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    No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp – Tokens Media

    What does it really mean to live a good life—in our politics, our faith, our work, and our relationships?

    On No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp, we explore the ideas, practices, and public debates that shape human flourishing today. Each week you’ll hear thought-provoking conversations with bestselling authors, philosophers, neuroscientists, psychologists, theologians, artists, and political leaders—people wrestling with the biggest questions of meaning and purpose in our time.

    Together we ask:

    How can religion be a force for healing instead of division?

    What does neuroscience reveal about happiness, habits, and productivity?

    Where do politics and justice meet the pursuit of the common good?

    How do truth, beauty, and goodness help us live well—personally and collectively?

    If you care about faith, politics, social justice, science, or the search for meaning, you’ll find courageous, practical conversations here. Because pursuing a meaningful life is no small endeavor—and we’re with you on the road.

    Learn more at nosmallendeavor.com.

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    194: Shankar Vedantam: Hidden Brain Feb 03, 2025
    Show notes

    We all like to believe that we live our lives rationally, deliberately, consciously. But what if our conscious decision making is just the tip of the iceberg?

    “ I feel like I have a full picture of what's happening inside my own mind,” says Shankar Vedantam. But it turns out “there is a large portion of our mind that's working outside of our conscious awareness.”

    Shankar founded Hidden Brain Media in order to teach people what science has uncovered about our brains. In this episode, he discusses why we’re not as autonomous as we think we are, and the profound implications for the ways we act, think, and live.


    Show Notes

    Resources mentioned this episode:

    “Hidden Brain” by Shankar Vedantam

    Hidden Brain Website

    Shankar’s TED Talk


    Similar NSE episodes:

    Dacher Keltner: How Awe Will Transform Your Life

    Kristin Neff: The Power of Self-Compassion

    Amishi Jha: Push-ups for Your Brain

    Heather Holleman: The Art of Conversation


    PDF of Lee's Interview Notes

    Transcription Link


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    193: Unabridged Interview: Nadia Bolz-Weber Jan 31, 2025
    Show notes

    This is our unabridged interview with Nadia Bolz-Weber.


    “When I left the Christian Fundamentalism of my childhood, I became an activist.”

    Christian Fundamentalism is often looked down upon for its dualistic, black-and-white outlook, which is often used for policing behavior. But, Nadia Bolz-Weber explains, these are the same extreme tendencies that she found in secular activism after she left the church.

    Later in life, after working as a comedian and entering recovery, Nadia began to untangle the mindset that had taken her from one extreme to the other. Her long journey has since led her to becoming a Lutheran pastor and a three-time bestselling author. In this episode, she tells her story.


    Show Notes

    Resources mentioned this episode:

    “Shameless” by Nadia Bolz-Weber

    “Pastrix” by Nadia Bolz-Weber


    Similar NSE episodes:

    Philip Yancey: Where the Light Fell

    Kelly Corrigan: How Vulnerability Leads to Connection

    Musa al-Gharbi: We Have Never Been Woke

    Suzanne Stabile: Exploring the Enneagram


    PDF of Lee's Interview Notes

    Transcript of Abridged Interview


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    193: Nadia Bolz-Weber: From Fundamentalism to Stand-up Comedy to Ordained Pastor Jan 27, 2025
    Show notes

    “When I left the Christian Fundamentalism of my childhood, I became an activist.”

    Christian Fundamentalism is often looked down upon for its dualistic, black-and-white outlook, which is often used for policing behavior. But, Nadia Bolz-Weber explains, these are the same extreme tendencies that she found in secular activism after she left the church.

    Later in life, after working as a comedian and entering recovery, Nadia began to untangle the mindset that had taken her from one extreme to the other. Her long journey has since led her to becoming a Lutheran pastor and a three-time bestselling author. In this episode, she tells her story.


    Show Notes

    Resources mentioned this episode:

    “Shameless” by Nadia Bolz-Weber

    “Pastrix” by Nadia Bolz-Weber


    Similar NSE episodes:

    Philip Yancey: Where the Light Fell

    Kelly Corrigan: How Vulnerability Leads to Connection

    Musa al-Gharbi: We Have Never Been Woke

    Suzanne Stabile: Exploring the Enneagram


    PDF of Lee's Interview Notes

    Transcription Link


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    192: Unabridged Interview: Esau McCaulley Jan 24, 2025
    Show notes

    This is our unabridged interview with Esau McCaulley.


    What is it like growing up Black in the American South?

    The question is too particular to answer with abstraction. Instead, Esau McCaulley answers it in the most personal, humble way available, by telling the story of his family in his new memoir, “How Far to the Promised Land: One Black Family's Story of Hope and Survival in the American South.”

    In this episode, Esau discusses what he uncovered from a season of digging deeply into family and national history, and describes what the experience taught him about race, faith, and the culture of the South in the United States.


    Show Notes

    Resources mentioned this episode:

    “How Far to the Promised” Land by Esau McCaulley


    Similar NSE episodes:

    The Architect of the American Civil Rights Movement: James Lawson

    Doing Justice Alongside MLK and Rosa Parks: Dr. Fred Gray

    Eddie Glaude: On James Baldwin’s America

    Thou Shalt Not Be a Jerk: Eugene Cho

    White Too Long: Robert Jones


    PDF of Lee's Interview Notes

    Transcript of Abridged Interview


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    192: Esau McCaulley: How Far to the Promised Land? (Best of NSE) Jan 20, 2025
    Show notes

    What is it like growing up Black in the American South?

    The question is too particular to answer with abstraction. Instead, Esau McCaulley answers it in the most personal, humble way available, by telling the story of his family in his new memoir, “How Far to the Promised Land: One Black Family's Story of Hope and Survival in the American South.”

    In this episode, Esau discusses what he uncovered from a season of digging deeply into family and national history, and describes what the experience taught him about race, faith, and the culture of the South in the United States.


    Show Notes

    Resources mentioned this episode:

    “How Far to the Promised” Land by Esau McCaulley


    Similar NSE episodes:

    The Architect of the American Civil Rights Movement: James Lawson

    Doing Justice Alongside MLK and Rosa Parks: Dr. Fred Gray

    Eddie Glaude: On James Baldwin’s America

    Thou Shalt Not Be a Jerk: Eugene Cho

    White Too Long: Robert Jones


    PDF of Lee's Interview Notes

    Transcription Link


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    191: Unabridged Interview: Tom Paxton Jan 17, 2025
    Show notes

    This is our unabridged interview with Tom Paxton.


    In the 1960s, during the folk music revival in a neighborhood of New York City called Greenwich Village, a small cafe called the Gaslight hosted many singer-songwriters who were up-and-coming at the time. You might know some of their names, like Bob Dylan and Dave Van Ronk.

    Among the regulars there was Tom Paxton, who, 60 years and 50 albums later, is still writing and performing folk songs that bear witness to profound societal truths. In this episode, hear from Tom what it was like to perform during those days, what role folk music plays in stirring up the status quo, and thoughts on vulnerability, notoriety, grief, an


    Show Notes

    Resources mentioned this episode:

    Tom’s Website

    Doc Watson and Dolly Parton - Merlefest 2001


    Similar NSE episodes:

    Amy Grant: Fame, Vulnerability, and Staying Grounded

    Martin Sheen: Actor and Activist

    Drew Holcomb and Audrey Assad: Vulnerable Art


    Transcript of Abridged Interview


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    191: Tom Paxton: Greenwich Village, Folk Music, and 60 Years of Song Jan 13, 2025
    Show notes

    In the 1960s, during the folk music revival in a neighborhood of New York City called Greenwich Village, a small cafe called the Gaslight hosted many singer-songwriters who were up-and-coming at the time. You might know some of their names, like Bob Dylan and Dave Van Ronk.

    Among the regulars there was Tom Paxton, who, 60 years and 50 albums later, is still writing and performing folk songs that bear witness to profound societal truths. In this episode, hear from Tom what it was like to perform during those days, what role folk music plays in stirring up the status quo, and thoughts on vulnerability, notoriety, grief, an


    Show Notes

    Resources mentioned this episode:

    Tom’s Website


    Similar NSE episodes:

    Amy Grant: Fame, Vulnerability, and Staying Grounded

    Martin Sheen: Actor and Activist

    Drew Holcomb and Audrey Assad: Vulnerable Art


    Transcription Link


    This episode of No Small Endeavor is sponsored by Dwell—the audio bible app. To get 25% off your subscription visit dwellbible.com/nse


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    190: Unabridged Interview: Makoto Fujimura Jan 10, 2025
    Show notes

    This is our unabridged interview with Makoto Fujimura.


    Makoto Fujimura occupies an unusual intersection of personal realities: He is an abstract expressionist artist who discovered his Christian faith as an art student in Japan. He continually finds himself trying to bridge the divide between religion and art. “I can't really talk about my faith with my artist friends, and I can't talk about art with my Christian friends,” he says. “But for me, it's never been that way.” In this episode, he talks about how he uses traditional Japanese methods of painting — “slow art,” as he calls it — to explore grief, brokenness, and healing.


    Show Notes

    Resources mentioned this episode:

    “Art and Faith: A Theology of Making” by Makoto Fujimura (Yale University Press)

    Examples of Mako’s Paintings

    The Four Holy Gospels

    "Silence" by Shūsaku Endō


    Similar NSE episodes:

    Drew Holcomb and Audrey Assad: Vulnerable Art

    Christian Wiman: Poetry Against Despair

    Poetry as Politics: Poet Laureates Tracy K. Smith and Marie Howe


    Transcript of Abridged Interview


    This episode of No Small Endeavor is sponsored by Dwell—the audio bible app. To get 25% off your subscription visit dwellbible.com/nse


    Want more NSE? JOIN NSE+ Today! Our subscriber only community with bonus episodes designed specifically to help you live a good life, ad-free listening, and discounts on live shows

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    190: Makoto Fujimura: Art and Faith Jan 06, 2025
    Show notes

    Makoto Fujimura occupies an unusual intersection of personal realities: He is an abstract expressionist artist who discovered his Christian faith as an art student in Japan. He continually finds himself trying to bridge the divide between religion and art. “I can't really talk about my faith with my artist friends, and I can't talk about art with my Christian friends,” he says. “But for me, it's never been that way.” In this episode, he talks about how he uses traditional Japanese methods of painting — “slow art,” as he calls it — to explore grief, brokenness, and healing.


    Show Notes

    Resources mentioned this episode:

    “Art and Faith: A Theology of Making” by Makoto Fujimura (Yale University Press)

    Examples of Mako’s Paintings

    The Four Holy Gospels

    "Silence" by Shūsaku Endō


    Similar NSE episodes:

    Drew Holcomb and Audrey Assad: Vulnerable Art

    Christian Wiman: Poetry Against Despair

    Poetry as Politics: Poet Laureates Tracy K. Smith and Marie Howe


    Transcription Link


    This episode of No Small Endeavor is sponsored by Dwell—the audio bible app. To get 25% off your subscription visit dwellbible.com/nse


    Want more NSE? JOIN NSE+ Today! Our subscriber only community with bonus episodes designed specifically to help you live a good life, ad-free listening, and discounts on live shows

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    189: Unabridged Interview: Oliver Burkeman Jan 03, 2025
    Show notes

    This is our unabridged interview with Oliver Burkeman.


    In an age full of lifehacks, self-help books, and productivity gurus, many of us only end up busier and more stressed than we were before. What if there’s a better way to live a full, fruitful life?

    "The world is bursting with wonder,” says Oliver Burkeman, “and yet it's the rare productivity guru who seems to have considered the possibility that the ultimate point of all our frenetic doing might be to experience more of that wonder."

    In this episode, he discusses his New York Times Bestselling book 4000 Weeks: Time Management for Mortals, dispelling many contemporary ideas about productivity, and instead suggesting a wonder-fueled, counterintuitive method for flourishing in the world.


    Show Notes

    Resources mentioned this episode:

    "Four Thousand Weeks" by Oliver Burkeman

    "The Antidote" by Oliver Burkeman

    “A Testament of Devotion” by Thomas Raymond Kelly

    Catherine Andrews, "Why You're Going About Recovering from Perfectionism All Wrong"


    Similar NSE episodes:

    Seven Ways to Ruin Your Life: Rebecca DeYoung

    The Ruthless Elimination of Hurry: John Mark Comer

    The Power of Sabbath Rest: Judith Shulevitz


    PDF of Lee's Interview Notes

    Transcript of Abridged Interview


    This episode of No Small Endeavor is sponsored by Dwell—the audio bible app. To get 25% off your subscription visit dwellbible.com/nse


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