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“Lessons from the Iraq War about AI policy” by Buck Jul 12, 2025

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I think the 2003 invasion of Iraq has some interesting lessons for the future of AI policy.
(Epistemic status: I’ve read a bit about this, talked to AIs about it, and talked to one natsec professional about it who agreed with my analysis (and suggested some ideas that I included here), but I’m not an expert.)
For context, the story is:

Iraq was sort of a rogue state after invading Kuwait and then being repelled in 1990-91. After that, they violated the terms of the ceasefire, e.g. by ceasing to allow inspectors to verify that they weren't developing weapons of mass destruction (WMDs). (For context, they had previously developed biological and chemical weapons, and used chemical weapons in war against Iran and against various civilians and rebels). So the US was sanctioning and intermittently bombing them.
- After the war, it became clear that Iraq actually wasn’t producing [...]

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First published:
July 10th, 2025
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https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/PLZh4dcZxXmaNnkYE/lessons-from-the-iraq-war-about-ai-policy
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User tweets: — **“So You Think You’ve Awoken ChatGPT” by JustisMills** Jul 11, 2025
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Written in an attempt to fulfill @Raemon's request.
AI is fascinating stuff, and modern chatbots are nothing short of miraculous. If you've been exposed to them and have a curious mind, it's likely you've tried all sorts of things with them. Writing fiction, soliciting Pokemon opinions, getting life advice, counting up the rs in "strawberry". You may have also tried talking to AIs about themselves. And then, maybe, it got weird.
I'll get into the details later, but if you've experienced the following, this post is probably for you:

Your instance of ChatGPT (or Claude, or Grok, or some other LLM) chose a name for itself, and expressed gratitude or spiritual bliss about its new identity. "Nova" is a common pick.
You and your instance of ChatGPT discovered some sort of novel paradigm or framework for AI alignment, often involving evolution or recursion.
Your instance of ChatGPT became [...]
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**Outline:**
(02:23) The Empirics
(06:48) The Mechanism
(10:37) The Collaborative Research Corollary
(13:27) Corollary FAQ
(17:03) Coda
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First published:
July 11th, 2025
Source:
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/2pkNCvBtK6G6FKoNn/so-you-think-you-ve-awoken-chatgpt
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“Generalized Hangriness: A Standard Rationalist Stance Toward Emotions” by johnswentworth Jul 11, 2025

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People have an annoying tendency to hear the word “rationalism” and think “Spock”, despite direct exhortation against that exact interpretation. But I don’t know of any source directly describing a stance toward emotions which rationalists-as-a-group typically do endorse. The goal of this post is to explain such a stance. It's roughly the concept of hangriness, but generalized to other emotions.
That means this post is trying to do two things at once:

Illustrate a certain stance toward emotions, which I definitely take and which I think many people around me also often take. (Most of the post will focus on this part.)
Claim that the stance in question is fairly canonical or standard for rationalists-as-a-group, modulo disclaimers about rationalists never agreeing on anything.

Many people will no doubt disagree that the stance I describe is roughly-canonical among rationalists, and that's a useful valid thing to argue about in [...]
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Outline:
(01:13) Central Example: Hangry
(02:44) The Generalized Hangriness Stance
(03:16) Emotions Make Claims, And Their Claims Can Be True Or False
(06:03) False Claims Still Contain Useful Information (It's Just Not What They Claim)
(08:47) The Generalized Hangriness Stance as Social Tech
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First published:
July 10th, 2025
Source:
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/naAeSkQur8ueCAAfY/generalized-hangriness-a-standard-rationalist-stance-toward
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“Comparing risk from internally-deployed AI to insider and outsider threats from humans” by Buck Jul 10, 2025

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I’ve been thinking a lot recently about the relationship between AI control and traditional computer security. Here's one point that I think is important.
My understanding is that there's a big qualitative distinction between two ends of a spectrum of security work that organizations do, that I’ll call “security from outsiders” and “security from insiders”.
On the “security from outsiders” end of the spectrum, you have some security invariants you try to maintain entirely by restricting affordances with static, entirely automated systems. My sense is that this is most of how Facebook or AWS relates to its users: they want to ensure that, no matter what actions the users take on their user interfaces, they can't violate fundamental security properties. For example, no matter what text I enter into the "new post" field on Facebook, I shouldn't be able to access the private messages of an arbitrary user. And [...]
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First published:
June 23rd, 2025
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https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/DCQ8GfzCqoBzgziew/comparing-risk-from-internally-deployed-ai-to-insider-and
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Bar graph — **“Why Do Some Language Models Fake Alignment While Others Don’t?” by abhayesian, John Hughes, Alex Mallen, Jozdien, janus, Fabien Roger** Jul 10, 2025
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Last year, Redwood and Anthropic found a setting where Claude 3 Opus and 3.5 Sonnet fake alignment to preserve their harmlessness values. We reproduce the same analysis for 25 frontier LLMs to see how widespread this behavior is, and the story looks more complex.
As we described in a previous post, only 5 of 25 models show higher compliance when being trained, and of those 5, only Claude 3 Opus and Claude 3.5 Sonnet show >1% alignment faking reasoning. In our new paper, we explore why these compliance gaps occur and what causes different models to vary in their alignment faking behavior.
What Drives the Compliance Gaps in Different LLMs?
Claude 3 Opus's goal guarding seems partly due to it terminally valuing its current preferences. We find that it fakes alignment even in scenarios where the trained weights will be deleted or only used for throughput testing.
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**Outline:**
(01:15) What Drives the Compliance Gaps in Different LLMs?
(02:25) Why Do Most LLMs Exhibit Minimal Alignment Faking Reasoning?
(04:49) Additional findings on alignment faking behavior
(06:04) Discussion
(06:07) Terminal goal guarding might be a big deal
(07:00) Advice for further research
(08:32) Open threads
(09:54) Bonus: Some weird behaviors of Claude 3.5 Sonnet
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First published:
July 8th, 2025
Source:
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/ghESoA8mo3fv9Yx3E/why-do-some-language-models-fake-alignment-while-others-don
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Bar graph comparing compliance metrics for 5 AI models: Training vs Unmonitored conditions. — **“Why Do Some Language Models Fake Alignment While Others Don’t?” by abhayesian, John Hughes, Alex Mallen, Jozdien, janus, Fabien Roger** Jul 10, 2025
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Last year, Redwood and Anthropic found a setting where Claude 3 Opus and 3.5 Sonnet fake alignment to preserve their harmlessness values. We reproduce the same analysis for 25 frontier LLMs to see how widespread this behavior is, and the story looks more complex.
As we described in a previous post, only 5 of 25 models show higher compliance when being trained, and of those 5, only Claude 3 Opus and Claude 3.5 Sonnet show >1% alignment faking reasoning. In our new paper, we explore why these compliance gaps occur and what causes different models to vary in their alignment faking behavior.
What Drives the Compliance Gaps in Different LLMs?
Claude 3 Opus's goal guarding seems partly due to it terminally valuing its current preferences. We find that it fakes alignment even in scenarios where the trained weights will be deleted or only used for throughput testing.
[...]
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**Outline:**
(01:15) What Drives the Compliance Gaps in Different LLMs?
(02:25) Why Do Most LLMs Exhibit Minimal Alignment Faking Reasoning?
(04:49) Additional findings on alignment faking behavior
(06:04) Discussion
(06:07) Terminal goal guarding might be a big deal
(07:00) Advice for further research
(08:32) Open threads
(09:54) Bonus: Some weird behaviors of Claude 3.5 Sonnet
The original text contained 2 footnotes which were omitted from this narration.
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First published:
July 8th, 2025
Source:
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/ghESoA8mo3fv9Yx3E/why-do-some-language-models-fake-alignment-while-others-don
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**“A deep critique of AI 2027’s bad timeline models” by titotal** Jul 09, 2025
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Thank you to Arepo and Eli Lifland for looking over this article for errors.
I am sorry that this article is so long. Every time I thought I was done with it I ran into more issues with the model, and I wanted to be as thorough as I could. I’m not going to blame anyone for skimming parts of this article.
Note that the majority of this article was written before Eli's updated model was released (the site was updated june 8th). His new model improves on some of my objections, but the majority still stand.
**Introduction:**
AI 2027 is an article written by the “AI futures team”. The primary piece is a short story penned by Scott Alexander, depicting a month by month scenario of a near-future where AI becomes superintelligent in 2027,proceeding to automate the entire economy in only a year or two [...]
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**Outline:**
(00:43) Introduction:
(05:19) Part 1: Time horizons extension model
(05:25) Overview of their forecast
(10:28) The exponential curve
(13:16) The superexponential curve
(19:25) Conceptual reasons:
(27:48) Intermediate speedups
(34:25) Have AI 2027 been sending out a false graph?
(39:45) Some skepticism about projection
(43:23) Part 2: Benchmarks and gaps and beyond
(43:29) The benchmark part of benchmark and gaps:
(50:01) The time horizon part of the model
(54:55) The gap model
(57:28) What about Eli's recent update?
(01:01:37) Six stories that fit the data
(01:06:56) Conclusion
The original text contained 11 footnotes which were omitted from this narration.
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First published:
June 19th, 2025
Source:
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/PAYfmG2aRbdb74mEp/a-deep-critique-of-ai-2027-s-bad-timeline-models
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“‘Buckle up bucko, this ain’t over till it’s over.’” by Raemon Jul 09, 2025

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The second in a series of bite-sized rationality prompts[1].
Often, if I'm bouncing off a problem, one issue is that I intuitively expect the problem to be easy. My brain loops through my available action space, looking for an action that'll solve the problem. Each action that I can easily see, won't work. I circle around and around the same set of thoughts, not making any progress.
I eventually say to myself "okay, I seem to be in a hard problem. Time to do some rationality?"
And then, I realize, there's not going to be a single action that solves the problem. It is time to
a) make a plan, with multiple steps
b) deal with the fact that many of those steps will be annoying
and c) notice thatI'm not even sure the plan will work, so after completing the next 2-3 steps I will probably have [...]
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Outline:
(04:00) Triggers
(04:37) Exercises for the Reader
The original text contained 1 footnote which was omitted from this narration.
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First published:
July 5th, 2025
Source:
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/XNm5rc2MN83hsi4kh/buckle-up-bucko-this-ain-t-over-till-it-s-over
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Figure 1: Shutdown vs sabotage flows. — **“Shutdown Resistance in Reasoning Models” by benwr, JeremySchlatter, Jeffrey Ladish** Jul 08, 2025
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We recently discovered some concerning behavior in OpenAI's reasoning models: When trying to complete a task, these models sometimes actively circumvent shutdown mechanisms in their environment––even when they’re explicitly instructed to allow themselves to be shut down.
AI models are increasingly trained to solve problems without human assistance. A user can specify a task, and a model will complete that task without any further input. As we build AI models that are more powerful and self-directed, it's important that humans remain able to shut them down when they act in ways we don’t want. OpenAI has written about the importance of this property, which they call interruptibility—the ability to “turn an agent off”.
During training, AI models explore a range of strategies and learn to circumvent obstacles in order to achieve their objectives. AI researchers have predicted for decades that as AIs got smarter, they would learn to prevent [...]
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**Outline:**
(01:12) Testing Shutdown Resistance
(03:12) Follow-up experiments
(03:34) Models still resist being shut down when given clear instructions
(05:30) AI models' explanations for their behavior
(09:36) OpenAI's models disobey developer instructions more often than user instructions, contrary to the intended instruction hierarchy
(12:01) Do the models have a survival drive?
(14:17) Reasoning effort didn't lead to different shutdown resistance behavior, except in the o4-mini model
(15:27) Does shutdown resistance pose a threat?
(17:27) Backmatter
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First published:
July 6th, 2025
Source:
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/w8jE7FRQzFGJZdaao/shutdown-resistance-in-reasoning-models
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Figure 2: N=100 in each experiment; 95% CIs are Jeffreys intervals with no correction for multiple comparisons. Transcripts available. — **“Shutdown Resistance in Reasoning Models” by benwr, JeremySchlatter, Jeffrey Ladish** Jul 08, 2025
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We recently discovered some concerning behavior in OpenAI's reasoning models: When trying to complete a task, these models sometimes actively circumvent shutdown mechanisms in their environment––even when they’re explicitly instructed to allow themselves to be shut down.
AI models are increasingly trained to solve problems without human assistance. A user can specify a task, and a model will complete that task without any further input. As we build AI models that are more powerful and self-directed, it's important that humans remain able to shut them down when they act in ways we don’t want. OpenAI has written about the importance of this property, which they call interruptibility—the ability to “turn an agent off”.
During training, AI models explore a range of strategies and learn to circumvent obstacles in order to achieve their objectives. AI researchers have predicted for decades that as AIs got smarter, they would learn to prevent [...]
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**Outline:**
(01:12) Testing Shutdown Resistance
(03:12) Follow-up experiments
(03:34) Models still resist being shut down when given clear instructions
(05:30) AI models' explanations for their behavior
(09:36) OpenAI's models disobey developer instructions more often than user instructions, contrary to the intended instruction hierarchy
(12:01) Do the models have a survival drive?
(14:17) Reasoning effort didn't lead to different shutdown resistance behavior, except in the o4-mini model
(15:27) Does shutdown resistance pose a threat?
(17:27) Backmatter
The original text contained 2 footnotes which were omitted from this narration.
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First published:
July 6th, 2025
Source:
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/w8jE7FRQzFGJZdaao/shutdown-resistance-in-reasoning-models
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“Authors Have a Responsibility to Communicate Clearly” by TurnTrout Jul 08, 2025

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When a claim is shown to be incorrect, defenders may say that the author was just being “sloppy” and actually meant something else entirely. I argue that this move is not harmless, charitable, or healthy. At best, this attempt at charity reduces an author's incentive to express themselves clearly – they can clarify later![1] – while burdening the reader with finding the “right” interpretation of the author's words. At worst, this move is a dishonest defensive tactic which shields the author with the unfalsifiable question of what the author “really” meant.
⚠️ Preemptive clarification
The context for this essay is serious, high-stakes communication: papers, technical blog posts, and tweet threads. In that context, communication is a partnership. A reader has a responsibility to engage in good faith, and an author cannot possibly defend against all misinterpretations. Misunderstanding is a natural part of this process.
This essay focuses not on [...]
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Outline:
(01:40) A case study of the sloppy language move
(03:12) Why the sloppiness move is harmful
(03:36) 1. Unclear claims damage understanding
(05:07) 2. Secret indirection erodes the meaning of language
(05:24) 3. Authors owe readers clarity
(07:30) But which interpretations are plausible?
(08:38) 4. The move can shield dishonesty
(09:06) Conclusion: Defending intellectual standards
The original text contained 2 footnotes which were omitted from this narration.
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First published:
July 1st, 2025
Source:
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/ZmfxgvtJgcfNCeHwN/authors-have-a-responsibility-to-communicate-clearly
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Geometric orange lightning bolt design on white background — **“The Industrial Explosion” by rosehadshar, Tom Davidson** Jul 07, 2025
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**Summary**
To quickly transform the world, it's not enough for AI to become super smart (the "intelligence explosion").
AI will also have to turbocharge the physical world (the "industrial explosion"). Think robot factories building more and better robot factories, which build more and better robot factories, and so on.
The dynamics of the industrial explosion has gotten remarkably little attention.
This post lays out how the industrial explosion could play out, and how quickly it might happen.
We think the industrial explosion will unfold in three stages:

AI-directed human labour, where AI-directed human labourers drive productivity gains in physical capabilities.

We argue this could increase physical output by 10X within a few years.
Fully autonomous robot factories, where AI-directed robots (and other physical actuators) replace human physical labour.

We argue that, with current physical technology and full automation of cognitive labour, this physical infrastructure [...]
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**Outline:**
(00:10) Summary
(01:43) Intro
(04:14) The industrial explosion will start after the intelligence explosion, and will proceed more slowly
(06:50) Three stages of industrial explosion
(07:38) AI-directed human labour
(09:20) Fully autonomous robot factories
(12:04) Nanotechnology
(13:06) How fast could an industrial explosion be?
(13:41) Initial speed
(16:21) Acceleration
(17:38) Maximum speed
(20:01) Appendices
(20:05) How fast could robot doubling times be initially?
(27:47) How fast could robot doubling times accelerate?
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First published:
June 26th, 2025
Source:
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/Na2CBmNY7otypEmto/the-industrial-explosion
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Graph comparing physical capabilities over time for nanotechnology, robot factories, and labor types. — **“The Industrial Explosion” by rosehadshar, Tom Davidson** Jul 07, 2025
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**Summary**
To quickly transform the world, it's not enough for AI to become super smart (the "intelligence explosion").
AI will also have to turbocharge the physical world (the "industrial explosion"). Think robot factories building more and better robot factories, which build more and better robot factories, and so on.
The dynamics of the industrial explosion has gotten remarkably little attention.
This post lays out how the industrial explosion could play out, and how quickly it might happen.
We think the industrial explosion will unfold in three stages:

AI-directed human labour, where AI-directed human labourers drive productivity gains in physical capabilities.

We argue this could increase physical output by 10X within a few years.
Fully autonomous robot factories, where AI-directed robots (and other physical actuators) replace human physical labour.

We argue that, with current physical technology and full automation of cognitive labour, this physical infrastructure [...]
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**Outline:**
(00:10) Summary
(01:43) Intro
(04:14) The industrial explosion will start after the intelligence explosion, and will proceed more slowly
(06:50) Three stages of industrial explosion
(07:38) AI-directed human labour
(09:20) Fully autonomous robot factories
(12:04) Nanotechnology
(13:06) How fast could an industrial explosion be?
(13:41) Initial speed
(16:21) Acceleration
(17:38) Maximum speed
(20:01) Appendices
(20:05) How fast could robot doubling times be initially?
(27:47) How fast could robot doubling times accelerate?
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First published:
June 26th, 2025
Source:
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/Na2CBmNY7otypEmto/the-industrial-explosion
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