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    No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp – Tokens Media

    What does it really mean to live a good life—in our politics, our faith, our work, and our relationships?

    On No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp, we explore the ideas, practices, and public debates that shape human flourishing today. Each week you’ll hear thought-provoking conversations with bestselling authors, philosophers, neuroscientists, psychologists, theologians, artists, and political leaders—people wrestling with the biggest questions of meaning and purpose in our time.

    Together we ask:

    How can religion be a force for healing instead of division?

    What does neuroscience reveal about happiness, habits, and productivity?

    Where do politics and justice meet the pursuit of the common good?

    How do truth, beauty, and goodness help us live well—personally and collectively?

    If you care about faith, politics, social justice, science, or the search for meaning, you’ll find courageous, practical conversations here. Because pursuing a meaningful life is no small endeavor—and we’re with you on the road.

    Learn more at nosmallendeavor.com.

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    179: Christian Wiman: Poetry Against Despair Oct 24, 2024
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    “Suffering, I think, catalyzes an intimacy that couldn't happen otherwise.”

    Christian Wiman, renowned poet and teacher at Yale Divinity School, does not say these words flippantly. Two decades ago, he was diagnosed with a rare form of cancer and given a life expectancy of five years. He has lived the past twenty years in the shadow of death and the grip of despair.

    In this episode, while discussing his recent memoir “Zero at the Bone: Fifty Entries Against Despair,” Christian explores faith, doubt, joy, and sorrow in the way only a great poet can, taking the stuff of life - the mundane, confusing, chaotic, and tragic - and making meaning out of it.


    Show Notes

    Resources mentioned this episode:

    "Zero at the Bone" by Christian Wiman

    "My Bright Abyss" by Christian Wiman


    Similar NSE episodes:

    Christian Wiman: The Opposite of Faith is Certainty

    Pádraig Ó Tuama: A Poet’s Work in Peace and Reconciliation

    Clay Hobbs: The Wisdom of Numbering Your Days

    Angela Williams Gorrell and Miroslav Volf: On Joy and Sorrow

    Transcription Link

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    178: Unabridged Interview: Russell Moore and David French Oct 22, 2024
    Show notes

    This is our unabridged interview with Russell Moore and David French.


    For the last decade of American political discourse, both the Left and the Right have each been developing fierce tribalism, in which it is increasingly costly for one to wage critique at one’s own group. Threats of canceling, doxing, and worse are everyday occurrences for those who speak out of step with their party.

    Russell Moore and David French have been in the dangerous business of insider critique for a while. As conservative Christians, their criticism of the Right (specifically of Donald Trump) has cost them friends, careers, and safety.

    In this episode, they discuss why they continue to do the work they do, offering insight on the landscape of politics and religion, and how we might re-frame the way we do discourse.


    Show Notes

    Resources mentioned this episode:

    The After Party

    "The After Party: Toward Better Christian Politics"


    Similar NSE episodes:

    Tim Alberta: The Kingdom, the Power, and the Glory

    Kristin Du Mez Sits with David French

    David French: Conservatism Without Trumpism

    Russell Moore: Against, and For, the Tribe

    PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

    Transcript of Abridged Episode

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    178: Russell Moore and David French: How Should Christians Do Politics? Oct 17, 2024
    Show notes

    For the last decade of American political discourse, both the Left and the Right have each been developing fierce tribalism, in which it is increasingly costly for one to wage critique at one’s own group. Threats of canceling, doxing, and worse are everyday occurrences for those who speak out of step with their party.

    Russell Moore and David French have been in the dangerous business of insider critique for a while. As conservative Christians, their criticism of the Right (specifically of Donald Trump) has cost them friends, careers, and safety.

    In this episode, they discuss why they continue to do the work they do, offering insight on the landscape of politics and religion, and how we might re-frame the way we do discourse.


    Show Notes

    Resources mentioned this episode:

    The After Party

    "The After Party: Toward Better Christian Politics"


    Similar NSE episodes:

    Tim Alberta: The Kingdom, the Power, and the Glory

    Kristin Du Mez Sits with David French

    David French: Conservatism Without Trumpism

    Russell Moore: Against, and For, the Tribe

    PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

    Transcription Link

    Want more NSE? JOIN NSE+ Today! Our subscriber only community with bonus episodes designed specifically to help you live a good life, ad-free listening, and discounts on live shows

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    177: Unabridged Interview: Musa al-Gharbi Oct 15, 2024
    Show notes

    This is our unabridged interview with Musa al-Gharbi.


    Society has never been more focused on equality and diversity… right?

    The last few decades have been marked by a drastic increase in what often gets labeled “social justice.” Companies and individuals perpetually take very public vows to defend progressive values and denounce all kinds of injustice. But somehow, in spite of all this, social and economic inequalities have only worsened. How is this possible?

    “The fundamental tension,” argues Musa al-Gharbi, “is that while a lot of us are committed to social justice, we also really want to be elites.” Musa makes the case that an excess of public symbolic gestures has created a backwards world where justice is preached but rarely done, offering a sharp critique of the ways many of us, on all sides of politics and culture, have used social justice as a subtle way to serve ourselves.


    Show Notes

    Resources:

    "We Have Never Been Woke" by Musa al-Gharbi


    Similar NSE episodes:

    Eboo Patel: Field Notes for Diverse Democracy

    Patrick Deneen: Why Liberalism Failed

    Ben Cohen and Jay Jakub: Ben and Jerry’s and a Better Capitalism

    Christian Miller: We’re Not as Good (or Bad) as We Think We Are


    PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

    Transcript of Abridged Episode


    Want more NSE? JOIN NSE+ Today! Our subscriber only community with bonus episodes designed specifically to help you live a good life, ad-free listening, and discounts on live shows

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    177: Musa al-Gharbi: We Have Never Been Woke Oct 10, 2024
    Show notes

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    Society has never been more focused on equality and diversity… right?

    The last few decades have been marked by a drastic increase in what often gets labeled “social justice.” Companies and individuals perpetually take very public vows to defend progressive values and denounce all kinds of injustice. But somehow, in spite of all this, social and economic inequalities have only worsened. How is this possible?

    “The fundamental tension,” argues Musa al-Gharbi, “is that while a lot of us are committed to social justice, we also really want to be elites.” Musa makes the case that an excess of public symbolic gestures has created a backwards world where justice is preached but rarely done, offering a sharp critique of the ways many of us, on all sides of politics and culture, have used social justice as a subtle way to serve ourselves.


    Show Notes

    Resources mentioned:

    "We Have Never Been Woke" by Musa al-Gharbi


    Similar NSE episodes:

    Eboo Patel: Field Notes for Diverse Democracy

    Patrick Deneen: Why Liberalism Failed

    Ben Cohen and Jay Jakub: Ben and Jerry’s and a Better Capitalism

    Christian Miller: We’re Not as Good (or Bad) as We Think We Are


    PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

    Transcription Link


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    176: Unabridged Interview: Carissa Carter and Scott Doorley Oct 08, 2024
    Show notes

    This is our unabridged interview with Carissa Carter & Scott Doorley.

    We live in an era of runaway design, where tech that seemed to solve our problems has gone on to cause unintended consequences. Think about social media’s effect on our collective mental health. Or the once miraculous material known as plastic becoming an environmental hazard. But we can’t predict the future, so what can we do?

    In this episode, designers from Stanford’s d.school, Carissa Carter & Scott Doorley, discuss their book “Assembling Tomorrow,” which thinks uniquely about design and offers ideas and practices for building and engaging with technology in a way that helps us flourish.


    Show Notes

    Resources:

    "Assembling Tomorrow" by Carissa Carter and Scott Doorley

    "The Technological Society" by Jacques Ellul


    Similar NSE episodes:

    Anna Lembke and John Mark Comer: The Price of the Pursuit of Pleasure

    Meghan O’Gieblyn: Will AI Destroy Humanity?

    David Brooks: Can We Save Society by Knowing Each Other?


    PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

    Transcript of Abridged Episode


    Want more NSE? JOIN NSE+ Today! Our subscriber only community with bonus episodes designed specifically to help you live a good life, ad-free listening, and discounts on live shows

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    176: Carissa Carter and Scott Doorley: Assembling Tomorrow Oct 03, 2024
    Show notes

    We live in an era of runaway design, where tech that once seemed to solve all of our problems has gone on to cause unintended consequences. Think about social media’s effect on our collective mental health. Or the once miraculous material known as plastic becoming an environmental hazard. But we can’t predict the future, so what can we do?

    In this episode, designers from Stanford’s d.school, Carissa Carter and Scott Doorley, discuss their book “Assembling Tomorrow,” which thinks quite uniquely about design and offers ideas and practices for building and engaging with technology in a way that helps us flourish.


    Show Notes

    Resources mentioned this episode:

    "Assembling Tomorrow" by Carissa Carter and Scott Doorley

    "The Technological Society" by Jacques Ellul


    Similar No Small Endeavor episodes:

    Anna Lembke and John Mark Comer: The Price of the Pursuit of Pleasure

    Meghan O’Gieblyn: Will AI Destroy Humanity?

    David Brooks: Can We Save Society by Knowing Each Other?


    PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

    Transcription Link


    Want more NSE? JOIN NSE+ Today! Our subscriber only community with bonus episodes designed specifically to help you live a good life, ad-free listening, and discounts on live shows

    Subscribe to episodes: Apple | Spotify | Amazon | YouTube
    Follow Us: Instagram | Twitter | Facebook | YouTube
    Follow Lee: Instagram | Twitter
    Join our Email List: nosmallendeavor.com

    See Privacy Policy: Privacy Policy

    Amazon Affiliate Disclosure: Tokens Media, LLC is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com.

    Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices


    175: Unabridged Interview: Greg Boyle Oct 01, 2024
    Show notes

    This is our unabridged interview with Greg Boyle.


    How do you become truly loving? Father Greg Boyle teaches us to go to the margins. “You don't go to the margins to make a difference. You go so the folks at the margins make you different.”

    In the 80s and 90s, the city of Los Angeles was ravaged by what is now known as the "decade of death," a period of unprecedented gang violence, peaking at 1000 killings in 1992 alone. It was in the midst of this that Greg Boyle became pastor of the poorest Catholic parish in the city, in order to live and work amongst gang members.

    He started Homeboy Industries, now the largest gang-member rehabilitation program in the world. In this episode, he tells some breathtaking stories, offering wisdom from a life lived in community with those who society neglects.


    Notes

    Resources:

    "Cherished Belonging" by Greg Boyle

    "Tattoos on the Heart" by Greg Boyle

    "Barking to the Choir" by Greg Boyle

    Homeboy Industries


    Similar NSE episodes:

    John Dear: Taking the Beatitudes Seriously

    Curt Thompson: The Power of Being Known

    Pádraig Ó Tuama: The Facts of Life


    Transcript


    JOIN NSE+ Today! Our subscriber only community with bonus episodes, ad-free listening, and discounts on live shows

    Subscribe to episodes: Apple | Spotify | Amazon | Google | YouTube
    Follow Us: Instagram | Twitter | Facebook | YouTube
    Follow Lee: Instagram | Twitter
    Join our Email List: nosmallendeavor.com

    See Privacy Policy: Privacy Policy

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    175: Greg Boyle: Cherished Belonging (Best of NSE) Sep 26, 2024
    Show notes

    How do you become truly loving? Father Greg Boyle teaches us to go to the margins. “You don't go to the margins to make a difference. You go so the folks at the margins make you different.”

    In the 80s and 90s, the city of Los Angeles was ravaged by what is now known as the "decade of death," a period of unprecedented gang violence, peaking at 1000 killings in 1992 alone. It was in the midst of this that Greg Boyle became pastor of the poorest Catholic parish in the city, in order to live and work amongst gang members.

    He started Homeboy Industries, now the largest gang-member rehabilitation program in the world. In this episode, he tells some breathtaking stories, offering wisdom from a life lived in community with those who society neglects.


    Show Notes

    Resources mentioned this episode:

    "Cherished Belonging" by Greg Boyle

    "Tattoos on the Heart" by Greg Boyle

    "Barking to the Choir" by Greg Boyle

    Homeboy Industries


    Similar No Small Endeavor episodes:

    John Dear: Taking the Beatitudes Seriously

    Curt Thompson: The Power of Being Known

    Pádraig Ó Tuama: The Facts of Life


    Transcription Link


    JOIN NSE+ Today! Our subscriber only community with bonus episodes, ad-free listening, and discounts on live shows

    Subscribe to episodes: Apple | Spotify | Amazon | Google | YouTube
    Follow Us: Instagram | Twitter | Facebook | YouTube
    Follow Lee: Instagram | Twitter
    Join our Email List: nosmallendeavor.com

    See Privacy Policy: Privacy Policy

    Amazon Affiliate Disclosure: Tokens Media, LLC is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com.

    Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices


    174: Unabridged Interview: Meghan O’Gieblyn Sep 24, 2024
    Show notes

    This is our unabridged interview with Meghan O’Gieblyn.

    Will technology change what it means to be human?

    Thanks to the rise and implementation of Artificial Intelligence (AI), the common sci-fi trope of a machine-perpetuated apocalypse has taken on a new gravity in recent days. But is Chat GPT really going to rebel against humans, or even change things very much at all?

    “We're at the point where we do have technologies that are incredibly powerful,” says writer and commentator Meghan O’Gieblyn. “They're able to do things that they weren't programmed to do.”

    In this episode, Meghan discusses AI in great detail, and lays out what she believes to be the social, political, ethical, and even theological issues at stake as humanity learns to live with new technology.


    Show Notes

    Resources:

    Meghan’s Website

    'God, Human, Animal, Machine' by Meghan O’Gieblyn


    Similar NSE Episodes:

    The Price of the Pursuit of Pleasure: Anna Lembke

    The Most Polarized Issue in the United States: Katharine Hayhoe

    Beyond Fake News: Justin McBrayer


    PDF of Lee's Interview Notes

    Transcript of Abridged Episode


    JOIN NSE+ Today! Our subscriber only community with bonus episodes, ad-free listening, and discounts on live shows

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    Follow Us: Instagram | Twitter | Facebook | YouTube
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