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Just going to include the transcript this week...Monica: [00:00:26] Oh my gosh. It's been forever since we've gotten to talk. IJackie: [00:00:30] think about a year, actually. No.Monica: [00:00:34] So you're sheltering in place in Arizona. So you're back home. Is thatJackie: [00:00:39] I'm actually, I was back home. I'm from Jersey, Eric. I grew up in Jersey rather, but I came here last Wednesday. My aunts out here.Yeah. Just, you know how it is. Families spend too much time with family and it's just too much, too much of anything. It's like, It's not a good thing.Monica: [00:01:00] I feel really lucky that I have not, not gotten into the frat letters of being sick of my family yet, but it's not, I mean, I'm the adult in the family, so that makes it easier when you're the one in charge.Jackie: [00:01:13] Definitely. Yeah. Yeah.Monica: [00:01:16] So we decided not to start on anything light on our first interview back. Um, You came to me with a really great topic that I couldn't resist covering, but uh, definitely not going to be late. So I might end up crying.Jackie: [00:01:34] And then yeah,Monica: [00:01:36] the emotional I specifically did not wear mascara.Jackie: [00:01:41] Me either for that reason, no laziness or anything. I mean,Monica: [00:01:49] partly laziness, but definitely I did not want to be reckoning. Um, so we're doing, um, sexual assault is the topic of theJackie: [00:01:58] day and also how it can impact, I guess like the repercussions of sexual assaults. Yeah. Yeah.Monica: [00:02:10] Yeah. It's like with both of our disorders, that's one of the, the things that they say can not necessarily cause, but definitely they see a aligned through us with fibromyalgia.They have a tremendous amount of people who have had sexual assault as childrenJackie: [00:02:26] it's through any sickness. I think the more I learn about health, like, you know, psychological, physical, they're both. So, um, Intertwined. And I just wish our society was more educated about everything. That's, that's useful, you know, like this is such useful information and we don't talk about it.Um, so that's why I wanted to talk about this topic because I feel like there's definitely a gap in terms of yeah. The, I guess, education or the information that's easily accessible to. The general population about this topic, um, and about the repercussions, the negative repercussions of sexual assault specifically.Um, and hopefully I feel like if, I mean, maybe not, but hopefully I felt like if, you know, education tends to tends to lead to progress, um, and. I was kind of putting my acting hat on and thinking about, um, any of the perpetrators of, you know, in any of these scenarios and maybe thinking that they. Don't have a full grasp of, you know, the act that they're partaking in.And maybe this was my hope of, um, maybe if they did, and they were a bit more informed than they would think twice about acting on it. You know what I mean? Like there is a lot of ignorance in any kind of criminal activity or, um, and I don't, I mean, I was just trying to be hopeful and thinking. And that way.Cause like, cause people, I feel like you don't understand it unless it's something that you've gone through. And then if you start reading about, um, if you start reading about any kind of health book, probably it'll touch on the subject of sexual assault, just because it is so ingrained in every illness, unfortunately.Um, so yeah, I feel like I'm, I'm, uh, I hope I'm making sense, but.That was just my hope.Monica: [00:04:49] It's a beautiful hope. I love the, I love that idea. I I'm a little, um, well first I just want to say if this is something that you're experiencing currently right now, or if you need past help, we do have, um, if you should go to show notes at the very top, I'm going to have the number for rain.And then also, um, of course, like, I don't know about you, Jackie, but I certainly had some. Some very dark, suicidal tendencies, uh, during those times. So I will also have the suicide support numbers up the very top. So if you are in need of help or if at any point, this is like, you know, like trauma is like grief.It's these like huge waves that come up and they pull you under for a long time and then they get further apart. But there are some sneaky ass undertows that just come up with trauma and grief that just. Unexpectedly pull you. So if you are feeling those polls, please, I will have things in the show notes we're at the very top.Uh, the only thing that like, I, I would love to hope that too, because so much of our media is, um, I don't wanna say romanticizing, but sexualizing sexual assault. Like if you see sexual assault on a TV show, it's, it's always done pretty like weirdly pretty. And it's like these, this pushes that it's not, it's not that,Jackie: [00:06:02] um,Monica: [00:06:03] Bad to do to someone.And then you have like, there's that, um, that study that was done, where they talked to men who were catcalling women and the men were like, Hey, they appreciate it. You know, I grabbed them on the ass and then they're like, they knew that the hottest girl in their group and women were like, no, no, no, we don't like it.I'm specifically telling you we don't like it and they're like, no, no, no, you do. So I'm just, I'm always like, you know, I would love to think that if someone hears that this is traumatic, but I think there's so much ingrained in the culture that they don't even believe what we say.Jackie: [00:06:39] Well, yeah. I don't know if you can, I don't know if you can, uh, I mean, I don't know if we're talking about women here or just anyone in general,Monica: [00:06:49] anyone?I think we are absolutely like sexual assault is like anyone on the planet can be, has, you know, it's been touchedJackie: [00:06:59] her catcalling specifically. I know that I had a former boss or, well, probably just because of the scenario former, but we've, we've stayed in touch. Um, a longterm boss who actually has. Kind of said the opposite of what you're saying.Um, just because she likes the attention of being catcalled and she doesn't look at it in a negative light, however, you know, the topic of sexual abuse or anything, of course. Um, but I don't think there is. Yeah, I don't think there is a, a pro with being abused andMonica: [00:07:38] catcalled, like my biggest trauma and not biggest drama, but like the trauma that I can remember first is being 12 and walking down the street and having grown men yell what they want to do to me as I was walking.And I feel like cat calling, you know, okay. If someone likes that, Don't don't make that. So like everyone has to deal with that shit. Cause that's, um, no one who's cat calling thinks you're going to get a date or, you know, a partner this like that is the specifically like a violent act to make people feel unsafe, being out like that.That made me feel so unsafe, walking anywhere, being on a street anywhere, it would happen all the time. When I was growing up like walking anywhere, it was like, Terrifying because of the very viralJackie: [00:08:23] things. That'd be shouted. I'm sorry to hear that. Um, yeah, I can definitely make it can definitely make you uncomfortable.Um, Absolutely. I don't understand why people, anytime, anyone just assumes that they have the power to like interrupt your day. You know, like it's, you're essentially like raping our time just by assuming that w you know, we have to engage in this behavior nearly trying to walk down the street. Um, That's how I feel about it sometimes.Um, I can see her her perspective when it's not, when it's a little bit more innocent and not, um, but maybe that's where the confusion lies. Like if for any attack or I guess if, if that's the word to use, if there are scenarios where people are seeing. Yeah, a positive reactions to that kind of attention and maybe, um, amplifies, you know, I mean, It doesn't make it.Okay. But, um, I'm trying to get a grasp of understanding,Monica: [00:09:34] but that's the thing is they're all trying to get a grasp and we're not a high of mind, like, you know, the owners of ovaries, Andries the test owners of testicles. Like none of us are a high of mind. We all have. Have different things, but you made a great point about like, what do we owe, like, do I owe someone my time?Do I owe someone my attention? Just because I'm sitting by myself or because I was walking by myself, like, do I owe that? You know, do you have the right to like insert yourself into someone else's life?Jackie: [00:10:04] And even now I feel like that. Well, right now, that's probably happening less in a physical sense, just because of the state of the world right now.Um, you know, everyone's just out less, especially in New York or if you're like catcalling happens the most are cities and things like that. But because of the age of the digital age and social media that happens or similar events like that happen, um, Via social media and via Instagram, via Facebook and all these things.Um, especially the more visible you are. Like I recently have been gaining, are there more fans or just like a stronger engagement with my fans online, um, which is overall positive, but it has been very frustrating because I've had to deal with. I guess we could kind of, we could kind of call it. Um, it's a kin to cackling really.It's like social media catcalling, you know? Um, and it's really frustrating, actually. It's very, very frustrating. It's really hurtful and angering. Um, like I'll have, I'll have a couple of guys. Yeah. I'll have people send me like Dick pics or like ask me for nude photos. I had somebody. Texted me an entirely new photo.And I'm like, how did this person get my number that was last week? And it'sMonica: [00:11:33] scary because you can get your number. They can get other information about you.Jackie: [00:11:37] It's really scary. I mean, I blocked them and I blocked everybody else who was treating me with like that kind of disrespect. That's just blatant disrespect.I don't, there's really nothing else to say about that, but. It's just sad. I feel like even though this is not a gender specific issue, it definitely stems from a lot of the way that our society does you gender, because it is more female centric typically. Um, I can't speak for. Thou GBTQ community, um, or really everyone as a whole.But I think statistically, it is, I mean, you and I were just talkingMonica: [00:12:17] about our personal experiences and our personal feelings. I mean, that's the, anybody's listening to this. Like that's, that's literally, all we're talking about right now is how we personally feel, because I can't speak forJackie: [00:12:26] anyone else.Yeah. I've personally been trying to vet to be more of an advocate. Um, whenever these situations come up, Just because I've, I'm confused, you know? Um, I th I think I posted about it. I mean, I shared it with some friends just because I had to get some kind of emotional support after a situation like that.Um, especially during a time, like now, when everyone is everyone's mental health for the most part has been more effected too. So we're all a little bit more vulnerable and like, we just don't need that, you know? Um, and it's also the mining. Oh, go ahead. Sorry. Oh, I was saying it's also frustrating for me for if these are my fans.It's like, I feel like I have a responsibility to help educate or to maybe, um, what's the word, I guess like, Act differently on social media, but I don't know, you know what I mean? Like, like, is it false? But I feel like that's what happens in a lot of these. Like, I don't think it is our fault. Um, I have a pretty, I'm not like overtly sexual.There are maybe some more sexualized photos, but I'm not overly sexual or social media. That's no problem for that. A lot of people have, it's like getting shameful for having been on the receiving end of, um, situations like this. Someone once saidMonica: [00:14:02] that, um, a rape is as much to do with sex as hitting someone over the head with a pan is to do with cooking.And I think that, um, that's really true. Like, it's not about how you portray yourself. Like you should be able to walk into a room without a top. And just like men who are able to walk around without a shirt. You shouldn't be treated any differently. Like it is a matter of someone feeling like they should have access to you or that they need toJackie: [00:14:27] checkMonica: [00:14:28] you, that you need to be silenced, or you need to behave in a certain arbitrary way.And that's about control. That's not about you did something wrong that someone wanting to control your space, your words, yourJackie: [00:14:39] image, it's completely about control and power. You know, it's completely about all of that. And that's why, Mmm. But I think we had originally been talking, we were originally talking about talking about eating disorders and addiction rate and all those illnesses STEM from an inability of feeling out of control and an inability, you know, feeling rendered powerless by there are circumstances typically, um, and less about for eating disorders, you know, like what you look like in the mirror or, um, Yeah, it's really, it's all about control.And so that's why they're from my experience. And I have, from what I've read has just been, so, Mmm. They can like easily coexist, I guess, you know, we're yeah. I'm not sure to where to use, but I guess like, I guess, yeah, I think sexual assault can definitely cause. Eating disorder and addiction issues as well.Monica: [00:15:45] I started dieting at eight. I was sexually assaulted when I was five. And I can tell you right now how Lake meshed. Those two things were because I started developing really early. So I wanted to look like my friends who were all skinny and like rulers, they were a little Willow, the wisps. And, um, I felt like they were safer because I got boobs.And then all of a sudden grown men were paying attention to me in a way I was not okay with. And I was still very traumatized for selling, but I didn't have the right words for.Jackie: [00:16:19] So I wasMonica: [00:16:20] trying to make myself into a girl again, into a girl's body again, by restricting my food. And that went all the way through your, like my twenties, I think was when I finally stopped, like restricting my calorie intake.Jackie: [00:16:34] Well, I'm really sorry to hear about that experience. Um, I cannot even imagine like being that young and having to undergo that that's terrifying. Um, Fiona Apple definitely speaks about the same thing. Like exactly what you're saying. And she's naturally not a voluptuous woman. So that's just, it, it really goes to show how, Mmm, I guess how detrimental these situations can be and the intense impact of them, you know?Cause she's, she has naturally more, very lean women. So for someone to. Stop eating in the hopes of becoming less feminine and becoming less of, um, a target then, you know, it's really bad. Yeah.Monica: [00:17:29] And there's a lot that we,Jackie: [00:17:31] we decide.Monica: [00:17:33] Denotes consent from what someone wears that their clothing has more of a say of yes…
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