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Jeff and Jim are joined by Heather Flanagan, Content Chair, and Andi Hindle, Conference Chair, for a full preview of Identiverse 2026 at Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas. They cover the 2026 theme of trust and change, why AI was removed as a standalone track and redistributed across all content areas, the provocative argument that non-human access now dramatically outpaces human access and is reshaping identity system design, whether authentication is truly solved, authorization as the harder unsolved problem, CFP surprises, networking events including Women at Identiverse, and predictions for 2027. Save 30% with code IDV26-IDAC30%. New IDPro members save $25 at idpro.org/idac.
Connect with Heather: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hlflanagan/
Connect with Andi: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ahindle/
Identiverse 2026: https://events.identiverse.com/2026/begin?code=IDV26-IDAC30%25
Heather's IAM Conference List: https://github.com/fedidcg/meetings/wiki/2026-List-of-Identity-and-Related-Conferences-and-Standards-Development-Events
Connect with us on LinkedIn:
Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/
Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/
Visit the show on the web at http://idacpodcast.com
TIMESTAMPS
00:00:00 Introduction and SolarWinds breach banter
00:03:27 Identiverse preview and discount codes
00:06:10 Guest introductions
00:06:52 Role of Content Chair
00:08:46 Role of Conference Chair
00:11:16 2026 conference theme
00:15:00 AI as context, not a standalone track
00:16:32 Control plane vs enablement plane debate
00:22:19 What the industry is underestimating
00:24:00 Non-human access outpaces human access
00:26:52 Is authentication solved? Passkeys
00:30:31 Authorization: far from solved
00:36:04 Extensibility in standards and deployments
00:38:22 CFP surprises: fraud and identity proofing
00:41:48 Usability and UX gaps
00:43:18 Agentic AI: identity or governance?
00:47:55 Networking and newcomer programming
00:51:45 Women at Identiverse
00:52:46 AI-generated CFP submissions
00:55:00 Predictions for Identiverse 2027
00:58:04 Theme songs for Identiverse 2026
01:02:58 Heather's identity conference list on GitHub
01:04:47 Swag culture at identity conferences
01:12:25 Wrap-up
KEYWORDS
Identiverse 2026, Heather Flanagan, Andi Hindle, identity conference, NHI, non-human identity, agentic AI, passkeys, authentication, authorization, IAM, IDAC, Identity at the Center, Jeff Steadman, Jim McDonald, digital identity, continuous identity architecture, zero standing privilege, verifiable credentials, identity governance
This episode and the Identity at the Center podcast is supported by CrowdStrike. Learn more at crowdstrike.com.
Jeff Steadman and Jim McDonald sit down with Scott Kriz, GM of Continuous Identity at CrowdStrike, for a deep dive into continuous identity, zero standing access, and the convergence of identity and security. Scott traces his path from co-founding Bitium, to selling it to Google Cloud, to building SGNL and ultimately joining CrowdStrike. The conversation covers how continuous identity works in practice, why traditional PAM and IGA fall short in a real-time world, and what the rise of agentic AI means for identity governance at scale.
Connect with Scott: https://www.linkedin.com/in/scottkriz/
Learn more about Crowdstrike: https://www.crowdstrike.com/en-us/platform/next-gen-identity-security/caep/?idac
Connect with us on LinkedIn:
Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/
Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/
Visit the show on the web at http://idacpodcast.com
00:00:00 Introduction and welcome
00:01:21 How Scott got into identity and co-founded Bitium
00:03:55 Selling to Google Cloud and the inspiration for SGNL
00:05:02 Continuous identity and zero standing access explained
00:09:13 Defining continuous identity at CrowdStrike
00:10:20 How continuous identity differs from PAM and IGA
00:15:06 Data as the foundation for continuous identity
00:19:29 Open ecosystems, Shared Signals Framework, and CAEP
00:25:26 Agents, identity chaining, SPIFFE, SPIRE, and MCP gateways
00:33:02 Identity inside CrowdStrike's broader security strategy
00:37:27 Identity security budgets and ROI-driven purchasing
00:40:04 Agentic scale and the need for automated identity controls
00:43:39 The SGNL acquisition: what it means for both companies
00:50:25 Zero trust as a real architectural framework
00:54:00 Helicopter skiing, avalanches, and staying present
Keywords: IDAC, Identity at the Center, Jeff Steadman, Jim McDonald, Scott Kriz, CrowdStrike, SGNL, continuous identity, zero standing access, PAM, IGA, zero trust, agentic AI, non-human identity, NHI, SPIFFE, SPIRE, MCP, identity security, real-time authorization, cybersecurity
Jeff and Jim recap their week at KuppingerCole's EIC 2026 in Berlin, covering standout keynotes, hallway conversations, and sessions on securing AI agents, CIAM, and AI versus nuclear regulation. They announce a giveaway of Eve Maler's signed copy of Mastering Digital Identity for YouTube commenters by June 12th. The episode also features live footage and a full interview with Espen Bago, founder of IdentiBeer, recorded at the Berlin event. Jeff, Jim, and Espen discuss the rapid global growth of the IdentiBeer community, terminology challenges around NHI and IAM concepts, the gap between conference talk and real client needs, and why the industry keeps bypassing foundational data work in the rush toward AI and agentic identity.
Connect with us on LinkedIn:
Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/
Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/
Visit the show on the web at http://idacpodcast.com
00:00:10 Welcome and EIC 2026 Setup
00:03:57 Eve Maler Book Giveaway Details
00:05:00 Conference Highlights: Keynotes and Hallway Con
00:06:07 Elizabeth Garber's Standing Ovation Keynote
00:07:02 Brazil Invitation and Securing AI Agents
00:09:10 Nuclear Regulation vs. AI Regulation
00:11:07 Upcoming EIC Episode Preview
00:14:16 IdentiBeer Berlin Live Event
00:14:29 Interview with Espen Bago Begins
00:15:14 IdentiBeer Growth and Global Expansion
00:17:23 The IdentiBeer Name Debate
00:23:26 Data Quality Gaps in NHI and IAM
00:26:31 Who Owns IAM Terminology?
00:34:20 Conference Talk vs. Client Reality
00:40:52 The HR-IAM Gap Nobody Talks About
00:43:17 Fundamentals: The Karate Kid Analogy
Keywords: EIC 2026, European Identity Conference, IdentiBeer, Espen Bago, Eve Maler, Elizabeth Garber, Mastering Digital Identity, Berlin, Identiverse, NHI, non-human identities, IAM fundamentals, AI regulation, agentic identity, IGA, PAM, CIAM, IDPro, identity community, IDAC, Identity at the Center, Jeff Steadman, Jim McDonald
Jeff and Jim are back with the May 2026 mailbag, answering listener questions from Amsterdam, Mumbai, Austin, and Berlin. Topics include navigating IAM vendor acquisitions, defending against AI deepfakes in remote onboarding, governing contractor and third-party identities, fixing the leaver process in IGA, and tackling a decade of IAM technical debt. The episode closes with unpopular industry opinions: why RFPs are procurement theater, why rip and replace should be normalized, and why one-throat-to-choke vendor thinking usually backfires.
IDPro new member discount: https://idpro.org/idac/
Connect with us on LinkedIn:
Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/
Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/
Visit the show on the web at http://idacpodcast.com
CHAPTER TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Intro and SNL nostalgia
03:25 AI model roundup: ChatGPT, Claude, Gemini, and usage limits
10:16 Identiverse 2026 and IDPro member discount
14:53 Q1: Navigating vendor acquisitions (Isabelle, Amsterdam)
24:00 Q2: AI deepfakes in identity verification (Rajan, Mumbai)
32:32 Q3: Contractor and third-party identity governance (Caleb, Austin)
43:00 Q4: The leaver process and IGA scope gaps (Anonymous)
51:10 Q5: Tackling IAM technical debt (Tomas, Berlin)
57:00 Normalizing rip and replace
01:01:00 RFPs, one throat to choke, and other hot takes
01:08:00 Wrap-up
KEYWORDS
IAM, identity governance, IGA, vendor consolidation, acquisitions, deepfakes, identity verification, contractor management, non-employee identity, technical debt, rip and replace, RFP, joiner mover leaver, leaver process, Identiverse 2026, IDPro, IDAC, Identity at the Center, Jeff Steadman, Jim McDonald
Jeff and Jim welcome back Robert Snodgrass, Principal at RSM, for a deep dive into the RSM Middle Market Business Index cybersecurity report. The conversation covers the confidence gap facing middle market organizations, why digital identity remains undervalued despite being the primary attack surface, non-human identity governance, flat cybersecurity budgets, risk framework adoption, and what good incident response preparedness actually looks like. The episode wraps with a spirited Bitcoin Pizza Day toppings debate.
Connect with Robert: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robert-snodgrass-7a199412/
Review the RSM US Middle Market Business Index Special Report on Cybersecurity 2026: https://rsmus.com/middle-market/cybersecurity-mmbi.html?cmpid=ola:45559-idac:bb01
IDPro new member discount: https://idpro.org/idac/
Connect with us on LinkedIn:
Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/
Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/
Visit the show on the web at http://idacpodcast.com
TIMESTAMPS
00:00:00 Introduction and Scatter Spider social engineering discussion
00:04:00 IDPro discount code and upcoming conferences
00:06:26 Guest intro: Robert Snodgrass and the MMBI report
00:09:05 Defining the modern middle market
00:12:00 The confidence gap: 96% confident, 18% breached
00:15:04 Why attackers log in and top identity investment priorities
00:19:00 Why only 23% of leaders prioritize digital identity
00:22:00 Internal partnerships as the path to identity program success
00:25:10 AI, shadow AI, and non-human identity risks
00:31:00 NHI governance at scale: 45 to 1 ratio
00:34:50 Cybersecurity budget realities in the middle market
00:39:00 EU regulation and top-line cybersecurity drivers
00:42:03 NIST CSF adoption and risk framework value
00:46:00 Incident response planning: the two-minute drill
00:52:16 Bitcoin Pizza Day and closing thoughts
KEYWORDS
identity security, middle market, cybersecurity, MMBI, RSM, Robert Snodgrass, phishing-resistant MFA, non-human identities, NHI, shadow AI, incident response, NIST CSF, IAM, identity governance, ransomware, tabletop exercises, digital identity, cybersecurity budget, identity program, IDAC, Identity at the Center, Jeff Steadman, Jim McDonald
Episode 422 is the debut of Decoded by Identity at the Center, a new sub-series hosted by Jeff Steadman and Sean O'Dell dedicated to unpacking the specifications and standards powering IAM. Joining them is Pieter Kasselman, VP of Open Standards at Defakto and chair of the WIMSE working group. The conversation covers why traditional non-human identity approaches break at agentic scale, how SPIFFE and SPIRE enable short-lived automated credential provisioning without long-lived secrets, and why treating agents as workloads unlocks a decade of existing standards. Pieter walks through critical OAuth specs including JWT authorization grant, token exchange, client ID metadata, and the emerging transaction tokens draft. Sean connects these to practical gateway architecture, continuous access evaluation, and policy-based authorization. The episode closes with real-world deployment examples and a clear takeaway: the tools to secure agentic identity are available today.
Episode Links:Pieter Kasselman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pieter-kasselman-0259862/AI Agent Authentication and Authorization: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-klrc-aiagent-auth/Workload Identity in Multi-system environments (WIMSE): https://ietf-wg-wimse.github.io/OAuth SPIFFE Client Authentication: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-oauth-spiffe-client-auth/Transaction Tokens: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-oauth-transaction-tokens/08/Agentic Identity Control Framework. You Already Have the Pieces. Now Build It. by Sean O'Dell: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/agentic-identity-control-framework-you-already-have-pieces-o-dell-61b5e/
Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction to Decoded by Identity at the Center
00:13 The mission of the Decoded sub-series
03:02 Guest intro: Pieter Kasselman, VP of Open Standards at Defakto
06:21 Why agentic identity is urgent: scale, multi-platform, and shifting threat landscape
10:42 The real cost of API keys and credential sprawl in agentic systems
13:23 Agentic identity identifiers and how SPIFFE assigns unique workload IDs
21:00 Credential types: X.509, JWTs, and workload identity tokens
31:00 Connecting SPIFFE to OAuth and dynamic registration with client ID metadata
38:18 SPIFFE SVIDs, multiple credentials per agent, and governance traceability
41:44 Authentication versus authorization: delegation versus impersonation
47:00 Transaction tokens: binding access to specific transactions to stop token theft
51:21 Identity chaining and cross-domain authorization
55:00 Shared Signals Framework and dynamic authorization
57:00 Gateways, CAEP, and mid-flight token revocation for rogue agents
59:31 What you can deploy today with SPIFFE, OAuth, and existing IDPs
01:02:58 Policy-based access control and why instance-level governance cannot scale
01:04:58 Workload identity federation: Anthropic and Google Agent ID updates
01:07:13 Cross-platform federation and the law of agentic utility
01:11:55 Elevator pitch: agents are workloads and 95% of the problem is solved now
01:17:03 What is coming next: a transaction tokens deep dive
Keywords:
agentic identity, SPIFFE, SPIRE, OAuth, transaction tokens, Shared Signals Framework, WIMSE, workload identity, non-human identity, authorization delegation, JWT, CAEP, API gateway, IAM standards, AIMS, Jeff Steadman, Sean O'Dell, Pieter Kasselman, IDAC, Identity at the Center, Jim McDonald, Decoded by Identity at the Center
Decoded by Identity at the Center:
Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/
Sean O'Dell: https://www.linkedin.com/in/seanodentity/
Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/
Visit the show on the web at https://idacdecoded.com/
Jeff and Jim welcome back Henrique Teixeira, SVP of Strategy at Saviynt, for his fourth appearance on the podcast. The episode opens with Jim's firsthand experience building an AI agent for a work project and discovering in real time how identity management challenges surface in the agentic era. After conference updates on EIC in Berlin and Identiverse in Las Vegas, Henrique unpacks the crowded terminology around AI agent governance, from Gartner's agent management platforms to UADP, the Unified Agentic Defense Platform. He proposes a three-pillar framework for managing AI and non-human identities: discovery, identity lifecycle and governance, and runtime access management, with guidance on where to start depending on whether your organization is greenfield or legacy-heavy. The conversation then examines how AI is reshaping the analyst business model, what makes information sources trustworthy, and how proprietary inquiry data forms the real competitive moat for firms like Gartner and Forrester. The episode closes with a wide-ranging discussion on AI's risk to shared cultural experiences, hyper-personalized entertainment, and the ethics of licensing your digital identity in the afterlife.
Connect with Henrique: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bernardes/
Connect with us on LinkedIn:
Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/
Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/
Visit the show on the web at http://idacpodcast.com
00:00:00 Intro
00:00:55 Jim's AI Agent Experiment and Identity Lessons
00:06:04 Conference News: EIC and Identiverse
00:07:22 Identity Beer Community Events
00:08:40 Introducing Henrique Teixeira
00:12:00 AI Control Plane: Competing Terminologies
00:17:36 Three Pillars of AI Agent Identity Management
00:18:46 Why Visibility Matters More for NHI
00:20:00 Ownership, Accountability, and Humans at the Control Plane
00:24:26 Industry Maturity and the Gaps That Remain
00:25:41 Where to Start: Governance-First vs. Visibility-First
00:29:52 AI's Impact on the Analyst Profession
00:34:57 What Analyst Firms Have That AI Cannot Replace
00:39:04 Trust, Boutique Analysts, and Repeatability
00:44:34 Proprietary AI Chatbots and Gated Intelligence
00:49:30 IP Rights and the Legal Gray Zone of AI Training
00:52:14 AI and the Erosion of Shared Cultural Experience
00:58:00 AI Music, Personalized Entertainment, and the Future of Art
01:03:47 Digital Afterlife, Voice Clones, and AI Personas
01:08:18 Wrap-Up and Closing
Keywords: IDAC, Identity at the Center, Jeff Steadman, Jim McDonald, Henrique Teixeira, Saviynt, AI identity control plane, non-human identities, NHI, agentic AI, AI agents, AI governance, identity lifecycle, access management, discovery, agent management platform, UADP, IAM, Gartner, analyst firms, AI and culture, digital identity, identity security, EIC, Identiverse, identity beer
This episode is made possible by GitGuardian. Jeff speaks with Dwayne McDaniel, Principal Developer Advocate at GitGuardian, about secrets sprawl, non-human identity governance, and the findings of the State of Secret Sprawl 2026 report. With 28.6 million secrets leaked to public GitHub in 2025 - a 34% year-over-year increase - they explore why hardcoded credentials persist, how agentic AI tools are making the problem worse, and what IAM practitioners can do to start addressing machine identity governance. Topics include GitGuardian's Good Samaritan notification program, the growing NHI inventory challenge, SPIFFE and SPIRE as a path to zero standing privilege, and data showing Claude Code co-authored commits are more than twice as likely to contain leaked secrets. Visit gitguardian.com/lps/idac to learn more.
Connect with Dwayne: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dwaynemcdaniel/
Dwayne's website: https://dwayne-mcdaniel.com/
Learn more about GitGuardian: https://www.gitguardian.com/lps/idac
GitGuardian Good Samaritan Program (free) - https://www.gitguardian.com/good-samaritan
The State of Secrets Sprawl 2026: https://www.gitguardian.com/state-of-secrets-sprawl-report-2026
SPIFFE Book: https://spiffe.io/book/
Connect with us on LinkedIn:
Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/
Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/
Visit the show on the web at http://idacpodcast.com
TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 Introduction and sponsor welcome
00:48 Dwayne's background and path to developer advocacy
04:11 Surprises from entering the identity and security space
06:29 What a principal developer advocate actually does
09:32 Why secrets became Dwayne's focus area
14:10 GitGuardian: overview and mission
19:36 Where secrets commonly leak across the SDLC
22:17 The Good Samaritan notification program explained
28:00 Why 70% of leaked secrets from 2022 were still valid in 2025
33:54 State of Secret Sprawl 2026: the year software changed
40:39 AI coding tools, Claude Code, and secrets leakage data
47:28 Practical questions for IAM practitioners to start asking
52:24 Zero standing privilege and the case for SPIFFE/SPIRE
01:00:00 Resources: the SPIFFE book, WIMSE, and AWS STS
01:02:51 Hot sauce, the Cubs, and closing thoughts
KEYWORDS:
secrets sprawl, hardcoded secrets, non-human identity, NHI governance, GitGuardian, SPIFFE, SPIRE, workload identity, DevSecOps, agentic AI, Claude Code, zero standing privilege, supply chain security, credential abuse, identity and access management, IAM, IDAC, Identity at the Center, Jeff Steadman, Jim McDonald, Dwayne McDaniel
Recorded live as part of the Identity Management Day 2026 streaming program, Jeff and Jim mark their fifth IMD episode. Introduced by Jeff Reich from the Identity Defined Security Alliance, they reflect on how the IAM industry has evolved since their first IMD episode in 2021 and grade overall progress a C. Topics include what has genuinely improved (passkeys, MFA adoption, broader awareness), what hasn't (compliance fatigue, security theater, persistent credential theft), the exploding challenge of non-human identity governance, whether AI will eventually need to certify other AI, and how AI-powered phishing and deep fakes are raising the bar for identity verification. The episode wraps with chat-submitted IAM bumper stickers.
Identity Management Day 2026: https://www.idsalliance.org/event/identity-management-day-2026/
Connect with us on LinkedIn:
Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/
Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/
Visit the show on the web at http://idacpodcast.com
CHAPTERS
0:00 - Jeff Reich intro from the IMD stream
2:00 - Identity Management Day 2026 kicks off
3:30 - Five years of IMD: a look back at episode 88
7:00 - Does IMD move the needle?
9:30 - Who is Identity Management Day actually for?
12:00 - What has improved in IAM over five years
16:00 - What hasn't improved: compliance fatigue and security theater
18:30 - Grading the IAM industry
21:00 - NHI governance: visibility and accountability
26:00 - Can AI certify AI? Agentic identity governance
29:00 - AI-powered phishing and the evolving threat landscape
32:00 - Deep fakes and the identity verification challenge
36:00 - Lighter note: IAM bumper stickers
KEYWORDS
identity management day, identity management day 2026, NHI, non-human identity, agentic AI, phishing, deep fakes, IGA, passkeys, MFA, IAM, identity governance, access management, cybersecurity, credential theft, security awareness, IDAC, Identity at the Center, Jeff Steadman, Jim McDonald
What does it mean to build an identity system that is ethical? Jim McDonald and Jeff Steadman are joined by Elizabeth Garber, Executive Director of IDPro and marketing lead for the OpenID Foundation, for a conversation spanning ethics in digital identity, the tension between privacy and safety, biometric exclusion risks, and how practitioners can use structured frameworks to navigate these discussions productively. Elizabeth shares her three-part career journey, the latest from the IDPro community, and previews her upcoming keynotes at EIC Berlin and Identiverse Las Vegas.
Connect with Elizabeth: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elizabethgarber
IDPro Discount - New members get $25 off their first year of membership: https://idpro.org/idac/
Ethics and Digital Identity by Henk Marsman: https://bok.idpro.org/article/id/104/
Ethics for Digital Identity and Identity-Driven Algorithms by Mike Kiser: https://bok.idpro.org/article/id/105/
Human Centric Digital Identity white paper: https://openid.net/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/Human-Centric_Digital_Identity_Final-v1.1.pdf
Connect with us on LinkedIn:
Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/
Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/
Visit the show on the web at http://idacpodcast.com
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro and Jim's allergy research
03:42 Conference announcements: EIC and Identiverse
06:00 Welcome Elizabeth Garber
07:04 Elizabeth's three-part origin story
11:55 IDPro mission and the identity community
18:13 Membership, CIDPRO certification, and the Body of Knowledge
21:17 IDPro Slack community
23:40 IdentiBeer and local meetups
26:26 IDPro listener discount at idpro.org/idac
29:00 Operationalizing ideas in IAM
32:19 Ethics in the IDPro Body of Knowledge
33:30 Defining ethics in technology
34:19 The trolley problem and moral consistency
37:10 Big tech, privacy, and law enforcement
39:28 Where practitioners start with ethics
43:30 Biometric exclusion and the Uganda story
49:00 Privacy vs. safety: a false choice?
53:48 The case for consistent ethical frameworks
57:53 Elizabeth's EIC and Identiverse talks
59:49 Improv comedy and expensive hobbies
1:07:25 Wrap-up
Keywords: ethical IAM, digital identity ethics, IDPro, identity and access management, privacy, safety, biometrics, exclusion, Elizabeth Garber, GAIN Digital Trust, OpenID Foundation, Body of Knowledge, Ethical Canvas, zero knowledge proofs, passkeys, IDAC, Identity at the Center, Jeff Steadman, Jim McDonald, EIC Berlin, Identiverse
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