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    Mom and Mind | Pregnancy and Postpartum Depression & Anxiety

    Posptartum Depression is real. And it’s only part of the story. We dig in to ALL of the stuff that no one tells you about, but you NEED to know. Dr. Kat, Psychologist and specialist in perinatal mental health, interviews moms, dads, experts and advocates about how to cope, manage and recover from perinatal mood and anxiety disorders. We talk about postpartum depression, postpartum anxiety and SO MUCH MORE! We get real. We get honest. We put on our stigma crushing boots and address the realities of the transition to motherhood and parenthood. Learn about it before you find out about it the hard way! You don’t have to suffer! www.momandmind.com

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    396: Empowered Parenthood: Insights on Preparing for Postpartum with Gayane Aramyan, LMFT Feb 10, 2025
    Show notes

    Planning ahead for the postpartum has proven to be a helpful strategy to overcome the challenges and unique dynamics of this transitional time. My expert guest and I dive into this topic in today’s episode. Join us!

    Gayane Aramyan, LMFT, is based in Los Angeles and specializes in perinatal therapy. She helps women and couples navigate pregnancy, postpartum, and parenthood. She earned her master’s degree in clinical psychology with a marriage and family emphasis from Pepperdine University and has specialized training in anger management, emotion-focused therapy, grief processing, acceptance-commitment therapy, and internal family systems. Gayane has been featured in various well-known publications and is dedicated to supporting clients through life transitions and the challenges of parenthood. In this episode, we discuss relationship and communication challenges and the taboo and stigma of postpartum depression. Gayane shares her personal and professional perspective as an Armenian mother and therapist.


    Show Highlights:

    • Gayane’s interest in perinatal mental health—how it blossomed with the birth of her son in 2020
    • The very real struggle for postpartum moms to just “do the basic stuff” to survive
    • The most important thing Gayane wants people to understand about the postpartum: “It gets better. This is just a phase.”
    • Preparing for the postpartum (Get Gayane’s FREE workbook!)
    • Reconnecting with your partner in the postpartum
    • Most couples do not prioritize their relationship during the postpartum.
    • The importance of having your partner on board (Couples therapy can be helpful!)
    • The stigma around postpartum depression (Prepping ahead of time can help decrease the risk factors.)
    • Gayane’s perspective as an Armenian woman with a different cultural background
    • Gayane’s hopeful message to listeners


    Resources:

    Connect with Gayane Aramyan: Website and Instagram

    Call the National Maternal Mental Health Hotline at 1-833-TLC-MAMA or visit cdph.ca.gov

    Please find resources in English and Spanish at Postpartum Support International, or by phone/text at 1-800-944-4773. There are many free resources, like online support groups, peer mentors, a specialist provider directory, and perinatal mental health training for therapists, physicians, nurses, doulas, and anyone who wants to be more supportive in offering services.

    You can also follow PSI on social media: Instagram, Facebook, and most other platforms

    Visit www.postpartum.net/professionals/certificate-trainings/ for information on the grief course.

    Visit my website, www.wellmindperinatal.com, for more information, resources, and courses you can take today!

    If you are a California resident looking for a therapist in perinatal mental health, email me about openings for private pay clients!

    Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices


    395: Behind The Sessions: Boundaries and Cutting Ties With Abusive Family Members Feb 06, 2025
    Show notes

    Today’s session is about recognizing abusive behaviors in family members and taking appropriate action to protect your mental and physical health. I want to give a warning that some of these situations can be difficult to hear if you have a history of various kinds of abuse. Abusive family members can come in the form of a partner, sibling, extended family, and even parents of adult kids who are now becoming parents. We have previously discussed how your new life as a parent can bring up issues from the past, further complicate delicate family relationships, and bring a sharp focus to your life as a parent caring for your newborn child. For anyone dealing with these challenging family relationships, the message is that there is help, hope, and coping skills to make things easier. Join us as we explore this topic.


    Show Highlights:

    • Cutting off ties with a family member is a complex decision.
    • Abusive behavior can be from those who are mean, manipulative, and/or toxic.
    • Setting boundaries requires changing patterns of communication and behavior, which can cause more stress and leave you feeling vulnerable.
    • Ways in which family members can be toxic or abusive:
    • Constant criticism and belittling
    • Excessive control over your life
    • Lack of respect for your boundaries
    • Emotional withholding or “the silent treatment”
    • Physical aggression, intimidation, or abuse
    • Gaslighting
    • Comparison and favoritism
    • Consistent disregard for your well-being
    • Becoming a new parent automatically means that there are new boundaries around raising that baby.
    • Dr. Kat’s advice for finding support
    • Setting boundaries and cutting off a relationship brings a sense of loss and grief.


    Resources:

    Call the National Maternal Mental Health Hotline at 1-833-TLC-MAMA or visit cdph.ca.gov

    Please find resources in English and Spanish at Postpartum Support International, or by phone/text at 1-800-944-4773. There are many free resources, like online support groups, peer mentors, a specialist provider directory, and perinatal mental health training for therapists, physicians, nurses, doulas, and anyone who wants to be more supportive in offering services.

    You can also follow PSI on social media: Instagram, Facebook, and most other platforms

    Visit www.postpartum.net/professionals/certificate-trainings/ for information on the grief course.

    Visit my website, www.wellmindperinatal.com, for more information, resources, and courses you can take today!

    If you are a California resident looking for a therapist in perinatal mental health, email me about openings for private pay clients!

    Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices


    394: A Mom Like That: A Memoir of Postpartum Psychosis with Aaisha Alvi Feb 03, 2025
    Show notes

    I’m joined today by Aaisha Alvi, a writer and fierce postpartum psychosis awareness advocate. In her recent book, A Mom Like That: A Memoir of Postpartum Psychosis, she shares her experience and explains how her symptoms of psychosis were missed, ignored, and overlooked by many healthcare providers until she finally got the help she needed. Aaisha shares her story with us and discusses the differences between postpartum depression and postpartum psychosis, along with the biggest misconceptions about postpartum psychosis. Aaisha works in many ways as an advocate and educator, bringing awareness to postpartum psychosis and volunteering with various mental health organizations, including PSI. Join us to hear Aaisha’s story!


    Show Highlights:

    • Aaisha’s journey into the world of perinatal mental health and postpartum psychosis
    • Aaisha’s postpartum experience of depression and intrusive thoughts extended to fears about her family members harming her baby.
    • A repeat of symptoms after Aaisha’s miscarriage
    • Delusions, more intrusive thoughts, and voices telling her bizarre things—with no help until Aaisha saw her sixth doctor (Finally—a postpartum psychosis diagnosis!)
    • “Provider ignorance” and Aaisha’s ironic attempts to hide her real symptoms while simultaneously seeking help
    • Thoughts about anti-psychotic meds
    • Being dismissed and ignored by healthcare providers—even as Aaisha begged for help
    • What her doctors were missing
    • The real statistics of postpartum psychosis—and why we shouldn’t say it’s a “rare condition”
    • Differences between postpartum depression and postpartum psychosis
    • Aaisha’s words of advice to families about a loved one
    • Religious delusions–what we should understand
    • BIPOC women and the reality of postpartum psychosis—Why the disparity in care?
    • The biggest misconceptions about postpartum psychosis
    • End the stigma! Postpartum psychosis is another type of mental illness that CAN and MUST be treated!
    • What Aaisha hopes her book does for women and their healthcare providers


    Resources:

    Connect with Aaisha Alvi: Website and Instagram

    Call the National Maternal Mental Health Hotline at 1-833-TLC-MAMA or visit cdph.ca.gov

    Please find resources in English and Spanish at Postpartum Support International, or by phone/text at 1-800-944-4773. There are many free resources, like online support groups, peer mentors, a specialist provider directory, and perinatal mental health training for therapists, physicians, nurses, doulas, and anyone who wants to be more supportive in offering services.

    You can also follow PSI on social media: Instagram, Facebook, and most other platforms

    Visit www.postpartum.net/professionals/certificate-trainings/ for information on the grief course.

    Visit my website, www.wellmindperinatal.com, for more information, resources, and courses you can take today!

    If you are a California resident looking for a therapist in perinatal mental health, email me about openings for private pay clients!

    Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices


    393: Healing Trauma After an Emergency Hysterectomy with Lindsey Harris, LPC Jan 27, 2025
    Show notes

    My guest shares her story of an uncomplicated pregnancy that resulted in an emergency hysterectomy just minutes after her daughter’s birth. Join us to hear her story of grief, trauma, feelings of isolation, and healing.

    Lindsey Harris is a mental health therapist in Princeton, TX, and she specializes in the treatment of eating disorders, anxiety, and depression. She brings a deeply personal perspective to mental health conversations after experiencing postpartum depression and birth trauma in 2023. Her journey has spurred her to be a passionate advocate for maternal mental health and the importance of support during life’s most vulnerable moments.


    Show Highlights:

    • Lindsey’s story of her first pregnancy and facing the unknowns of maternal mental health after a history of mental health struggles
    • Lindsey’s daughter’s birth: progression from a planned vaginal birth to C-section (healthy baby delivered!) to complete chaos, concern, and a return to the OR because of bleeding
    • From calm moments to “Am I dying?” in only 10-15 minutes
    • Major decisions to be made by Lindsey’s husband
    • Finding out the results and implications of her life-saving surgery
    • An ICU stay of 2 days followed by 5-6 more days in the hospital before taking her baby home
    • What life was like for Lindsey after coming home with a newborn after almost losing her life
    • Lindsey’s mental and emotional state during her recovery
    • Feeling emotional heaviness and the stress of motherhood when the reality of postpartum set in
    • How therapy, medication changes, and advocating for herself helped Lindsey
    • Decisions, adjustments, and healing that are still ongoing for Lindsey
    • How Lindsey’s experience has changed her therapy specialty
    • Fact: We live in a world where people feel free to comment on pregnant women’s bodies.
    • There is much work still to be done!
    • Lindsey’s message of hope to those who are struggling


    Resources:

    Connect with Lindsey Harris: Website and Instagram

    Call the National Maternal Mental Health Hotline at 1-833-TLC-MAMA or visit cdph.ca.gov

    Please find resources in English and Spanish at Postpartum Support International, or by phone/text at 1-800-944-4773. There are many free resources, like online support groups, peer mentors, a specialist provider directory, and perinatal mental health training for therapists, physicians, nurses, doulas, and anyone who wants to be more supportive in offering services.

    You can also follow PSI on social media: Instagram, Facebook, and most other platforms

    Visit www.postpartum.net/professionals/certificate-trainings/ for information on the grief course.

    Visit my website, www.wellmindperinatal.com, for more information, resources, and courses you can take today!

    If you are a California resident looking for a therapist in perinatal mental health, email me about openings for private pay clients!

    Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices


    392: Behind The Sessions: How Motherhood Can Magnify Anxiety and Self-Doubt Jan 23, 2025
    Show notes

    In today’s Behind the Sessions episode, Dr. Kat, a perinatal psychologist, explores how motherhood can magnify anxiety and self-doubt, especially for those with pre-existing tendencies towards anxiety or perfectionism. She discusses how these emotional challenges often resurface during pregnancy and postpartum, leading to feelings of inadequacy.

    Dr. Kat emphasizes the importance of recognizing and understanding these patterns, advocating for self-compassion and realistic expectations. She encourages seeking support, highlighting that reaching out is a strength, not a failure. Tune in and hear DR. Kat as she reassures mothers that they are not alone in their struggles and offers resources for managing postpartum stress.

    Show Highlights:

    • The impact of motherhood on anxiety and self-doubt
    • Resurgence of pre-existing emotional challenges during pregnancy and postpartum
    • Societal expectations and internal pressures on new mothers
    • Perfectionism and feelings of inadequacy in parenting
    • Effects of sleep deprivation and hormonal changes on mental health
    • Coping strategies and the pressure to maintain control during motherhood
    • Influence of social media and cultural standards on maternal self-esteem
    • Importance of self-compassion and recognizing small victories in parenting
    • Seeking professional support for perinatal mental health challenges
    • Significance of reframing internal dialogue and challenging unrealistic expectations

    Resources:

    Connect with Centering You: Website, Instagram, and The Shift Shop

    Use the code “MOMANDMIND” (all caps) for a 10% discount on your purchase of the Centering YouCard Deck.

    Call the National Maternal Mental Health Hotline at 1-833-TLC-MAMA or visit cdph.ca.gov

    Please find resources in English and Spanish at Postpartum Support International, or by phone/text at 1-800-944-4773. There are many free resources, like online support groups, peer mentors, a specialist provider directory, and perinatal mental health training for therapists, physicians, nurses, doulas, and anyone who wants to be more supportive in offering services.

    You can also follow PSI on social media: Instagram, Facebook, and most other platforms

    Visit www.postpartum.net/professionals/certificate-trainings/ for information on the grief course.

    Visit my website, www.wellmindperinatal.com, for more information, resources, and courses you can take today!

    If you are a California resident looking for a therapist in perinatal mental health, email me about openings for private pay clients!

    Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices


    391: “Centering You” in the Postpartum with Elizabeth O’Brien, LPC, PMH-C, and Marianela Rodriguez, Ph.D., PMH-C Jan 20, 2025
    Show notes

    Today, my guests are talking about their new card deck for postpartum folks. Available in English and Spanish, the card deck is called “Centering You” and is a collaboration between these longtime friends and perinatal therapists. In this episode, they will explain what the card deck is and how it can be helpful. They are offering a special discount to Mom and Mind listeners, so don’t miss your chance to buy this unique product!

    Marianela Rodriguez-Reynaldo is a mother, certified lactation educator, and clinical psychologist certified in perinatal mental health. For the past 15 years, she has worked exclusively in the perinatal mental health field. She serves with PSI as an international trainer and volunteer coordinator in Puerto Rico and works as a psychology consultant for the Puerto Rico Health Department’s Mother, Child, and Adolescent Section (Title V). She is also a member of the Fetal and Infant Mortality Review Board and the Maternal Mortality Review Committee. Marianela provides supportive psychotherapy for people living with HIV at the Center for Maternal Infant Studies at the University of Puerto Rico. In 2020 she co-founded the first Center for Perinatal Mental Health in Puerto Rico, where work focuses on research, awareness, and service for this population.

    Elizabeth O’Brien is a mother who lives in Atlanta, GA, where she works as a psychotherapist with over 25 years of clinical experience. In her private practice, she is certified as a perinatal mental health therapist and treats women through the lifespan from a body/mind perspective, infusing her background in dance movement therapy, yoga, meditation, and mindfulness. Additionally, Elizabeth provides her own training and is a national trainer with PSI in perinatal mood and anxiety disorders. She supports the community as the co-chair for the GA Perinatal Task Force and was the founding president of the PSI Georgia Chapter. She provides feminist business consulting and plans for the postpartum edition of Centering You to be the first in a series of wellness card decks.


    Show Highlights:

    • Elizabeth and Marianela’s backgrounds, long-lasting friendship, and “Centering You”
    • The main message to anyone in the postpartum: “You are not alone.”
    • A description of the cards, their content, and their purpose
    • The vision for how providers, partners, and families can use these cards to support a postpartum person
    • The card deck is for everyone in the postpartum—because the experiences are universal.
    • Is the card deck a game to play? Elizabeth and Marianela explain ways to use the cards.
    • Even the manufacturing process is done in a thoughtful and intentional way.


    Resources:

    Connect with Centering You: Website, Instagram, and The Shift Shop

    Use the code “MOMANDMIND” (all caps) for a 10% discount on your purchase of the Centering YouCard Deck.

    Call the National Maternal Mental Health Hotline at 1-833-TLC-MAMA or visit cdph.ca.gov

    Please find resources in English and Spanish at Postpartum Support International, or by phone/text at 1-800-944-4773. There are many free resources, like online support groups, peer mentors, a specialist provider directory, and perinatal mental health training for therapists, physicians, nurses, doulas, and anyone who wants to be more supportive in offering services.

    You can also follow PSI on social media: Instagram, Facebook, and most other platforms

    Visit www.postpartum.net/professionals/certificate-trainings/ for information on the grief course.

    Visit my website, www.wellmindperinatal.com, for more information, resources, and courses you can take today!

    If you are a California resident looking for a therapist in perinatal mental health, email me about openings for private pay clients!

    Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices


    390: From Fertility to Parenthood: Better Care for BIPOC Families with Dr. Suzanne Mungalez Jan 13, 2025
    Show notes

    There are internal and societal pressures in making birthing and parenting decisions that are magnified for the BIPOC community. My guest explains how incorporating ancestral practices can be supportive and shares her valuable work and the importance of doulas for people of color.

    Dr. Suzanne Mungalez (aka Dr. Zann) is a licensed clinical psychologist in CA certified in perinatal mental health, childbirth educator, certified lactation education specialist, and trained doula. She has worked in hospital settings and birthing centers alongside OB-GYNs, midwives, and other birth workers. She is black, Congolese-American, and queer, along with being a gender-expansive woman and mother who has given birth in the comfort of her own home. Her background and experience shape her expertise in clinical work and how she holds space for her patients. Dr. Zann describes herself as “tender with people, tough on systems, and relentlessly committed to our collective liberation.”

    Show Highlights:

    • Dr. Zann’s path to the perinatal work she does today
    • The need to equip people with knowledge
    • Everyone needs support and community!
    • Pressures in birthing and parenting decisions for people of color
    • Dr. Zann’s help includes guided meditation, visualizations, therapy, and education.
    • The benefits of incorporating ancestral background into birth experiences
    • Considerations for people of color in “mom rage” and finding safe spaces to express yourself
    • Understanding the role and benefits of a doula
    • Dr. Zann’s unique support for people in the transition to parenthood
    • Ways of telling your birth story that bring empowerment, healing, and community
    • How things are changing for the better for the BIPOC community—but it’s still not enough! More support is always needed!
    • Dr. Zann’s appeal to people of color


    Resources:

    Connect with Dr. Zann: Website and Instagram

    Call the National Maternal Mental Health Hotline at 1-833-TLC-MAMA or visit cdph.ca.gov

    Please find resources in English and Spanish at Postpartum Support International, or by phone/text at 1-800-944-4773. There are many free resources, like online support groups, peer mentors, a specialist provider directory, and perinatal mental health training for therapists, physicians, nurses, doulas, and anyone who wants to be more supportive in offering services.

    You can also follow PSI on social media: Instagram, Facebook, and most other platforms

    Visit www.postpartum.net/professionals/certificate-trainings/ for information on the grief course.

    Visit my website, www.wellmindperinatal.com, for more information, resources, and courses you can take today!

    If you are a California resident looking for a therapist in perinatal mental health, email me about openings for private pay clients!

    Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices


    389: Behind The Sessions: New Year, No Pressure with Dr. Kat Jan 09, 2025
    Show notes

    Today, Dr. Kat discusses the pressures and expectations of the new year, particularly around personal goals, parenting, and self-reflection. She addresses feelings of inadequacy that arise from societal standards and social media comparisons. Dr. Kat emphasizes the importance of self-compassion, manageable goal-setting, and recognizing that perfection is unattainable. She advises listeners to focus on small, realistic changes and to limit exposure to social media to avoid unfair comparisons.

    Tune in to learn how to navigate the new year with a healthier, more sustainable mindset!


    Show Highlights:

    • Pressures and expectations associated with the new year
    • Feelings of inadequacy from social media comparisons
    • Importance of self-compassion in goal-setting
    • The impact of societal standards on personal goals
    • Recognizing individual life circumstances in goal planning
    • The influence of external pressures from family and community
    • Strategies for setting manageable and realistic goals
    • The role of self-care and rest in personal objectives
    • Limiting social media exposure to reduce comparison


    Resources:

    Call the National Maternal Mental Health Hotline at 1-833-TLC-MAMA or visit cdph.ca.gov

    Please find resources in English and Spanish at Postpartum Support International, or by phone/text at 1-800-944-4773. There are many free resources, like online support groups, peer mentors, a specialist provider directory, and perinatal mental health training for therapists, physicians, nurses, doulas, and anyone who wants to be more supportive in offering services.

    You can also follow PSI on social media: Instagram, Facebook, and most other platforms

    Visit www.postpartum.net/professionals/certificate-trainings/ for information on the grief course.

    Visit my website, www.wellmindperinatal.com, for more information, resources, and courses you can take today!

    If you are a California resident looking for a therapist in perinatal mental health, email me about openings for private pay clients!

    Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices


    388: Eating Disorders, Trauma, and Perinatal Mental Health with Andrea Wetterau, LICSW, PMH-C Jan 06, 2025
    Show notes

    This is an important conversation that affects many women at various stages of life, perhaps none so much as during pregnancy and postpartum. We are covering eating disorders, body image, trauma, and core beliefs. Join us to learn more!

    Andrea Wetterau is a mother of two and a therapist specializing in pregnancy, postpartum, and early parenting, specifically to empower people on their journey toward healing from trauma and finding peace in relationships with food and their bodies. Our conversation covers the intersection of eating disorders, trauma, and perinatal mental health, along with negative core beliefs, finding healing in the relationship with your body, and how body image issues can impact perinatal mental health.


    Show Highlights:

    • The intersection of eating disorders, trauma, and perinatal mental health
    • Personal experiences with anorexia and recovery journeys
    • Prevalence of eating disorders among pregnant individuals
    • Types of eating disorders relevant to the perinatal period (anorexia, bulimia, binge eating disorder, orthorexia)
    • Impact of negative core beliefs and childhood experiences on eating behaviors
    • Societal pressures and unrealistic standards regarding body image during pregnancy and postpartum
    • Emotional complexities of body image and self-worth during the perinatal period
    • Therapeutic approaches for healing, including Internal Family Systems Therapy and EMDR
    • Importance of intuitive eating and fostering healthy relationships with food in children
    • Need for specialized support in perinatal mental health and breaking generational cycles of disordered eating


    Resources:

    Connect with Andrea Wetterau: Website and Instagram

    Call the National Maternal Mental Health Hotline at 1-833-TLC-MAMA or visit cdph.ca.gov

    Please find resources in English and Spanish at Postpartum Support International, or by phone/text at 1-800-944-4773. There are many free resources, like online support groups, peer mentors, a specialist provider directory, and perinatal mental health training for therapists, physicians, nurses, doulas, and anyone who wants to be more supportive in offering services.

    You can also follow PSI on social media: Instagram, Facebook, and most other platforms

    Visit www.postpartum.net/professionals/certificate-trainings/ for information on the grief course.

    Visit my website, www.wellmindperinatal.com, for more information, resources, and courses you can take today!

    If you are a California resident looking for a therapist in perinatal mental health, email me about openings for private pay clients!

    Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices


    387: High-Functioning and Over-Functioning in Motherhood with Tracy Torelli, LCSW, PMH-C Dec 30, 2024
    Show notes

    This episode is packed with useful information for everyone. We discuss ways high-functioning and over-functioning mothers can cope differently with the demands of motherhood. You’ll hear actionable tips and practical advice for anyone who feels caught in the grip of anxiety, whether occasionally or on a regular basis. Join us!

    Tracy Torelli is a therapist who has focused her career on disorders with high relapse rates. Her expertise in working with severe and persistently mentally ill people has shaped her approach to emphasize resilience and wellness as pathways to growth and healing. She has worked most recently as a clinical staff educator for an outpatient clinic at St. Joseph’s Hospital Health Center and has trained therapists, contributed to various boards, and followed her passion for women’s mental health, reproductive mental health, and a holistic approach to mental health care and advocacy.


    Show Highlights:

    • Tracy’s path to this perinatal specialty and the work she does today
    • Tracy’s work with moms with anxiety who are high-functioning and hard-working
    • Understanding what “high-functioning” means and what it looks like in a mom’s life
    • Prioritizing tasks safely and wisely while holding space for the disappointment in not finishing everything on your to-do list
    • Learning to tell yourself the truth about your decisions
    • Assessing “failure” in different ways—what it is and is not
    • Figuring out your “Charley Horse” (Your symptoms aren’t who you are.)



    Resources:

    Connect with Tracy Torelli: Website

    Call the National Maternal Mental Health Hotline at 1-833-TLC-MAMA or visit cdph.ca.gov

    Please find resources in English and Spanish at Postpartum Support International, or by phone/text at 1-800-944-4773. There are many free resources, like online support groups, peer mentors, a specialist provider directory, and perinatal mental health training for therapists, physicians, nurses, doulas, and anyone who wants to be more supportive in offering services.

    You can also follow PSI on social media: Instagram, Facebook, and most other platforms

    Visit www.postpartum.net/professionals/certificate-trainings/ for information on the grief course.

    Visit my website, www.wellmindperinatal.com, for more information, resources, and courses you can take today!

    If you are a California resident looking for a therapist in perinatal mental health, email me about openings for private pay clients!


    Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices


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