Mind Over Murder

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BONUS: Murderland: Crime and Bloodlust in the Time of Serial Killers Oct 24, 2025

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Pulitzer Prize-winning writer Caroline Fraser joins "Mind Over Murder" co-hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley to discuss her new book "Murderland: Crime and Bloodlust in the Time of Serial Killers." The work explores the provocative premise that environmental toxins may have led men living in the Pacific Northwest to become serial killers. Could a poisonous mix of lead, copper and arsenic fumes spewing out of a massive industrial smelting plant in Tacoma, Washington have impacted those living in its shadow? This bonus episode of "Mind Over Murder" originally ran on June 30, 2025.
Murderland: Crime and Bloodlust in the Time of Serial Killers
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/741809/murderland-by-caroline-fraser/
Murderland on Goodreads:
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/217927444-murderland?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=FuNcX09PwP&rank=1#CommunityReviews
WTKR News 3: One year after development in Colonial Parkway Murders, where do things stand?
https://www.wtkr.com/news/in-the-community/historic-triangle/one-year-after-development-in-colonial-parkway-murders-where-do-things-stand
Won't you help the Mind Over Murder podcast increase our visibility and shine the spotlight on the "Colonial Parkway Murders" and other unsolved cases? Contribute any amount you can here:
https://www.gofundme.com/f/mind-over-murder-podcast-expenses?utm_campaign=p_lico+share-sheet&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_source=customer
WTVR CBS News: Colonial Parkway murders victims' families keep hope cases will be solved:
https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/colonial-parkway-murders-update-april-19-2024
WAVY TV 10 News: New questions raised in Colonial Parkway murders:
https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/new-questions-raised-in-colonial-parkway-murders/
Alan Wade Wilmer, Sr. has been named as the killer of Robin Edwards and David Knobling in the Colonial Parkway Murders in September 1987, as well as the murderer of Teresa Howell in June 1989. He has also been linked to the April 1988 disappearance and likely murder of Keith Call and Cassandra Hailey, another pair in the Colonial Parkway Murders.
13News Now investigates: A serial killer's DNA will not be entered into CODIS database:
https://www.13newsnow.com/video/news/local/13news-now-investigates/291-e82a9e0b-38e3-4f95-982a-40e960a71e49
WAVY TV 10 on the Colonial Parkway Murders Announcement with photos:
https://www.wavy.com/news/crime/deceased-man-identified-as-suspect-in-decades-old-homicides/
WTKR News 3
https://www.wtkr.com/news/is-man-linked-to-one-of-the-colonial-parkway-murders-connected-to-the-other-cases
Virginian Pilot: Who was Alan Wade Wilmer Sr.? Man suspected in two ‘Colonial Parkway’ murders died alone in 2017
https://www.pilotonline.com/2024/01/14/who-was-alan-wade-wilmer-sr-man-suspected-in-colonial-parkway-murders-died-alone-in-2017/
Colonial Parkway Murders Facebook page with more than 18,000 followers: https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase
You can also participate in an in-depth discussion of the Colonial Parkway Murders here:
https://earonsgsk.proboards.com/board/50/colonial-parkway-murders
Mind Over Murder is proud to be a Spreaker Prime Podcaster:
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Join the discussion on our Mind Over Murder
Colonial Parkway Murders website: https://colonialparkwaymurders.com
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We launch a new episode of "Mind Over Murder" every Monday morning, and a bonus episode every Thursday morning.
Sponsors: Othram and DNAsolves.com
Contribute Your DNA to help solve cases: https://dnasolves.com/user/register
Follow "Mind Over Murder" on Twitter: https://twitter.com/MurderOver
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All rights reserved. Mind Over Murder, Copyright Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley,
Another Dog Productions/Absolute Zero Productions
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NEW: Colonial Parkway Murders: Ask Us Anything (Part 3) Oct 20, 2025

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Join "Mind Over Murder" co-hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley in a new "Ask Us Anything" episode. We discuss the Colonial Parkway Murders, Bill's older brother Richard's recent memorial service, and the Thomas family's discovery via DNA search of a long lost sister and the family secret that kept her hidden for 50 years. This is Part 3 of our brand new "Ask Us Anything" series on the Colonial Parkway Murders.
American Detective TV series: Colonial Parkway Murders:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp3rNRZnL0E
Washingtonian: A Murder on the Rappahannock River:
https://www.washingtonian.com/2019/06/27/murder-on-the-rappahannock-river-emerson-stevens-mary-harding-innocence-project/
WTKR News 3: One year after development in Colonial Parkway Murders, where do things stand?
https://www.wtkr.com/news/in-the-community/historic-triangle/one-year-after-development-in-colonial-parkway-murders-where-do-things-stand
Won't you help the Mind Over Murder podcast increase our visibility and shine the spotlight on the "Colonial Parkway Murders" and other unsolved cases? Contribute any amount you can here:
https://www.gofundme.com/f/mind-over-murder-podcast-expenses?utm_campaign=p_lico+share-sheet&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_source=customer
WTVR CBS News: Colonial Parkway murders victims' families keep hope cases will be solved:
https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/colonial-parkway-murders-update-april-19-2024
WAVY TV 10 News: New questions raised in Colonial Parkway murders:
https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/new-questions-raised-in-colonial-parkway-murders/
Alan Wade Wilmer, Sr. has been named as the killer of Robin Edwards and David Knobling in the Colonial Parkway Murders in September 1987, as well as the murderer of Teresa Howell in June 1989. He has also been linked to the April 1988 disappearance and likely murder of Keith Call and Cassandra Hailey, another pair in the Colonial Parkway Murders.
13News Now investigates: A serial killer's DNA will not be entered into CODIS database:
https://www.13newsnow.com/video/news/local/13news-now-investigates/291-e82a9e0b-38e3-4f95-982a-40e960a71e49
WAVY TV 10 on the Colonial Parkway Murders Announcement with photos:
https://www.wavy.com/news/crime/deceased-man-identified-as-suspect-in-decades-old-homicides/
WTKR News 3
https://www.wtkr.com/news/is-man-linked-to-one-of-the-colonial-parkway-murders-connected-to-the-other-cases
Virginian Pilot: Who was Alan Wade Wilmer Sr.? Man suspected in two ‘Colonial Parkway’ murders died alone in 2017
https://www.pilotonline.com/2024/01/14/who-was-alan-wade-wilmer-sr-man-suspected-in-colonial-parkway-murders-died-alone-in-2017/
Colonial Parkway Murders Facebook page with more than 18,000 followers: https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase
You can also participate in an in-depth discussion of the Colonial Parkway Murders here:
https://earonsgsk.proboards.com/board/50/colonial-parkway-murders
Mind Over Murder is proud to be a Spreaker Prime Podcaster:
https://www.spreaker.com
Join the discussion on our Mind Over Murder
Colonial Parkway Murders website: https://colonialparkwaymurders.com
Mind Over Murder Podcast website: https://mindovermurderpodcast.com
Please subscribe and rate us at your favorite podcast sites. Ratings and reviews are very important. Please share and tell your friends!
We launch a new episode of "Mind Over Murder" every Monday morning, and a bonus episode every Thursday morning.
Sponsors: Othram and DNAsolves.com
Contribute Your DNA to help solve cases: https://dnasolves.com/user/register
Follow "Mind Over Murder" on Twitter: https://twitter.com/MurderOver
Follow Bill Thomas on Twitter: https://twitter.com/BillThomas56
Follow "Colonial Parkway Murders" on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase/
Follow us on InstaGram:: https://www.instagram.com/colonialparkwaymurders/
Check out the entire Crawlspace Media network at http://crawlspace-media.com/
All rights reserved. Mind Over Murder, Copyright Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley,
Another Dog Productions/Absolute Zero Productions
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/mind-over-murder--4847179/support.

BONUS: Junk Science and the American Justice System Oct 16, 2025

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"Mind Over Murder" hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley are joined by Chris Fabricant of the Innocence Project to discuss his new edition of his book, "Junk Science and the American Criminal Justice System." Chris describes the shocking story of how discredited scientific forensics have been used in thousands of wrongful convictions across the United States. This bonus episode of "Mind Over Murder" originally ran on June 23, 2025.
Goodreads: Junk Science and the American Criminal Justice System:
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/59427482-junk-science-and-the-american-criminal-justice-system
WTKR News 3: One year after development in Colonial Parkway Murders, where do things stand?
https://www.wtkr.com/news/in-the-community/historic-triangle/one-year-after-development-in-colonial-parkway-murders-where-do-things-stand
Won't you help the Mind Over Murder podcast increase our visibility and shine the spotlight on the "Colonial Parkway Murders" and other unsolved cases? Contribute any amount you can here:
https://www.gofundme.com/f/mind-over-murder-podcast-expenses?utm_campaign=p_lico+share-sheet&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_source=customer
WTVR CBS News: Colonial Parkway murders victims' families keep hope cases will be solved:
https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/colonial-parkway-murders-update-april-19-2024
WAVY TV 10 News: New questions raised in Colonial Parkway murders:
https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/new-questions-raised-in-colonial-parkway-murders/
Alan Wade Wilmer, Sr. has been named as the killer of Robin Edwards and David Knobling in the Colonial Parkway Murders in September 1987, as well as the murderer of Teresa Howell in June 1989. He has also been linked to the April 1988 disappearance and likely murder of Keith Call and Cassandra Hailey, another pair in the Colonial Parkway Murders.
13News Now investigates: A serial killer's DNA will not be entered into CODIS database:
https://www.13newsnow.com/video/news/local/13news-now-investigates/291-e82a9e0b-38e3-4f95-982a-40e960a71e49
WAVY TV 10 on the Colonial Parkway Murders Announcement with photos:
https://www.wavy.com/news/crime/deceased-man-identified-as-suspect-in-decades-old-homicides/
WTKR News 3
https://www.wtkr.com/news/is-man-linked-to-one-of-the-colonial-parkway-murders-connected-to-the-other-cases
Virginian Pilot: Who was Alan Wade Wilmer Sr.? Man suspected in two ‘Colonial Parkway’ murders died alone in 2017
https://www.pilotonline.com/2024/01/14/who-was-alan-wade-wilmer-sr-man-suspected-in-colonial-parkway-murders-died-alone-in-2017/
Colonial Parkway Murders Facebook page with more than 18,000 followers: https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase
You can also participate in an in-depth discussion of the Colonial Parkway Murders here:
https://earonsgsk.proboards.com/board/50/colonial-parkway-murders
Mind Over Murder is proud to be a Spreaker Prime Podcaster:
https://www.spreaker.com
Join the discussion on our Mind Over Murder
Colonial Parkway Murders website: https://colonialparkwaymurders.com
Mind Over Murder Podcast website: https://mindovermurderpodcast.com
Please subscribe and rate us at your favorite podcast sites. Ratings and reviews are very important. Please share and tell your friends!
We launch a new episode of "Mind Over Murder" every Monday morning, and a bonus episode every Thursday morning.
Sponsors: Othram and DNAsolves.com
Contribute Your DNA to help solve cases: https://dnasolves.com/user/register
Follow "Mind Over Murder" on Twitter: https://twitter.com/MurderOver
Follow Bill Thomas on Twitter: https://twitter.com/BillThomas56
Follow "Colonial Parkway Murders" on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase/
Follow us on InstaGram:: https://www.instagram.com/colonialparkwaymurders/
Check out the entire Crawlspace Media network at http://crawlspace-media.com/
All rights reserved. Mind Over Murder, Copyright Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley,
Another Dog Productions/Absolute Zero Productions
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NEW: Human Trafficking with Jerome Elam Oct 13, 2025

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Join "Mind Over Murder" co-hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley as they interview Jerome Elam, expert on human trafficking and chairman of the Trafficking in America Task Force. Learn how kids, young people and adults are trafficked and how they are drawn into this sordid multimillion dollar business where humans are traded for sex, drugs, money, and even human organs.
Trafficking in America Task Force:
https://traffickinginamericataskforce.org/
National Human Trafficking Hotline: 800-373-7888
National Center for Missing and Exploited Children: 800-843-5678
American Detective TV series: Colonial Parkway Murders:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp3rNRZnL0E
Washingtonian: A Murder on the Rappahannock River:
https://www.washingtonian.com/2019/06/27/murder-on-the-rappahannock-river-emerson-stevens-mary-harding-innocence-project/
WTKR News 3: One year after development in Colonial Parkway Murders, where do things stand?
https://www.wtkr.com/news/in-the-community/historic-triangle/one-year-after-development-in-colonial-parkway-murders-where-do-things-stand
Won't you help the Mind Over Murder podcast increase our visibility and shine the spotlight on the "Colonial Parkway Murders" and other unsolved cases? Contribute any amount you can here:
https://www.gofundme.com/f/mind-over-murder-podcast-expenses?utm_campaign=p_lico+share-sheet&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_source=customer
WTVR CBS News: Colonial Parkway murders victims' families keep hope cases will be solved:
https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/colonial-parkway-murders-update-april-19-2024
WAVY TV 10 News: New questions raised in Colonial Parkway murders:
https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/new-questions-raised-in-colonial-parkway-murders/
Alan Wade Wilmer, Sr. has been named as the killer of Robin Edwards and David Knobling in the Colonial Parkway Murders in September 1987, as well as the murderer of Teresa Howell in June 1989. He has also been linked to the April 1988 disappearance and likely murder of Keith Call and Cassandra Hailey, another pair in the Colonial Parkway Murders.
13News Now investigates: A serial killer's DNA will not be entered into CODIS database:
https://www.13newsnow.com/video/news/local/13news-now-investigates/291-e82a9e0b-38e3-4f95-982a-40e960a71e49
WAVY TV 10 on the Colonial Parkway Murders Announcement with photos:
https://www.wavy.com/news/crime/deceased-man-identified-as-suspect-in-decades-old-homicides/
WTKR News 3
https://www.wtkr.com/news/is-man-linked-to-one-of-the-colonial-parkway-murders-connected-to-the-other-cases
Virginian Pilot: Who was Alan Wade Wilmer Sr.? Man suspected in two ‘Colonial Parkway’ murders died alone in 2017
https://www.pilotonline.com/2024/01/14/who-was-alan-wade-wilmer-sr-man-suspected-in-colonial-parkway-murders-died-alone-in-2017/
Colonial Parkway Murders Facebook page with more than 18,000 followers: https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase
You can also participate in an in-depth discussion of the Colonial Parkway Murders here:
https://earonsgsk.proboards.com/board/50/colonial-parkway-murders
Mind Over Murder is proud to be a Spreaker Prime Podcaster:
https://www.spreaker.com
Join the discussion on our Mind Over Murder
Colonial Parkway Murders website: https://colonialparkwaymurders.com
Mind Over Murder Podcast website: https://mindovermurderpodcast.com
Please subscribe and rate us at your favorite podcast sites. Ratings and reviews are very important. Please share and tell your friends!
We launch a new episode of "Mind Over Murder" every Monday morning, and a bonus episode every Thursday morning.
Sponsors: Othram and DNAsolves.com
Contribute Your DNA to help solve cases: https://dnasolves.com/user/register
Follow "Mind Over Murder" on Twitter: https://twitter.com/MurderOver
Follow Bill Thomas on Twitter: https://twitter.com/BillThomas56
Follow "Colonial Parkway Murders" on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase/
Follow us on InstaGram:: https://www.instagram.com/colonialparkwaymurders/
Check out the entire Crawlspace Media network at http://crawlspace-media.com/
All rights reserved. Mind Over Murder, Copyright Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley,
Another Dog Productions/Absolute Zero Productions
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/mind-over-murder--4847179/support.

BONUS: The D B Cooper Vortex (Part 4) Oct 09, 2025

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"Mind Over Murder" hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley discuss the mysterious case of D B Cooper with Darren Schaefer, the host of "The Cooper Vortex" podcast. Dan "DB" Cooper, who successfully hijacked a Northwest Airlines passenger jet and parachuted into the dense forest of the Pacific Northwest. He was never caught, although a small amount of the $200,000 ransom was later recovered. This bonus episode is Part 4 of 4 parts on the Dan "DB" Cooper case, and originally ran on June 16, 2025.
The Cooper Vortex Podcast:
https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/
October 2023 Popular Mechanics article--Newcomb:
https://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/airlines/a43298881/db-cooper-case-could-be-
solved-dna/
October 2023 Popular Mechanics article—Natale:
https://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/a45639586/who-was-db-cooper/
January 2024 Popular Mechanics article:
https://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/a46332899/new-evidence-db-cooper-mystery/
February 2024 Popular Mechanics article:
https://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/a46788110/db-cooper-confession-new-
evidence-identity/
History.Com: https://www.history.com/articles/who-was-d-b-cooper
FBI.GOV: https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/db-cooper-hijacking
September 2011 NPR: All Things Considered interview:
https://www.npr.org/2011/09/25/140216653/skyjack-the-unsolved-case-of-d-b-coopers-
escape
DB Cooper: https://dbcooperhijack.com/2019/01/04/d-b-cooper-cary-grant-and-the-
1959-film-north-by-northwest/
WTKR News 3: One year after development in Colonial Parkway Murders, where do things stand?
https://www.wtkr.com/news/in-the-community/historic-triangle/one-year-after-development-in-colonial-parkway-murders-where-do-things-stand
Won't you help the Mind Over Murder podcast increase our visibility and shine the spotlight on the "Colonial Parkway Murders" and other unsolved cases? Contribute any amount you can here:
https://www.gofundme.com/f/mind-over-murder-podcast-expenses?utm_campaign=p_lico+share-sheet&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_source=customer
WTVR CBS News: Colonial Parkway murders victims' families keep hope cases will be solved:
https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/colonial-parkway-murders-update-april-19-2024
WAVY TV 10 News: New questions raised in Colonial Parkway murders:
https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/new-questions-raised-in-colonial-parkway-murders/
Alan Wade Wilmer, Sr. has been named as the killer of Robin Edwards and David Knobling in the Colonial Parkway Murders in September 1987, as well as the murderer of Teresa Howell in June 1989. He has also been linked to the April 1988 disappearance and likely murder of Keith Call and Cassandra Hailey, another pair in the Colonial Parkway Murders.
13News Now investigates: A serial killer's DNA will not be entered into CODIS database:
https://www.13newsnow.com/video/news/local/13news-now-investigates/291-e82a9e0b-38e3-4f95-982a-40e960a71e49
WAVY TV 10 on the Colonial Parkway Murders Announcement with photos:
https://www.wavy.com/news/crime/deceased-man-identified-as-suspect-in-decades-old-homicides/
WTKR News 3
https://www.wtkr.com/news/is-man-linked-to-one-of-the-colonial-parkway-murders-connected-to-the-other-cases
Virginian Pilot: Who was Alan Wade Wilmer Sr.? Man suspected in two ‘Colonial Parkway’ murders died alone in 2017
https://www.pilotonline.com/2024/01/14/who-was-alan-wade-wilmer-sr-man-suspected-in-colonial-parkway-murders-died-alone-in-2017/
Colonial Parkway Murders Facebook page with more than 18,000 followers: https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase
You can also participate in an in-depth discussion of the Colonial Parkway Murders here:
https://earonsgsk.proboards.com/board/50/colonial-parkway-murders
Mind Over Murder is proud to be a Spreaker Prime Podcaster:
https://www.spreaker.com
Join the discussion on our Mind Over Murder
Colonial Parkway Murders website: https://colonialparkwaymurders.com
Mind Over Murder Podcast website: https://mindovermurderpodcast.com
Please subscribe and rate us at your favorite podcast sites. Ratings and reviews are very important. Please share and tell your friends!
We launch a new episode of "Mind Over Murder" every Monday morning, and a bonus episode every Thursday morning.
Sponsors: Othram and DNAsolves.com
Contribute Your DNA to help solve cases: https://dnasolves.com/user/register
Follow "Mind Over Murder" on Twitter: https://twitter.com/MurderOver
Follow Bill Thomas on Twitter: https://twitter.com/BillThomas56
Follow "Colonial Parkway Murders" on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase/
Follow us on InstaGram:: https://www.instagram.com/colonialparkwaymurders/
Check out the entire Crawlspace Media network at http://crawlspace-media.com/
All rights reserved. Mind Over Murder, Copyright Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley,
Another Dog Productions/Absolute Zero Productions
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/mind-over-murder--4847179/support.

NEW: Colonial Parkway Murders: Ask Us Anything (Part 2) Oct 06, 2025

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Join "Mind Over Murder" co-hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley in a new "Ask Us Anything" episode focused on the Colonial Parkway Murders. We answer questions, give a status report on the Colonial Parkway Murders case-- still unsolved after nearly 39 years--, highlight more stalling from the FBI, new potential accomplices to suspect Alan Wade Wilmer, Sr. , and much more. This is Part 2 of our brand new "Ask Us Anything" series on the Colonial Parkway Murders.
American Detective TV series: Colonial Parkway Murders:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp3rNRZnL0E
Washingtonian: A Murder on the Rappahannock River:
https://www.washingtonian.com/2019/06/27/murder-on-the-rappahannock-river-emerson-stevens-mary-harding-innocence-project/
WTKR News 3: One year after development in Colonial Parkway Murders, where do things stand?
https://www.wtkr.com/news/in-the-community/historic-triangle/one-year-after-development-in-colonial-parkway-murders-where-do-things-stand
Won't you help the Mind Over Murder podcast increase our visibility and shine the spotlight on the "Colonial Parkway Murders" and other unsolved cases? Contribute any amount you can here:
https://www.gofundme.com/f/mind-over-murder-podcast-expenses?utm_campaign=p_lico+share-sheet&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_source=customer
WTVR CBS News: Colonial Parkway murders victims' families keep hope cases will be solved:
https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/colonial-parkway-murders-update-april-19-2024
WAVY TV 10 News: New questions raised in Colonial Parkway murders:
https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/new-questions-raised-in-colonial-parkway-murders/
Alan Wade Wilmer, Sr. has been named as the killer of Robin Edwards and David Knobling in the Colonial Parkway Murders in September 1987, as well as the murderer of Teresa Howell in June 1989. He has also been linked to the April 1988 disappearance and likely murder of Keith Call and Cassandra Hailey, another pair in the Colonial Parkway Murders.
13News Now investigates: A serial killer's DNA will not be entered into CODIS database:
https://www.13newsnow.com/video/news/local/13news-now-investigates/291-e82a9e0b-38e3-4f95-982a-40e960a71e49
WAVY TV 10 on the Colonial Parkway Murders Announcement with photos:
https://www.wavy.com/news/crime/deceased-man-identified-as-suspect-in-decades-old-homicides/
WTKR News 3
https://www.wtkr.com/news/is-man-linked-to-one-of-the-colonial-parkway-murders-connected-to-the-other-cases
Virginian Pilot: Who was Alan Wade Wilmer Sr.? Man suspected in two ‘Colonial Parkway’ murders died alone in 2017
https://www.pilotonline.com/2024/01/14/who-was-alan-wade-wilmer-sr-man-suspected-in-colonial-parkway-murders-died-alone-in-2017/
Colonial Parkway Murders Facebook page with more than 18,000 followers: https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase
You can also participate in an in-depth discussion of the Colonial Parkway Murders here:
https://earonsgsk.proboards.com/board/50/colonial-parkway-murders
Mind Over Murder is proud to be a Spreaker Prime Podcaster:
https://www.spreaker.com
Join the discussion on our Mind Over Murder
Colonial Parkway Murders website: https://colonialparkwaymurders.com
Mind Over Murder Podcast website: https://mindovermurderpodcast.com
Please subscribe and rate us at your favorite podcast sites. Ratings and reviews are very important. Please share and tell your friends!
We launch a new episode of "Mind Over Murder" every Monday morning, and a bonus episode every Thursday morning.
Sponsors: Othram and DNAsolves.com
Contribute Your DNA to help solve cases: https://dnasolves.com/user/register
Follow "Mind Over Murder" on Twitter: https://twitter.com/MurderOver
Follow Bill Thomas on Twitter: https://twitter.com/BillThomas56
Follow "Colonial Parkway Murders" on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase/
Follow us on InstaGram:: https://www.instagram.com/colonialparkwaymurders/
Check out the entire Crawlspace Media network at http://crawlspace-media.com/
All rights reserved. Mind Over Murder, Copyright Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley,
Another Dog Productions/Absolute Zero Productions
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/mind-over-murder--4847179/support.

BONUS: The D B Cooper Vortex (Part 3) Oct 02, 2025

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"Mind Over Murder" hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley discuss the mysterious case of D B Cooper with Darren Schaefer, the host of "The Cooper Vortex" podcast. Dan "DB" Cooper, who successfully hijacked a Northwest Airlines passenger jet and parachuted into the dense forest of the Pacific Northwest. He was never caught, although a small amount of the $200,000 ransom was later recovered. This bonus episode is Part 3 of 4 parts on the Dan "DB" Cooper case, and originally ran on June 9, 2025.
The Cooper Vortex Podcast:
https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/
October 2023 Popular Mechanics article--Newcomb:
https://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/airlines/a43298881/db-cooper-case-could-be-
solved-dna/
October 2023 Popular Mechanics article—Natale:
https://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/a45639586/who-was-db-cooper/
January 2024 Popular Mechanics article:
https://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/a46332899/new-evidence-db-cooper-mystery/
February 2024 Popular Mechanics article:
https://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/a46788110/db-cooper-confession-new-
evidence-identity/
History.Com: https://www.history.com/articles/who-was-d-b-cooper
FBI.GOV: https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/db-cooper-hijacking
September 2011 NPR: All Things Considered interview:
https://www.npr.org/2011/09/25/140216653/skyjack-the-unsolved-case-of-d-b-coopers-
escape
DB Cooper: https://dbcooperhijack.com/2019/01/04/d-b-cooper-cary-grant-and-the-
1959-film-north-by-northwest/
WTKR News 3: One year after development in Colonial Parkway Murders, where do things stand?
https://www.wtkr.com/news/in-the-community/historic-triangle/one-year-after-development-in-colonial-parkway-murders-where-do-things-stand
Won't you help the Mind Over Murder podcast increase our visibility and shine the spotlight on the "Colonial Parkway Murders" and other unsolved cases? Contribute any amount you can here:
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WTVR CBS News: Colonial Parkway murders victims' families keep hope cases will be solved:
https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/colonial-parkway-murders-update-april-19-2024
WAVY TV 10 News: New questions raised in Colonial Parkway murders:
https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/new-questions-raised-in-colonial-parkway-murders/
Alan Wade Wilmer, Sr. has been named as the killer of Robin Edwards and David Knobling in the Colonial Parkway Murders in September 1987, as well as the murderer of Teresa Howell in June 1989. He has also been linked to the April 1988 disappearance and likely murder of Keith Call and Cassandra Hailey, another pair in the Colonial Parkway Murders.
13News Now investigates: A serial killer's DNA will not be entered into CODIS database:
https://www.13newsnow.com/video/news/local/13news-now-investigates/291-e82a9e0b-38e3-4f95-982a-40e960a71e49
WAVY TV 10 on the Colonial Parkway Murders Announcement with photos:
https://www.wavy.com/news/crime/deceased-man-identified-as-suspect-in-decades-old-homicides/
WTKR News 3
https://www.wtkr.com/news/is-man-linked-to-one-of-the-colonial-parkway-murders-connected-to-the-other-cases
Virginian Pilot: Who was Alan Wade Wilmer Sr.? Man suspected in two ‘Colonial Parkway’ murders died alone in 2017
https://www.pilotonline.com/2024/01/14/who-was-alan-wade-wilmer-sr-man-suspected-in-colonial-parkway-murders-died-alone-in-2017/
Colonial Parkway Murders Facebook page with more than 18,000 followers: https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase
You can also participate in an in-depth discussion of the Colonial Parkway Murders here:
https://earonsgsk.proboards.com/board/50/colonial-parkway-murders
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NEW: Colonial Parkway Murders: Ask Us Anything (Part 1) Sep 29, 2025

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Join "Mind Over Murder" co-hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley in a new "Ask Us Anything" episode focused on the Colonial Parkway Murders. We answer questions, give a status report on the Colonial Parkway Murders case-- still unsolved after nearly 39 years--, highlight more stalling from the FBI, new potential accomplices to suspect Alan Wade Wilmer, Sr. , and much more. This is Part 1 of our brand new "Ask Us Anything" series on the Colonial Parkway Murders.
American Detective TV series: Colonial Parkway Murders:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp3rNRZnL0E
Washingtonian: A Murder on the Rappahannock River:
https://www.washingtonian.com/2019/06/27/murder-on-the-rappahannock-river-emerson-stevens-mary-harding-innocence-project/
WTKR News 3: One year after development in Colonial Parkway Murders, where do things stand?
https://www.wtkr.com/news/in-the-community/historic-triangle/one-year-after-development-in-colonial-parkway-murders-where-do-things-stand
Won't you help the Mind Over Murder podcast increase our visibility and shine the spotlight on the "Colonial Parkway Murders" and other unsolved cases? Contribute any amount you can here:
https://www.gofundme.com/f/mind-over-murder-podcast-expenses?utm_campaign=p_lico+share-sheet&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_source=customer
WTVR CBS News: Colonial Parkway murders victims' families keep hope cases will be solved:
https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/colonial-parkway-murders-update-april-19-2024
WAVY TV 10 News: New questions raised in Colonial Parkway murders:
https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/new-questions-raised-in-colonial-parkway-murders/
Alan Wade Wilmer, Sr. has been named as the killer of Robin Edwards and David Knobling in the Colonial Parkway Murders in September 1987, as well as the murderer of Teresa Howell in June 1989. He has also been linked to the April 1988 disappearance and likely murder of Keith Call and Cassandra Hailey, another pair in the Colonial Parkway Murders.
13News Now investigates: A serial killer's DNA will not be entered into CODIS database:
https://www.13newsnow.com/video/news/local/13news-now-investigates/291-e82a9e0b-38e3-4f95-982a-40e960a71e49
WAVY TV 10 on the Colonial Parkway Murders Announcement with photos:
https://www.wavy.com/news/crime/deceased-man-identified-as-suspect-in-decades-old-homicides/
WTKR News 3
https://www.wtkr.com/news/is-man-linked-to-one-of-the-colonial-parkway-murders-connected-to-the-other-cases
Virginian Pilot: Who was Alan Wade Wilmer Sr.? Man suspected in two ‘Colonial Parkway’ murders died alone in 2017
https://www.pilotonline.com/2024/01/14/who-was-alan-wade-wilmer-sr-man-suspected-in-colonial-parkway-murders-died-alone-in-2017/
Colonial Parkway Murders Facebook page with more than 18,000 followers: https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase
You can also participate in an in-depth discussion of the Colonial Parkway Murders here:
https://earonsgsk.proboards.com/board/50/colonial-parkway-murders
Mind Over Murder is proud to be a Spreaker Prime Podcaster:
https://www.spreaker.com
Join the discussion on our Mind Over Murder
Colonial Parkway Murders website: https://colonialparkwaymurders.com
Mind Over Murder Podcast website: https://mindovermurderpodcast.com
Please subscribe and rate us at your favorite podcast sites. Ratings and reviews are very important. Please share and tell your friends!
We launch a new episode of "Mind Over Murder" every Monday morning, and a bonus episode every Thursday morning.
Sponsors: Othram and DNAsolves.com
Contribute Your DNA to help solve cases: https://dnasolves.com/user/register
Follow "Mind Over Murder" on Twitter: https://twitter.com/MurderOver
Follow Bill Thomas on Twitter: https://twitter.com/BillThomas56
Follow "Colonial Parkway Murders" on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase/
Follow us on InstaGram:: https://www.instagram.com/colonialparkwaymurders/
Check out the entire Crawlspace Media network at http://crawlspace-media.com/
All rights reserved. Mind Over Murder, Copyright Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley,
Another Dog Productions/Absolute Zero Productions
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BONUS: Skyjacked w DB Cooper (Part 2) Sep 25, 2025

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"Mind Over Murder" hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley discuss the mysterious case of D B Cooper, who successfully hijacked a Northwest Airlines passenger jet and parachuted into the dense forest of the Pacific Northwest. He was never caught, although a small amount of the $200,000 ransom was later recovered. This bonus episode is Part 2 of 4 parts on the Dan "DB" Cooper case and originally ran in May/June 2025.
October 2023 Popular Mechanics article--Newcomb:
https://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/airlines/a43298881/db-cooper-case-could-be-
solved-dna/
October 2023 Popular Mechanics article—Natale:
https://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/a45639586/who-was-db-cooper/
January 2024 Popular Mechanics article:
https://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/a46332899/new-evidence-db-cooper-mystery/
February 2024 Popular Mechanics article:
https://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/a46788110/db-cooper-confession-new-
evidence-identity/
History.Com: https://www.history.com/articles/who-was-d-b-cooper
FBI.GOV: https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/db-cooper-hijacking
September 2011 NPR: All Things Considered interview:
https://www.npr.org/2011/09/25/140216653/skyjack-the-unsolved-case-of-d-b-coopers-
escape
DB Cooper: https://dbcooperhijack.com/2019/01/04/d-b-cooper-cary-grant-and-the-
1959-film-north-by-northwest/
WTKR News 3: One year after development in Colonial Parkway Murders, where do things stand?
https://www.wtkr.com/news/in-the-community/historic-triangle/one-year-after-development-in-colonial-parkway-murders-where-do-things-stand
Won't you help the Mind Over Murder podcast increase our visibility and shine the spotlight on the "Colonial Parkway Murders" and other unsolved cases? Contribute any amount you can here:
https://www.gofundme.com/f/mind-over-murder-podcast-expenses?utm_campaign=p_lico+share-sheet&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_source=customer
WTVR CBS News: Colonial Parkway murders victims' families keep hope cases will be solved:
https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/colonial-parkway-murders-update-april-19-2024
WAVY TV 10 News: New questions raised in Colonial Parkway murders:
https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/new-questions-raised-in-colonial-parkway-murders/
Alan Wade Wilmer, Sr. has been named as the killer of Robin Edwards and David Knobling in the Colonial Parkway Murders in September 1987, as well as the murderer of Teresa Howell in June 1989. He has also been linked to the April 1988 disappearance and likely murder of Keith Call and Cassandra Hailey, another pair in the Colonial Parkway Murders.
13News Now investigates: A serial killer's DNA will not be entered into CODIS database:
https://www.13newsnow.com/video/news/local/13news-now-investigates/291-e82a9e0b-38e3-4f95-982a-40e960a71e49
WAVY TV 10 on the Colonial Parkway Murders Announcement with photos:
https://www.wavy.com/news/crime/deceased-man-identified-as-suspect-in-decades-old-homicides/
WTKR News 3
https://www.wtkr.com/news/is-man-linked-to-one-of-the-colonial-parkway-murders-connected-to-the-other-cases
Virginian Pilot: Who was Alan Wade Wilmer Sr.? Man suspected in two ‘Colonial Parkway’ murders died alone in 2017
https://www.pilotonline.com/2024/01/14/who-was-alan-wade-wilmer-sr-man-suspected-in-colonial-parkway-murders-died-alone-in-2017/
Colonial Parkway Murders Facebook page with more than 18,000 followers: https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase
You can also participate in an in-depth discussion of the Colonial Parkway Murders here:
https://earonsgsk.proboards.com/board/50/colonial-parkway-murders
Mind Over Murder is proud to be a Spreaker Prime Podcaster:
https://www.spreaker.com
Join the discussion on our Mind Over Murder
Colonial Parkway Murders website: https://colonialparkwaymurders.com
Mind Over Murder Podcast website: https://mindovermurderpodcast.com
Please subscribe and rate us at your favorite podcast sites. Ratings and reviews are very important. Please share and tell your friends!
We launch a new episode of "Mind Over Murder" every Monday morning, and a bonus episode every Thursday morning.
Sponsors: Othram and DNAsolves.com
Contribute Your DNA to help solve cases: https://dnasolves.com/user/register
Follow "Mind Over Murder" on Twitter: https://twitter.com/MurderOver
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Follow "Colonial Parkway Murders" on Facebook:
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NEW: Bone Valley with Author Gilbert King Sep 22, 2025

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Join Pulitzer Prize willing author Gilbert King as he sits down with "Mind Over Murder" podcast hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley to discuss his new book and hit podcast "Bone Valley." The book and podcast tells a true story of injustice and redemption in the heart of Florida-- in 1988, Leo Schofield was arrested and charged with the murder of his wife, Michelle-- a murder he did not commit. Leo served more than 30 years, and was ultimately released on parole. He has yet to be exonerated despite another man confessing to killing Michelle Schofield. Publish date: Oct. 7, 2025.
Gilbert King website: https://www.gilbertking.com/
Amazon: Bone Valley: A True Story of Injustice and Redemption in the Heart of Florida
https://www.amazon.com/Bone-Valley-Injustice-Redemption-Florida/dp/1250368545/ref=monarch_sidesheet_image?author-follow=B0F7BX14VM
WTKR News 3: One year after development in Colonial Parkway Murders, where do things stand?
https://www.wtkr.com/news/in-the-community/historic-triangle/one-year-after-development-in-colonial-parkway-murders-where-do-things-stand
Won't you help the Mind Over Murder podcast increase our visibility and shine the spotlight on the "Colonial Parkway Murders" and other unsolved cases? Contribute any amount you can here:
https://www.gofundme.com/f/mind-over-murder-podcast-expenses?utm_campaign=p_lico+share-sheet&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_source=customer
WTVR CBS News: Colonial Parkway murders victims' families keep hope cases will be solved:
https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/colonial-parkway-murders-update-april-19-2024
WAVY TV 10 News: New questions raised in Colonial Parkway murders:
https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/new-questions-raised-in-colonial-parkway-murders/
Alan Wade Wilmer, Sr. has been named as the killer of Robin Edwards and David Knobling in the Colonial Parkway Murders in September 1987, as well as the murderer of Teresa Howell in June 1989. He has also been linked to the April 1988 disappearance and likely murder of Keith Call and Cassandra Hailey, another pair in the Colonial Parkway Murders.
13News Now investigates: A serial killer's DNA will not be entered into CODIS database:
https://www.13newsnow.com/video/news/local/13news-now-investigates/291-e82a9e0b-38e3-4f95-982a-40e960a71e49
WAVY TV 10 on the Colonial Parkway Murders Announcement with photos:
https://www.wavy.com/news/crime/deceased-man-identified-as-suspect-in-decades-old-homicides/
WTKR News 3
https://www.wtkr.com/news/is-man-linked-to-one-of-the-colonial-parkway-murders-connected-to-the-other-cases
Virginian Pilot: Who was Alan Wade Wilmer Sr.? Man suspected in two ‘Colonial Parkway’ murders died alone in 2017
https://www.pilotonline.com/2024/01/14/who-was-alan-wade-wilmer-sr-man-suspected-in-colonial-parkway-murders-died-alone-in-2017/
Colonial Parkway Murders Facebook page with more than 18,000 followers: https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase
You can also participate in an in-depth discussion of the Colonial Parkway Murders here:
https://earonsgsk.proboards.com/board/50/colonial-parkway-murders
Mind Over Murder is proud to be a Spreaker Prime Podcaster:
https://www.spreaker.com
Join the discussion on our Mind Over Murder
Colonial Parkway Murders website: https://colonialparkwaymurders.com
Mind Over Murder Podcast website: https://mindovermurderpodcast.com
Please subscribe and rate us at your favorite podcast sites. Ratings and reviews are very important. Please share and tell your friends!
We launch a new episode of "Mind Over Murder" every Monday morning, and a bonus episode every Thursday morning.
Sponsors: Othram and DNAsolves.com
Contribute Your DNA to help solve cases: https://dnasolves.com/user/register
Follow "Mind Over Murder" on Twitter: https://twitter.com/MurderOver
Follow Bill Thomas on Twitter: https://twitter.com/BillThomas56
Follow "Colonial Parkway Murders" on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase/
Follow us on InstaGram:: https://www.instagram.com/colonialparkwaymurders/
All rights reserved. Mind Over Murder, Copyright Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley,
Another Dog Productions/Absolute Zero Productions
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/mind-over-murder--4847179/support.

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