering the Heart of Jewish Life,” exemplifies this possibility, engaging the messiness and joy of life with honest grappling. He argues that some Jews have internalized traditional anti-Jewish bias and he seeks to help recover what has been lost. He shows that love and grace are at the center of a good life.


    Show Notes

    Resources mentioned this episode:

    Judaism Is About Love by Shai Held

    Similar No Small Endeavor episodes:

    Amy-Jill Levine: A Jewish Take on Jesus

    Jesuitical: How Young Catholics See the World

    Miroslav Volf: A Theology of Joy

    Pete Enns and Jared Byas: The Bible for Normal People

    PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

    Transcript for Abridged Episode


    JOIN NSE+ Today! Our subscriber only community with bonus episodes, ad-free listening, and discounts on live shows

    Subscribe to episodes: Apple | Spotify | Amazon | Google | YouTube
    Follow Us: Instagram | Twitter | Facebook | YouTube
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    166: Shai Held: Judaism Is About Love Jul 25, 2024
    Show notes

    “I think part of what it means to live in an honest way with a religious tradition is to live with its ragged edges.”

    It’s not unusual to assume that one of religion's prime functions is to give us answers. But what if some of life’s hardest questions weren’t meant to be answered, but rather perpetually asked?

    In this episode, Rabbi Shai Held, author of the book, "Judaism is About Love: Recovering the Heart of Jewish Life,” exemplifies this possibility, engaging the messiness and joy of life with honest grappling. He argues that some Jews have internalized traditional anti-Jewish bias and he seeks to help recover what has been lost. He shows that love and grace are at the center of a good life.


    Show Notes

    Resources mentioned this episode:

    Judaism Is About Love by Shai Held

    Similar No Small Endeavor episodes:

    Amy-Jill Levine: A Jewish Take on Jesus

    Jesuitical: How Young Catholics See the World

    Miroslav Volf: A Theology of Joy

    Pete Enns and Jared Byas: The Bible for Normal People

    PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

    Episode Transcript


    JOIN NSE+ Today! Our subscriber only community with bonus episodes, ad-free listening, and discounts on live shows

    Subscribe to episodes: Apple | Spotify | Amazon | Google | YouTube
    Follow Us: Instagram | Twitter | Facebook | YouTube
    Follow Lee: Instagram | Twitter
    Join our Email List: nosmallendeavor.com

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    165: Unabridged Interview: Peter Enns and Jared Byas Jul 23, 2024
    Show notes

    This is our unabridged interview with Pete Enns and Jared Byas.

    “It was our curiosity about the Bible that is now leading to conclusions that are no longer welcome in these institutions.”
    Pete Enns and Jared Byas host The Bible for Normal People, a podcast which is loved by some, lambasted by others. They started it as a way to have honest conversations about the Bible, for folks both religious and non-religious -- conversations that cost them both previous jobs at religious institutions.
    In this episode, they discuss the complexity of the Bible, and what their work has taught them about courage, curiosity, humility, and the dangers of certainty.


    Show Notes

    Resources mentioned this episode:

    The Sin of Certainty by Pete Enns

    How the Bible Actually Works by Pete Enns

    Love Matters More by Jared Byas

    The Bible for Normal People

    PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

    Transcript for Abridged Episode

    Similar No Small Endeavor episodes:

    Amy-Jill Levine: A Jewish Take on Jesus

    Jesuitical: How Young Catholics See the World

    N.T. Wright and the Bancroft Brothers: Theology and Poetry


    JOIN NSE+ Today! Our subscriber only community with bonus episodes, ad-free listening, and discounts on live shows

    Subscribe to episodes: Apple | Spotify | Amazon | Google | YouTube
    Follow Us: Instagram | Twitter | Facebook | YouTube
    Follow Lee: Instagram | Twitter
    Join our Email List: nosmallendeavor.com

    See Privacy Policy: Privacy Policy

    Amazon Affiliate Disclosure: Tokens Media, LLC is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com.

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    165: Pete Enns and Jared Byas: The Bible for Normal People Jul 18, 2024
    Show notes

    “It was our curiosity about the Bible that is now leading to conclusions that are no longer welcome in these institutions.”
    Pete Enns and Jared Byas host The Bible for Normal People, a podcast which is loved by some, lambasted by others. They started it as a way to have honest conversations about the Bible, for folks both religious and non-religious -- conversations that cost them both previous jobs at religious institutions.
    In this episode, they discuss the complexity of the Bible, and what their work has taught them about courage, curiosity, humility, and the dangers of certainty.


    Show Notes

    Resources mentioned this episode:

    The Sin of Certainty by Pete Enns

    How the Bible Actually Works by Pete Enns

    Love Matters More by Jared Byas

    The Bible for Normal People

    PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

    Transcription Link

    Similar No Small Endeavor episodes:

    Amy-Jill Levine: A Jewish Take on Jesus

    Jesuitical: How Young Catholics See the World

    N.T. Wright and the Bancroft Brothers: Theology and Poetry


    JOIN NSE+ Today! Our subscriber only community with bonus episodes, ad-free listening, and discounts on live shows

    Subscribe to episodes: Apple | Spotify | Amazon | Google | YouTube
    Follow Us: Instagram | Twitter | Facebook | YouTube
    Follow Lee: Instagram | Twitter
    Join our Email List: nosmallendeavor.com

    See Privacy Policy: Privacy Policy

    Amazon Affiliate Disclosure: Tokens Media, LLC is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com.

    Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices


    164: Unabridged Interview: Stanley Hauerwas (Part II) Jul 16, 2024
    Show notes

    This is our unabridged interview with Stanley Hauerwas (Part II).

    “This is my life. I want no other.”

    Time Magazine has recognized Stanley Hauerwas as the best theologian in America. But you don’t get that title by making everybody happy. Stanley's enigmatic personality is loved by some, lambasted by others. His dogged pacifism is laced with profanity. He’s a stereotypical Texan, but is a vocal opponent of gun ownership. Many think him to be a liberal, but he disavows liberalism. Others call him conservative, but his extreme dislike for evangelicalism and war-making dispute that claim.

    Wherever you're coming from, you're in for a disarmingly candid episode on one man's life in his own words, a life spent relentlessly seeking the nature of a good life.

    Show Notes:

    Resources mentioned this episode

    Hannah’s Child by Stanley Hauerwas

    John Dear NSE Interview

    PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

    Transcript for Abridged Episode

    JOIN NSE+ Today! Our subscriber only community with bonus episodes, ad-free listening, and discounts on live shows

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