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    Invest in You

    Invest in You is a global podcast where Fredrik Sandvall shares ideas and conversations with entrepreneurs, investors, and operators. The show explores investing, entrepreneurship, AI, and personal development with a focus on long-term value, ownership, and clear decision-making.

    Occasionally joined by his sons, Charlie and Ivan, the podcast blends experience with a next-generation perspective. The goal is simple: help you think better, act with intent, and build a life and portfolio that compound over time.

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    Latest Episodes:
    Mastering Creative Real Estate and Passive Income with Brent Bowers Feb 25, 2026
    Show notes

    In this insightful episode, Fredrik sits down with real estate entrepreneur and land-flipping expert Brent Bowers. They dive into the strategies behind successful land investment, the power of creative financing, and how to build a sustainable passive income stream. From Brent's transition from the military to real estate, to the nuts and bolts of property negotiation and the potential of AI in the industry, this conversation is packed with actionable advice for anyone looking to scale their investment portfolio.

    KEY TAKEAWAYS

    Brent emphasises a straightforward strategy: buying raw land and selling it for a profit, often through creative financing like seller financing to generate consistent cash flow.

    Brent attributes his strong work ethic and success to the discipline he learned during his time in the military, particularly the habit of winning the morning through early exercise and education.

    Whether it's seller financing or mortgage wrap-arounds, creative deal-making allows for lower entry costs and long-term passive income, often outperforming traditional rental property yields.

    Success comes from a consistent, high-volume approach. Using direct mail, specific data sources, and CRM software to send out offer letters ensures a steady pipeline of potential deals.

    Rather than fearing AI, Brent sees it as a powerful asset that can streamline business operations, assist with personal relationships, and even provide fitness guidance, ultimately creating more opportunities.

    BEST MOMENTS

    "You can take all the money, you can take everything, but if I still have my health, I can always get everything back again."

    "Real estate is not complicated; real estate investors are complicated."

    "You win the morning, you win the day."

    "I turned my car into a mobile, you know, library, where I wasn't listening to music, I was educating myself and taking action."

    "Am I talking to a buyer or someone that wants to list it for me to actually sell it?"

    ABOUT THE GUEST

    Brent Bowers

    https://www.thelandsharks.com/

    Wealthy Gardener

    https://amzn.to/46aSZo4

    Books by Fredrik Sandvall

    Options Strategy: Build to Keep. Ready to Sell Tomorrow.

    For founders and CEOs who want businesses that compound in value, stay under control, and are always sale-ready.

    ⁠https://amzn.to/4pwVhoi⁠

    The Abyss of Finance: Trust, Leverage and the Cycles of Collapse

    For investors and leaders who want to understand why financial systems break before they do.

    ⁠https://amzn.to/3YsRKfI⁠

    About the Podcast

    Invest in You is a global podcast where entrepreneur and investor Fredrik Sandvall shares practical ideas and conversations with founders, investors, and operators. Episodes focus on investing, entrepreneurship, and building long-term control and freedom.

    Occasionally joined by his sons Ivan and Charlie, the show offers both experience-based insight and a next-generation perspective.

    Listeners in 155+ countries tune in to think clearer, act smarter, and build with intent.

    Community & Contact

    Podcast community: https://bit.ly/4jxF94k

    Fredrik Sandvall

    LinkedIn: ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/sandvall/⁠

    Facebook: ⁠https://www.facebook.com/FredrikinLondon/⁠


    Navigating Business Transitions and the Psychology of Success Feb 20, 2026
    Show notes

    In this episode, Fredrik sits down Joel Redmond, Managing Director at KeyBank, to discuss the complex intersection of financial planning, business transitions, and personal productivity. Joel shares his expertise on helping lower-middle and middle-market business owners prepare for significant life changes, such as selling a business or transitioning it to a family member.

    KEY TAKEAWAYS

    Before selling, owners should evaluate the business's market value, their personal financial needs to meet life goals, the business's ability to run without them, and their own psychological readiness for the next chapter.

    Success can be distilled by asking, ‘What’s the one thing I can do right now such that by doing it, everything else becomes easier or unnecessary?’.

    Achieving high-level results requires scheduled, concentrated effort (Deep Work) which leads to a state of ‘Flow’, where one is fully absorbed and engaged in a task.

    Effective execution involves focusing on the wildly important, acting on lead measures, keeping a compelling scoreboard, and maintaining a cadence of accountability.

    Automating repetitive tasks through detailed checklists reduces mental fatigue and ‘produces flow’ by creating a clear, repeatable path for complex processes like email management or hiring.

    BEST MOMENTS

    "Success is a range. In the private business world, you can have a multitude of different values for the same exact business at the same exact time depending on the purpose of the value."

    "There's two types of people in the world: you have people that work because they have to, and people that work because they want to. Many owners, when they sell their business, will cross that river."

    "Knowledge is the only asset not subject to the law of diminishing returns."

    "When trust breaks, liquidity vanishes first, price collapses later."

    "The only new thing in the world is the history you haven't read yet."

    ABOUT THE GUEST

    Joel T Redmond

    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jtredmond/

    Company: Key Private bank https://www.key.com/personal/index.html

    Resource: https://www.key.com/wealth/our-insights/managing-your-business.html?page=1

    Books and Authors Mentioned:

    - The ONE Thing by Gary Keller

    https://amzn.to/4rxhOma

    - Deep Work by Cal Newport

    https://amzn.to/3ZfNn8b

    - Who Not How by Benjamin Hardy and Dan Sullivan

    https://amzn.to/3ZjFQoN

    - The Checklist Manifesto by Atul Gawande

    https://amzn.to/4rwflZh

    - Flow by Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi

    https://amzn.to/4kfS9Mm

    Books by Fredrik Sandvall

    Options Strategy: Build to Keep. Ready to Sell Tomorrow.

    For founders and CEOs who want businesses that compound in value, stay under control, and are always sale-ready.

    ⁠https://amzn.to/4pwVhoi⁠

    The Abyss of Finance: Trust, Leverage and the Cycles of Collapse

    For investors and leaders who want to understand why financial systems break before they do.

    ⁠https://amzn.to/3YsRKfI⁠

    About the Podcast

    Invest in You is a global podcast where entrepreneur and investor Fredrik Sandvall shares practical ideas and conversations with founders, investors, and operators. Episodes focus on investing, entrepreneurship, and building long-term control and freedom.

    Occasionally joined by his sons Ivan and Charlie, the show offers both experience-based insight and a next-generation perspective.

    Listeners in 155+ countries tune in to think clearer, act smarter, and build with intent.

    Community & Contact

    Podcast community: https://bit.ly/4jxF94k

    Fredrik Sandvall

    LinkedIn: ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/sandvall/⁠

    Facebook: ⁠https://www.facebook.com/FredrikinLondon/


    The Intelligence Investment Brief Feb 19, 2026
    Show notes

    In this episode, Fredrik breaks down the massive structural shifts occurring in the 2026 global stock market. With nearly $1 trillion wiped off software valuations recently, Sandvall investigates the re-pricing effect of AI. He argues that while traditional Software-as-a-Service (SaaS) models are struggling due to their reliance on human labor and per-seat pricing, the market is aggressively rewarding companies that control the physical and technical infrastructure of AI, like cloud computing, cybersecurity, and semiconductors.

    KEY TAKEAWAYS

    The market is punishing ‘workflow’ companies (SaaS) that monetise labor and human headcount, while rewarding ‘infrastructure’ companies that monetise outcomes and compute power.

    Giants like Microsoft and Oracle remain ‘durable’ because their deep enterprise integration makes them extremely painful and expensive for businesses to replace.

    AI isn't just a software upgrade; it’s a tool that allows small teams (e.g., five people) to operate with the output of fifty, fundamentally changing corporate value structures.

    Investment is shifting toward the ‘plumbing’ of the digital world, semiconductors, data storage, and energy supply, all of which are essential for AI to function.

    BEST MOMENTS

    "AI is not just disrupting industries; AI is re-pricing and exposing things that were usually linked to labour. It’s re-pricing how labour is contributing to production."

    "The question is: Can you monetise an outcome, or do you monetise the labor? Right now, with AI amplifying everything, I would rather pay for an outcome than the man-hours spent on it."

    "Like any city without the plumbing, it’s not the right place to be. AI plumbing is here to stay."

    "Software is a feature, not a platform. With AI, things like digital signatures become a functionality that is easy to work around and build yourself."

    "Capital leaves footprints, and it takes long before headlines explain them. Usually, no one is trying to analyse what it actually means underneath the big red titles on the screen."

    Books by Fredrik Sandvall

    Options Strategy: Build to Keep. Ready to Sell Tomorrow.

    For founders and CEOs who want businesses that compound in value, stay under control, and are always sale-ready.

    ⁠https://amzn.to/4pwVhoi⁠

    The Abyss of Finance: Trust, Leverage and the Cycles of Collapse

    For investors and leaders who want to understand why financial systems break before they do.

    ⁠https://amzn.to/3YsRKfI⁠

    About the Podcast

    Invest in You is a global podcast where entrepreneur and investor Fredrik Sandvall shares practical ideas and conversations with founders, investors, and operators. Episodes focus on investing, entrepreneurship, and building long-term control and freedom.

    Occasionally joined by his sons Ivan and Charlie, the show offers both experience-based insight and a next-generation perspective.

    Listeners in 155+ countries tune in to think clearer, act smarter, and build with intent.

    Community & Contact

    Podcast community: https://bit.ly/4jxF94k

    Fredrik Sandvall

    LinkedIn: ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/sandvall/⁠

    Facebook: ⁠https://www.facebook.com/FredrikinLondon/⁠


    Navigating Market Volatility with Axel Merk Feb 18, 2026
    Show notes

    In this episode, Ivan is joined by seasoned investment expert Axel Merk, President and CIO of Merk Investments. Axel shares his profound insights into the current state of precious metals, the intricacies of the gold and silver markets, and the underlying factors driving recent market volatility. They delve into the differences between physical and paper assets, the role of central banks in the modern monetary system, and the potential impact of AI and technological advancements on economic productivity.

    KEY TAKEAWAYS

    Axel emphasises that while the prices of gold and silver may fluctuate significantly due to market sentiment and derivative trading, the intrinsic value and physical nature of these assets remain constant.

    Derivative markets, originally intended for hedging, can cause significant market distortions when speculators take large positions, as seen in recent silver price movements.

    The modern monetary system is heavily influenced by central bank policies, with currency value often backed by the taxing power of governments and the confidence in these institutions.

    Axel discusses the necessity of a productivity boom, potentially driven by AI and deregulation, to manage massive global debt levels and sustain economic stability.

    Beyond financial markets, Axel highlights that the most impactful investment an individual can make is in their own health, learning, and personal development.

    BEST MOMENTS

    "When you have extreme volatility, that small print suddenly matters."

    "Gold hasn't changed; it's just our perception of gold that has changed."

    "The best investment you can ultimately do is in yourself. Think of yourself as a fixed-income generating machine."

    "Trust is the currency here, without the trust in the dollar and everything else, it will not work."

    "Don't let pride get in the way of things. Talk about money, talk about these things, get people comfortable with these topics."

    ABOUT THE GUEST

    Axel Merk

    Founder Merk Investments. $4bn in gold & miners.

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/axelmerk/

    https://www.merkinvestments.com/

    X @axelmerk

    Books by Fredrik Sandvall

    Options Strategy: Build to Keep. Ready to Sell Tomorrow.

    For founders and CEOs who want businesses that compound in value, stay under control, and are always sale-ready.

    ⁠https://amzn.to/4pwVhoi⁠

    The Abyss of Finance: Trust, Leverage and the Cycles of Collapse

    For investors and leaders who want to understand why financial systems break before they do.

    ⁠https://amzn.to/3YsRKfI⁠

    About the Podcast

    Invest in You is a global podcast where entrepreneur and investor Fredrik Sandvall shares practical ideas and conversations with founders, investors, and operators. Episodes focus on investing, entrepreneurship, and building long-term control and freedom.

    Occasionally joined by his sons Ivan and Charlie, the show offers both experience-based insight and a next-generation perspective.

    Listeners in 155+ countries tune in to think clearer, act smarter, and build with intent.

    Community & Contact

    Podcast community: https://bit.ly/4jxF94k

    Fredrik Sandvall

    LinkedIn: ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/sandvall/⁠

    Facebook: ⁠https://www.facebook.com/FredrikinLondon/⁠


    Navigating Global Economic Volatility: Resilience in the New Reality Feb 16, 2026
    Show notes

    Today, Fredrik provides a candid and comprehensive look at the ‘state of affairs’ across the global economy. Moving beyond headlines, Sandvall explores the interconnected nature of labor markets, central bank policies, and asset volatility. He explains how corporate ‘de-risking’, including mass layoffs at giants like Amazon and UPS, is reshaping the power dynamic for employees and why the high numbers on the stock market may be an illusion caused by currency debasement.

    KEY TAKEAWAYS

    While the system is not yet at mass unemployment, employers are tightening the market by not rehiring when people leave. This weakens the worker's position to negotiate salary, though ‘blue-collar’ experts like electricians remain in high demand compared to corporate roles.

    While stock markets are hitting record highs, Sandvall argues these are ‘new dollar’ highs. When adjusted for real inflation and massive money printing, the actual value of these assets may not be higher than they were a decade ago.

    There is a significant divergence between paper and physical assets. While paper silver and Bitcoin are traded heavily by banks, physical assets are increasingly being ‘hoarded’ by Asian markets as a hedge against currency de-basing.

    Consumer-facing businesses are struggling as people play ‘defense’ with their money. This leads to a cycle of promotions and discounts that eventually erodes revenue before the full extent of the collapse is visible.

    Fredrik advises listeners to maintain several months of cash availability and to de-risk shaky assets now, noting that even ‘stop-losses’ in trading systems can fail during a bank run or extreme market volatility.

    BEST MOMENTS

    "The system is slow. It's hard to get a job if you're outside the market, and we see a lot of layoffs partly linked to AI, partly linked to companies de-risking and preparing for the future."

    "If people think the economy will go down, the economy will become smaller, quite simply because people are playing defense."

    "We are currently at the all-time high in terms of the stock exchange in many parts of the world, but that is in today's money. It's not the same money as it was 10 years ago."

    “Your money in the bank, you can't withdraw it because it doesn't work. The money is not possible to turn into cash unless you do it first and no one else asks for it."

    "Expect more quantitative easing. Why? Because it’s less painful, and the system needs to survive."

    Books by Fredrik Sandvall

    Options Strategy: Build to Keep. Ready to Sell Tomorrow.

    For founders and CEOs who want businesses that compound in value, stay under control, and are always sale-ready.

    ⁠https://amzn.to/4pwVhoi⁠

    The Abyss of Finance: Trust, Leverage and the Cycles of Collapse

    For investors and leaders who want to understand why financial systems break before they do.

    ⁠https://amzn.to/3YsRKfI⁠

    About the Podcast

    Invest in You is a global podcast where entrepreneur and investor Fredrik Sandvall shares practical ideas and conversations with founders, investors, and operators. Episodes focus on investing, entrepreneurship, and building long-term control and freedom.

    Occasionally joined by his sons Ivan and Charlie, the show offers both experience-based insight and a next-generation perspective.

    Listeners in 155+ countries tune in to think clearer, act smarter, and build with intent.

    Community & Contact

    Podcast community: https://bit.ly/4jxF94k

    Fredrik Sandvall

    LinkedIn: ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/sandvall/⁠

    Facebook: ⁠https://www.facebook.com/FredrikinLondon/⁠


    The Art of the Operator: Merging Routine, AI, and Global Exploration Feb 13, 2026
    Show notes

    In this episode, Fredrik sits down with Otto Taton, an Account Executive and Sales Enablement Specialist at Instantly.ai, to discuss the evolving landscape of high-performance living. From the beaches of LA to the streets of Rio de Janeiro, Otto shares how he balances a demanding career in the AI sector with a passion for global travel and fitness. The conversation dives deep into the ‘Operator’ mindset, the ability to execute daily tasks with military-like precision, and explores practical strategies for lead generation using LinkedIn and automated cold email.

    KEY TAKEAWAYS

    Being an operator means managing your day-to-day activities in business and personal life with a highly structured, timely, and responsible execution.

    AI tools like Instantly.ai are revolutionising lead generation by automating cold emails and managing infrastructure, allowing founders to save dozens of hours a week.

    You should only automate tasks that you are already doing manually. Automation should solve for mundane, repetitive tasks (like lead scraping) rather than complex processes you haven't mastered yet.

    With over 1.2 billion users but fewer than 9 million consistent posters, there is a massive opportunity to stand out by simply telling your story and using ‘lead magnets’.

    While consistency is a popular goal, Otto argues that discipline is more reliable. Discipline ensures that even when you don't feel consistent, the work still gets done.

    BEST MOMENTS

    “An operator is someone who just operates their day-to-day activities, business, work, personal, in a very structured and timely manner. They know what they need to do and they get it done."

    "There's 1.2 billion people on LinkedIn. Less than 9 million post consistently. It's never been easier to stand out on LinkedIn."

    "I'm getting all these amazing new life experiences, meeting all these beautiful new people, but I'm managing to do it while also progressing my career."

    "Don't just try and automate something for the sake of automating it. You should only automate tasks that you're already doing manually that are insanely boring [and] insanely mundane."

    "If you're thinking of doing something, visualise it and speak it into existence. Even if it's a tiny step, that's all we can do as humans."

    ABOUT THE GUEST

    Otto Tatton

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/ottotatton/

    Books by Fredrik Sandvall

    Options Strategy: Build to Keep. Ready to Sell Tomorrow.

    For founders and CEOs who want businesses that compound in value, stay under control, and are always sale-ready.

    ⁠https://amzn.to/4pwVhoi⁠

    The Abyss of Finance: Trust, Leverage and the Cycles of Collapse

    For investors and leaders who want to understand why financial systems break before they do.

    ⁠https://amzn.to/3YsRKfI⁠

    About the Podcast

    Invest in You is a global podcast where entrepreneur and investor Fredrik Sandvall shares practical ideas and conversations with founders, investors, and operators. Episodes focus on investing, entrepreneurship, and building long-term control and freedom.

    Occasionally joined by his sons Ivan and Charlie, the show offers both experience-based insight and a next-generation perspective.

    Listeners in 155+ countries tune in to think clearer, act smarter, and build with intent.

    Community & Contact

    Podcast community: https://bit.ly/4jxF94k

    Fredrik Sandvall

    LinkedIn: ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/sandvall/⁠

    Facebook: ⁠https://www.facebook.com/FredrikinLondon/⁠


    Incentive-Based Marketing and the AI Multiplier Feb 11, 2026
    Show notes

    In this episode, Fredrik is joined by marketing veteran John Dwyer (JD), founder of the Institute of Wow. JD shares his wealth of experience in incentive-based marketing, a strategy he has used for major brands like McDonald's, 7-Eleven, and BP. He explains how businesses can move away from competing solely on price by offering high-value incentives, like free vacations or adult Happy Meal toys, to attract and convert qualified leads.

    KEY TAKEAWAYS

    Attract customers and stand out from competitors by offering high-perceived-value incentives (like a vacation) that cost the business relatively little.

    Copywriting remains essential; effective marketing identifies a customer's problem, aggravates it, and then provides a clear solution with proof and a strong call to action.

    AI is a powerful tool for automating tedious tasks like lead generation and outreach, but it cannot replace human creativity and original ideas.

    Stand out by being unusual, unconventional, or unexpected in how you serve your customers and market your business.

    Collecting and leveraging customer data is crucial for retargeting and long-term loyalty; even small businesses should prioritise data collection.

    BEST MOMENTS

    "Do not give away prizes that are unrelated to your product. Give away your product or your service."

    "We teach businesses how to get customers' eyes off the price, [using] incentive-based marketing."

    "AI won't replace creativity. The idea is really where everything starts."

    "While attention is rented, loyalty is owned."

    "If you're not living life on the edge, you're taking up too much room in the middle."

    Books by Fredrik Sandvall

    Options Strategy: Build to Keep. Ready to Sell Tomorrow.

    For founders and CEOs who want businesses that compound in value, stay under control, and are always sale-ready.

    ⁠https://amzn.to/4pwVhoi⁠

    The Abyss of Finance: Trust, Leverage and the Cycles of Collapse

    For investors and leaders who want to understand why financial systems break before they do.

    ⁠https://amzn.to/3YsRKfI⁠

    About the Podcast

    Invest in You is a global podcast where entrepreneur and investor Fredrik Sandvall shares practical ideas and conversations with founders, investors, and operators. Episodes focus on investing, entrepreneurship, and building long-term control and freedom.

    Occasionally joined by his sons Ivan and Charlie, the show offers both experience-based insight and a next-generation perspective.

    Listeners in 155+ countries tune in to think clearer, act smarter, and build with intent.

    Community & Contact

    Podcast community: https://bit.ly/4jxF94k

    Fredrik Sandvall

    LinkedIn: ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/sandvall/⁠

    Facebook: ⁠https://www.facebook.com/FredrikinLondon/⁠


    Building a Founder-Independent Business with Jesse P. Gilmore Feb 06, 2026
    Show notes

    In this insightful episode, Fredrik sits down with Jesse P. Gilmore, a seasoned business strategist and author of ‘The Leverage for Growth Method’. Jesse shares his transformative journey from being a micromanager working 80-hour weeks across three dissolving businesses to becoming a visionary CEO of Niche in Control. Their conversation delves into the concept of ‘founder-independent’ businesses, the dangers of single points of failure, and how to reclaim your time and freedom by prioritising personal well-being through the ‘Body, Being, Balance, and Business’ framework.

    KEY TAKEAWAYS

    Success starts with the ‘Body, Being, Balance, and Business’ hierarchy. By putting your health and relationships before business, you actually become more present and effective as a leader.

    A business that relies solely on the founder is a ‘monster’ that traps you. Growth requires building systems and teams so the business can function without your constant intervention.

    A seven-day time log is a powerful tool to identify ‘energy uplifting’ versus ‘energy draining’ tasks. This clarity allows you to eliminate, automate, delegate, or time-block effectively.

    Use AI to handle non-value-added tasks and polish your own creative ideas. The goal is to move from being a subject matter expert/operator to a visionary CEO.

    In a world saturated with AI-generated content, raw and honest communication creates a lasting ‘recall’ with your audience. People yearn for real human experiences and connection.

    BEST MOMENTS

    "97% who quit are employed by the 3% that never gave up."

    "A founder-independent business is really where the founder is able to work in the business when they want to, but mostly they are empowering others to run the business for them."

    "Investing in myself meant that I put myself first. Focus on your health first, then your connection with God, then balance (family), and business comes last."

    "No data transfers should be done by a human anymore."

    "Legacy isn't just financial; it's the memories, traditions, and experiences you do with your kids that they’ll pass on to theirs."

    ABOUT THE GUEST

    Jesse Gilmore

    Website - https://www.nicheincontrol.com

    Free copy of the book, The Agency Owner's Guide to Freedom - https://www.nicheincontrol.com/book

    Next live event - https://events.nicheincontrol.com

    LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessepgilmore

    Books by Fredrik Sandvall

    Options Strategy: Build to Keep. Ready to Sell Tomorrow.

    For founders and CEOs who want businesses that compound in value, stay under control, and are always sale-ready.

    ⁠https://amzn.to/4pwVhoi⁠

    The Abyss of Finance: Trust, Leverage and the Cycles of Collapse

    For investors and leaders who want to understand why financial systems break before they do.

    ⁠https://amzn.to/3YsRKfI⁠

    About the Podcast

    Invest in You is a global podcast where entrepreneur and investor Fredrik Sandvall shares practical ideas and conversations with founders, investors, and operators. Episodes focus on investing, entrepreneurship, and building long-term control and freedom.

    Occasionally joined by his sons Ivan and Charlie, the show offers both experience-based insight and a next-generation perspective.

    Listeners in 155+ countries tune in to think clearer, act smarter, and build with intent.

    Community & Contact

    Podcast community: https://bit.ly/4jxF94k

    Fredrik Sandvall

    LinkedIn: ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/sandvall/⁠

    Facebook: ⁠https://www.facebook.com/FredrikinLondon/⁠


    From the Crash of '08 to Creative Financing Mastery with Chris Prefontaine Feb 04, 2026
    Show notes

    In this episode, Fredrik sits down with real estate veteran and founder of Smart Real Estate Coach, Chris Prefontaine. With over 30 years of experience in the industry, Chris opens up about his rollercoaster journey, from building homes in the 90s to losing everything during the 2008 financial crisis because he was personally signed on loans. Chris shares how he dug himself out of the trenches by developing a creative financing methodology that requires no banks, no personal credit, and no personal guarantees.

    KEY TAKEAWAYS

    You do not need to hold the deed (and the associated debt) to profit from real estate. By using lease-purchase agreements or owner financing, you can control a property and reap the financial benefits without the risks of traditional ownership.

    One of the hardest lessons Chris learned from the 2008 crash was the danger of signing personally on bank loans. His current strategy focuses strictly on acquiring properties on terms, ensuring personal assets are never at risk if the market turns.

    Many people view entrepreneurship as risky, but Chris argues that relying on a single employer for your livelihood is the actual gamble. Building your own business or investment portfolio creates true security.

    A deal isn't dead once it's signed. Chris explains the concept of ‘wealth stacking’, where you can renegotiate terms (like extending a lease or converting it to a purchase) years down the line to significantly increase the profitability of a single deal.

    You don't have to be an expert to start. By leaning on a community or a mentor who is actively doing deals in the market (not just selling theory), you can leverage their credibility and experience to close deals you couldn't handle alone.

    BEST MOMENTS

    "I went to get back into real estate and I said, 'Okay, I have no money, I have no credit... I was starting from scratch.' The bullet points that came up were: No banks, no signing personally, no using my own cash."

    "I like control more than ownership. Ownership implies I have a deed, which implies I have debt. Control means I have a contract that allows me to profit."

    "You can say the wrong thing, you can throw up on the phone, and if they are motivated, they’re not going anywhere."

    "Investing in you is not debt, it's a super smart investment. Your job is the risk."

    "We don't just sell things to students; we actually do deals with them. When they hit the potholes and the speed bumps... we're there because we're revenue sharing with them."

    ABOUT THE GUEST

    Chris Prefontaine

    Free resource your book:

    3paydaysbooks.com/invest

    smartrealesatecoach.com

    Books by Fredrik Sandvall

    Options Strategy: Build to Keep. Ready to Sell Tomorrow.

    For founders and CEOs who want businesses that compound in value, stay under control, and are always sale-ready.

    ⁠https://amzn.to/4pwVhoi⁠

    The Abyss of Finance: Trust, Leverage and the Cycles of Collapse

    For investors and leaders who want to understand why financial systems break before they do.

    ⁠https://amzn.to/3YsRKfI⁠

    About the Podcast

    Invest in You is a global podcast where entrepreneur and investor Fredrik Sandvall shares practical ideas and conversations with founders, investors, and operators. Episodes focus on investing, entrepreneurship, and building long-term control and freedom.

    Occasionally joined by his sons Ivan and Charlie, the show offers both experience-based insight and a next-generation perspective.

    Listeners in 155+ countries tune in to think clearer, act smarter, and build with intent.

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    Moving from AI Pilots to Real Business Outcomes Feb 02, 2026
    Show notes

    Today, Fredrik sits down with Nathan Jones, an experienced consultant and the founder of Calon, to discuss the evolving landscape of AI and data in the business world. Nathan shares his journey from UK-based consulting to working with private equity-owned firms in Switzerland and beyond. They dive deep into the ‘messy middle’ of business data, where disparate systems often lead to conflicting versions of the truth. Nathan explains why 2026 will be the year companies move past experimental ‘AI pilots’ to focus on real, integrated business process transformations.

    KEY TAKEAWAYS

    One of the biggest hurdles in large organisations is that different departments (Sales, Finance, Ops) often define ‘revenue’ or ‘customer’ differently. Successful data projects are actually communication and change projects.

    The business world is shifting from ‘playing’ with AI to requiring tangible results. AI should not be a standalone project but a core component of business process transformation.

    Using AI to audit other AI outputs (like pitch decks or financial models) is becoming a crucial tool for due diligence, helping leaders spot inconsistencies that the human eye might miss.

    AI is positioned to become the next foundational tool for Finance, moving beyond simple spreadsheets to running complex decision-support models based on trusted data sets.

    For entrepreneurs, Nathan suggests starting with consulting to understand the actual problems clients face before attempting to build a specific software or AI product.

    BEST MOMENTS

    "2026 is when people move on from pilots to real results."

    "We talk about systems and data and analytics and AI, but actually, so much of it is: are we calling the same things the same things in different systems?"

    "It's a data project, but it’s actually a change project and a communications project."

    "Is AI becoming the new Excel? How can we use AI on top of trusted data sets to forecast or actually run proper decision models?"

    "Your multiples are going to be affected by how good you are in terms of using data, using AI, and making better decisions."

    ABOUT THE GUEST

    Nathan Jones

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/nathanjonesdata/

    calonanalytics.com

    nathan@calonanalytics.com

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    About the Podcast

    Invest in You is a global podcast where entrepreneur and investor Fredrik Sandvall shares practical ideas and conversations with founders, investors, and operators. Episodes focus on investing, entrepreneurship, and building long-term control and freedom.

    Occasionally joined by his sons Ivan and Charlie, the show offers both experience-based insight and a next-generation perspective.

    Listeners in 155+ countries tune in to think clearer, act smarter, and build with intent.

    Community & Contact

    Podcast community: https://bit.ly/4jxF94k

    Fredrik Sandvall

    LinkedIn: ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/sandvall/⁠

    Facebook: ⁠https://www.facebook.com/FredrikinLondon/⁠


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