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    Minds Behind Maps

    Maps Are Everywhere.
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    Renny Babiarz: Exposing China's Nuclear Testing - MBM#40 Apr 01, 2023
    Show notes

    Renny Babiarz is a former Analyst at the NGA (National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency) and the VP of Analysis & Operations at AllSource Analysis, a company focused on providing geospatial Intelligence investigations. One of the angles of Renny's work is better understanding China's Nuclear testing using satellite imagery, Open Source Intelligence methods & location data.

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    About Renny:

    • Twitter
    • LinkedIn
    • AllSource Analysis

    Shownotes

    • AllSource
    • 2021 NPR Report “A New Tunnel is Spotted At a Chinese Nuclear Test Site”
    • Jeffrey Lewis Interview
    • Washington Post Chine Nuclear Missile Silo Article
    • Renny's book
    • Books & Podcast recommendations:
      • The Realignment
      • Making Sense by Sam Harris
      • Industry (could not find it!)
      • China Built the Bomb by John W Lewis & Litai Xue (Affiliate Link)
    • Flipping the tables, Max's book & podcasts:
      • Lex Fridman
      • Joe Rogan
      • Kanye West on Lex Fridman
      • “La Horde du Contrevent” by Alain Damasio (Affiliate Link)

    Timestamps

    (00:00) Introduction

    02:51) Conversation starts: Renny's Journey with the NGA

    (12:45) AllSource's work

    (15:55) Defining Open & Proprietary

    (18:42) Deciding which Analysis to publish

    (23:12) Researching China's Nuclear Program

    (29:43) How Projects Get Started

    (34:39) Starting from Known Areas of Interest

    (37:50) Automating Change Detection

    (42:20) The Importance of Communicating Nuance

    (48:13) Misinformation vs Disinformation

    (51:21) The Hard Execrcise of Social Media Communication

    (55:21) Twitter

    (57:08) Sources & 'Peer Review'

    (01:03:19) Working with Outside Analysts

    (01:10:03) Teaching Geospatial Intelligence

    (01:13:09) Teaching Soft Skills & Communications

    (01:18:33) Renny's book

    (01:23:52) Importance of staying hands on

    (01:27:59) Micromanaging

    (01:30:23) Book and podcast recommendation

    (01:35:32) Flipping the tables: Max's Book & Podcast recommendation

    - Support the podcast on Patreon
    - Website
    - My Twitter
    - Podcast Twitter
    - Read Previous Issues of the Newsletter
    - Edited by Peter Xiong. Find more of his work


    Kuo-Yu 'Slayer' Chuang: Leveraging Taiwan's Unique Infrastructure to Support Disaster Response - MBM#39 Mar 15, 2023
    Show notes

    Kuo-Yu 'Slayer' Chuang is the co-founder of GeoThings, a Taiwanese company leveraging SMS to share GPS location, images & any useful information for disaster response. He was also on the board of the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team; and has focused on applying mapping to supporting humanitarian endeavours mostly in Asia.

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    About Slayer:

    • Twitter
    • LinkedIn
    • GeoThings

    Shownotes:

    • Cell Tower data source (used in the intro animation): OpenCellid
    • GeoThings
    • CrisisMappers
    • Asian Development Bank
    • Open GeoSMS Standard
    • HOT: Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team
    • ITRI: Industrial Technology Research Institute
    • Line
    • Book Podcast (and games) recommendations:
      • BBC Podcasts
      • Xbox Game Pass

    Timestamps:

    (00:00) Introduction

    (02:20) Conversation starts: Slayer describes himself

    (07:47) Tech, Preparation & Emergency Situations

    (12:18) Deciding what to work on

    (16:56) From Idea to Application

    (22:03) Focusing on Humanitarian Applications

    (26:17) Apps are only useful if people have phones

    (31:42) Mobile App or SMS?

    (33:30) Aggregating data (Command center)

    (36:25) Dealing with Sensitive Data

    (40:25) Emergency phone notifications

    (42:27) Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team

    (48:54) State of OpenStreetMap (& open source) in Taiwan

    (53:44) Language barrier in Open Source & Programming

    (58:26) Line, the most popular app in Taiwan

    (01:05:55) Tech literacy

    (01:11:06) Taiwan's jump directly to mobile

    (01:16:22) Social Enterprise Company

    (01:19:40) The Incentives of a Social Entreprise

    (01:24:19) GeoThing's Business Model

    (01:27:46) Long term support

    (01:36:42) Geopolitics of working in Taiwan

    (01:47:57) Book/podcast (& games) recommendations

    (01:52:04) Sidetrack conversation on Xbox's business model

    (01:54:49) Launching a Patreon


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    - Edited by Peter Xiong. Find more of his work


    Benjamin Grant: Generating Awe and Using Satellite Images to Inspire Millions - MBM#38 Feb 01, 2023
    Show notes

    Benjamin Grant is the founder of Overview, which started as a project of sharing 1 satellite image per day on Instagram, now to an audience of nearly 1.5 million. It has since turned into books, exhibitions and collaboration with huge brands like Louis Vuitton; all in an effort to showcase Earth using satellite images.

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    About Benjamin:

    • Overview's website
    • Daily Overview on Instagram
    • LinkedIn

    Shownotes

    Note: Links to books are Amazon Affiliate links. I earn a small commission if you buy any of these books.

    • Overview by Planetary Collective
    • Planetary Collective's Twitter
    • Benjamin's Books on Amazon (Affiliate Links)
      • Timelapse (2020)
      • Overview: A New Perspective on Earth (2016)
    • Books & Podcast recommendations:
      • Einstein's Dreams by Alan Lightman (Affiliate Link)
      • Lex Fridman's podcast

    Timestamps

    00:00 Introduction
    03:01 Conversation begins: Benjamin describes himself
    04:42 What is Overview?
    06:50 The Origin Story of Overview
    21:43 The serendipitous value of unexpected software use
    25:20 Is it Photography or Curation?
    32:23 Talking about Climate, without being Doom and Gloom all the time
    36:24 Overview's Access to Images; Partnerships & Collaboration with image providers
    50:01 Thinking of satellite images like a photographer
    54:10 The Louis Vuitton collaboration
    01:00:53 Financials: How does a business like Overview run?
    01:04:47 Using anything else than optical?
    01:09:50 Having a specific audience in mind when sharing something
    01:14:17 Changing formats in social media
    01:18:28 Feedback from people following Daily Overview
    01:21:57 Books and podcast recommendation
    01:25:15 Benjamin's collaboration offer to the industry

    Feel free to reach out!
    - Website
    - My Twitter
    - Podcast Twitter
    - Read Previous Issues of the Newsletter
    - Edited by Peter Xiong. Find more of his work


    Iain Woodhouse: Understanding Radar Satellite Images - MBM#37 Jan 15, 2023
    Show notes

    Iain Woodhouse is a Professor of Applied Earth Observation at the University of Edinburgh, the author of multiple books & course on Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) and one of the best people to explain radar remote sensing with decades of experience teaching but also working in the industry.

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    About Iain

    • Twitter
    • LinkedIn
    • Blog
    • Iain's current course on Earth Observation at the University of Edinburgh

    Shownotes
    Note: Links to books are Amazon Affiliate links. I earn a small commission if you buy any of these books.

    • Introduction to Microwave Remote Sensing (Affiliate Link)
    • Echoes in Space MOOC by ESA
    • How Earth Observation Ends: or, Everything you wanted to know about typing pools but were afraid to ask.
    • Earthblox
    • 101 Tips for PhD Students: (Affiliate link)
    • Book & Podcast recommendation
      • Thinking Fast & Slow by Daniel Kahneman (Affiliate Link)
      • Never Split the Difference by Chris Voss (Affiliate Link)
      • Harvard Business Review Podcast

    Timestamps

    00:00 Introduction

    02:03 Conversation Begins: Getting Into Earth Observation

    07:30 Remote Sensing in the 80s

    10:25 NASA's Inspirational Power

    13:47 The Moment Iain Knew He Wanted to Become An Educator

    16:10 Free Education

    19:11 Explaining SAR from the beginning

    24:56 The 'Intuitive' Way of Understanding SAR

    29:08 The Most Interesting Aspects of SAR

    37:20 Comparing Optical to Radar

    40:17 SAR's Military History

    45:48 Military Contracts Subsidise Commercial SAR

    49:35 The Impact of New Space on SAR

    52:41 The trendline of SAR

    57:41 What most excites Iain in Earth Observation today

    01:01:44 Earthblox

    01:03:57 Who is Earthblox for?

    01:05:33 Earthblox's business model

    01:08:37 Open Source & Closed Platforms

    01:13:58 Closed Platforms in an Educational setting

    01:20:04 Typing Pools: Automation Is Coming

    01:30:30 Having a foot in Academia & Industry

    01:35:59 The Importance of Art

    01:40:51 Fostering creativity for scientific people

    01:44:25 Advice for People entering Earth Observation

    01:48:21 Book and Podcast Recommendation

    Feel free to reach out!
    - Website
    - My Twitter
    - Podcast Twitter
    - Read Previous Issues of the Newsletter
    - Edited by Peter Xiong. Find more of his work


    2022 Recap: Best Moments From Conversations this Year - MBM#36 Jan 01, 2023
    Show notes

    As 2022 wraps up, I wanted to bring some of the most insightful moments from conversations over the past year: 12 clips from 12 conversations.
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    Timestamps:
    00:00 Introduction
    02:32 Steve Coast: The Next Thing that would Blow Up Openstreetmap
    06:39 Barbara Ryan: How Landsat Became Free & Open
    17:52 Jeffrey Lewis: Calling Out the Invasion of Ukraine an hour before it happened
    23:47 Arjen Vrielink: Using Remote Sensing to Prevent Deforestation
    32:07 Indra Den Bakker: Finding Product Market Fit with Satellite Image Analytics
    37:49 Jeff Crusey: How Venture Capitalism Works (Applied to Earth Observation)
    44:01 Mo Islam: Why Investors Don't Quite Understand Earth Observation Just Yet
    50:46 Kevin Pomfret: Why Law Makers Don't Understand Geospatial
    54:50 Andrew Blum: Concerns About the Privatisation of Weather Forecasting
    58:32 Hamed Alemohammad: Difference Between Google Earth Engine, Microsoft Planetary Computer & AWS
    01:03:47 Catherine Nakalembe: Food Security is More than Food in Stores
    01:10:00 Jean Martin Bauer: We Need More than Knowing Where Food is Needed
    01:15:10: Conclusion

    Links to full conversations:
    - Steve Coast
    - Barbara Ryan
    - Jeffrey Lewis
    - Arjen Vrielink
    - Indra Den Bakker
    - Jeff Crusey
    - Mo Islam
    - Kevin Pomfret
    - Andrew Blum
    - Hamed Alemohammad
    - Catherine Nakalembe
    - Jean-Martin Bauer

    Feel free to reach out!
    - Website
    - My Twitter
    - Podcast Twitter
    - Read Previous Issues of the Newsletter


    Andrew Blum: Understanding How We Predict the Weather - MBM#35 Dec 15, 2022
    Show notes

    Andrew Blum is the author of 'The Weather Machine', which provides a history & global overview of how we predict the weather, from the data collection to forecast modelling. His book came out in 2019 so we also discuss the current evolutions & changes since its release.

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    About Andrew:

    Website

    Twitter

    Shownotes:

    Andrew Blum's books

    • The Weather Machine
    • Tubes

    Micheal Lewis, author of the Big Short

    Book & Podcast recommendation

    • Tomorrow & tomorrow & tomorrow by Gabrielle Zevin
    • The Carbon Copy
    • Wind of Change
    • Patrick Radden Keefe

    Timestamps:
    00:00 Introduction
    02:50 Andrew Presents Himself
    03:46 Difference between author and journalist
    08:14 Choosing What to Write About
    12:35 The Goal of Writing a Book
    14:34 The Importance of Going on Location
    17:04 The Duality of Talking About People / Facts
    20:12 Initial Email Outreach is takes a lot of care
    25:37 Weather Is International Yet Competitive
    27:52 Bringing An Outsiders Perspective to Understanding the Weather
    32:55 Being Knowledgeable is Simply Asking Better Questions
    37:36 The Difference Between Facts, and how we Find those Facts
    41:13 The Need for Separating Building & Owning
    45:10 Feedback on the Weather Machine, a few years After its Release
    51:52 The Dangers of Privatising Weather
    01:01:11 How Good do we Actually Need Forecasts to be?
    01:05:23 Weather is THE mainstream Earth Observation application
    01:09:00 Data Inequality in Weather Forecasting Quality
    01:14:44 How Much Does it Cost to run the Weather Machine?
    01:18:15 Tips on Writing & Editing, for non-writers
    01:21:44 Advice for the Scientific Community
    01:27:21 Book/podcast recommendation

    Feel free to reach out!
    - Website
    - My Twitter
    - Podcast Twitter
    - Read Previous Issues of the Newsletter
    - Edited by Peter Xiong. Find more of his work


    Hamed Alemohammad: Open Machine Learning for Satellite Imagery - MBM#34 Dec 01, 2022
    Show notes

    Hamed Alemohammad was the previous Executive Director of the Radiant Earth Foundation, a Non-Profit focused on building open machine learning tools & datasets for satellite imagery through projects like the ML Hub & STAC, Spatio Temporal Asset Catalog.

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    About Hamed
    - Twitter
    - LinkedIn

    Shownotes

    • LandCoverNet
      • Paper
      • ML Hub datasets
    • Radiant Earth Foundation
    • Data Driven
    • Clark names inaugural director of Clark Labs: Center for Geospatial Analytics
    • Book Recommendation
      • Atomic Habits by James Clear

    Timestamps
    00:00 Introduction
    03:01 Hamed's Interest for Earth Observation
    08:53 Joining the Radiant Earth Foundation
    10:25 What is the Radiant Earth Foundation?
    12:14 Why a Non-Profit?
    15:34 Finances & Incentives: Where does the money come from?
    19:10 Choosing to focus on Machine Learning; ML Hub
    26:43 Capacity & Community Building
    30:42 Only a 10 people team
    34:44 Comparing to Google Earth Engine, AWS & Microsoft Planetary Computer
    41:01 Making Decisions & Measuring Progress in a Non-Profit
    44:12 Machine Learning Competitions & Kaggle
    48:22 Challenges of Working with External Organizations
    51:19 Building Models is Sexy but only a small part of Machine Learning
    55:55 Who is the ML Hub build for?
    57:59 From Researcher to Executive Director
    01:01:37 What does being on the Board of Directors Mean?
    01:06:18 Hamed's Journey from Iran to working in the US
    01:11:03 Advice for people outside the US & Europe
    01:15:46 The limitations of English for a truly worldwide reach

    Feel free to reach out!
    - Website
    - My Twitter
    - Podcast Twitter
    - Read Previous Issues of the Newsletter
    - Edited by Peter Xiong. Find more of his work


    Mo Islam: The Space Industry is Changing, So Is How It's Reported On - MBM #33 Nov 15, 2022
    Show notes

    Mo Islam is the Co-Founder & CEO of Payload, a Modern Media Company build around a daily newsletter reporting on the Space Industry.

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    Episode Sponsor: GeoAwesomeness & UP42 EO Hub
    Geoawesomeness
    UP42
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    Shownotes:
    - Subscribe to Payload!
    - Pathfinder, their podcast
    - Crowdfunded SpaceX round of investment
    - Book & Podcast Recommendations
    - Engines that move markets
    - The Portal, Episode with Peter Thiel
    - For All Mankind
    - Payload's space-themed playlist

    Timestamps:
    00:00 Introduction
    03:34 Episode Begins: From Banking to Space Media
    07:41 Deciding to start a Newsletter
    12:19 Doing to Media what Happened to New Space
    14:21 Deciding to Focus on 'High Value Readers''
    19:50 Getting Feedback
    21:52 Payload's Target Audience
    31:21 Earth Observation
    35:33 Challenges of Reporting on Technical Fields
    38:18 What Is Worth Reporting On
    43:05 Earth Observation is Tough for Investors
    50:18 Information Over Opinion
    55:04 What Happened to the Earth Observation SPACs
    59:35 Predictions: Earth Observation companies Getting Acquired
    01:01:58 Would Google or Facebook buy an EO Company?
    01:05:19 Other Forms of Media & TikTok
    01:09:11 The Media Funnel
    01:13:27 Focus & Analogy With Software Products
    01:15:34 Payload's EndGame
    01:18:10 Books & Podcast Recommendations
    01:22:59 Music & Other Arts Around Space
    01:24:24 Pathfinder Spotify Playlist

    Feel free to reach out!
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    - My Twitter
    - Podcast Twitter
    - Read Previous Issues of the Newsletter
    - Edited by Peter Xiong. Find more of his work


    Daniel O'Donohue (#2): Building Mapscaping: the Biggest Geospatial Podcast, Finding What to Do in Life & Mentorship - MBM #32 Nov 01, 2022
    Show notes

    Daniel O'Donohue is the host of the Mapscaping Podcast, the biggest geospatial podcast out there. Over the past 5 years and 180 episode Daniel has talked to hundreds of professionals in the geospatial industry. This is his 2nd time on the podcast, since last time the podcast has grown, he's become a close friend, and recently quit his job

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    About Daniel:

    • Twitter
    • LinkedIn

    Shownotes

    • Mapscaping podcast
    • My interview with Steve Coast
    • The million follower instagram account that only shows satellite images
    • Podcast Recommendations:
      • Akimbo
      • Hidden Brain
    • Podcast Addict
    • Fountain
    • Overcast

    Timestamps:
    00:00 - Introduction
    03:17- Daniel's Evolution Over the Past Year
    06:16 - Why Daniel Quit His Job
    14:40 - Learning from Past Experiences
    16:46 - Stay Motivated Over the Long Run
    19:25 - Deciding To Show Up As A Professional
    25:24 - Authenticity
    28:49 - Editing Is Caring
    30:09 - Behind The Scenes of Steve Coast's Interview
    34:20 - Packaging Ideas & The Burden of Understanding
    38:55 - A Piece of Unsolicited Advice
    41:53 - Mentorship
    45:30 - What Daniel Gets Out of Mentorship
    49:04 - What I Get Out of It
    52:41 - Finding Mentorship in Your Career
    56:14 - What's Next For Daniel & Mapscaping?
    01:01:55 - Hiring
    01:07:35 - Having Been An Employee Helps Hiring
    01:13:56 - Marketing in Geospatial
    01:20:58 - The Million Follower Instagram Account About Satellite Images
    01:25:25 - Getting Better at Communicating
    01:28:20 - Daniel's Twitter Isn't His Name
    01:31:48 - Podcast Recommendations
    01:33:29 - Youtube is The Biggest Podcast Player (Or Is It?)

    Feel free to reach out!
    - Website
    - My Twitter
    - Podcast Twitter
    - Read Previous Issues of the Newsletter
    - Edited by Peter Xiong. Find more of his work


    Joshua Stevens - Visualising NASA's Satellite Imagery - MBM #31 Oct 15, 2022
    Show notes

    Joshua Stevens is the Lead Visualiser at NASA's Earth Observatory. Him & his team works on making satellite imagery more accessible to the general public by making visualisation of common imagery like Landsat or MODIS.

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    Episode Sponsor: Geoawesomeness & UP42
    EO Hub
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    UP42
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    About Joshua:

    • Twitter
    • LinkedIn
    • Website

    Shownotes

    • FEMA
    • NASA Earth Observatory
    • Tom Patterson
    • Book & Podcast Recommendations:
      • Radio Lab
      • Thematic Cartography and Geovisualization

    Timestamps

    00:00 - Introduction

    02:46 - Conversation Begins: Joshua Presenting Himself

    04:52 - From Photography to Computer Science

    06:14 - Joshua's Current Role: Lead Visualizer at Nasa Earth Observatory

    07:04 - Why are Visualisations Important

    08:25 - Is it Important that the Public Understands Satellite Imagery?

    11:50 - Graphic Design & Scientific Data

    16:35 - Storms: Visualisation Example

    18:20 - Deciding where to look at, which Stories to Tell

    22:18 - Collaborations: Governmental Agencies & Media

    27:20 - Accessible Designs: Colour-blindness

    31:47 - A Tangent on Data Formats: NetCDF & GeoTiff

    37:34 - Teaching

    38:54 - Tools & Methods

    42:42 - Interactive & Online Media driving different Visualisations

    46:41 - Satellite Data in the Movie & Ad Industry

    48:43 - Interactive Data

    51:02 - Advice for People Working with Scientific Data

    54:20 - Writing & Being Present Online

    55:35 - Favourite Visualisations

    57:46 - Books & Podcast Recommendations

    Feel free to reach out!
    - Website
    - My Twitter
    - Podcast Twitter
    - Read Previous Issues of the Newsletter
    - Edited by Peter Xiong. Find more of his work


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