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    No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp – Tokens Media

    What does it really mean to live a good life—in our politics, our faith, our work, and our relationships?

    On No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp, we explore the ideas, practices, and public debates that shape human flourishing today. Each week you’ll hear thought-provoking conversations with bestselling authors, philosophers, neuroscientists, psychologists, theologians, artists, and political leaders—people wrestling with the biggest questions of meaning and purpose in our time.

    Together we ask:

    How can religion be a force for healing instead of division?

    What does neuroscience reveal about happiness, habits, and productivity?

    Where do politics and justice meet the pursuit of the common good?

    How do truth, beauty, and goodness help us live well—personally and collectively?

    If you care about faith, politics, social justice, science, or the search for meaning, you’ll find courageous, practical conversations here. Because pursuing a meaningful life is no small endeavor—and we’re with you on the road.

    Learn more at nosmallendeavor.com.

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    184: Peter Levine: How the Body Holds and Heals Trauma Nov 28, 2024
    Show notes

    “In order to really move through trauma,” says Peter Levine, “we have to do that in the body.”

    As a psychologist with much of his own trauma to work through, Peter has spent his career researching ways to help himself and others come to healing and wholeness. In this episode, he discusses his memoir “An Autobiography of Trauma,” in which he uses his own life story to illustrate his findings.

    From a standing meeting with an imagined Albert Einstein, to a host of life-changing dreams, listen as he shares how both his professional research and mystical personal experience have taught him much about the ways our bodies hold trauma, and how we can learn to pay attention to our lives and find healing.


    Show Notes

    Resources mentioned this episode:

    "An Autobiography of Trauma: A Healing Journey" by Peter Levine

    "Waking the Tiger: Healing Trauma" by Peter Levine


    Similar NSE episodes:

    Amishi Jha: Push-ups for Your Brain

    Kristin Neff: The Power of Self-Compassion

    Tara Brach: Radical Acceptance

    Curt Thompson: The Soul of Shame

    PDF of Lee's Interview Notes

    Transcription Link

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    183: Unabridged Interview: Malcolm Gladwell Nov 26, 2024
    Show notes

    This is our unabridged interview with Malcolm Gladwell and Tracy K. Smith


    To prepare for family dinners and political conversations this holiday season, two guests offer us new ways of being humble and curious.

    First, well-known thinker and author Malcolm Gladwell reveals why we must learn humility if we are to understand each other. “Humility is a habit,” he says. “Habit is a really important word, because if it's a habit, it means it's something that you have to practice.” Then, former U.S. Poet Laureate Tracy K. Smith offers powerful poems that invite us to acknowledge the full, complex, and beautiful worth of the human beings we encounter.

    In this episode, listen closely for multiple ways we can cultivate humility, be curious, and have compassion despite our disagreements and differences.


    Show Notes

    Resources mentioned this episode:

    "The Tipping Point: How Little Things Can Make a Big Difference" by Malcolm Gladwell


    Similar NSE episodes:

    Malcolm Gladwell: Becoming Malcolm

    Tracy K. Smith and Marie Howe: Poetry as Politics

    Thanksgiving Special: Conversation and Gratitude

    Transcript of Abridged Episode

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    183: Malcolm Gladwell and Tracy K. Smith: Can Curiosity Save Your Holidays? Nov 21, 2024
    Show notes

    To prepare for family dinners and political conversations this holiday season, two guests offer us new ways of being humble and curious.

    First, well-known thinker and author Malcolm Gladwell reveals why we must learn humility if we are to understand each other. “Humility is a habit,” he says. “Habit is a really important word, because if it's a habit, it means it's something that you have to practice.” Then, former U.S. Poet Laureate Tracy K. Smith offers powerful poems that invite us to acknowledge the full, complex, and beautiful worth of the human beings we encounter.

    In this episode, listen closely for multiple ways we can cultivate humility, be curious, and have compassion despite our disagreements and differences.


    Show Notes

    Resources mentioned this episode:

    "The Tipping Point: How Little Things Can Make a Big Difference" by Malcolm Gladwell

    "Wade in the Water: Poems" by Tracy K. Smith


    Similar NSE episodes:

    Malcolm Gladwell: Becoming Malcolm

    Tracy K. Smith and Marie Howe: Poetry as Politics

    Thanksgiving Special: Conversation and Gratitude

    Transcription Link

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    182: Unabridged Interview: Kathryn Gin Lum Nov 19, 2024
    Show notes

    This is our unabridged interview with Kathryn Gin Lum.


    When is the last time you heard the word “heathen”? The word was originally used to delineate between European Christians who tended to be in urban centers and pagans in rural areas.

    “Heathen exists in the mind of the person doing the labeling, right? It's a label that one people foists onto another.”

    Our guest today, Kathryn Gin Lum, walks us through the history of the term heathen and how it has utterly shaped the world. We discuss her book Heathen: Religion and Race in American History. The idea behind the term was wielded as a weapon to justify colonization and enslavement, and though the term has fallen out of use, she says the mental map of the world it has created has not.


    Show Notes

    Resources mentioned this episode:

    "Heathen: Religion and Race in American History" by Kathryn Gin Lum

    "The Origin of Others (The Charles Eliot Norton Lectures)" by Toni Morrison


    Similar NSE episodes:

    Willie James Jennings: The Christian Imagination

    Eugene Cho Karen Korematsu: Fear, Home and the Asian-American Experience

    PDF of Lee's Interview Notes

    Transcript of Abridged Interview

    Want more NSE? JOIN NSE+ Today! Our subscriber only community with bonus episodes designed specifically to help you live a good life, ad-free listening, and discounts on live shows

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    182: Kathryn Gin Lum: How The Label Heathen Shaped the World Nov 14, 2024
    Show notes

    When is the last time you heard the word “heathen”? The word was originally used to delineate between European Christians who tended to be in urban centers and pagans in rural areas.

    “Heathen exists in the mind of the person doing the labeling, right? It's a label that one people foists onto another.”

    Our guest today, Kathryn Gin Lum, walks us through the history of the term heathen and how it has utterly shaped the world. We discuss her book Heathen: Religion and Race in American History. The idea behind the term was wielded as a weapon to justify colonization and enslavement, and though the term has fallen out of use, she says the mental map of the world it has created has not.


    Show Notes

    Resources mentioned this episode:

    "Heathen: Religion and Race in American History" by Kathryn Gin Lum

    "The Origin of Others (The Charles Eliot Norton Lectures)" by Toni Morrison


    Similar NSE episodes:

    Willie James Jennings: The Christian Imagination

    Eugene Cho and Karen Korematsu: Fear, Home and the Asian-American Experience

    PDF of Lee's Interview Notes

    Transcription Link

    Want more NSE? JOIN NSE+ Today! Our subscriber only community with bonus episodes designed specifically to help you live a good life, ad-free listening, and discounts on live shows

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    181: Unabridged Interview: Tim Shriver Nov 12, 2024
    Show notes

    This is our unabridged interview with Tim Shriver.


    On social media and the news, the narrative told about humanity is often one of violence, division, and dehumanization. But is that really who we are?

    Tim Shriver, best-selling author and chairman of the Special Olympics, doesn’t think so. “My view,” he says, “is that the versions of our lives that most of us lead most days are much more hopeful.”

    As the nephew of John F. Kennedy, Tim has known great privilege and great grief. As an educator and social worker, he has seen the countless ways that humans defy stereotypes and give grace and hope to one another. In this episode, he talks about why his life and career have led him to the conclusion that the key to a happy life is to live it for the flourishing of others.


    Show Notes

    Resources mentioned this episode:

    "Fully Alive: Discovering What Matters Most" by Tim Shriver

    Tim's Website

    "Need a Lift?" Podcast


    Similar NSE episodes:

    Greg Boyle: Cherished Belonging

    Martin Sheen: Actor and Activist

    Ben Cohen: Peace, Justice, Ice Cream

    PDF of Lee's Interview Notes

    Transcript of Abridged Episode

    Want more NSE? JOIN NSE+ Today! Our subscriber only community with bonus episodes designed specifically to help you live a good life, ad-free listening, and discounts on live shows

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    181: Tim Shriver: Living Life for Others Nov 07, 2024
    Show notes

    On social media and the news, the narrative told about humanity is often one of violence, division, and dehumanization. But is that really who we are?

    Tim Shriver, best-selling author and chairman of the Special Olympics, doesn’t think so. “My view,” he says, “is that the versions of our lives that most of us lead most days are much more hopeful.”

    As the nephew of John F. Kennedy, Tim has known great privilege and great grief. As an educator and social worker, he has seen the countless ways that humans defy stereotypes and give grace and hope to one another. In this episode, he talks about why his life and career have led him to the conclusion that the key to a happy life is to live it for the flourishing of others.


    Show Notes

    Resources mentioned this episode:

    "Fully Alive: Discovering What Matters Most" by Tim Shriver

    Tim's Website

    "Need a Lift?" Podcast


    Similar NSE episodes:

    Greg Boyle: Cherished Belonging

    Martin Sheen: Actor and Activist

    Ben Cohen: Peace, Justice, Ice Cream

    PDF of Lee's Interview Notes

    Transcription Link

    Want more NSE? JOIN NSE+ Today! Our subscriber only community with bonus episodes designed specifically to help you live a good life, ad-free listening, and discounts on live shows

    Subscribe to episodes: Apple | Spotify | Amazon | Google | YouTube
    Follow Us: Instagram | Twitter | Facebook | YouTube
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    Join our Email List: nosmallendeavor.com

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    Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices


    180: Unabridged Interview: Philip Mangano Nov 05, 2024
    Show notes

    This is our unabridged interview with Philip Mangano.


    Is homelessness a problem that can be solved?

    Historically, efforts made to address homelessness in the US have taken a symptom-management approach, focusing on soup kitchens, clothing drives, and medical programs. But these well-intentioned efforts often have a paradoxical effect: over time, they end up serving more and more homeless people, rather than reducing the number of those unhoused.

    In this episode, Philip Mangano describes his longtime effort to approach homelessness in a new way. “I took the abolitionist frame,” he says of his renowned Housing-First Initiative. “People were homeless, so the antidote must be a place to live.”


    Show Notes

    Resources mentioned this episode:

    "The Tipping Point" by Malcolm Gladwell

    "Good to Great" by Jim Collins

    "The Innovator’s Dilemma" by Clayton Christensen


    Similar NSE episodes:

    Malcolm Gladwell: Becoming Malcolm

    Charlie Strobel: Remembering a Life Well Lived

    Musa al-Gharbi: We Have Never Been Woke

    James Lawson: The Architect of the United States Civil Rights Movement

    PDF of Lee's Interview Notes

    Transcript of Abridged Episode

    Want more NSE? JOIN NSE+ Today! Our subscriber only community with bonus episodes designed specifically to help you live a good life, ad-free listening, and discounts on live shows

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    180: Philip Mangano: Abolishing Homelessness Oct 31, 2024
    Show notes

    Is homelessness a problem that can be solved?

    Historically, efforts made to address homelessness in the US have taken a symptom-management approach, focusing on soup kitchens, clothing drives, and medical programs. But these well-intentioned efforts often have a paradoxical effect: over time, they end up serving more and more homeless people, rather than reducing the number of those unhoused.

    In this episode, Philip Mangano describes his longtime effort to approach homelessness in a new way. “I took the abolitionist frame,” he says of his renowned Housing-First Initiative. “People were homeless, so the antidote must be a place to live.”


    Show Notes

    Resources mentioned this episode:

    "The Tipping Point" by Malcolm Gladwell

    "Good to Great" by Jim Collins

    "The Innovator’s Dilemma" by Clayton Christensen


    Similar NSE episodes:

    Malcolm Gladwell: Becoming Malcolm

    Charlie Strobel: Remembering a Life Well Lived

    Musa al-Gharbi: We Have Never Been Woke

    James Lawson: The Architect of the United States Civil Rights Movement

    PDF of Lee's Interview Notes

    Transcription Link

    Want more NSE? JOIN NSE+ Today! Our subscriber only community with bonus episodes designed specifically to help you live a good life, ad-free listening, and discounts on live shows

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    179: Unabridged Interview: Christian Wiman Oct 29, 2024
    Show notes

    This is our unabridged interview with Christian Wiman.


    “Suffering, I think, catalyzes an intimacy that couldn't happen otherwise.”

    Christian Wiman, renowned poet and teacher at Yale Divinity School, does not say these words flippantly. Two decades ago, he was diagnosed with a rare form of cancer and given a life expectancy of five years. He has lived the past twenty years in the shadow of death and the grip of despair.

    In this episode, while discussing his recent memoir “Zero at the Bone: Fifty Entries Against Despair,” Christian explores faith, doubt, joy, and sorrow in the way only a great poet can, taking the stuff of life - the mundane, confusing, chaotic, and tragic - and making meaning out of it.


    Show Notes

    Resources mentioned this episode:

    "Zero at the Bone" by Christian Wiman

    "My Bright Abyss" by Christian Wiman


    Similar NSE episodes:

    Christian Wiman: The Opposite of Faith is Certainty

    Pádraig Ó Tuama: A Poet’s Work in Peace and Reconciliation

    Clay Hobbs: The Wisdom of Numbering Your Days

    Angela Williams Gorrell and Miroslav Volf: On Joy and Sorrow

    Transcript of Abridged Episode

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