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Law and Chaos

Ignorance of the law is no excuse! That’s true for a traffic stop, and it’s true if you want to participate in whatever’s left of American democracy. If the events since the 2016 election taught us anything, it’s that tuning out is not an option. Legal journalists Liz Dye and Andrew Torrez break down the week’s most important courtroom stories, so you can keep on top of this crazy news cycle. Whether it’s Texas giving two middle fingers to the Supreme Court, or Donald Trump in all the courts at once, we’ve got you covered.

Copyright: © 2026

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Ep 96 — Trump Demands Dismissal Of NY Case For President-Elect Immunity Jan 07, 2025

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Trump is losing his mind at the prospect of being sentenced Friday for his 34 felony business accounts. Now he's demanding that the case be stayed based on president-elect immunity, something his lawyers Todd Blanche and Emil Bove made up yesterday. And, as always, Rudy Giuliani is wilding out in court.

Links:

Please Keep Shit Talking Judges

https://www.lawandchaospod.com/p/please-keep-shit-talking-judges

2024 Year End Report on the Federal Judiciary

https://www.supremecourt.gov/publicinfo/year-end/2024year-endreport.pdf

US v. Boeing docket

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/29089563/united-states-v-the-boeing-company/

Rudy demands courtroom sketch artist draw him "nice"

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/judge-weigh-holding-giuliani-contempt-georgia-election-workers-case-2025-01-03/

Alex Jones - Trustee Motion for Approve PQPR settlement

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.txsb.459750/gov.uscourts.txsb.459750.1005.0.pdf

Roberts EOY 2024 Report

https://www.supremecourt.gov/publicinfo/year-end/2024year-endreport.pdf

Trump NY Docs via Law360

https://www.law360.com/newyork-vs-trump-tracker

New York Article 78

https://law.justia.com/codes/new-york/cvp/article-78/7803/

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Ep 95 — The Blake Lively/Justin Baldoni Defamation/Harassment Suits Jan 03, 2025

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Blake Lively is suing Justin Baldoni. Justin Baldoni is suing the New York Times. The New York Times is suing … nobody. Yet. We'll untangle this f-tussle, and for subscribers, we'll break down Rudy Giuliani's wild ride to contempt of court.

Links:

Paxton NCAA Trollsuit

https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/sites/default/files/images/press/NCAA%20DTPA%20Petition%20Filed.pdf

Sixth Circuit Strikes Down Net Neutrality

https://www.opn.ca6.uscourts.gov/opinions.pdf/25a0002p-06.pdf

Second Circuit Affirms E. Jean Carroll Verdict

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ca2.60504/gov.uscourts.ca2.60504.176.1.pdf

Please Keep Shit-Talking Judges

https://www.lawandchaospod.com/p/please-keep-shit-talking-judges

Trump TikTok brief

https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/24/24-656/336151/20241227163400981_2024-12-27%20-%20TikTok%20v.%20Garland%20-%20Amicus%20Brief%20of%20President%20Donald%20J.%20Trump.pdf

In re MCP No. 185 (Net Neutrality)

https://www.opn.ca6.uscourts.gov/opinions.pdf/25a0002p-06.pdf

Lively NY Complaint

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.634304/gov.uscourts.nysd.634304.1.0.pdf

Lively CA Complaint

https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/1629cc34e562e325/4410b1d9-full.pdf

Baldoni CA complaint

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/25473221-justin-baldoni/#document/p1

NYT Article

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/21/business/media/blake-lively-justin-baldoni-it-ends-with-us.html

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Ep 94 — What To Expect When You're Expecting An Orange Toddler President … AGAIN (ft. Evan Hurst) Dec 31, 2024

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We lived through it once, and we'll do it again. Liz and Andrew talk with Wonkette Senior Editor Evan Hurst about the changing media landscape as we prepare for inauguration.

Links:

The Moral High Ground

https://evanhurst.substack.com/

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Ep 93 — Rudy Giuliani Is Wilding Out, And Polio Is Ready For A Comeback (ft. Andrew Fleischman) Dec 24, 2024

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Rudy Giuliani's wilding out, RFK Jr wants to bring back polio, and the Georgia Court of appeals just set fire to the last remnants of the Trump election interference case.

Links:

Freeman v. Giuliani [Docket via Court Listener]

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69015293/freeman-v-giuliani/?order_by=desc

GA Court of Appeals Willis Order

https://efast.gaappeals.us/download?filingId=cdec1774-027f-4de6-aaf5-fb6c9bb99270

Siri FDA Petition to revoke polio vaccine approval

https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/e68bd8b142eb7bf0/914e0b90-full.pdf

FDA Response

https://www.regulations.gov/document/FDA-2022-P-1998-0008

21 CFR Subpart B

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/21/part-10/subpart-B

About Aaron Siri

https://www.sirillp.com/aaron-siri/

Carrier & Wander, Citizen Petitions: An Empirical Study, Cardozo Law Review (2012)

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/Delivery.cfm?abstractid=2074656

IPOL package insert

https://www.fda.gov/media/75695/download

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Ep 92 — Republicans Finally Found Someone To Blame For J6, And It Is Liz Cheney Dec 20, 2024

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Republicans in Congress are suggesting that the FBI should LOCK HER UP Liz Cheney, and Donald Trump thinks that's a great idea. But can he do that? We'll discuss. Plus, a Georgia appeals court has disqualified Fulton County DA Fani Willis and her entire office from prosecuting Donald Trump, likely dooming the entire case. And for subscribers, we've got a fun tour of defamation trollsuits from one of our favorite Kraken lawyers.

Links:

GA Court of Appeals Willis Order

https://efast.gaappeals.us/download?filingId=cdec1774-027f-4de6-aaf5-fb6c9bb99270

Loudermilk Report

https://cha.house.gov/_cache/files/6/d/6dae7b82-7683-4f56-a177-ba98695e600d/145DD5A70E967DEEC1F511764D3E6FA1.final-interim-report.pdf

Loudermilk Committee Report (October 15, 2024)

https://cha.house.gov/2024/10/new-texts-reveal-liz-cheney-communicated-with-cassidy-hutchinson-about-her-select-committee-testimony-without-hutchinson-s-attorney-s-knowledge-despite-cheney-knowing-it-was-unethical

GA Ct Appeals Decision Re Willis

https://efast.gaappeals.us/download?filingId=cdec1774-027f-4de6-aaf5-fb6c9bb99270

Robinson v. CNN Federal Docket via Court Listener

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nced.214292

Mike Flynn Florida Appeal Dismissed

https://2dca.flcourts.gov/content/download/2444599/opinion/Opinion_2024-0278.pdf

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Ep 91 — But Can He Do That: Birthright Citizenship Edition Dec 17, 2024

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Donald Trump has promised to cancel birthright citizenship on Day one. But can he do that? In a word, no. We have a deep dive on the very clear law of birthright citizenship in this country (and all the ways Trump will try and ignore it). We also break down yesterday's decision and order from New York Supreme Court Justice Juan Merchan that presidential immunity does not retroactively invalidate Trump's 34 felony convictions in New York. Links: ABC Bends The Knee https://www.lawandchaospod.com/p/abc-bends-the-knee Trump ruling denying immunity NY https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/25459328/merchan-immunity-ruling.pdf Trump announcement re birthright citizenship https://www.donaldjtrump.com/agenda47/agenda47-day-one-executive-order-ending-citizenship-for-children-of-illegals-and-outlawing-birth-tourism U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark (1898) https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=3381955771263111765 Show Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPod

Ep 90 — Dems And Republicans Join Hands To Take Away The Kids' TikTok Dec 13, 2024

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We talk with TechDirt's Cathy Gellis, who is going to walk us through the DC Circuit's opinion banning TikTok. And in the subscriber bonus, we'll bring you up to speed on Rudy Giuliani's continuing efforts to dodge justice in multiple courts.

Links:

TikTok v. Garland (DC Cir.)

https://media.cadc.uscourts.gov/opinions/docs/2024/12/24-1113-2088317.pdf

Petition for injunction staying order

https://sf16-va.tiktokcdn.com/obj/eden-va2/hkluhazhjeh7jr/2024.12.09%20-%20TTI%20v.%20Garland%20-%20Petitioners'%20Emergency%20Motion%20for%20Injunction(1).pdf

Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act (PAFACA)

15 U.S. Code § 9901

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/15/9901

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Ep 89 — The Infowars Deal Falls Apart Dec 11, 2024

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Last night US Bankruptcy Judge Christopher Lopez voided the sale of Infowars to The Onion as part of the Alex Jones Bankruptcy. It sucks a lot. And speaking of sucking, let's talk about the Impoundment Control Act and How Trump plans to violate it.

Links:

ALEX JONES BANKRUPTCY DOCKET

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/66583024/alexander-e-jones/

Revised Infowars proposed sale order (REDLINE)

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.txsb.459750/gov.uscourts.txsb.459750.975.1.pdf

Trump on impoundment

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/agenda47/agenda47-using-impoundment-to-cut-waste-stop-inflation-and-crush-the-deep-state

Train v. City of New York

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/420/35/#42

House Dems Impoundment Explainer

https://democrats-budget.house.gov/resources/fact-sheetss/impoundment-explainer

GAO Report on Ukraine Impoundment Violation

https://www.gao.gov/products/b-331564

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Ep 88 — Meet Brendan Carr, The Guy Who's Going To Make Internet Service Even Sh*ttier (Ft. Karl Bode) Dec 06, 2024

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Trump has nominated Brendan Carr to chair the FCC, calling him a "warrior for Free Speech" who "will end the regulatory onslaught that has been crippling America's Job Creators and Innovators, and ensure that the FCC delivers for rural America." But as tech journalist Karl Bode explains, Carr has threatened to go after media outlets that criticize Trump, and his plans for rural broadband are even worse. And Liz and Andrew break down the issue "scrutiny" in Skrmetti, the SCOTUS case on healthcare for trans kids. Plus, we check in with Rudy Giuliani's shenanigans in the subscriber bonus.

Links:

Skrmetti: It Was THAT Bad

https://www.lawandchaospod.com/p/skrmetti-it-was-that-bad

Institute for Local Self Reliance

https://ilsr.org/

Karl Bode at Techdirt

https://www.techdirt.com/user/kbode/

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Ep 87 — Skrmetti Preview: How Low Can SCOTUS Go? Dec 03, 2024

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It's a roundup of Hunter Biden, Rudy Giuliani, and Infowars news, before a preview of US v. Skrmetti, the challenge to Tennessee's ban on gender confirming care for minors, which will be argued at the Supreme Court on Wednesday. And for subscribers, we'll catch up with Dinesh D'Souza, who's getting sued by a man he falsely accused of being a "ballot mule."

Links:

Elon Musk's X is stepping into the legal fight over Alex Jones' Infowars. Experts say it's unprecedented

https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/29/media/alex-jones-elon-musk-x-infowars-accounts/index.html

Freeman v. Giuliani Docket

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69116157/freeman-v-giuliani/

Hunter Biden Delaware Docket

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67511701/united-states-v-biden/

Hunter Biden California Docket

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/68072483/united-states-v-biden/

Inside the Collapse of Hunter Biden's Plea Deal

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/19/us/politics/inside-hunter-biden-plea-deal.html

Tennessee SB 1 - Tennessee Code, Title 68, Chapter 33

https://casetext.com/statute/tennessee-code/title-68-health-safety-and-environmental-protection/health/chapter-33-health-and-welfare-of-minors

Skrmetti reply brief (gender affirming care)

https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/23/23-477/331420/20241107183937931_23-477rbUnitedStates.pdf

Danyon Anderson et al., Gender Dysphoria and Its Non-Surgical and Surgical Treatments (2022)

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9501960/

In re Vital Pharmaceutical (2023)

https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/us-ban-crt-s-d-flo-for-lau-div/2289548.html

D'Souza Statement

https://dineshdsouza.com/statement-on-2000-mules/

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