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    MP 089: How do I love my spouse during times of sickness and health? (with Kellee and Stuart Hall) Jul 11, 2020
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    When it comes to serving people in ministry, Stuart and Kellee are a power couple. They wouldn't want us to say that but it's true! Stuart serves as the Director of Student Leadership for Orange. He deeply desires to fuel the next generation and speaks to a ton of students, leaders, coaches and parents. Kellee Hall is the founder and director of The Echo Group. Kellee and Stuart are the parents of three adult children. They are some of the most genuine people and we're so happy for you to hear from them. Join us as we hear their story.

    RESOURCES: The Seven Checkpoints For Student Leaders Max Q Student Journal We'd love to connect with you on Instagram or Facebook! This episode was brought to you by the Married People Membership—an affordable, monthly subscription that provides married couples like you a ton of great resources every month to help you do marriage better. That means new date nights, videos, eBooks, messages, and more available to you when you need it - all in one place at one low price. Go to our website to find out more about the Married People Membership.

    MP 088: How does racism impact marriages and families of color? Jun 15, 2020
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    The real truth for black couples is that racism has an impact on everything, including marriage. Jackie and Stephana Bledsoe join us to share their stories of racism growing up and even now as they raise their own family. They also share the hope of what happens when we stand for and with people of color.


    MP 087: How do I protect my marriage from COVID-19? Apr 07, 2020
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    You may have googled your way to this podcast because you want to protect your marriage from "all this." Good job, we have good news.


    MP 086: Why should I move into a van with my spouse? (with Chris & Sara Pochiba) Aug 28, 2019
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    For this episode, we're exploring a slightly unusual question—why should you move into a van with your spouse? And that's our topic because Ted recently had a conversation with a couple who recently uprooted their lives and now live in a decked-out Sprinter van traveling all over the country. They've learned some important things about their marriage and we can all learn from their experience.

    Links
    • Let's Be Us website: https://letsbe.us
    • Let's Be Us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/letsbe_us/
    • Chris on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chrispochiba/
    • Sara on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sara_aho/
    • Chris' website: https://chrispochiba.com/
    • Sara's website: https://www.saraaho.com/
    • YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/letsbe_us
    • Holy Hustle: https://holyhustle.co/
    Interview Can you tell us how you met?

    Chris: We met five years ago when we were both bicycling across America. We were biking from Seattle to New York City to raise money for refugees in Thailand. We fell in love—you know, because of all the spandex. We were team leaders and with all the other people there we didn't want them to know there were feelings growing so we kept it a secret.

    Sara: I was still living in Athens, GA and Chris was in Raleigh, NC. After I graduated, I moved up to Raleigh and we dated another year and then got married.

    Why did you guys decide to elope instead of having a big wedding?

    We wanted to move out west to Seattle, where we officially met. Both Sara and I like big parties and don't like big parties at the same time. So eloping felt right to us. It felt intimate.

    We climbed a mountain in our wedding clothes with a photographer. There's a lake at the top of the mountain and we baptized each other there to start off the marriage. We missed having our families there but it was very us.

    Can you tell us about your current living arrangements?

    We live in a van, but not down by the river. We transitioned from living in a stationary apartment to an 80 square feet Mercedes Sprinter van. It looks like a FedEx truck on the outside. We do need to make it clear—it's by choice, not by lack of work or something like that.

    What made you guys decide to live in a van?

    We'd been saving money for a while; some of it had been for wedding money. We'd been in Seattle for a while but had landlord issues and we weren't buying there anytime soon. We'd been talking about doing this and we just bit the bullet and did it.

    What about your personalities played into your decision?

    Chris: We're both adventurous and like trying new things. We weren't ready to settle down and buy a house. From an Enneagram standpoint, Sara is a 7, the adventurous type. I'm a 9, which is the peacemaker. I think that compliments each other—she's always pushing and it gets me out of my comfort zone.

    Sara: And he keeps me level headed and makes sure we're grounded.

    How did you get rid of enough stuff to move into a van?

    Chris: We moved before that Netflix show, Marie Kondo, came out. Everything we had brought us joy, for me at least. We went through and made a designated area of essential items. The rest we decided to sell and make some money.

    Sara: We didn't know how long the van thing was going to last, so some of our bigger items we put in storage. We also kept all of our books. If there was any tension, it's because I'm a big collectible guy and we compromised on those things.

    How are you continuing to work from the road?

    Chris: A lot of savings ahead of time. But we also work full time from the road. I do a lot of branding and graphic design and have been able to work from anywhere. My work allows me to travel and the van just put that to the test.

    Sara: Before we lived in a van, I was growing a photography business. It's been hard in the van, but in some ways it's allowed us to grow our business jointly. I've been using those skills to grow our YouTube channel.

    Why did you decide to document your journey on YouTube?

    We had been on the road a few months and we were at a campground at Disney World. An older couple was there who had a YouTube channel about following their dog around on their travels. If they had one, we needed one, too. We recorded our first episode that day, and now we've surpassed 2.5 million views.

    What have been some of your favorite experiences?

    We actually have a YouTube video going up today about our favorite experiences so far. This summer we drove up to Alaska and at the end we drove up to the Arctic Ocean. It was like 500 miles each way on a gravel road and we saw grizzlies. It was a really fun adventure.

    In the town of Bellingham in Washington, the director of the downtown association reached out to us to offer a tour. We went out and had coffee with him and for the next three days he gave us a behind the scenes tour. Our impression of a town after we leave always comes down to how the people were. One place that stands out is that we really like the people in Maine—it was an awesome experience for us.

    What has been peoples' reaction when you tell them you live in a van?

    Sara: I think we were more nervous about Chris's family. My family took us van shopping when they found out. But everyone has been really supportive and not that surprised.

    How has this living situation impacted your marriage?

    The thing about living in a van is you have really high highs and really low lows. Alaska for us was just awful. It was fun but for us relationally it was not great. When we were driving back and decided to go to the Arctic Ocean, it was the complete opposite. We'd never been more supportive of each other.

    In Alaska, we had really high expectations because there's a lot of hype around Alaska. The weather was rough and the mosquitos were out of control. It was all these little things adding up. We did enjoy the state but the produce from the grocery store would be rotten by the time we tried to eat it. It was all these elements adding up and it was tense—a combination of circumstances and expectations.

    What principles have you learned no matter where you live?

    There are other ways you can do cool things without having to live in a van. You can take it one step at a time. You both have to be on the same page no matter what the adventure is. It's natural to have one person be more balanced, but if one of you is all in and the other is not, it's not going to be healthy for your marriage. You guys are a team and that's what it comes down to—playing as a team.

    Your one simple thing this week

    Chris: Put down the phone (or whatever you're working on) and make eye contact with your spouse while you're talking.

    Sara: Be intentional to seek new experiences together that only you can share.

    Show Closing

    This episode was brought to you by the Married People Membership—an affordable, monthly subscription that provides married couples like you a ton of great resources every month to help you do marriage better. That means new date nights, videos, eBooks, messages, and more available to you when you need it—all in one place at one low price. Go to our website to find out more about the Married People Membership.


    MP 085: How can we make our anniversary matter? Aug 21, 2019
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    This episode was brought to you by the Married People Membership—an affordable, monthly subscription that provides married couples like you a ton of great resources every month to help you do marriage better.

    One of the cool things about the membership is at-home date nights. Isn't that great? Go to our website to find out more about the Married People Membership.

    This week on the podcast, we're talking about wedding anniversaries. What do we do with them? How do we make the most of them? There's always some pressure when it comes to our anniversary regarding how much to spend, expectations, etc.

    What do you do for your anniversary?
    • Afton: Every anniversary we go on a trip and that is the gift. Then we write each other a card but sometimes I forget the card.
    • CJ: We do the same thing, but I try not to forget the card. We take a trip every October.
    • Ted: I try to do a fun little gift for every anniversary or a short trip. But let me tell you about our worst anniversary. I was working with a church doing marriage retreats and planned one for April 22nd, which is our anniversary. It didn't hit me until I was about to walk on stage and I told her, "I forgot our anniversary" and she replied, "I did, too.". So I got that one pass but it still makes me twitch.
    Tips For a Great Anniversary 1. Don't forget it

    Put it on your calendar and set a reminder for a few weeks before.

    2. Plan ahead

    Don't wait until the last minute to plan a trip or buy a gift.

    3. Agree on expectations

    For some couples an anniversary means a trip and for some it means pizza. They're both great as long as you agree on expectations ahead of time.

    4. Get lucky

    Intimacy means different things at different stages, but it's a time to connect romantically.

    5. Reminisce about your wedding

    Take some time to think back on your wedding day and other memories. Pull out your wedding album or re-watch your wedding video.

    6. Start a tradition

    Are there little fun things you're always going to do? Watch the same movie, go back to where you got married, put your best memory from the year in a box.

    Your one simple thing this week

    Choose one tradition or one surprise and get ahead of it for your anniversary.

    Want even more ideas? Read this blog article about making the most of your anniversary.

    Show Closing

    We'd love to know your traditions or your #anniversaryfails – let us know on Instagram or Facebook!

    This episode was brought to you by the Married People Membership—an affordable, monthly subscription that provides married couples like you a ton of great resources every month to help you do marriage better.

    That means new date nights, videos, eBooks, messages, and more available to you when you need it - all in one place at one low price. Go to our website to find out more about the Married People Membership.


    MP 084: How do I keep my marriage from getting stale? Aug 14, 2019
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    When marriage is stale, it's not fun for anyone. We all know what it's like when your marriage gets into a rut. So how do we keep our marriage from getting there?

    How do you know when your marriage is getting stale?

    Afton: My husband loves routine. When things are out of whack that's when he's most miserable and makes him anxious.

    CJ: I would agree—we have a routine in our marriage. But when we're stuck in that routine too long or start skipping things that are usually in our marriage routine we get in a rut.

    Ted: For us it's when we're too busy and haven't had any fun.

    When we got married we wanted to have a great, full marriage. Then life happens. There's work, home, kids, differences. Married people get serious and things get more complicated and often people don't think to work on their marriage unless it's broken.

    Replace the word marriage with something else

    First, the word 'marriage' often comes with baggage. What if we replaced the word 'marriage' with 'love'? And what does that have to do with keeping our marriage from getting stale?

    The reputation of marriage is that it is stale. But what would it look like if we went back to what we wanted before we got married?

    Your one simple thing this week:

    For the next seven days, do one small loving thing for them each day… or just pick one and do that. You may have your own ideas, if not, here are a few to get you started:

    • Monday: Leave a love note your spouse will find when you are not around
    • Tuesday: Ask your spouse, "What is one thing I can do to help you today?" Then do it
    • Wednesday: Pay your spouse a compliment
    • Thursday: Buy them a small gift
    • Friday: Say something great about your spouse in front of someone else
    • Saturday: Do one chore your spouse normally does
    • Sunday: Make a list of five things that make your spouse great

    Warning: Believe it or not, these things can start a fight—especially if you do it expecting them to reciprocate. Do it because you are committed and not because you expect anything back.

    Show Closing

    We'd love to know what you decided to do for your spouse – let us know on Instagram or Facebook!

    This episode was brought to you by the Married People Membership—an affordable, monthly subscription that provides married couples like you a ton of great resources every month to help you do marriage better. That means new date nights, videos, eBooks, messages, and more available to you when you need it - all in one place at one low price.


    MP 083: How should I respond to my spouse's silly mistakes? Aug 06, 2019
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    This episode was brought to you by the Married People Membership—an affordable, monthly subscription that provides married couples like you a ton of great resources every month to help you do marriage better.

    That means new discussion questions, date nights, studies, graphics, and more available to you when you need it - all in one place at one low price. Go to our website to find out more about the Married People Membership.

    For this episode, we're not talking about big, weighty issues. We're talking about little points of tension or mistakes and how that impacts your marriage. How we respond to those things is so important to set the tone of our relationships.

    Examples of Silly Mistakes

    • Breaking a dish or decorative nick knack
    • Spilling a drink in the car
    • Putting an empty milk jug back in the refrigerator
    • Getting a story or joke wrong
    • Coming home from work later than they told you
    • Forgetting to bring your son's baseball glove to practice
    • Misplacing their phone for the 100th time
    • Forgetting to stop by the grocery store on the way home
    • Buying the wrong type of deodorant

    CJ: For us, a silly mistake is how much space I leave between dishes in the dishwasher. Teri told me she has to redo it every time.

    Afton: Every time we go to an Airbnb, there's no dishwasher so we have to hand wash the dishes. And every time, Hudson breaks a glass.

    Ted: I'm the one who does all the things on this list.

    What is the right way to handle these mistakes?

    Here is why this is important:

    • The way we respond to our spouse's mistakes sets the tone for the deeper issues
    • It determines if our spouse is going to know grace on a daily basis.

    Questions to ask yourself

    • When it comes to how you respond to your spouses' silly mistakes, would you want to be married to you?
    • Is this is an issue of heart or habit?

    Colossians 3:13 (NLT) "Make allowance for each other's faults, and forgive anyone who offends you. Remember, the Lord forgave you, so you must forgive others."

    Your one simple thing this week:

    Either ask your spouse, "what is one thing I do that bothers you?" Or when your spouse does something that annoys you ask yourself, "Is this an issue of heart or habit?"

    Show Closing

    Thanks for joining us for the Married People Podcast. We hope you'll subscribe to the podcast on iTunes and leave a review – they help us make the podcast better.

    This episode was brought to you by the Married People Membership—an affordable, monthly subscription that provides married couples like you a ton of great resources every month to help you do marriage better.

    We'd love for you to go on Instagram or Facebook and let us know what you think!


    MP 082: How do our personalities impact our marriage? Jul 31, 2019
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    Chances are you have experienced this: you and your spouse have an exchange that leads to hurt feelings and conflict. At the end of that exchange, you find yourself thinking: 'my spouse took that completely out of context. I feel totally misunderstood. What just happened?'

    Opposites often attract, but sometimes when opposites get married they clash. There are a lot of dynamics that fuel disagreements, but personality differences are toward the top of the list. We thought it might be fun for our listeners to wrap their brains around the personality continuum and where you and your spouse are on the spectrum.

    1. Perceiving

    This is how you perceive the things that come toward you in life. Here are the two ends of the spectrum:

    Minimizer

    Few things are a big deal to them. When troubles come they think, "Oh well, it will just pass."

    • The disadvantage of being a Minimizer is that things have to be really big or bad for them to take action.
    • The advantage of being a Minimizer is that they are easy going, tending not to create unnecessary drama or chaos.
    Maximizer

    They tend to make everything a big deal. Using words like "everything," "never" and "always." Typically they want more of something—more love, more passion, more everything.

    • The disadvantage of being a Maximizer is that can create unnecessary tension.
    • The advantage is that nothing slips up on a maximizer. They want to take care of problems as they come.
    2. Processing

    This personality type is how your process information and come to conclusions. Here are the two ends of the spectrum:

    Insider

    They are very contemplative and thoughtful.

    • The disadvantage of being an Insider is they think they have shared more than they have. Saying things like, "I thought I told you that."
    • The advantage of Insiders is that actually think more than they speak, which I'm pretty sure is biblical.
    Outsider

    They think out loud. They talk to think.

    • The disadvantage of being an Outsider is that they say hurtful things they really don't mean.
    • The advantage of Outsiders is that they want to talk things out and get things out in the open.
    3. Responding

    This personality type is how you respond to information. Here are the two ends of the spectrum:

    Satisfier

    Wants to keep connected with their spouse by telling them what they think they want to hear.

    • The disadvantage of being a Satisifer is that they can be passive aggressive. The mouth may be saying yes, but their heart is saying no, and one day it shows up, often in unproductive ways.
    • The advantage of being a Satisifer is they are outwardly focused, because they have to really listen to their spouse's needs to know how to satisfy them.
    Resister

    When they hear new information, they say, "Whoa, what do you mean by that?" Another term for the Resister is a "devil's advocate."

    • The disadvantage of being is a Resister is they often make their spouse feel rejected.
    • The advantage of being a Resister is that tend to want to make more balanced decisions by looking at both sides of the issue. They aren't always saying no, it just takes them a while to get to the yes.
    Your one simple thing this week

    When you encounter the disadvantage of your spouse's personality traits, you can take it a little less personally. Also, the next time you encounter the advantages of your spouse's personality type, you can affirm them.

    As for your own personality traits, I suggest you try to pull yourself somewhere nearer the middle of the spectrum, especially if you spouse has the opposite of that trait.

    Show Closing

    Thanks for joining us for the Married People Podcast. We hope you'll subscribe to the podcast on iTunes and leave a review – they help us make the podcast better. We'd love for you to go on Instagram or Facebook and let us know what you think!

    This episode was brought to you by the Married People Membership—an affordable, monthly subscription that provides married couples like you a ton of great resources every month to help you do marriage better. That means new date nights, videos, eBooks, messages, and more available to you when you need it—all in one place at one low price.

    Go to our website to find out more about the Married People Membership.


    MP 081: How can I have a passion for my career and my spouse? (with Dana Spinola) Jul 24, 2019
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    We've got a special guest lined up for this episode—the CEO of Fabrik, Dana Spinola. She's helping us answer the question: 'How can I have a passion for my career and my spouse?'

    Fabrik is a clothing boutique based in Atlanta, with over 40 stores around the country. Dana started the company in 2002.

    She and her husband Angelo have four children, including their daughter, who they adopted from Ethiopia. She's also published a book called Love What You Do about finding passion and purpose in your work and life.

    Interview

    How did you and your husband meet?

    I was out celebrating the start Fabrik. My girlfriends had taken me out and I was just coming off a breakup. I look across the restaurant and saw this guy out with ten other guys—it was like lawyers night out.

    I went across the room to his group and said "Excuse me, I'm going to marry you." He says that there was something attractive about the confidence I had when I approached him with marriage. We dated for a few years before we got married. We decided to get married the first night, but our years of dating validated that.

    Where did your love of fashion begin?

    It's crazy to think that one of the best gifts my parents gave me was not having a lot of money. My mom made our clothing growing up. So our Saturdays were spent at the fabric store. She was also an interior designer, so she sometimes picked up sofas on the side of the road to take home and recover. My dad was the same, he was always painting and creating.

    Why did you found your company, Fabrik?

    The name is literally from the dictionary—it's just the phonetic spelling of fabric. I love the essence of it being fabric, because that's what clothing starts from. The other thing that was really important to me was everything being under $100. I had never been able to shop in a boutique growing up and the idea of walking in and being able to purchase anything was off my radar.

    So I thought, what if I could create a place that everyone could shop at? I wanted to have really incredible clothing, but keep it affordable. I think that's why it grew so much. I had no plans of opening more than one store, but my customers were asking for me to open one here and there. I think it was about the high-end experience with affordable prices.

    What do you think fashion means for women and men?

    When I watch a woman put on something that makes her feel beautiful, it changes her whole energy and spirit. They're not judging themselves against anything else, they're just seeing themselves the way God made them. You can watch that happen. There's something innate in your own style that you've got to find.

    Why is philanthropy such an important part of Fabrik?

    I started this business because I wanted to have a clothing store. I didn't jump into this for God's purpose. As I started growing and it started becoming successful, I was also having. People would come up all the time and say, "Congratulations". They would say that everything was coming together for me. And it hit me—I was growing this personal kingdom and didn't see how I was helping our world.

    We were in church one day and they said something about a mission trip to Haiti. I told my husband that we should go. We slowed down enough to take that trip and left our boys, my company, and my husband's practice at home. Our hearts would never be the same. We realized that not only would be we adopting but we had to do things that weren't just our own personal passions. We started our journey to figure out how we could help.

    We then took a mission trip to Africa and I took my company. I was journaling on a bus and I wrote down "high style with heart" and I didn't know what it meant but I knew it would mean something really big. We started our Asher clothing line (named after my daughter) and the proceeds go to orphans in Africa. We're contributing to them being matched with families.

    One of the coolest things has been during job interviews, the biggest question used to be "what's the clothing discount?" But now it's, "do I get to volunteer and go on the Africa trips?" To me, it means our heartbeat came alive.

    What was the process for adopting your daughter?

    Adoption is a crazy process; we started in so many different countries to end up in Ethiopia. My little girl was between 6-8 months and was found wrapped in blankets and left on the side of the road. The police officer who found her said she was screaming and they didn't know how long she'd been screaming for. That used to make me cry, but now I see someone who didn't give up.

    How have you made a great marriage in the middle of career success?

    The coolest thing that I look back on is that Angelo has been a stable force in what he believes God has done with Fabrik. He's watched what God has done through Fabrik and has always had his arms around it in a big way. His hands have been open the whole time.

    The other we've done well is bobbed and weaved with each other. When he was working to become a partner at his law firm, and was working until 2 am every night, I was starting the company and we had a newborn. But we've been OK because we've both had times we've had to tap out. It reminds me of those relay races. Now, he has our son's football practice on his calendar at 4pm as a meeting. We've had to schedule things and that's OK.

    How do you schedule time during the week?

    I don't know about you, but organic does not work for us. We've scheduled a day date on the calendar every month for the next year and a half. We do have a date during the day because the night gets taken up by life. It is so small, but it's a game changer.

    What was the catalyst in deciding to go to counseling?

    The reason we go to counseling is because he's a man and I'm a woman. I love the idea of someone teaching us how to communicate better! We're from two different worlds and two different lives and we want to be closer. And sometimes we can't figure that out on our own.

    Your one simple thing this week:

    Know the little things that make your spouse happy and do one of them!

    Show Closing

    Thanks for joining us for the Married People Podcast. This episode was brought to you by the Married People Membership—an affordable, monthly subscription that provides married couples like you a ton of great resources every month to help you do marriage better.

    That means new date nights, videos, eBooks, messages, and more available to you when you need it—all in one place at one low price. Go to our website to find out more about the Married People Membership.

    For more from Dana, check out her website, Instagram or Love What You Do book. You can find out more about Fabrik on their site.


    MP 080: #MPminute: Love your Spouse Jul 17, 2019
    Show notes

    Last year in the US, we spent $72 billion on wedding ceremonies. While wedding days are special days, marriage is not really about the big day, it's about the every day.

    But think about it: we promise our spouse some pretty amazing things in our wedding vows: for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, for better for worse, till death do us part. We convince another person that they could trust us with their heart for life.

    But if our spouse is really going to know kindness on a daily basis, we have to choose to be kind. If our spouse is going to know grace on a daily basis, we have to choose to give them grace. If they're going to know thoughtfulness, laughter, intimacy, and protection, we have to choose to give them these things.

    We have to practice what we promise.

    The great news is that this plays itself out in really practical ways.

    • If your spouse loves gifts, buy them one.
    • If your spouse tends to like sex more often than you, have more sex.
    • If your spouse loves words of encouragement, write them a note.
    • If your spouse loves affection, be affectionate with them.
    • If your spouse wants you to spend time with them, carve out the time.

    Whatever it is that speaks love to your spouse, speak it. When we love our spouse, even when they're irrational, even when their baggage creates an unfair tension, even when they're simply not that lovable, it is so powerful for a marriage. It is so powerful to help us to become our best us.


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