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    Jake and Jonathan

    Jake and Jonathan (formally Product Breakfast Club) is a behind the scenes look at how some of the best companies in the world design their products. Jake Knapp, NY Times best-selling author of “Sprint”, has helped companies like Slack, Nest and 23andMe build successful products. Jonathan Courtney, co-founder of AJ&Smart, has worked with companies like RedBull, eBay and the United Nations, to help them build better products faster. In this new, exciting podcast, the two of them have teamed up to discuss things like product design, innovation and productivity.

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    81: The Secret Product Trick NO ONE WILL EVER TELL YOU ABOUT... except us Jun 03, 2019
    Show notes

    Jake & Jonathan go on a Play Date, literally not figuratively. Jonathan likes products that are made by teenagers---if they are also engineers. What is Withered Technology and how can you use it in your next meeting? Also, Jonathan asks Jake some totally relevant product questions.

    Links:

    1. Play.date
    2. Cabel Sasser (Twitter)
    3. Panic
    4. Transmit
    5. Edge Magazine
    6. The Playdate Is A Boutique Gaming Handheld With A Crank---Wired
    7. Teenage Engineering
    8. OP-1
    9. Mark Zuckerberg apparently tried to buy Panic, the creator of Playdate---Engadget
    10. Teehan+Lax
    11. IDEO
    12. Ueno
    13. Pentagram
    14. Accenture
    15. Nintendo's Little-Known Product Philosophy: Lateral Thinking with Withered ("Weathered") Technology---Medium
    16. Wii---Wikipedia
    17. iPod Shuffle---Wikipedia
    18. So Cards
    19. Guy Walks Into Giant Bear While Texting---YouTube
    20. Book: Sprint by Jake Knapp
    21. Book: Make Time by Jake Knapp
    22. AJ&Smart + Jake Knapp Official Design Sprint Masterclass:ajsmart.com/masterclass 🥇😯

    Your Hosts:

    • Follow Jake Knapp on Twitter: @jakek
    • Follow Jonathan Courtney on Instagram or Twitter: @jicecream
    • Follow AJ&Smart on Instagram or Twitter: @ajsmartdesign
    • Write into the podcast: pbc@ajsmart.com
    • Podcast editing by Jason Sanderson: PodcastTech.com
    • Show notes by @amrkhalifeh
    • Follow the podcast on Medium
    80: This is a Serious Problem (not clickbait) May 27, 2019
    Show notes

    Strap in for silly one! If you love Jake & Jonathan rambling about nothing in particular, this one is for you! Reviews make Jake cry. Jonathan doesn't like being misunderstood. Jake has no ego. Jonathan gets a bad coffee rating. Jake has a fancy toaster. 🍞

    Links:

    1. Book: Ego is the Enemy
    2. Book: Power of Moments
    3. Kevin Rose
    4. Breville
    5. Ex Machina
    6. Crete
    7. Book: Sprint by Jake Knapp
    8. Book: Make Time by Jake Knapp
    9. AJ&Smart + Jake Knapp Official Design Sprint Masterclass: ajsmart.com/masterclass

    Your Hosts:

    • Follow Jake Knapp on Twitter: @jakek
    • Follow Jonathan Courtney on Instagram or Twitter: @jicecream
    • Follow AJ&Smart on Instagram or Twitter: @ajsmartdesign
    • Write into the podcast: pbc@ajsmart.com
    • Podcast editing by Jason Sanderson: PodcastTech.com
    • Show notes by @amrkhalifeh
    • Follow the podcast on Medium
    79: No, “Empathy” won’t solve all your design problems May 20, 2019
    Show notes

    Tim & Amr are filling in for Jake & Jonathan this week—which means you'll actually get to listen to an episode related to the product world (shots fired)! They talk about how you shouldn't aim for empathy in design. And how books don't work.

    Links:

    1. Tim on Twitter
    2. Amr on Twitter
    3. Amr on Instagram
    4. Why I Don't Believe in Empathic Design---Don Norman---Adobe Blog
    5. Book: The Design of Everyday Things
    6. Book: Competing Against Luck: The Story of Innovation and Customer Choice
    7. Jobs-to-be-Done
    8. Book: Rework
    9. Jason Fried
    10. DHH
    11. Mike Matas
    12. Andy Matuschak
    13. Why books don't work---Andy Matuschak
    14. Quantum Country
    15. Learning How to Learn: Powerful mental tools to help you master tough subjects---Coursera
    16. Book: Buy Sprint! 📘🏃‍♀️
    17. Book: Buy Make Time! 📗⏰
    18. AJ&Smart + Jake Knapp Official Design Sprint Masterclass: ajsmart.com/masterclass 🥇😯

    Your Hosts:

    • Follow Jake Knapp on Twitter: @jakek
    • Follow Jonathan Courtney on Instagram or Twitter: @jicecream
    • Follow AJ&Smart on Instagram or Twitter: @ajsmartdesign
    • Write into the podcast: pbc@ajsmart.com
    • Podcast editing by Jason Sanderson: PodcastTech.com
    • Show notes by @amrkhalifeh
    • Follow the podcast on Medium
    78: 4 Product Books you HAVEN’T read May 13, 2019
    Show notes

    Jake & Amr talk about some books. Jake talks about books that influenced the idea that would later be part of the Design Sprint. How non-design books can help product designers. Facebook's redesign. Email. Distractions. Stuff!

    Links:

    1. Book: Sprint: How to Solve Big Problems and Test New Ideas in Just Five Days
    2. Book: Hacking Growth
    3. Book: Radical Candor
    4. Book: The Lean Startup
    5. Book: Power of Moments
    6. Book: Getting Real
    7. Book: Getting Things Done
    8. The Checklist---Atul Gawande---The New Yorker
    9. Book: The Checklist Manifesto
    10. Book: Decisive
    11. Book: Made to Stick
    12. Book: The Design of Everyday Things
    13. Book: Fooled by Randomness
    14. Book: Fooled by Randomness---Audible
    15. Facebook is redesigning its core app around the two parts people actually like to use---The Verge
    16. The 5 biggest announcements from Facebook's F8 developer conference keynote---The Verge
    17. The Innovation Hackers group on Facebook
    18. Cluster
    19. Ben Thompson's Stratechery
    20. Simplify for Gmail
    21. Inbox by Gmail
    22. Google Talk
    23. Priority Inbox
    24. Cal Newport
    25. Jake's workshops
    26. Jake's newsletter
    27. Book: Buy Sprint! 📘🏃‍♀️
    28. Book: Buy Make Time! 📗⏰
    29. AJ&Smart + Jake Knapp Official Design Sprint Masterclass:ajsmart.com/masterclass 🥇😯

    Your Hosts:

    • Follow Jake Knapp on Twitter: @jakek
    • Follow Jonathan Courtney on Instagram or Twitter: @jicecream
    • Follow AJ&Smart on Instagram or Twitter: @ajsmartdesign
    • Write into the podcast: pbc@ajsmart.com
    • Podcast editing by Jason Sanderson: PodcastTech.com
    • Show notes by @amrkhalifeh
    • Follow the podcast on Medium
    77: $32 Million Website Redesign OOPSIE BOO BOO May 06, 2019
    Show notes

    Jake & Jonathan talk about the messiness of gigantic projects in the design world and how they're set up to fail from the start, all in the context of the recent scandal with Accenture.

    Links:

    1. Hertz Sues Accenture for Breach of Contract Over 'Seriously Deficient' Web Design Work---Adweek
    2. Accenture sued over website redesign so bad it Hertz: Car hire biz demands $32m+ for 'defective' cyber-revamp --- The Register
    3. Accenture
    4. Fjord
    5. Baba Is You
    6. Edge
    7. Trüberbrook
    8. BTF
    9. Stardew Valley
    10. Game jam
    11. Book: Buy Sprint! 📘🏃‍♀️
    12. Book: Buy Make Time! 📗⏰
    13. AJ&Smart + Jake Knapp Official Design Sprint Masterclass: ajsmart.com/masterclass 🥇😯

    Your Hosts:

    • Follow Jake Knapp on Twitter: @jakek
    • Follow Jonathan Courtney on Instagram or Twitter: @jicecream
    • Follow AJ&Smart on Instagram or Twitter: @ajsmartdesign
    • Write into the podcast: pbc@ajsmart.com
    • Podcast editing by Jason Sanderson: PodcastTech.com
    • Show notes by @amrkhalifeh
    • Follow the podcast on Medium
    76: We were WRONG about VR Apr 29, 2019
    Show notes

    The podcast is back to normal this week. Which means there’s a whole lot of rambling and very little structure. Jonathan gives a few updates on his company (AJ&Smart) and mentions he’s looking to hire a few people. Then the boys talk VR and some book recommendations.

    Links:

    1. Simplify for Gmail
    2. There new open positions at AJ&Smart
    3. Jonathan had a great time at the INDUSTRY: The Product Conference
    4. Jonathan thinks the Nintendo VR is really cute
    5. Facebook VR avatar—Wired
    6. Book: Neuromancer—William Gibson—Amazon.com
    7. Book: The Fifth Science—Exurb1a—Amazon.com
    8. Book: Trillion Dollar Coach: The Leadership Playbook of Silicon Valley’s Bill Campbell—Eric Schmidt—Amazon.com
    9. Book: Rich Dad Poor Dad: What the Rich Teach Their Kids About Money That the Poor and Middle Class Do Not!—Robert T. Kiyosaki—Amazon.com
    10. Book: Crucial Conversations Tools for Talking When Stakes Are High, Second Edition—Kerry Patterson—Amazon.com
    11. Book: Ego is the Enemy: The Fight to Master Our Greatest Opponent—Ryan Holiday—Amazon.com
    12. Ryan Holiday
    13. Book: Perennial Seller: The Art of Making and Marketing Work that Lasts—Ryan Holiday—Amazon.com
    14. Book: 11/22/63: A Novel—Stephen King—Amazon.com
    15. Book: The Body — Stephen King — Amazon.com
    16. Stand by Me—Wikipedia
    17. Book: Different Seasons: Four Novellas—Stephen King—Amazon.com
    18. Book: Buy Sprint! 📘🏃‍♀️
    19. Book: Buy Make Time! 📗⏰
    20. AJ&Smart + Jake Knapp Official Design Sprint Masterclass: ajsmart.com/masterclass 🥇😯

    Your Hosts:

    • Follow Jake Knapp on Twitter: @jakek
    • Follow Jonathan Courtney on Instagram or Twitter: @jicecream
    • Follow AJ&Smart on Instagram or Twitter: @ajsmartdesign
    • Write into the podcast: pbc@ajsmart.com
    • Podcast editing by Jason Sanderson: PodcastTech.com
    • Show notes by @amrkhalifeh
    • Follow the podcast on Medium
    75: How to Found a Startup and Sell it to Google Apr 22, 2019
    Show notes

    Jake interviews ex-Googler Xander Pollock—one of the first people to run sell Design Sprints outside Google. They cover a bunch of topics, such as:

    • Starting a company
    • Raising funding
    • How Google made the decision to buy Xander’s company
    • Building relationships, no ego, directness
    • Salary negotiations & making career decisions based on money
    • Going independent

    Links

    1. designsprintpro.com
    2. Xander on LinkedIn, Medium, Twitter
    3. Tim Ferriss
    4. Marissa Mayer
    5. Paul Graham
    6. Punchd
    7. Fivestars
    8. Inbox by Gmail—Wikipedia
    9. Design Thinking—Wikipedia
    10. McKinsey
    11. Bain
    12. Book: Million Dollar Consulting—Alan Weiss—Amazon.com
    13. Book: Buy Sprint! 📘🏃‍♀️
    14. Book: Buy Make Time! 📗⏰
    15. AJ&Smart + Jake Knapp Official Design Sprint Masterclass: ajsmart.com/masterclass 🥇😯

    Your Hosts:

    • Follow Jake Knapp on Twitter: @jakek
    • Follow Jonathan Courtney on Instagram or Twitter: @jicecream
    • Follow AJ&Smart on Instagram or Twitter: @ajsmartdesign
    • Write into the podcast: pbc@ajsmart.com
    • Podcast editing by Jason Sanderson: PodcastTech.com
    • Show notes by @amrkhalifeh
    • Follow the podcast on Medium
    74: Design Ruined Everything Apr 14, 2019
    Show notes

    Jonathan's not here this week. So Jake is joined by Amr from AJ&Smart. Deja vu, anyone?

    Here’s a peek at the topics discussed in this episode:

    • 01:00—Amr's journey to becoming a designer
    • 19:20—Apple & VR
    • 31:20—Snap's new Snap Kit
    • 45:40—Pinterest's approach to growth
    • 51:50—The moral & ethical implications of design

    Links:

    1. Amr Khalifeh on Instagram
    2. Amr Khalifeh on Twitter
    3. Amr’s master studies: Usability Engineering, M.Sc. — Hochschule Rhein-Waal
    4. Apple has reportedly hired Arthur van Hoff, a founding executive of the Disney-backed VR startup Jaunt, as a senior architect—Variety
    5. Segway—Wikipedia
    6. Book: Ready Player One—Ernest Cline—Amazon.com
    7. Bird
    8. Lime
    9. Design Sprint—YouTube
    10. AirPods
    11. Google Glass—Wikipedia
    12. M.G. Siegler’s Newsletter
    13. Snap Kit
    14. To stop copycats, Snapchat shares itself—TechCrunch
    15. The anti-Facebook: Inside Pinterest’s slow and quiet rise—CNN
    16. Hippocratic Oath—Wikipedia
    17. Don’t be evil — Google — Wikipedia
    18. Book: Ruined by Design: How Designers Destroyed the World, and What We Can Do to Fix It—Mike Monteiro—Amazon.com
    19. Book: Superintelligence: Paths, Dangers, Strategies—Nick Bostrom—Amazon.com
    20. Book: Buy Sprint! 📘🏃‍♀️
    21. Book: Buy Make Time! 📗⏰
    22. AJ&Smart + Jake Knapp Official Design Sprint Masterclass: ajsmart.com/masterclass 🥇😯

    Your Hosts:

    • Follow Jake Knapp on Twitter: @jakek
    • Follow Jonathan Courtney on Instagram or Twitter: @jicecream
    • Follow AJ&Smart on Instagram or Twitter: @ajsmartdesign
    • Write into the podcast: pbc@ajsmart.com
    • Podcast editing by Jason Sanderson: PodcastTech.com
    • Show notes by @amrkhalifeh
    • Follow the podcast on Medium
    73: Steve Jobs VS Steve Ballmer (not clickbait) Apr 08, 2019
    Show notes

    Jake’s not here this week. So Jonathan is joined by Amr from AJ&Smart to talk about a little more about Apple (since they had their media event a couple weeks back); compare Apple’s leadership with Microsoft’s; and how to approach working on a “boring” product.

    Here’s a peek at the topics discussed in this episode:

    • Innovators vs executors
    • Has Apple become boring?
    • Who’s running product at Apple?
    • How Steve Ballmer ran Microsoft
    • How success can set you up to be disrupted
    • Microsoft is interesting now..?!
    • Companies should focus on doing boring well
    • How do you pitch a boring product?
    • Innovation is overrated
    • The importance of framing in product design

    Links

    Amr Khalifeh on Instagram

    Amr Khalifeh on Twitter

    Daring Fireball

    Book: The Four Steps to the Epiphany—Steve Blank

    Book: The Lean Startup: How Today’s Entrepreneurs Use Continuous Innovation to Create Radically Successful Businesses—Eric Ries

    Appl Still Hasn’t Fixd Its MacBook Kyboad Problm—Joanna Stern—The Wall Street Journal

    Apple apologizes for continued reliability problems with its MacBook keyboards

    The MacBook keyboard fiasco is way worse than Apple thinks—DHH—Signal v Noise

    Steve Jobs joking about MobileMe

    Loom

    Camtasia

    Book: Rework—Jason Fried & DHH

    Airtable

    Telegram

    Basecamp

    Book: Buy Sprint! 📘🏃‍♀️

    Book: Buy Make Time! 📗⏰

    AJ&Smart + Jake Knapp Official Design Sprint Masterclass:ajsmart.com/masterclass 🥇😯

    Your Hosts:

    • Follow Jake Knapp on Twitter: @jakek
    • Follow Jonathan Courtney on Instagram or Twitter: @jicecream
    • Follow AJ&Smart on Instagram or Twitter: @ajsmartdesign
    • Write into the podcast: pbc@ajsmart.com
    • Podcast editing by Jason Sanderson: PodcastTech.com
    • Show notes by @amrkhalifeh
    • Follow the podcast on Medium
    72: Inside My Dirty Airpods Apr 01, 2019
    Show notes

    Jake & Jonathan finally discuss Apple on the podcast for the FIRST TIME EVER! It’s weird how they’ve never covered Apple before—given Apple’s importance in the product space. But anyway, it’s here now! Enjoy!

    Here’s a peek at the topics discussed in this episode:

    • Understanding Apple's rececnt announcements
    • How Google Stadia is related to YouTube watch time
    • Apple Arcade and Jonathan’s predication about it
    • Critiquing Apple’s marketing pages
    • Apple’s relationship with gaming
    • Explaining why Apple’s lineup doesn’t make sense at times
    • How Jake uses his iPad Pro
    • Is Twitter better than Instagram for product designers?

    Links

    Apple unveils Apple TV+, the new home for the world’s most creative storytellers—Apple.com

    Apple introduces Apple Arcade — the world’s first game subscription service for mobile, desktop and the living room—Apple.com

    Introducing Apple Card, a new kind of credit card created by Apple—Apple.com

    Apple launches Apple News+, an immersive magazine and news reading experience—Apple.com

    AirPods, the world’s most popular wireless headphones, are getting even better—Apple.com

    iMac gets a 2x performance boost—Apple.com

    All-new iPad Air and iPad mini deliver dramatic power and capability—Apple.com

    Stratechery.com

    Baba Is You for Nintendo Switch

    Rumor: Xbox Games Pass Allegedly Coming to Nintendo Switch

    Official Google Stadia GDC 2019 Announcement Recap

    Vala Afshar on Twitter

    **Book: **Buy Sprint! 📘🏃‍♀️

    **Book: **Buy Make Time! 📗⏰

    AJ&Smart + Jake Knapp Official Design Sprint Masterclass:ajsmart.com/masterclass 🥇😯

    Your Hosts:

    • Follow Jake Knapp on Twitter: @jakek
    • Follow Jonathan Courtney on Instagram or Twitter: @jicecream
    • Follow AJ&Smart on Instagram or Twitter: @ajsmartdesign
    • Write into the podcast: pbc@ajsmart.com
    • Podcast editing by Jason Sanderson: PodcastTech.com
    • Show notes by @amrkhalifeh
    • Follow the podcast on Medium
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