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    No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp – Tokens Media

    What does it really mean to live a good life—in our politics, our faith, our work, and our relationships?

    On No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp, we explore the ideas, practices, and public debates that shape human flourishing today. Each week you’ll hear thought-provoking conversations with bestselling authors, philosophers, neuroscientists, psychologists, theologians, artists, and political leaders—people wrestling with the biggest questions of meaning and purpose in our time.

    Together we ask:

    How can religion be a force for healing instead of division?

    What does neuroscience reveal about happiness, habits, and productivity?

    Where do politics and justice meet the pursuit of the common good?

    How do truth, beauty, and goodness help us live well—personally and collectively?

    If you care about faith, politics, social justice, science, or the search for meaning, you’ll find courageous, practical conversations here. Because pursuing a meaningful life is no small endeavor—and we’re with you on the road.

    Learn more at nosmallendeavor.com.

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    199: Francis Collins: The Road to Wisdom in an Age of Distrust Mar 10, 2025
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    Francis Collins has led some of the most significant scientific initiatives of our time, including the Human Genome Project and the National Institutes of Health under three U.S. presidents. In his new book, The Road to Wisdom, Collins grapples with the erosion of public trust in science, the polarization of society, and the challenge of discerning truth in the modern age.

    In this conversation, Collins shares insights from his experiences during the COVID-19 pandemic, his journey from atheism to Christian faith, and the importance of humility in the pursuit of knowledge. He reflects on his unlikely friendship with the late atheist Christopher Hitchens, the philosophical roots of truth skepticism, and the need for genuine dialogue across divides.

    Join us as we explore how wisdom, truth, science, and faith intersect—and why curiosity and compassion might just be the antidote to our age of distrust.


    Show Notes

    Resources:

    "The Road to Wisdom" by Francis Collins


    Similar NSE episodes:

    Quincy Byrdsong: Tuskegee, Healthcare, Justice

    Jennifer Wiseman: How Science Produces Wonder

    David Wilkinson: The (Not Really) War Between Science and Faith

    Rachel Held Evans, Francis Collins, and Ed Larson: Faith, Science, Humility


    PDF of Lee's Interview Notes

    Transcription Link


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    Great Feeling Studios, the team behind No Small Endeavor and other award-winning podcasts, helps nonprofits and brands tell stories that inspire action. If your organization has a message that deserves to be heard, start your podcast at helpmemakeapodcast.com.

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    198: Unabridged Interview: Nancy French Mar 07, 2025
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    This is our unabridged interview with Nancy French.


    Nancy French has spent her career helping others tell their stories. As a five-time New York Times bestselling ghostwriter, she has worked with prominent conservatives, celebrities, and political figures. But in her new memoir, Ghosted: An American Story, Nancy turns the pen on herself, recounting her own journey through faith, politics, and personal betrayal.

    A lifelong conservative, Nancy never expected that standing against Donald Trump would lead to ostracism from her own community. Nor did she foresee how uncovering systemic abuse at a major Christian camp would result in personal vitriol toward her. In this deeply honest conversation, Nancy and Lee discuss the personal cost of truth-telling, the cultural divide in America, and how faith can persist even amid profound disappointment.


    Show Notes

    Resources:

    Ghosted: An American Story by Nancy French

    David French’s NYT column

    USA Today article: Kanakuk Abuse Investigation

    Gretchen Carlson’s work on NDAs, workplace harassment

    No More

    SAMHSA

    Similar NSE episodes:

    David French & Russell Moore: How Should Christians Do Politics

    Taking the Beatitudes Seriously: John Dear

    Kristin Du Mez sits with David French


    PDF of Lee's Interview Notes

    Transcript


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    198: Nancy French: Ghosted by Her Own Tribe Mar 03, 2025
    Show notes

    Nancy French has spent her career helping others tell their stories. As a five-time New York Times bestselling ghostwriter, she has worked with prominent conservatives, celebrities, and political figures. But in her new memoir, Ghosted: An American Story, Nancy turns the pen on herself, recounting her own journey through faith, politics, and personal betrayal.

    A lifelong conservative, Nancy never expected that standing against Donald Trump would lead to ostracism from her own community. Nor did she foresee how uncovering systemic abuse at a major Christian camp would result in personal vitriol toward her. In this deeply honest conversation, Nancy and Lee discuss the personal cost of truth-telling, the cultural divide in America, and how faith can persist even amid profound disappointment.


    Show Notes

    Resources mentioned this episode:

    Ghosted: An American Story by Nancy French

    David French’s NYT column

    USA Today article: Kanakuk Abuse Investigation

    Gretchen Carlson’s work on NDAs, workplace harassment

    No More

    SAMHSA

    Similar NSE episodes:

    David French & Russell Moore: How Should Christians Do Politics

    Taking the Beatitudes Seriously: John Dear

    Kristin Du Mez sits with David French


    PDF of Lee's Interview Notes

    Transcription Link


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    197: Unabridged Interview: Mpho Tutu van Furth Feb 28, 2025
    Show notes

    This is our unabridged interview with Mpho Tutu van Furth.


    What does it mean to ask someone for forgiveness? The experience after Apartheid in South Africa has much to teach us.

    “In English, you say, ‘I’m sorry, forgive me.’ It’s all about me”

    Says Mpho Tutu van Furth, daughter to the late Desmond Tutu.

    But in the South African language of Xhosa

    “You say ndicela uxolo which means ‘I ask for peace’. And that’s a very different thing than ‘forgive me’”

    In this episode, explore the deep impact of apartheid in South Africa, the meaning of true forgiveness, and the profound philosophy of Ubuntu. Discover how Mpho carries on her father's legacy of peace and reconciliation while navigating her own journey as an Episcopalian priest and social activist. This heartfelt and enlightening conversation delves into the courage required to love, forgive, and build a just community.


    Show Notes

    Resources mentioned this episode:

    The Desmond & Leah Tutu Legacy Foundation

    Forgiveness and Reparation: The Healing Journey by Mpho Tutu

    The Book of Forgiving by Desdmond Tutu and Mpho Tutu

    Truth and Reconciliation Commission of South Africa

    Similar NSE episodes:

    Azim Khamisa: Ending Violence Through Forgiveness

    Forgiving My Mother’s Murderer: Sharon Risher

    Pádraig Ó Tuama: A Poet’s Work in Peace and Reconciliation


    PDF of Lee's Interview Notes

    Transcript of Abridged Episode


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    197: Mpho Tutu van Furth: The Tutu Legacy of Forgiveness and Reconciliation Feb 24, 2025
    Show notes

    What does it mean to ask someone for forgiveness? The experience after Apartheid in South Africa has much to teach us.

    “In English, you say, ‘I’m sorry, forgive me.’ It’s all about me”

    Says Mpho Tutu van Furth, the daughter to the late Desmond Tutu.

    But in the South African language of Xhosa

    “You say ndicela uxolo which means ‘I ask for peace’. And that’s a very different thing than ‘forgive me’”

    In this episode, explore the deep impact of apartheid in South Africa, the meaning of true forgiveness, and the profound philosophy of Ubuntu. Discover how Mpho carries on her father's legacy of peace and reconciliation while navigating her own journey as an Episcopalian priest and social activist. This heartfelt and enlightening conversation delves into the courage required to love, forgive, and build a just community.


    Show Notes

    Resources mentioned this episode:

    The Desmond & Leah Tutu Legacy Foundation

    Forgiveness and Reparation: The Healing Journey by Mpho Tutu

    The Book of Forgiving by Desdmond Tutu and Mpho Tutu

    Truth and Reconciliation Commission of South Africa

    Similar NSE episodes:

    Azim Khamisa: Ending Violence Through Forgiveness

    Forgiving My Mother’s Murderer: Sharon Risher

    Pádraig Ó Tuama: A Poet’s Work in Peace and Reconciliation


    PDF of Lee's Interview Notes

    Transcription Link


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    196: Unabridged Interview: Russ Taff Feb 21, 2025
    Show notes

    This is our unabridged interview with Russ Taff.


    “I was 24 when I won my first Grammy,” says Russ Taff. “And within an hour, all the joy is gone.”

    Russ is a legend in Gospel music circles. His accolades include six Grammys, sixteen Doves, and three inductions into the GMA Hall of Fame for his work as a solo artist and a member of multiple bands. But underneath—his career, his success, and his past, almost broke him.

    In this episode, Russ gets vulnerable about his childhood trauma, his self-hatred, his alcoholism, and his long road to recovery and forgiveness.


    Show Notes

    Resources mentioned this episode:

    Russ’s Website

    "Cover Story" by Russ Taff


    Similar NSE episodes:

    Amy Grant: Fame, Vulnerability, and Staying Grounded

    Drew Holcomb: Fighting Dragons and Singing at Loss

    Megan Barry: Addiction, Loss, Possibility

    Ashley Cleveland: Does This Make My Butt Look Big?


    PDF of Lee's Interview Notes

    Transcript of Abridged Episode


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    196: Russ Taff: Music, Addiction, and Redemption Feb 17, 2025
    Show notes

    “I was 24 when I won my first Grammy,” says Russ Taff. “And within an hour, all the joy is gone.”

    Russ is a legend in Gospel music circles. His accolades include six Grammys, sixteen Doves, and three inductions into the GMA Hall of Fame for his work as a solo artist and a member of multiple bands. But underneath—his career, his success, and his past, almost broke him.

    In this episode, Russ gets vulnerable about his childhood trauma, his self-hatred, his alcoholism, and his long road to recovery and forgiveness.


    Show Notes

    Resources mentioned this episode:

    Russ’s Website

    "Cover Story" by Russ Taff


    Similar NSE episodes:

    Amy Grant: Fame, Vulnerability, and Staying Grounded

    Drew Holcomb: Fighting Dragons and Singing at Loss

    Megan Barry: Addiction, Loss, Possibility

    Ashley Cleveland: Does This Make My Butt Look Big?


    PDF of Lee's Interview Notes

    Transcription Link


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    195: Unabridged Interview: Alexandra Solomon Feb 14, 2025
    Show notes

    This is our unabridged interview with Alexandra Solomon.


    Is your love life in need of a tune-up? Just in time for Valentine's Day, renowned relationship expert Dr. Alexandra Solomon joins us to share powerful insights from her book, "Loving Bravely." Discover how self-awareness and understanding your past can dramatically improve your present relationships. Dr. Solomon unpacks the secrets to thriving intimacy, from mastering the art of apology to staying truly present with your partner. Plus, get practical tools for navigating the inevitable challenges of long-term love. Tune in for this insightful conversation that will empower you to build stronger, more fulfilling relationships.


    Show Notes

    Resources mentioned this episode:

    Reimagining Love Podcast

    “Loving Bravely” by Alexandra Solomon


    Similar NSE episodes:

    Kristin Neff: The Power of Self-Compassion

    Heather Holleman: The Art of Conversation

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    PDF of Lee's Interview Notes

    Transcript of Abridged Interview


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    195: Alexandra Solomon: How to Have Flourishing Relationships Feb 10, 2025
    Show notes

    Is your love life in need of a tune-up? Just in time for Valentine's Day, renowned relationship expert Dr. Alexandra Solomon joins us to share powerful insights from her book, "Loving Bravely." Discover how self-awareness and understanding your past can dramatically improve your present relationships. Dr. Solomon unpacks the secrets to thriving intimacy, from mastering the art of apology to staying truly present with your partner. Plus, get practical tools for navigating the inevitable challenges of long-term love. Tune in for this insightful conversation that will empower you to build stronger, more fulfilling relationships.


    Show Notes

    Resources mentioned this episode:

    Reimagining Love Podcast

    “Loving Bravely” by Alexandra Solomon


    Similar NSE episodes:

    Kristin Neff: The Power of Self-Compassion

    Heather Holleman: The Art of Conversation

    Robert Waldinger and Marc Schulz: Lessons from the World’s Longest Scientific Study of Happiness


    PDF of Lee's Interview Notes

    Transcription Link


    Want more NSE? JOIN NSE+ Today! Our subscriber only community with bonus episodes designed specifically to help you live a good life, ad-free listening, and discounts on live shows

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    194: Unabridged Interview: Shankar Vedantam Feb 07, 2025
    Show notes

    This is our unabridged interview with Shankar Vedantam.


    We all like to believe that we live our lives rationally, deliberately, consciously. But what if our conscious decision making is just the tip of the iceberg?

    “ I feel like I have a full picture of what's happening inside my own mind,” says Shankar Vedantam. But it turns out “there is a large portion of our mind that's working outside of our conscious awareness.”

    Shankar founded Hidden Brain Media in order to teach people what science has uncovered about our brains. In this episode, he discusses why we’re not as autonomous as we think we are, and the profound implications for the ways we act, think, and live.


    Show Notes

    Resources mentioned this episode:

    “Hidden Brain” by Shankar Vedantam

    Hidden Brain Website

    Shankar’s TED Talk


    Similar NSE episodes:

    Dacher Keltner: How Awe Will Transform Your Life

    Kristin Neff: The Power of Self-Compassion

    Amishi Jha: Push-ups for Your Brain

    Heather Holleman: The Art of Conversation


    PDF of Lee's Interview Notes

    Transcript of Abridged Interview


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