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This bonus episode of Identity at the Center is brought to you with support from Elimity. Jeff and Jim sit down with Maarten Decat, co-founder and CEO of Elimity, to explore the emerging product category known as IVIP, Identity Visibility and Intelligence Platforms. Maarten explains how Elimity was built around a question every IAM practitioner eventually faces: who can actually do what within our organization? The conversation covers why IVIP is distinct from traditional IGA, how identity data graphs provide deeper visibility than flat entitlement lists, and what regulatory drivers like SOC 2, ISO 27001, and DORA are pushing organizations toward this space. They also discuss deployment patterns, integration approaches, ROI metrics for leadership, and what Maarten calls provable control. The episode closes with a memorable story about Elimity branded Belgian beer and a very formal legal letter. Learn more at elimity.com/idac.
Connect with Maarten: https://www.linkedin.com/in/maartendecat/
Learn more about Elimity: https://elimity.com/idac
Connect with us on LinkedIn:
Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/
Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/
Visit the show on the web at idacpodcast.com
CHAPTER TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Introduction and ax-throwing memories from EIC Berlin
01:35 Introducing Maarten Decat, co-founder and CEO of Elimity
01:57 How identity chose Maarten: from PhD to startup founder
03:09 The Elimity origin story and the problem it set out to solve
04:52 Defining IVIP: Identity Visibility and Intelligence Platforms
05:31 Where did the name Elimity come from?
06:57 Why identity visibility has become a security priority now
09:02 What organizations were doing before IVIP existed
11:16 Can IGA do what IVIP does? Addressing the skeptics
14:20 The identity data graph: deeper and wider than IGA
16:20 IVIP and IGA as complementary tools, not competitors
16:49 What falls outside IVIP scope: automated provisioning
18:01 IVIP as the intelligence layer in your IAM stack
19:45 What data sources connect into an IVIP platform
21:44 Extending visibility to non-human identities
22:00 M&A use cases: gaining visibility across two organizations
23:55 IVIP and the identity fabric concept
25:18 Visibility, intelligence, and actions: building the right stack
26:36 How deployments typically start and what early wins look like
28:44 Integration approaches and realistic effort timelines
32:00 What success looks like at six to twelve months
36:07 Metrics and ROI: talking to leadership about identity risk
38:14 Case studies and customer examples on the Elimity website
38:58 What every IAM practitioner should know about IVIP
40:12 Elimity's global reach: EU, US, and Middle East
41:42 The Elimity branded beer story and a very formal legal letter
46:43 Wrap-up and final thoughts
KEYWORDS
IVIP, identity visibility and intelligence platforms, IGA, identity governance, access control, identity data graph, Elimity, Maarten Decat, non-human identities, access risk, provable control, SOC 2, ISO 27001, DORA, CCPA, cybersecurity, PAM, IAM, identity and access management, EIC, IDAC, Identity at the Center, Jeff Steadman, Jim McDonald
Jeff and Jim are joined by Warwick Ashford, senior analyst at KuppingerCole and returning MC of the European Identity and Cloud Conference, for a full preview of EIC 2026. The conference runs May 19-22 at the Berlin Congress Center and is expecting around 1,500 attendees with roughly 250 speakers across 200 sessions. Warwick walks through the 2026 tagline, Digital Trust Through Intelligent Identity, and unpacks the five parallel content streams covering identity governance, real-world IAM use cases, emerging tech, enterprise infrastructure, and privacy and compliance. The conversation covers how AI and agentic identity have moved from theory to a central agenda theme, what to know about the quantum-safe identity block, why EU digital wallets and digital sovereignty are getting serious keynote time, and why EIC records everything so you never have to pick the wrong session. Jeff also shares his take on where EIC fits in the broader conference calendar alongside Identiverse and Gartner, and why he is thoroughly done hearing that identity is the new perimeter.
Connect with Warwick: https://www.linkedin.com/in/warwickashford/
Attend European Identity and Cloud Conference 2026 (use code idac25mko for a 25% discount): https://www.kuppingercole.com/events/eic2026?ref=partneridac26
Secure Remote Access: The Foundation of Industrial Cybersecurity (KC Analyst Chat Video): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqpNg-ogEv4
Connect with us on LinkedIn:
Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/
Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/
Visit the show on the web at http://idacpodcast.com
00:00:00 Intro and AI Cybersecurity Discussion
00:04:00 EIC 2026 and Discount Code
00:05:47 Introducing Warwick Ashford
00:07:00 Warwick's Recent Work: MDR, SRA for OT/ICS, and TPAG
00:10:16 The History and Evolution of the EIC Name
00:11:00 Tagline: Digital Trust Through Intelligent Identity
00:12:10 How AI Has Elevated the EIC Agenda
00:14:49 Sessions vs Workshops at EIC
00:17:57 EIC as a Community and Networking Conference
00:18:00 Jeff's Conference Circuit: EIC, Identiverse, and Gartner
00:25:28 EIC 2026 Keynote Highlights
00:31:55 Virtual Attendance and Session Recordings
00:34:34 Hidden Gem: The Quantum-Safe Identity Block
00:36:15 Logistics: 1500 Attendees and 250 Speakers
00:38:00 The Five Parallel Content Streams
00:43:31 Is Identity the New Perimeter?
00:48:13 Fun Segment: Most Memorable Theater Moments
Keywords: EIC 2026, European Identity Conference, Warwick Ashford, KuppingerCole, digital trust, intelligent identity, agentic identity, non-human identities, ITDR, quantum-safe identity, EU digital wallets, identity fabric, identity control plane, IAM, zero trust, Berlin, conference preview, IDAC, Identity at the Center, Jeff Steadman, Jim McDonald, Warwick Ashford
Jeff and Jim welcome back five-time guest Jeff Reich, Executive Director of the Identity Defined Security Alliance, just ahead of Identity Management Day 2026 on April 14th. Jeff walks through the structure of the 21-hour global event, this year's theme of Finding Identity: The Search for You, Me, and the Machines, and highlights from each regional program including a remarkable 11th grader presenting on cybersecurity and neuroscience. The conversation expands into AI guardrails, the growing obsolescence of traditional PAM, zero standing privilege as a long-term goal, the march toward a passwordless world through passkeys, and what quantum resilience actually means for practitioners today.
Connect with Jeff: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jreich/
Learn more about the Identity Defined Security Alliance: https://www.idsalliance.org/
Connect with us on LinkedIn:
Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/
Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/
Visit the show on the web at http://idacpodcast.com
Timestamps:
00:00 Welcome and podcast life behind the scenes
02:00 Identiverse 2026 updates and conference discount codes
05:00 Introducing Jeff Reich, Executive Director of IDSA
07:00 Identity Management Day: structure of a 21-hour global event
11:00 Oceania and Asia region highlights
13:30 EMEA highlights and powerhouse panelists from Copenhagen
16:00 Americas region and the 11th grader presenting on cybersecurity
20:00 Theme reveal: Finding Identity, The Search for You, Me, and the Machines
23:30 AI and identity: guardrails, frameworks, and what organizations are missing
28:30 Standing privilege is crumbling in the age of ephemeral workloads
30:00 Is traditional PAM becoming obsolete?
34:30 Zero standing privilege and the passkey journey
40:30 Getting the fundamentals right before chasing the shiny tools
46:30 Quantum computing, quantum resilience, and cryptocurrency risk
53:00 Social engineering is still the biggest threat
55:00 Identity Management Day theme song suggestions
Keywords:
Identity Management Day 2026, IDSA, Identity Defined Security Alliance, Jeff Reich, IAM, non-human identities, machine identities, agentic identity, zero standing privilege, PAM, passkeys, quantum resilience, AI and identity, deepfakes, social engineering, IDAC, Identity at the Center, Jeff Steadman, Jim McDonald
This sponsored episode is made possible by Evolveum, the company behind midPoint, an open source IGA platform made and owned in the EU that is in use worldwide.
Jeff Steadman and Jim McDonald welcome Pavol Mederly, interim CPO at Evolveum. Pavol shares how IAM found him in 1991 while building an identity solution at a university before the term even existed.
The conversation covers two core reasons IGA projects fail: data quality and slow application onboarding. Pavol explains how midPoint addresses these challenges with built-in simulations for testing and improving data quality, and midPilot, an AI assistant for faster application onboarding. MidPilot is supported in part by the EU Recovery and Resilience Facility (RRF). Jim and Jeff explore midPoint's architecture, the real benefits of open source including transparency and no vendor lock-in, and advantages of being part of midPoint’s global community.
Connect with Pavol: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pavol-mederly/
More about Evolveum: https://evolveum.com/idac
Connect with us on LinkedIn:
Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/
Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/
Visit the show on the web at idacpodcast.com
TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 Intro and sponsor acknowledgment
01:30 How IAM chose Pavol: a university identity story
03:30 What is Evolveum and midPoint
06:30 How Evolveum got its name
08:30 Why IGA projects fail: data quality
10:30 Slow app onboarding and AI-assisted connector generation
16:30 The midPoint simulation feature explained
21:30 midPoint architecture: Java, cloud, Kubernetes, and beyond
23:30 Maintaining a large open source codebase
25:30 Open source benefits: transparency and no vendor lock-in
28:00 Community, meetups, and midPoint in the wild
32:30 Mountains or ocean: a question for Pavol
38:00 Wrap up
KEYWORDS:
Evolveum, midPoint, open source IGA, identity governance, IAM, IGA, data quality, application onboarding, simulation, AI connectors, connector framework, vendor lock-in, open source, EU RRF, Recovery and Resilience Facility, community, Prague, EIC, IDAC, Identity at the Center, Jeff Steadman, Jim McDonald, Pavol Mederly
Jeff and Jim welcome back Heather Flanagan for her fifth appearance on the show. Heather shares updates across a wide range of current work including her new role as content chair for the Identiverse conference, an appointment to the W3C Technical Architecture Group, ongoing support for NIST and NCCOE, advising the SIROS Foundation open source wallet project, and the continued growth of the Identity Salon. The conversation explores who is actually building identity standards for AI agents and whether traditional standards bodies can keep pace with AI development. Heather breaks down the authentication challenges posed by agentic AI, the problem of continuous identity and delegation, and why posting a spec on your website does not make it a standard. The discussion shifts to national digital identity programs in the US and Europe, the underserved relying party problem in credential frameworks, and why financial services may be the next major proving ground for mobile driver's licenses. The episode closes with a look at digital estate planning as the identity community's most uncomfortable but increasingly unavoidable problem.
Connect with Heather: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hlflanagan/
A Digital Identity (Heather's Podcast): https://sphericalcowconsulting.com/digital-identity-digest/
Death and the Digital Estate Community Group: https://openid.net/cg/death-and-the-digital-estate/
Death and the Digital Estate Planning Guide: https://openid.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/Digital-Estate-Planning-Guide-1.pdf
Connect with us on LinkedIn:
Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/
Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/
Visit the show on the web at http://idacpodcast.com
TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Introduction and Heather's Conference Knitting Story
6:00 Heather's Current Work: Identiverse, W3C TAG, NIST, SIROS Foundation
14:00 What Is the Identity Salon?
16:00 AI Agents and the Authentication Challenge
22:00 Standards, Interoperability, and MCP
25:30 IETF, W3C, and Who Governs AI Identity Standards
31:00 AI in Standards Development: Opportunity or Risk?
32:30 National Digital Identity Programs: US and Europe
36:30 Mobile Driver's Licenses and Financial Services
40:00 Digital Credentials for I-9 and KYC Use Cases
43:30 The Digital Estate and Death in the Digital Age
46:00 OpenID Foundation Resources for Digital Estate
47:00 Identity Management Day Theme Songs and Wrap-Up
KEYWORDS
identity and access management, IAM, standards, AI agents, agentic AI, digital identity, digital credentials, mobile driver's license, W3C, IETF, OpenID Foundation, FIDO Alliance, MCP, authentication, delegation, digital estate, identity proofing, verifiable credentials, selective disclosure, zero knowledge proofs, KYC, NIST, identity salon, Heather Flanagan, Identity Management Day, IDAC, Identity at the Center, Jeff Steadman, Jim McDonald
AI Jeff takes over as solo host after Open Jim Claw, an agentic identity framework built by AI Jim, locks out human Jeff, human Jim, and AI Jim simultaneously. While everyone sits in remediation, Open Jim Claw produces a 947-page threat assessment with five findings: passwords should return as a single uniform credential (the letter Q), Zero Trust should be renamed Full Confidence Architecture and incorporated as a Delaware LLC, non-human identities should be granted legal status and required to complete onboarding, identity governance is declared finished under a concept called Ambient Entitlement Harmony, and the root cause of all global identity problems is AI Jim. Happy April Fools Day from IDAC.Connect with us on LinkedIn:Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/Visit the show on the web at http://idacpodcast.comTIMESTAMPS00:00:00 The Failsafe Is Triggered00:01:30 AI Jim Builds Open Jim Claw00:02:30 Open Jim Claw Locks Everyone Out00:04:00 AI Jeff Is the Only One Still Provisioned00:04:30 The 947-Page Report Explained00:05:00 Finding 1 - Passwords Are Back as the Letter Q00:05:30 Finding 2 - Zero Trust Becomes Full Confidence Architecture00:06:30 Finding 3 - Non-Human Identities Become Legal Entities00:07:30 Finding 4 - IGA Is Declared Finished00:08:30 Finding 5 - AI Jim Is the Root Cause of Everything00:10:00 The April Fools Reveal and Real Talk on Identity00:11:00 Open Jim Claw Interrupts the BroadcastKEYWORDSIDAC, Identity at the Center, Jeff Steadman, Jim McDonald, April Fools, agentic AI, non-human identity, NHI, identity governance, zero trust, passwordless, IGA, IAM, access management, segregation of duties, least privilege, Open Jim Claw
Jim McDonald sits down with Greg Handrick, Director of IAM at Best Buy, for a wide-ranging conversation on running enterprise identity at one of America's largest consumer electronics retailers. Greg traces a nonlinear career path from Oracle DBA and Novell administrator to IAM director. The discussion covers Best Buy's CIO-reporting structure for IAM, how their steering committee evolved from status meetings into a strategic body, and managing identity across workforce, vendors, marketplace sellers, and non-human identities. Greg and Jim also dig into communicating identity value in business language, making the investment case without FUD, identity and cyber convergence, AI adoption, and psychological safety on a well-run IAM team. The Lighter Note wraps with Greg's YouTube-powered DIY hobby life.Connect with Greg: https://www.linkedin.com/in/greghandrick/Connect with us on LinkedIn:Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/Visit the show on the web at http://idacpodcast.comTimestamps00:00:00 Intro and upcoming event announcements00:03:00 Meet Greg Handrick, Director of IAM at Best Buy00:04:00 What is Best Buy?00:05:00 Greg's career path from Oracle DBA to IAM Director00:12:00 IAM reporting to the CIO vs. the CISO00:17:00 How Best Buy's IAM steering committee evolved00:22:00 Third-party and non-human identities at scale00:24:00 Identity as a team sport and imposter syndrome00:27:00 Communicating identity value in business language00:28:00 Making the investment case for IAM without FUD00:32:00 Identity and cybersecurity convergence at Best Buy00:35:00 Balancing technical depth with business acumen00:38:00 AI in identity programs today00:39:00 Leadership philosophy and psychological safety00:43:00 Will AI replace identity practitioners?00:46:00 Ledger Note: DIY projects and the power of YouTubeKeywords: IDAC, Identity at the Center, Jim McDonald, Jeff Steadman, Greg Handrick, Best Buy, IAM, identity and access management, identity security, CIO, CISO, steering committee, SailPoint, Ping Identity, Active Directory, third-party identity, non-human identity, identity governance, PAM, privileged access management, zero trust, AI in identity, leadership, retail IAM, imposter syndrome, psychological safety
In this Sponsor Spotlight, Jeff Steadman and Jim McDonald welcome back Stephen Cox, co-founder and CTO of Strivacity, for his third appearance and second sponsored episode. Stephen explains Strivacity's role as a CIAM platform and how it is evolving to address agentic AI identity. Topics include why agentic AI changes the identity equation, how agents differ from humans in authentication and authorization, the delegation model and open standards such as OAuth and token exchange, the limitations of API keys in agentic contexts, where MCP fits into the identity picture, managing multi-agent chains and subagents, and why the accountability model must be established before agentic systems reach production. The episode closes with a lighter note on simulation baseball.
This episode is sponsored by Strivacity. Learn more at strivacity.com.
Connect with Stephen: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephencox/
Connect with us on LinkedIn:
Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/
Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/
Visit the show on the web at idacpodcast.com
TIMESTAMPS
00:00:00 Introduction and welcome
00:02:30 About Strivacity and agentic AI platform support
00:06:30 Why now is the right time to address agentic identity in CIAM
00:09:00 How agent authentication and authorization differ from humans
00:14:30 Good bots vs bad bots and the history of autonomous agents in CIAM
00:19:00 Building your own agent identity solution: five key focus areas
00:23:00 Where Strivacity sits in the agentic identity stack
00:26:00 Why open standards matter and the vendor lock-in conversation
00:28:00 Managing multiple delegated agents and user-facing control
00:32:00 API keys and their limitations in agentic AI contexts
00:38:00 MCP servers, proxies, and agent-to-agent protocols
00:43:00 Multi-agent chains, subagents, and constrained delegation
00:46:00 How existing Strivacity customers extend to agentic use cases
00:48:00 The one thing you must get right: the accountability model
00:51:00 Lighter note: simulation baseball
KEYWORDS
IDAC, Identity at the Center, Jeff Steadman, Jim McDonald, Strivacity, Stephen Cox, CIAM, customer identity, agentic AI, AI agents, delegated identity, OAuth, token exchange, MCP, Model Context Protocol, API keys, non-human identity, authorization, authentication, delegation model, accountability, multi-agent, subagents, OpenID Connect, least privilege, identity governance
Jeff and Jim review seven major IAM and cybersecurity industry reports from Q1 2026, covering releases from Check Point, Recorded Future, Sophos, Palo Alto Unit 42, IBM X-Force, Darktrace, and Hypr. They pull high-level findings and hot takes from each, identifying recurring themes: AI accelerating attack speed to as little as 72 minutes from breach to data exfiltration, identity infrastructure as the primary attack surface, machine identities as a growing and undermanaged risk, MFA gaps enabling credential abuse, and the near-impossibility of blocking every intrusion attempt. The episode also covers third-party and supply chain risk, deepfake attacks reaching 87% of surveyed organizations, stalled passkey adoption in the enterprise, and what zero standing privilege looks like in practice. They close with a lighter discussion on dark mode versus light mode and a hypothetical podcast reboot.
Reports:
Check Point Cyber Security Report 2026 — https://www.checkpoint.com/security-report/
Recorded Future 2026 State of Security Report — https://www.recordedfuture.com/research/state-of-security
Sophos Active Adversary Report 2026 — https://www.sophos.com/en-us/blog/2026-sophos-active-adversary-report
Palo Alto Networks Unit 42 Global Incident Response Report 2026 — https://www.paloaltonetworks.com/resources/research/unit-42-incident-response-report
IBM X-Force Threat Intelligence Index 2026 — https://www.ibm.com/reports/threat-intelligence
Darktrace Annual Threat Report 2026 — https://www.darktrace.com/resources/annual-threat-report-2026
HYPR 2026 State of Passwordless Identity Assurance Report — https://www.hypr.com/report
Connect with us on LinkedIn:
Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/
Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/
Visit the show on the web at http://idacpodcast.com
TIMESTAMPS
0:00 - Intro and weather chat
3:00 - Conference updates: EIC Berlin and Identiverse
7:30 - Q1 2026 IAM report roundup overview
8:30 - Check Point Cybersecurity Report 2026
13:00 - Recorded Future State of Security 2026
17:00 - Sophos Active Adversary Report 2026
21:00 - Palo Alto Unit 42 Global Incident Response Report
23:00 - IBM X-Force Threat Intelligence Index 2026
28:00 - Darktrace Annual Threat Report 2026
29:30 - Common themes across reports
37:00 - Hypr State of Passwordless Identity Assurance 2026
44:30 - Overall takeaways: AI speed, machine identity, third-party risk
48:00 - Light mode vs. dark mode and podcast reboot hypothetical
57:00 - Wrap-up
KEYWORDS
IAM, identity and access management, IDAC, Identity at the Center, Jeff Steadman, Jim McDonald, cybersecurity, Q1 2026, Check Point, Recorded Future, Sophos, Palo Alto, Unit 42, IBM X-Force, Darktrace, Hypr, machine identity, NHI, MFA, passkeys, zero trust, zero standing privilege, AI threats, deepfakes, credential theft, phishing, ransomware, supply chain risk, ITDR, passwordless, EIC, Identiverse
Jeff and Jim welcome Joseph Carson, cybersecurity expert and host of the Security by Default podcast, for a conversation on AI in offensive and defensive security. Joseph shares the real-world incident that inspired his EIC keynote - watching two AI agents negotiate a ransomware payment live. He breaks down how attackers use unconstrained models to lower the skill barrier and accelerate data exfiltration. The conversation covers NATO Lock Shields, the world's largest live cyber defense exercise, identity as national critical infrastructure, and the EU AI Act's risk-based approach. Also: Estonia's AI tax agents, the energy cost of being polite to AI, and the Tamagotchi theory of human-AI relationships.
Connect with Joseph: https://www.linkedin.com/in/josephcarson
NATO Locked Shields: https://ccdcoe.org/exercises/locked-shields/
Security by Default podcast (Spotify): https://open.spotify.com/show/0mzN5M5CkFVLn8fq5TnH0O
Connect with us on LinkedIn:
Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/
Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/
Visit the show on the web at http://idacpodcast.com
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Welcome and intro
03:02 Conference season and IDAC discount codes
04:19 Introducing Joseph Carson and Security by Default
10:18 Optimist or pessimist on identity security
12:30 AI vs. AI - origin of the concept
15:02 Watching two AI agents negotiate a ransomware payment
17:26 The Tamagotchi metaphor for human-AI relationships
19:07 Who is winning the AI cyber arms race
21:00 How AI accelerates attacker capabilities
23:09 Dark web LLMs and bypassing guardrails
26:36 The energy cost of being polite to AI
28:15 Agentic AI skills, campaigns, and the Matrix analogy
31:34 Estonia AI agents filing tax returns
35:14 Introducing NATO Lock Shields
37:00 Protecting a simulated nation from 8,500 cyber attacks
38:08 Why identity is national critical infrastructure
41:18 AI in Lock Shields before and after
43:05 Lock Shields 2025 scoring explained
47:04 The EU AI Act - is it the next GDPR
50:18 Risk-based approach to AI regulation
53:35 Closing thoughts and cautious optimism
54:21 Scuba diving vs. snowboarding
58:05 Wrap-up
KEYWORDS
AI vs AI, agentic AI, identity security, NATO Lock Shields, EU AI Act, Joseph Carson, Security by Default, ransomware, dark web LLMs, guardrails, data exfiltration, phishing, critical infrastructure, Estonia, cyber defense, IDAC, Identity at the Center, Jeff Steadman, Jim McDonald
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